Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle
ok try this.

if it only crashes in mutiplayer like mine, make a server with human slots only, then play on it. can you make it crash with just you running around with no bots ?confused: i can't make it crash when its just me.

this makes me think that it must have something to do with the bots models respawning on death option or something, even though it'll freeze whether this is on or off.:jawa :




well i tried this and for me my computer froze even with just me in there. i tried even having no slots availble just one and it still froze.:mad:

ok i think the problem is within the cd because i installed the game in a brand new system and it still froze. it also got to the point where i can only play for a few minutes

// bump //

this sucks

does anyone that has the new patch still experience freezing?

new patch? where can i get it and how big (Mb) is it ?

the new patch can be found on the home page of jediknigthii.com as for the file size not too sure what it is but on the website it should give you almost all the needed info.

I may have a clue whats the cause of MP freezes and sound loops. when I run dxdiag, it tells me in the network tab that some registry component for directplay is missing or damaged for JK2. I reinstalled the game 2 times but it didnt change.
anyone else have this?

I used to get same thing on my old geforce 2 switched to new drivers tah dah.

ok with new 1.04 and new drivers game still freezes :( still cant figure out why this happens!

Ok, I know this post is a little old, but I assume you guys are still having problems. I've been having these probs myself, so after much experimentation and dog-kicking, here's my solution. First: system specs:

Gateway (diediediedie)
Intel P4 1.4
Visiontek Geforce 3
512 mb Ram
SOundblaster Live Value

What I did in order.
1. Went into sound in control panel, audio, advanced, properties, turn the tab all the wasy down to emulation
2. unistalled Jedi Knight
3. install NVidia Drivers 29.42
4. Reinstalled DirectX 8.1
5. Restarted
6. Installed game
7. Patched game to 1.04
8. Held breath
9. Screamed with delight


Hope this helps some of you, I've been playing for an hour without a freeze, post your response.

This bug is never gonna get fixed. The game still freezes and crashes for me all the time that I almost dont wanna play this game anymore :(

Demolisher, never give up! It took me weeks to figure it out. No two systems are exactly the same, just keep playing around with different settings, it worked for me.

OK, add me to the freezing list as well. Surely LucasArts isn't expecting every game player to be a computer specialist. Most of my readers (I'm a journalist) certainly aren't. I've had my bit of uninstalling, reinstalling, ugrading etc. So where's the patch, Lucas?

Freezers,

I'm still freezing and I don't know if it will help but this updated version of DirectX may be our solution. I'm betting it's not but you never know. Anybody who can, please test this and remember...install your video drivers and then DirectX8.1b.

Sincerely,

JediKnightII Junkee/ JediKnightIIFreezehater

Athlon 1 ghz
Geforce 2 mx 200
192mo sdram
Win ME
never freezed :-)

I had the freezing problem for ages untill I disabled the GLextensions and then it worked fine.
Only now the problems worse. Mobile Forces and F12002 demo are crashing in the same way. Is there any way to solve this. I'm really lost this time...

Well first, let me drop one BIG :mad: F-bomb. The new DirectX drivers didn't work and I'm officially over the limit on frustration. I still think that it's coming back to a heating problem. If anybody's wondering my specs are:

Athlon 1.4 G Thunderbird
Abit KT-7 Raid Motherboard
256 PC133 Ram
Plenty of Fans.
VIA KT-133 Chipset
Windows 2000 Professional
Connection: DSL
PNY GeForce3 64MB Video Card

Did I leave anything out??????? I've honestly tried everything so if anybody can help drop me a note at rio1morales@hotmail.com

Thanks and happy gaming, (F***ing Freezeups)

Rio

The thing about Jedi Knight II is it worked for me until I got to like Chapter 18. Now I suffer from the freeze problem too (XP, Asus A7A266, Athlon XP 1800, Creative Geforce2 Pro).

The freezes all started for me AFTER I installed Warcraft III, which incidently sufferes from the same problem.

I'm certain this is not a heating issue, because a) the game crashes too quickly (< 5 mins), b) I have played the game for hours without it crashing, and I can play UT for hours WITHOUT any problems.

I'm pretty certain its a DirectX/Open GL problem.

I know there is the new Q321178 patch (which I have heard doesn't work). But tonight I'm gonna get medieval on there ass and try the Direct X 8.1b (http://download.microsoft.com/download/DirectX/Install/8.1b/W982KMeXP/EN-US/DirectX%208.1b%20Redist%20Package.EXE)

URL is: http://download.microsoft.com/download/DirectX/Install/8.1b/W982KMeXP/EN-US/DirectX%208.1b%20Redist%20Package.EXE)

which is a 25 Mb download, but it allegedly patches DirectX to 8.1b. It is a MSDN patch which gaming companies are supposed to incorporate into their games.

FFS I DONT BELIEVE IT!!!!

now im also freezing..................since ive installed the VIA v4.40 MOBO drivers......

can i reinstall a earlier version?

Okay dudes, I ran the big fat directX8.1b

http://download.microsoft.com/download/DirectX/Install/8.1b/W982KMeXP/EN-US/DirectX%208.1b%20Redist%20Package.EXE)

and then installed the Q321178 (which just patches one file) <-- AMD processors only. This iz the one u need (http://194.83.137.71/freeze/Q321178%5FWXP%5FSP1%5Fx86%5FENU%2Eexe)

The thing is it worked. The thing is it worked. The thing is it worked.

This is DEFINITELY a DirectX Issue. Because for me the problems started after I installed Warcraft III.

The patches from Microsoft worked. Basically you should check this file -----> d3d8.dll: 5.01.2600.0044 English Final Retail 5/6/2002 13:51:28 1180672 bytes <------ That is the version that works for me as reported in Q321178.

Email me if you want more info..... gotta go kill some pathetic storm troopers.

&lt;edit&gt;
I've a long post a bit after this one but you can just go here to find out more

The Filez That Stopped The Freeze (http://194.83.137.71/freeze/index.cfm)

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A link to the files you need (http://194.83.137.71/freeze/index.cfm)

That's a link to the files that I used, they fixed me up nice.

I can't promise that those links will be there forever, but certainly up for a week or so (depending on traffic).

If possible, use the Microsoft link for the DirectX8.1b patch, their server is about as fast as mine :)

Here are the contents of the above link.. if it pastes nice, cool

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The big thaw: stop freezing in Jedi Knight II
These two files ended the freeze in Jedi Knight II.

My freeze was characterised by the following

it happened every time I started a game
always < 5 minutes
both multi-player and single player mode
the freeze manifests itself with a sound loop, and ONLY a hard boot recovers.
My spec
My machine is based on an AMD Athlon XP 1800+, ASUS A7A266 motherboard, Creative Audigy, Creative Geforce Pro

I should also mention that JKII worked fine for me up until about Chapter 18. I installed Warcraft III, and the #### hit the fan. Take from that what you will.

Once I had the freeze problem, the game froze regardless of video or audio settings, 640*480, no OpenGL extensions, sound on low quality etc.. all still crashed.

Notes
Note that my motherboard uses an ALi chipset (not Via). I am running the latest Nvdia, Ali and Audigy Drivers. My machine is also upto date accoring to WindowsUpdate.

Post patch
I can now play the game using any settings I like, including EAX etc.,

The two files
I basically ran DirectX8.1b and then the Q321178 patch. To be honest I'm not sure if DirectX8.1b did anything, but run it just to make sure everything is cool.

DirectX 8.1b Redist Package.exe
download: DirectX 8.1b Redist Package.exe

This is from MSDN the original file can be found at http://download.microsoft.com/download/DirectX/Install/8.1b/W982KMeXP/EN-US/DirectX%208.1b%20Redist%20Package.EXE).

The accompanying page is http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/default.asp?url=/downloads/topic.asp?URL=/msdn-files/028/000/114/topic.xml). (IE only, use menu item labelled "Microsoft DirectX 8.1b Redist Install")

Q321178_WXP_SP1_x86_ENU.exe
download: Q321178_WXP_SP1_x86_ENU.exe.

Read Q321178 in the Microsoft knowledgebase

I can't remember where I found the actual file (some gaming site). I can't find it on the Microsoft website anymore.

d3d8.dll: 5.01.2600.0044 English Final Retail 5/6/2002 13:51:28 1180672 bytesNote the version number is changed from 5.01.2600.0000 to 5.01.2600.0044

Let me know
you can email me. (Use default subject "Jedi Knight Freeze" or mail will be deleted).

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A link to the files you need (http://194.83.137.71/freeze/index.cfm)

Any ideas on patches for this os?

Yikes.
TO be honest I'ld try them anyway ... haven't really loooked for Win2k .. but as I usnderstand they use the same directX stuff anyways .. don't they???

my JKII will freeze once i install VIA chipset drivers
when i play without those drivers i dont freeze...

just thought it could help

The patch file will NOT execute on 2000. Some error about different platforms. I don't know what I'll do. Raven....Lucas fix this freaking problem or at least let us know that you're trying to resolve the issue.

Rio

Hmm I could email you the d3d8.dll (or whatever its called).
You up for that?

well i got a fix (works so far for me)

for win98

first i uninstalled the game| clicked start/run| typed msconfig|
unchecked the box that said load startup groups items. then reinstalled the game. i also left the box unchecked.

this works for me but it is a little risky cause now i dont have my antivirus running at all times but its a small price to pay cause now i can play jk2 for hours now.(hope i didnt curse myself)

Pentium III (or whatever.. i dunno) 1.0GHz
128MB RAM
SiS 630/730 (yes, I know it sucks.)
Windows 98

I dont like hardware as you can see..

The patch didnt work.
Whenever I do a hard reboot my screen gamma goes as high as it can get and I have to go into Display etc and press Reset All in Gamma Correction or whatever (I just woke up)

Well, I actually made the game playable for an hour or 2.

I turned off the GL Extensions in Multiplayer and everything is as low as it gets. I have no clue where to get updated drivers for my SiS (yes, it sucks) because the company is lousy and I never wanted this video card.

I tried turning off GL Extensions in single player but that didnt do any good, only allowed 15 minutes of play instead of 2.

If anyone knows where to d/l drivers for my SiS I would be very happy to know :bounce1: :compcry:

http://www.sis.com/support/driver/vga.htm) is probably the obvious place to start

oh and here too http://driver3.sis.com/)

I used to have the same problem, and after about 3 months of obsessing over it, I figured it out. It is the soundblaster live drivers. To make my long story short, only use the driver from the Microsoft update site, do not use the one from creative labs. BTW, anything using the Quake 3 engine had the same problem, and this, solved all the problems!

Anyone else know if DirectX 8.1b improves the freezing/hanging in Jedi Outcast?
So far, I've only read one post in this topic, which amazes me because the person who made the post gave such a glowing review of the 24.5 meg patch. Anyone want to offer a rebuttal of his warm, happy thoughts? I want to know if this patch will actually make my game stop hanging every 10 seconds.
So those of you who have the 8.1b patch, PLEASE START SOUNDING OFF. (If the patch isn't the wonderfix I hope it is, I won't blame you, the messenger.)

ever since i got the patch it stopped freezing on my computer. but i also got many other patches so i dont know which one it was for sure but i do know the 8.1 patch was the last patch i installed and i would say go for it and download the patch

and as for jcb1bea i wish it was that easy to fix but i installed those new drivers and it still froze but maybe that was just me

I'm pretty certain that there are several reasons why JKII crashes. In my house we have three computers, all running similiar specs..

(me:Athlon XP, Asus board, Audigy, Geforce 2)
(dn:Athlon Thunderbird, Gigabyte board, Live1024, Geforce 4)
(ab:Athlon Thunderbird, Epox board, Fortissimo, Geforce 2).

Even while I was suffering from the crash, the other guys - with similiar configurations - were kicking storm trooper butt, leaving me crying every night, as I could hear the anguised sounds as light sabre cleaved through flesh.

I've looked at a few posts in this thread, and the major point is ... WE ARE NOT ALL SUFFERING FROM THE SAME FREEZE.

I was trying to be quite specific when I described my problem i.e.,
- it happened every time I started a game
- always < 5 minutes
- both multi-player and single player mode
- the freeze manifests itself with a sound loop,
- you can still see the game on your screen
- ONLY a hard boot recovers.

I've seen some people say that their multiplayer works .. that is different from my problem, and this patch might not help.

The reason that I was dead certain that this was a directX issue (and NOT a video driver or sound driver issue), is because JKII worked for me perfectly until I installed Warcraft III. I had already played about 75% of JKII without any problems.

When it stopped working, I mucked about with the drivers, did a system restore, changed video settings, etc etc etc, but nothing worked. The game always froze, exactly like I described above.

I reinstalled XP (normally a cure all for any software related problem).. still it crashed.

I installed the 8.1b drivers but i also installed:

Q321178_WXP_SP1_x86_ENU.exe.

download Q321178 patch (http://194.83.137.71/freeze/Q321178%5FWXP%5FSP1%5Fx86%5FENU%2Eexe)

d3d8.dll: 5.01.2600.0044 English Final Retail 5/6/2002 13:51:28 1180672 bytes
Note the version number is changed from 5.01.2600.0000 to 5.01.2600.0044

I believe that it is the Q321178 patch which does the job.

Read Q321178 in the Microsoft knowledgebase (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q321178)

Obviously the things to take note of here are:

A) This only affects XP (according to Microsoft), so if you are running something else, this is not your problem.

B) This only affects Athlon processors, so if you are running something else this is not your problem.

Microsoft describes the symptoms as:

Under very rare circumstances, games that use the Software Fixed Function Transform and Lighting functionality in DirectX 8.1 may stop responding (hang) while you play a game.

I'm not sure what very rare circumstances means.. is it hardware configurations.. or only when ceratin bits of code get exceuted. For me it wasn't rare, it always happened.

I don't know why I'm wasting time writing this, JKII is awesome, probably the best FPS I've ever played (and I've played a few). I'm certain that the patch helped me and I am confident that if A) and B) and your problem (at top of this post) sounds like mine, then this is most likely your problem.

Good luck guys, and if it worked for you why not tell everyone so we can put this Freezing post to rest.

Thanks for replying, ibballin.
So far that makes two favorable reviews of the DirectX8.1b patch. I'm downloading it myself now.
Here's hoping it does some good.:rolleyes:

well??

Originally posted by er583
well??

hes probaly too busy playing now that he doesnt have to worry about freezing:D

My game speed isn't any quicker after installing DirectX8.1b. I'm not sure if I should be upset with Raven, or mad at myself. Here are specs for my computer, and conditions I use for the game:

COMPUTER:
P4 1.6 gig
1.5 gigs RAM
GeForce 3 Ti 200
Hard Drives: 40/60/60/80
Windows XP


GAME:
1100 x 800 resolution (forget exact number; not at that CPU now)
myself with 12 bots > all custom skins


As you see, I have good stuff, but Jedi Outcast is a resource hog. I can obviously turn the number of bots down, and that'll speed things up slightly, but I thought for sure I'd get better than a 17 frame rate. (On a side note, I REALLY need a cable or DSL line....I play with so many bots because they lack personality. Somehow, I enjoy playing if there's enough quantity to make up for the lack of quality multi-player insults.) If I play with 4 bots, I get about 40-45 KBps, with the numerous "hangs" going unabated. (Grrrr....) I have done some tweaks (like altering the hunkmegs from "64" to "512") and only that other update (Q34324234 or whatever that accompanies DirectX) has added 5-10 KBps. Somewhere along the way I defragmented and reinstalled everything relating to the game from scratch.

I have all the RAM a guy could want. I wonder if I get a P4 2.4 gig if I'll see any improvement? Any thoughts? Theoretically, it would help. But theoretically, I shouldn't have any speed or hang issues at all. I think I may try getting a faster processor next, but its irritating to have games that don't perform like you think they should.

Have you thought about a Geforce 4 .. since money doesn't seem to be a problem for you!

Thanks for the reply, er583.
Which do you think would help me more? Getting the top-of-the-line GeForce 4 to replace my PNY GeForce 3 Ti 200, or getting a P4 2.4 gig processor to replace my P4 1.6 gig processor?

Also, to add to my specs, I have a Sound Blaster Audigy Ex.

Thanks for the tips in advance.

i would replace your video card before your cpu. first i suggest make a post in regards to the geforce 4 and see if its any good and try to see what other people who have, have to say . the video card you have right now is still good and you never know they might comeout with a driver in a week, month, who knows. i say only get it if you truely want it. the geforce 4 is a pretty sweet card though

I went and got it. I'm going to install it before the night is done. I checked out sharkyextreme.com and got the info that I needed. In their newest reviews of the GeForce 4's, they compare Jedi Outcast performance amongst GeF 4 4600s, 4400s, 4200s, and GeForce 3 500 & 200s. The differences between GeF 4 and 3 for Jedi Outcast (as they report it) are amazing. I'll know myself soon enough.

Well, I'm still having problems even after buying a GeForce 4 4600.
Going up against 7 bots, I get 25 fps.
Don't have a clue why the game won't ran fast...I think its the way I have my computer's software configured. My low speed and hangs can't be related to the hardware, as everything is supposed to be top of the line. I've heard SOME soundblaster sound cards have caused problems with this game. Anyone else know of problems between SB Live products and Jedi Outcast? Perhaps are there some key settings in Bios that I'm missing? (I have AGP aperture at 256.)


SPECS:
Windows XP
MSI 6528 LE motherboard
P4 1.6 gig
1.5 gigs RAM
VisionTek Xtasy GeForce 4 4600 128 meg DDR memory
Hard Drives: 40/60/60/80 (2 on mainboard, 2 using PCI card. game installed on mainboard's "C" drive)

Game Settings: 1100x800 resolution, with all settings at "very high" quality level selected.

Well, I'm off for the night. Thanks for being so helpful today everybody.

have you tried updating the drivers for your soundcard? if not try that. so it still freezes with the all powerful geforce4 huh? but i bet the graphics are sweet:D well the only thing else i can think of is try the driveres for that videocard have you tried that? well i dont know what else to tell you other then keep hope alive.

Well, I lied. I'm back. I continued to look around for answers, and I did find something of use.
I read somewhere that if you turn off anisotrophic filtering that the game will not slow down or hang. Truth be told, disabling that filter turned out to solve my herkiness problem! I'm still getting a piss-poor FPS (considering what I have) but I have also found that my problem isn't rare - lots of people have good stuff and have been getting bad results.

Anyway, here's a link for other tweaks of the game:
http://www.techspot.com/tweaks/jedioutcast/jedi-2.shtml)

ibballin, if I had to guess, I'd say its my sound card. By all outward appearances, everything works fine. (All five channels send out sound) but when I go into my Creative Mixer to "test" the speakers, only the front left and front right respond. I've changed the speaker configuration in XP's control panel, checked the inside of my computer, downloaded the latest drivers, and tinkered around in Bios, but still the "test" only has 2 of 5 speakers respond. I read a widespread rumor that says Creative has new drivers on the way in mid to late August. As I have nowhere else to assign the blame, I'll be first in line to download the drivers.

To solve the crashing of JK2, I finally reformatted my hard drive; installed Windows 2000, then Direct X 8.1b, then the latest drivers for my Video card (GeForce4 Ti 4400), but I used the audio driver from WN 2000 for my audio card (Sound Blaster Live Value) and not the software driver that came with my sound card.

I have not experienced any crashing or freezing to date and hopefully not in the near future.

I sincerely hope this may help anyone who are still experiencing crashing or freezing problems.

I am also having this freezing problem. But when I first started playing multiplayer mode I didn’t have this problem and I had video setting on highest quality. Now all og a sudden it’s doing it almost everytime. Only game that it doesn’t freeze so far is duel games. Maybe it has something to do with more players?

Windows Xp Pro
AMD Athlon 1.2/Dragon Orb 3 Fan (7000rpm)
CPU Temperature Average 107F
1 Gig Ram PC-133
ATI Radeon 7000 64DDR
Maxtor Hard Drive 20 gig 7200 (Running at ATA 100)
Ultra ATA133 Round IDE Cables
Ensoniq Pci Sound Card
Internet: Cox Cable

Pentium III - 500 Mhz
128 MB RAM, 12 GB HD
Win98
GeForce 2

I think it's the weather that does all the damage. Or the constellation of the stars. Or what you had for breakfast... I want to congratulate everyone who managed to solve his freezing problem an commiserations for those who didn't, but as for me, I quit. I tried about every suggestion, installed any latest patch, driver etc. that may help and... nothing. Kept me busy for weeks and I actually learned something, too.
Thank you Lucas, thank you Raven, you can stick your 50 $ light saber into your (oops, aborted)....

Has everyone E-mailed Technical support?! :lol:

Just another thought. I’m not sure if anyone has suggestive it but I just did a bios update on my motherboard and now game runs fine. BEWARE if you do a bios update read the README file and make sure you have right files etc. you can mess up motherboard if you try to put wrong rom files etc. Good Luck