As some of you may know, I recently released a Mass Effect weapon mod (
http://lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=203980). I had always intended to do more, so I started work on a second model last night. This thread will serve as WIP for any further Mass Effect weapons I make.
The next model on the list is the Carnifex Hand Cannon (the pistol from Mass Effect 2). All the Mass Effect 2 versions of the weapons are just slightly different from the Mass Effect 1 versions, usually more in the way they're textured rather than their shape. In any case, see below for my current progress and a reference image of the ME2 and ME1 versions of this gun:
Mass Effect 2 Version (Carnifex Hand Cannon)
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100208124834/masseffect/images/9/9a/X6c_Carnifex.png)
Mass Effect 1 Version
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081119040523/masseffect/images/thumb/5/57/Small_Arms_Codex_Image.jpg/251px-Small_Arms_Codex_Image.jpg)
KotOR Version
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/Mods/render-illumination.jpg)
Image on the left is with 100% self illumination (meaning all shading comes from the texture. Image on the right is with 0% self illumination.
Ingame below:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/Mods/screenie.jpg)
I am mainly interested in opinions on the size. I have one opinion that it's good, and I do think it's roughly comparable with the size from Mass Effect 2, but I'm open to other opinions.
And haha, I just realized the OCX is supposed to be OXC. I'll fix that. >.>
TBH, my first impulse was that they were too big.....as the hands seem to be swimming in the weapon almost. After going back into ME2 and using FRAPS to capture a pic of a Carnifex in Miranda's grip for comparison, it actually seems pretty much to scale. So, now you have at least two "goods".
I know they're roughly to scale (I'll have to compare a little bit more to be more confident) but I'm not sure I like them that big, even if it's accurate. I'm thinking of seeing how they look scaled down a little and then deciding. They looked pretty clunky in ME imo.
I know they're roughly to scale (I'll have to compare a little bit more to be more confident) but I'm not sure I like them that big, even if it's accurate. I'm thinking of seeing how they look scaled down a little and then deciding. They looked pretty clunky in ME imo.
No kidding, I think that they would work better in a smaller version.
Yeah, but I didn't initially, which was why I checked. Didn't pay much attention to that weapon in ME2 b/c I usually used the shotgun or heavier weapons. I was thinking that shaving it down to maybe 75% +/- probably would look better in KOTOR/TSL.
Well the texturing is excellent but i suppose since ME2 has way better models the size looks better in that game. But if you decrease the size does that take away the clarity of the weapon and make it blurry. Even though it looks better than what the game has now on its own.
Reducing the model size won't really make it blurry, just smaller. Changing the texture size might make it blurry, but I won't need to do that. :)
I'll add a vote to making it slightly smaller. I like the texture though! ;)
Why not keep one version as it is now, and another that is smaller?
By letting the player choose which version to use you can satisfy all fans.
Edit: Hey, maybe the smaller version could be a Compact Model used by Assasins and such? There are a couple of pistols in K1 that are smaller than the others.
To me, slightly smaller would look better.
I also like Darth Payne's idea as well, a heavy and light version.
btw they look great!!
Aesthetically, I think that it could be a bit smaller. Your screenshot shows it in the hands of a male soldier, and it looks too big. I can only imagine how huge it would look in the hands of a female scoundrel.
I was hoping you would make a Mass Effect Weapons thread :).
Why not keep one version as it is now, and another that is smaller?
By letting the player choose which version to use you can satisfy all fans.
Edit: Hey, maybe the smaller version could be a Compact Model used by Assasins and such? There are a couple of pistols in K1 that are smaller than the others.
I second this...You could make a small "holdout" version, then have a bigger "heavy" version.
But if you want to keep one model then I say make it a little bit smaller.
Aesthetically, I think that it could be a bit smaller. Your screenshot shows it in the hands of a male soldier, and it looks too big. I can only imagine how huge it would look in the hands of a female scoundrel.
I second this. I also agree with Darth Payne about releasing 2 versions to choose from ... maybe one slightly smaller that the original and another to replace some of those tiny hold out blasters out there which share same mdl?
about the self illumination I suppose it's possible to set it to 75% or so instead of 100%? 0% looks way too dark to distinguish the texture details.
keep up the good work :thmbup1:
Awesome work!:D Personally I like the size of this one. It's a Hand Cannon afterall
It's sized well. Hell, I took a screen of original to showcase this. It's meant to be held in both hands afterall, so wide space by the grip is mandatory.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5434/58099939.th.jpg) (
http://img130.imageshack.us/i/58099939.jpg/)
It's sized well. Hell, I took a screen of original to showcase this. It's meant to be held in both hands afterall, so wide space by the grip is mandatory.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5434/58099939.th.jpg) (
http://img130.imageshack.us/i/58099939.jpg/)
If Inyri's gonna release it as a NEW weapon then it's reasonable to keep the original size, and maybe a slightly smaller one; but if she's gonna release the models to replace others in-game then they should be smaller IMHO :raise: ...
anyone with me? :)
There's no reason I can't offer both. Will probably do that.
Been playing Prince of Persia this week, but I'm done with that so I'll work on making a smaller version shortly to see how it looks.
Inyri you are quite honestly a God. Not only are these weapons beautifully modelled, I'm glad to see that you have such good taste. The Mass Effect games are the best games ever made, so it's nice to see the weapons being made for KOTOR. :)
Keep up the good work!
PS. I wonder if the M920-Cain (the mini nuke launcher lol) would be possible?
I'm kinda hoping for the ARC Projector myself.
A fitting ammo type for that one would be force lightning, i think.
Those weapons look amazing! Very well done indeed.
PS. I wonder if the M920-Cain (the mini nuke launcher lol) would be possible?I already had that discussion with Rogue Nine. I think we'd probably have to compromise on the ammo. :p
Also, if you guys want to give suggestions for your other favorite ME weapons go ahead and start listing them. Will need to start work on my next one tomorrow methinks. :)
Am thinking possible the Widow (
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/M-98_Widow) next. Thoughts?
Update:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/Mods/smaller.jpg)
tbh I think that looks so much more awesome that I think I'll just toss the bigger version. Any strong opinions to the contrary?
The Widow is cool gun.
Perhaps restricting it to just HK and/or Zaalbar will keep it more inline with ME2?
The Widow is cool gun.
Perhaps restricting it to just HK and/or Zaalbar will keep it more inline with ME2?
As long as the player can use it I can go with that....but if not!:swear:
(I kid:p)
But the widow is my favourite weapon in the whole game!
(Probably because I love sniping)
Love the smaller version it looks great!!
I am fine with any weapon you make, they all look great :).
Awesome look and size man hey a weapon suggestion i love the Geth Pulse Rifle rifle although im not sure if you can match the ammo speed that weapon blazes
I like the smaller version. Can you make Shepard's N7 Onyx Armor? I tried, but it mirrored and I don't know how to unmirror it.
The Widow is cool gun.
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yeah, i definately prefer the smaller version, it really looks awesome now!
I'm not sure about other weapons, hmm, i'd love to see one of the heavy weapons, and the Cain is only cool cause of the ammo, but the Blackstorm Projector looks cool as a weapon, dunno if it's ammo would work, cause have never used it in ME2, and don't know KOTOR's limitations very well. The Arc Projector and the Avalanche both look cool as well. If you don't want to do heavy weapons, the Battle Rifle would be cool.
I said I was going to work on the next model. I am still getting opinions on the pistol but if everybody likes it with the smaller size as-is and doesn't have any further suggestions I'll go ahead and release it.
Next project:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/Mods/widow-render.jpg)
Let me know if anything looks really inaccurate. My ref pics weren't as good this time so I kind of guessed on some of it.
I said I was going to work on the next model. I am still getting opinions on the pistol but if everybody likes it with the smaller size as-is and doesn't have any further suggestions I'll go ahead and release it.
Next project:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/Mods/widow-render.jpg)
In update pic looks like it fits OK in both male or female hands :) ... even an additional slightly smaller version would be great as I said before to replace those ugly tiny pistol models but that's just me ... :xp:
can we expect so soon a KotOR version besides TSL one? :thmbup1:
oh and this ME widow thing looks amazing so far and more than appropiate for HK47 right? :raise:
I'll release KotOR and TSL versions at the same time.
Awesome sniper rifle, don't recognise it though. I only ever used the default one, cause i didn't like the quicker firing, weaker one. Is this that or the special one? (i got the LMG)
But yeah, you're doing a great job so far, the sniper rifle's beautifully modelled, should look awesome skinned. For some reason i imagine it as being dark grey and red, dunno why. Obviously, do it how it is in ME2.
This is the Widow. It's Legion's upgraded sniper rifle, or the PC can get it if he/she is a certain class (Infiltrator I believe?).
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/MassEffect22010-04-1720-31-02-71.jpg)
This is the Widow. It's Legion's upgraded sniper rifle, or the PC can get it if he/she is a certain class (Infiltrator I believe?).
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/MassEffect22010-04-1720-31-02-71.jpg)
Goodness!!! :freakout: that qualifies as HUGE doesn't it?? my ... I have to try this ME ... soon ...
how is the player, Mission Vao or Bastila supposed to carry such a thing? :wonder:
keep up the awesome work :thmbup1:
The description in the game actually says something about it snapping the wielder's arms when they try to fire it, as I recall. :p
The description in the game actually says something about it snapping the wielder's arms when they try to fire it, as I recall. :p
Perhaps it should either have the Force Sensitive requirement, or a decrease in accuracy or something like that.
Great work with these. Are you planing on doing any of the Sniper Rifles, as in the model that Hammer, Avenger and Titan share? I know the folding thing can't really be done, but that is still a cool model.
I'd personally prefer the Incisor over the Widow. But still these models are amazing. So I won't care too much.
All of the ones you made so far are excellent IMHO. Really, really nice work! :)
This is a bit off-topic, so delete it if you want, but:
I'm setting up my next kotor playthrough, and want to try and prevent myself from making the game unbalanced through mods. To try and stop that happening, i'm using all the (decent) weapon models i can find to REPLACE ingame items, rather than adding new ones. I can do this, it's not hard, but i'm just checking if for example the Avenger could be used to replace a Repeating Blaster rather than a blaster rifle, what are the "rules" for this kind of thing? Can all one handed gun types interchange models? what about 2 handed guns, and swords?
Revenant LMG is more suitable for Repeater replacement. Since in ME2 it's also better to fire the more damaging gun in burst fire, rather than full auto like blaster rifle.
You should be able to just rename the models. All the gun models share the same basic setup so they should be interchangeable, at the model level.
*Looking forward to blasting some Jedis with your Widow*
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/Mods/smaller.jpg)
tbh I think that looks so much more awesome that I think I'll just toss the bigger version.
I agree with you, this looks like it fits both the large male and small female body sizes. The length of the female's forearm vs the length of the gun matches the ref pic of Jack with the hand cannon.
Let me know if anything looks really inaccurate. My ref pics weren't as good this time so I kind of guessed on some of it.
I haven't seen very many ref pics either, but it does look fairly accurate to those that I have seen.
If you're gonna do another sniper rifle, how about the M-92 Mantis Sniper Rifle? It has that quintessential ME2 look, similar to the M-8.
So far I have played the Blaster Rifle and I have to say, I love it. Keep up the amazing work! I am a fan of your modding work and hope to see more of your effort in the future. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!
I just finished UV mapping the Widow so I'll be working on the texture probably over the next few days. While I'm doing that, any thoughts on which weapon type it should be/replace? There isn't exactly a real sniper rifle in the KotOR games.
Why not replace the Sith Sniper Rifle?
As far as i know there are only two places to get it ingame.
While it may not be as functional or exactly what you're going for (replacement), it would be cool if it could be HK-47's personal sniper rifle or something.