3 THINGS....
Maximus......BRAVO!!! Well said.
Torment.......one on one baby!
JZA and the Dope Twins......Can I please spectate your match against the Sick guys...its gonna be classic!
lol
This banana needs an enema!!
Indeed bravo :)
Hypocrisy is so deeply ingrained nowadays it's hard to notice. You see, claiming to be 'elite' is only one part of being, the complete jerk, that an eliteist is.
The rest of it comes from merely stating (bragging) about some score or another, or any other kind of stupid, pointless arrogance. It's all very well trying to put your point across, but some people seem to enjoy putting others down and being correct all the time that things get out of hand and go beyond the point of neccessary and just arent worth your pride.
You're certain to disagree. They always do.
It is a shame to see players who have such great potential allow ego and image to engulf their abilities as a person, a part of a community and all the others aspects that make a game fun other than winning.
I myself am looking forward to playing the game and making friends. Games come and go, but friends stick around. It's nice to be good at whatever you do, but it's nicer to be surrounded by people who like you.
just my 2 cents worth,
luck to all.
Biocyte - Quiet you, it's just a match, and you'd lag us if even the slightest bit. And stop calling us twins everybody, am I like his lackey or something now, wherever he goes then there i am? The past few posts on this by me and he's nowhere to be seen, so stop acting like i'm silent bob to his jay.
Maximus - You can try to make it look like we were flaming you, but it was just a debate, and you've never played me, and i never said I was "l33t" or a "l33tist" in any way, so when you make a mistake ina debate just admit it, don't go through a drawn-out post about how you think we don't like you.
Osyrus, interesting post. In the Elite Force world, we have the Elite Force League (EFleague.com) with it's own servers. Is there a such a league and supported servers for JK2? I think the admins for EFL are discussing the possibility to support JK2, but would that be a duplication of effort?
Spiff, the dope twins comment, sidekick thing comes from Darthmaul posting "Spiffy is God" and other colorful langue to all the flame posts you two did before you guys got in trouble. It's the same point you didn't see with Vomit. I'm not sure why you're acting so shocked and surprised. Maybe on the next forum you pounce on you will give your entrance a bit more thought and not be so obvious. And datestamps...remember that datestamps are recorded for all post.
Could it be.......... ?
Nah......... it can't ..... !
Another human being that plays games on-line to meet ppl and join in with others as part of a community, I must be dreaming !
Sarcasm aside, it's so rare to read a post like this, it's quite nice to know that I call the person who wrote it 'Friend'.
I've spent a lot of time around gameing communities, met many ppl, most of whom wouldn't look in my direction because of my average skill at some games, others I have met have taken the time and effort to help me enjoy these games, these ppl I still speak to and call friends.
To all those players who've passed me by with a 'Stoopid noob' remark can live in their Ivory Tower and delude themselves into thinking they're great because I couldn't beat them.
Thanks for your time.
Originally posted by Vomit
Not that I mind getting slaughtered by you in Jk1, but I don't have the game. I think Jk2 is a still a good neutral game to look forward to and hope we can arrange a friendly scrimmage. I think it would be a cool match setup...plus I bet we could learn from each other.
Good Analogy Spiffy, but I want to be Silent Bob. ;)
In relation to the Quote, I was just thinking, This is going to be great, Its like all the fighters here who play JK vs. everyone here who plays q3/ef/some other fps, it's like an all out war, this is EPIC!
spliffy? do i know u
i am asuming your JZA's m8 and are on WP under a diderent name there?
i dont know your name here so i dont know
i think Scottt maybe? possibley Ani?
maybe wrong
but i am afraid u where and are flaming me , lots of peeps have said the same thing , and i speak to everyone , the peeps tryin to get things takin from me , forget , i talk to everyone , and everyone tells me there real opinion , and i try and correct things from there , so far , everyone is happy
only u few guys aint
your welcome to stay and play
but know this , u slag/harrash/upset/anoy/or take the piss out of anyone that helps me run JK2 on WP or any newbie/crap player/other l33tish wannabes the u will be delt with , i have spokin too WP admins and they are happy with what i have said , i dont lie in what i say , i have told em , what is going on , and what i feel should be done ,and they are happy with that
l33t's or the noobs not the noobs , infact the noobs or the l33ts too me
i am friends with anyone , and everyone , i will talk/play/message them , its your problem if u dont want too be a friend of mine , but u WILL NOT disruptt the fourm/servers/community cause u aint happy cause u dont run things , i am fair and i listen too everyone , and i am more than positive everyone will agree with that! weather u do or not!
http://forums.wireplay.co.uk/forumdisplay.php3?forumid=344)
is the JK2 WP fourm , i hope i can spam that abit , cause i want all newbie's , and peeps that wanna be in a fun community ta join
hope too see some of u guys :)
i will even let u kick my ass at JK1 if u like , i still play it abit!
Spiffy isn't from Wireplay, you're mistaken. And what's this Elite crap coming back AGAIN? SWEEEEEET MERCIFUL CRAP! Nobody is elite yet, we're all newbs now stop contra-freaking-dicting yourself and pretending you're one of authority.
jza wasnt trying to be elite he was just stating facts trying to disuade you from believing that torment was a so called elite i know both jza's skill at jk and torments skill at jk and i can safely say that jza's statement is true the fact was he didnt come on here trying to be elite he was just stating facts maximus you beat him at nf sabers a setting he rarely plays and he may have complained but thats the past you still fail to grasp his simple concept that he stated which is game skills are not transfereable to other games that fact he even quoted scores was to prove his point not to brag if he wanted to brag i gaurentee you he wouldnt start with beating torment into negs
what a load of crap , games skillz trasferable
the simple fact is , if u can play , u can play
if u cant , u cant
all the crap about i can carry my l33t skillz over
JZA did always play NF sabres i am afraid m8 , so if u know him that well , u should have known that
he played everyone on WP NF sabres
and as i said , why brag , if he beat him , that would wind torn more because he just says , yeah what ever m8
but no , he has to make a point on the score and stuff like that
simple fact
the thread has been contradicted!
im afraid your simple mind cant grasp what we have so plainly stated and if he did play nf sabers its not what he was good at anybody knows that im sorry i wasted my time trying to explain it to you idiots
Dude, i'm not trying to flame you. We had a discussion about game skills. I never insulted your intelligence or anything about you, and also I just got here, look at my post record man compare it to other people, i don't think i'm l33t in ANY game so stop thinking i'm flaming you. I'm not. If I wanted to I could call you gay, call you stupid, or anything, but i don't. If you want to see a flame war look back at some of my posts with vomit. In the meantime i'm sorry if you think i was, i'm really not trying to.
THE SYKOTIC WRETCHED IS RIGHT!
And Dammit Maximus, You're really starting to piss me off, You dont know bull****. This LONG discussion was pretty much EXTINCT until you brought up another freaking point. I swear to god lately I've been wanting to punch through this ****ing monitor and rip out your little throat and show an apple down it and put it BACK IN BECAUSE YOU DWONT ****ING LISTEN AND YOU WONT ****ING STOP BEING ANNOYING! JESUS CHRIST I'M GOING ****ING INSANE GOD DAMMIT!
Well no need for such banter dude.. A little constructive criticism for all is what keeps the mind sharp and active throught out your life.
After reading the interview with the developers, seems like all in the game will be different anyway lol :)
Be well
Hoff
JZA.. Something very stupid lies In between your keyboard and the back of your chair to say it lightly and unlike you Im not gonna be dropping names of players and fictional scores for a game you know why? cause it would make me look like an as$
something that you accompished with great *skill* (untransferable from previous games)
Ofcourse Skill is transerferable and that skill is based on:
1: how to use the mouse and look around
2: and walking
thats the basic skill you need.
I play loads of FPS games and jumping into one is real easy, my girlfriend on the other hand isn't so used to using the mouse and keyboard and gets lost all the time.
my point is that previous experience with *Any* FPS game at a multi player level will give you the basics and that skill will transfer
but more advanced game mechanics will have to be relearned so to speak.
Quake1 example: Armor comes back in X(ammont of seconds)
Jedi Knight example: Force absorb lasts X(Secs with 3 stars)X(secs with 4 stars) ect ect
Quake3 example: Quad damage in X seconds
these are more "advanced basics" of item collecting and one you know the map layout you can compesate for time to recollect these items.
I believe what your talking about is AIM, Physics and timing of attacks. Which will be different for sure and players from previous FPS multi will have to compensate.
Now if your aim was better than mine you'd do more damage to me but if I was always equiped with armor and force ( Variable Item A + B) or whatever then I could still kill you cause I'd have more protection and would dominate the items
If the game doesn't have (Pickups) then we'd both have an even playing field where aim comes into play and you would win.
OK, group hug everyone.
We've all said our peace and as Hoff just mentioned, there is a post on the main board from the dev's that might make this whole thing moot.
I want to take a quote from Darthmaul before he went ballastic:
In relation to the Quote, I was just thinking, This is going to be great, Its like all the fighters here who play JK vs. everyone here who plays q3/ef/some other fps, it's like an all out war, this is EPIC!
So lets end this on a good note and look forward to our first match. I will organize the Q3/EF squad and Spiffy, JZA or Deathmaul can organize the JK troops. Now this should be fun!
Sorry, but I must have missed the post from the devs, would you mind giving me a link or telling me what topic to look at?
Originally posted by JK_DarthMaul
I like waffles! Tasty waffles!
Originally posted by Saient
Ofcourse Skill is transerferable and that skill is based on:
1: how to use the mouse and look around
2: and walking
thats the basic skill you need.
my point is that previous experience with *Any* FPS game at a multi player level will give you the basics and that skill will transfer
but more advanced game mechanics will have to be relearned so to speak.
FINALLY! Someone who also has some basic common sense!
I couldnt have said it any better my friend, its exactly what I wanted to state in my first post but I think they didnt take it that way.
Lets see how far JZA trys to disassemble and manipulate a basic common sense statement, and turn it into a heap of gumba that board posters here flutter their eyelids at lol!
Kudos Saient
I think the word "Elite" is often abused on the zone.
Just look at the zone and at most of the Info of recruiting games:
"Join the Elite clan of the Zone" "We are Elite, join us".
Even some people begin to speak really weird and call themselves 'elite'.
Like Maximus said: Elite players show good sportsmanship and even when the own you or they have beaten you so bad you had to cry :p they tell you how well you played and tell you about the cool moves you made.
Just dont forget that Elitism can only be achieved when you are the very best of all players !!!
How can you be Elite the first day the game is out in the stores ??
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I bought Q3 only to train for JK2 .... but when i played MOHAA (uses the same Q3 engine) it felt so different i couldnt bunnyhop or fire the rockets so easily as in Q3.
I was really phisicly-handicapt ... i was sooooo bad at MOHAA while i won every Q3 match ...
Ssoo i now play JK from time to time ... not to actually train ... but only to play some of the Old Skool players who return ... (i like it :D )
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While this topic also went about clans ...
IF you want to join a clan on the zone ... or are planning to, just stick with your old one or join atleast a 2 year-old clan ...
Most of the so called 'newbie-clans' do not have enough experience to actually get one up for JK and then change it for JK2 ... (ok you can start a JK2 clan ... but whats the use ???)
GSA_Mitth_
Captain of the Global Starfighter "SV" Alpha Unit.
PS. i enjoy the zone ... only those Elite-wannabees are really dumb.
Of *course* the ability to mouselook and walk is transferred. They are common to EVERY FPS game. Most players master these half way through the first SINGLE PLAYER game they play; as such their commonality is redundant in terms of multiplayer skill.
However, game-specific skills, such as bunny-hopping in halflife, force jumping in jedi knight, and intimate knowledge of lag are GAME-SPECIFIC skills. Everyone knows how to use the W/S/A/D keys to move; but I seriously doubt your movement technique in q3 will help you in JK. HOW you move is important; not just the fact that you CAN.
Please, use some common sense.
Originally posted by Saient
my point is that previous experience with *Any* FPS game at a multi player level will give you the basics and that skill will transfer
but more advanced game mechanics will have to be relearned so to speak.
I've played a FPS before= Jedi Knight. And I've gotten quite decent at it :p. But my saberfighting skills didn't help me at all when I started playing Counter Strike.
Aiming is one of the basic skills in most shoot em up FPS games like CS, UT, Q3, MOHAA, RTCW, etc, and my JK-skills didn't help me at all to learn it.
In JK saberfights you don't have to accurately aim, you don't have to put ur crosshair over him to hit him with ur saber.
You said that "previous experience with *ANY* FPS game at a multiplayer level will give u the basics and that skill will transfer". I disagree. I consider Aiming as one of those basic skills, and JK is an FPS and it didn't help me learn to aim at CS or UT at all.
It's just that JK is such a DIFFERENT game than all those other FPSs out there.
But you played sabers. Had you played guns in Jk, you would have had that general experience to transfer over. I'm not sure why this isn't apparent.
I played sabers as well, and the whole timing aspect totally transfered over to Tribes 1. I dunno, maybe it was my "Timing the shot" skill that made the difference.
That's one reason I had no respect for NF sabs. No aim, no item timing, didn't have to press many buttons, was horribly dependant on lag. A FFer or a NF gunner should take to jk2 easier then a saberist.
Originally posted by JZA
However, game-specific skills, such as bunny-hopping in halflife, force jumping in jedi knight, and intimate knowledge of lag are GAME-SPECIFIC skills. Everyone knows how to use the W/S/A/D keys to move; but I seriously doubt your movement technique in q3 will help you in JK. HOW you move is important; not just the fact that you CAN.
Please, use some common sense.
If you would just stop and read the previous posts, and stop over analyzing it, youd see that was the original point in the first place. Not once was it ever said game specific sense, just common everyday stuff to online fps's, gamer stuff.
Use more than common sense there please.
you know there is a huge difference between games ya know ...
For instance JK and MotS ...
same engine, same characters... but !!! different Force powers and weapons ...
if you were to be a very good FF Gunner at JK you may have some real trouble playing against a good FF Gunner from MotS .. and visa versa ofcourse.
the only thing that will be the same are the NF Sabz games ...
So you see even with the same Engine but different factors the game will be hard to adept.
So what do you think a combo between Q3 and JK make you think you have a first strike in JK2 ????
the only gamers you might have an advantage to are 12-year-old kids wich have just learned how to restart their pc.
and now for something completely different
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Guys if you have played Quake2 you can play JK2. A FPS is a FPS. So you have force powers, that will prolly be the only thing making this game unique.
It will be similiar to Q2, Q3, Heretic2 and EF.
You all havent mentioned who is actually making the game.
Raven Software.
And if history proves me right it will feel very familiar to anyone that has played any of the games I mentioned above.
Period.
Yes we will all be n00bs to a degree, but it will not be a drastic as some of you make it seem.
EF is Quake 3 with a ST theme and different weapons oh and it is slower.
Thats it.
They are both GREAT games, but very similiar. And if there is one thing that Raven knows how to do it is FPS.
So stop the trash talking and the analyzing and all the other monkey doo doo.
Get ready for a hell of a game.
[QB]the only gamers you might have an advantage to are 12-year-old kids wich have just learned how to restart their pc. [QB]
Hey when I was 12 people were paying me to make them some damn fine websites, and that's when I built my first computer, damn you! Although now all these computers are coming out that were made for idiots, and so the young'ns will have no computer knowledge.
But anyway biocyte, if force powers are the "only thing different from quake 3," then we're in for one ****ty game. When in quake 3 does a guy speed past you and cut your throat open with a lightsaber? In quake 3 are you aiming when the gun is ripped from your hands? What about being strangled by invisible hands? Force powers aren't just little assets of the game, try to play without using them and prepare to get your ass owned...
I only have a few things to say here.
First of all, I hope against hope that the very fact that so many people from so many DIFFERENT FPS backgrounds are interested in JO will mean that there will be a few more intelligent players to interact with on the Zone.
Secondly, as an ex-'elite' JK gunner, I can say that a large amount of the viciousness seen in the JK community is the result of people desperately clinging to the allure of playing in the Star Wars universe whilst being forced - due to general community apathy and game dynamics issues - to play a very limited array of styles and levels.
Either you were a nf/ff saberist in BGJ, a ff gunner in Canyone Oasis or a nf gunner in Ji Oasis. I thought that, JZA, that your whole chaos theory/muscle memory theory was rather good at explaining the processes going on in mastering these maps.
Even though we all inherently rebelled against the idea of playing the EXACT same map over and over and over again, we kept going. Obviously frustration levels and 'elitism' deriving from not wanting to accept failure after 3 YEARS of playing the same level contributed to this viciousness.
Thirdly, I think somehow that JO will be different. Of COURSE we're going to have the requisite number of very very immature individuals crowding the servers.
HOWEVER, the fact that the game will have a strong following BOTH on the Zone AND on other server-services like Gamespy etc will ensure that there isn't quite the same level of intense, warping focus that resulted in JK.
If you get sick and tired of the inane banter going on at Zone HQ, all you have to do is fire up the in-game browser and away you go...very nice...Of course, if you just want a bit of a chat with other JO's, you can drop into the Zone...Nice balance if you ask me.
=)
Originally posted by WD_ToRMeNt
That's one reason I had no respect for NF sabs. No aim, no item timing, didn't have to press many buttons, was horribly dependant on lag. A FFer or a NF gunner should take to jk2 easier then a saberist.
*laughs* So you're saying someone who always uses Guns is going to be better then then someone who always uses sabers?
<sarcasm> OF COURSE THATS TRUE BECAUSE OF THIS
1. Sabers take NO timing and NO tactics
2. Sabers you dont need to strafe jump and swing then spin and hit the other guy trying to slash your back while theres another guy gripping you.
</sarcasm>
Get smart man...Guns wont carry over to Sabers...remember there are two different parts to this game, you cant just say the Gunners will be good, because likely all they'll be good at is guns.
JK newbie STFU and listen...
Sabs in JK will be nothing like sabs in JK2 because of the way q3 handles lag. It was completey dependant on the way jk handled lag and JK2 will handle lag in the opposite way. The ONLY real skill in NF sabs was knowing that lag, and that won't carry over one bit into JK2 because the netcode is opposite of JK
And face it little boy, in JK sabs there was no aim, no item control, no timing, and no multitasking, only a couple buttons and it was slow as hell. Most people played NF sabs because it was easier. Guns and FF required all of the NF sabs skills and more. When a NF saberist got into a game of FF of NF guns he got analed hard.
I became and expert at NF sabs even though i didn't play it much. I learned to use saber at much higher speeds in FF BGJ. When I played NF it was very easy for me. I also got decent at NF guns without playing it much because I have awsome aim from playing FF. I could also time vest very well.
I'm guessing that my subtle tract on the warping effect of JK and the Zone on people's minds fell on deaf ears. Well, at least these last couple of mindless rants served to back up my statements.
lol, funny stuff.
Torment, How might you know so much about the gameplay when its not out yet? You're a little assuming freak. I think of you as a 300 lb. chunkster who sits at home saying I'm elite in his fat-striken lisped never goes out of the house voice. **** you man. and **** all of you Except Spiffy and JZA, the only ****ing people who have sense around here. I'm gone from here, you people are impossible and too stuck up in themselves to learn things. You claim you're not mean to newbies and you're so nice then you call me "JK Newbie" You're a little walking contradiction aren't you? Think before you post little *****, Thats all I have to say, I'm leaving these forums forever unless spiffy ****ing persuades me to come back.
*flips his finger up at everyone*
Well i'm gonna have to agree that most of you when countered either repeat what you said with different words or just contradict yourself with similar words. It gets extremely annoying.
What Torment is saying about the game is what we know from Q3. Q3 netcove operates on a model of dedicated servers. your ping determines how fast you fire after you have pressed the fire key. Whereas JK did not use dedicated servers, your ping determined how far ahead you were on the screen versus your visual representation. Anyone who has played any game with dedicated servers vs JK can make the same statement about the game play. Either way "DarthMaul," it is quite apparent that you do not know what you are talking about.
As far as the Zone is concerned: The Zone was a cesspool of garbage. Given that JK2 will be supported by Gamespy, I doubt you will find anyone there, except for newbies and power-abusive sysops. Most of the clans, to my knowledge, will be in IRC.
So this mean the group hug is out?
oh, and personnal note to DarthMaul. I got my Redneck online translator, so I think we can all finally communicate with you. let me paste in the results:
Hey ******! Wuz up little ****. Ain't **** for brains inda house! Say we ****ing Blow this ****ing ****house and go ****ing raid another ****ing useless ****ing forum?! Dude, ****ed up I tell you. I'm gonna ****ing tear these noobs a new ***!Duuuude!!!
JK...
I wasn't telling you how JK2 gameplay would be, but I gave you facts on the differance between JK and JK2 netcode. From this we can make a few assumptions. I also told you know you already know but don't want to admit; you played NF because it was easy and you couldn't handle anything else.
Listen, the day you can beat me in FF JK is the day I'll actually listen to your thoughts. Before that however they're nothing but newbie misundstandings. I've played with many of the best on the zone and got very damn good myself. You on the other hand managed to learn absolutely nothing. Your opinion isn't worth anything.
hm, although I played NF sabers in my 'prime' due to computer contraints(for 2 years I was playing JK with a below-minimum requirements pc for JK), I can still assure you its more than just lag prediction.
Eh, it's easy compared to other divisions of JK though. No aim, no item timing, fewer buttons, slower paced, no map blah blah blah I get tired of writing this. I guess you could call warping a skill but that's a lag thing :p The dominating factor is NF sabs is the lag and I know you know that. Skill only goes so far when your opponent is warping all over the map and has a ping of 500+
Torment, i noticed your from KC? where exactly?
Originally posted by Osyrus
Oct. 1998 > May 2001
So you stfu and listen.
Are you assuming that date registered on the JKII.net board implies when a person began playing JK? :rolleyes:
Well, on the whole Quake 3 thing it'll be different. I've been playing Zelda 64 for Nintendo 64 these past 2 days because I've not been at school cause of the car accident I was in. Anyways, Zelda 64 runs off the Mario 64 engine yet the two games are totally different. Which is the same thing in the Jedi Outcast v. Quake3 case. Oh and since Jedi Outcast will be on Zone does that make it slow even though the netcode is different?
zone.com will be toooo lazy and too selfish to NOT put any JK2 server online there ... so basicly it will be peer2peer again ...
eehmm lets go to gamespy and IRC ... less chance to get lag the size of zone.com :D
Originally posted by WD_ToRMeNt
Eh, it's easy compared to other divisions of JK though. No aim, no item timing, fewer buttons, slower paced, no map blah blah blah I get tired of writing this. I guess you could call warping a skill but that's a lag thing :p The dominating factor is NF sabs is the lag and I know you know that. Skill only goes so far when your opponent is warping all over the map and has a ping of 500+
Well lag is something you have to learn to work with, but it isn't the *sole* most important factor in NF sabers.
I've played both divisions, although I never put in the time neccessary to get FF tactics down to reflex due my pc limitations and my being bored of JK by the time I got a decent PC. While FF sabers/guns had additional factors to account for, nf sabers was just as difficult to master in some of the key aspects. The pace of the game isn't neccessarily something that makes it more difficult. Once you get used to the pace of speed, force speed/jump combos, etc. FF isn't neccesarily more difficult to keep up as NF sabers. The largest factors that made it more difficult, once you got used to the accelerated pace of the game, was the additional attack options and the timing in your head while playing.
hmm zone's still gonna be peer to peer? hmm The NF saberstyle will then look a bit like old JK1, timing the ping, etc. NF saberists will love this, all others will hate this style of "gaybers" ;).
I'm just happy about Zone, because this way I can still play my Australian friends, and people with 56K will also go to Zone when they can't find a good dedicated server.
It'll be laggy as hell sometimes, but hey.. at least they can play it.. and people got used to JK1's lag too. :p
I got ADSL.. im gonna play guns on dedicated servers and sabers at zone.. :p i think.. ill see... If JK2 sux, then I won't play it at all.. there's always RTCW and SOF2 will be coming out too.
It doesnt matter what the zone is, the Q3 engine is client server based. If some one hosts on the zone, he will have a ping of 0 (duh, ping with himself) and everyone else will have a ping of >0. NF sabs will not be the same. The zone may be able to display dedicated servers like GS. If they don't then no one who knows anything about online gaming would use it. Most people outside of the JK community will use IRC or GS regardless.
Originally posted by WD_ToRMeNt
It doesnt matter what the zone is.
So you're calling people JK newbies and yet you don't really know what the zone is?
Dude...
I know exactly what the zone is, it's a matchmaking service. It can NOT change the netcode of a game. Ever play Q2 on the zone? A client-server based game is STILL a c-s based game zone or not. Zone or not, every player in a game of JK2 (read client) will have a connection with no one BUT the host (read server) and the one true state of the game is held on the server. In jk everyone has a connection with everyone else and each has a slightly differant state of the game world.
JK2 will not be peer to peer like JK. The Q3 engine has been and will always be client-server. Most of the NF saberists (the ones who depend on warp and lag) are in for a nasty suprise.