First off, before I say this, I want to make it clear that I was a crafter in SWG and took great pains to make sure I was near the best crafter. I love crafting.

HOWEVER I would not want it as a class. With only 4 per side, having a crafter CLASS would be an insane waste. I'd rather it be a talent/selected pool/whatever so that I don't have to log out of my main to make whatever shiney someone needs. It seems something that would be best left to selectable rather than as a class.

I agree that it would be nice if Bioware were to go a different route than a healer class. The question becomes... "But what?"

Ok at first I was upset about the limitation of BH to Sith only. I figured that meant that it was 4 classes per side. That meant it would be severely limiting. Then I thought about it some more.

In the original KotOR we had a total of 3 classes to choose from(in the beginning). It didn't seem limiting or boring even though all 3 essentially walked through the same footsteps of each other. However with TOR, each class will have its own story line. So even IF there are only 4 per side, it isn't like other MMO's where even with 30 different classes you essentially run the same course in leveling. If they keep some of the ideas from KotOR even two Bounty Hunters may not be even near the same.

So with that out of the way, what are your thoughts on how even if it's only 4 classes per side, it could still be more diverse than games with 8 or more classes not attached to a side.

i couldnt agree more about the 4 classes per side each having unique storyline and quests .
it would be great and fun to level these class, but what about the End game,
at the end we all gonna reach the level cap and start pvping or pveing and at that point we hit the limitation of the 4 class per side, i mean in pvp u are up against 4 types of classes and in pve u r raiding with 4 classes only. it could be a little limiting imo

My thoughts:
4 classes per side:
Jedi, Trooper, Smuggler, Technical Droid
Sith, Bounty Hunter, Spy, Assassin Droid

There will be no healer class. Every class will be able to solo through most of the game per their statements, so this would lead me to believe that they are going the way of more recent Pen and Paper RPGs like Star Wars Saga Edition and D&D 4e where every class as the ability to keep themselves alive. If enemies don't heal themselves and maybe have less hit points this shouldn't be an issue.

If each class has 200+ hours of story and can take the light or dark path within their factions, there will not be a lack of options. Do you really think the path of a Bounty Hunter will be anything like that of a Trooper? Smugglers and spies will have unique paths, Bioware will ensure that. I also forsee many talent trees so that every member of a certain class will be unique. Don't forget, we haven't even gotten into the multitude of races that will differentiate us.

There won't be a crafter class. I think everyone will have access to any crafting they desire. I won't venture to guess how this is implemented, but I'd think Bioware would take cues from both SWG and WoW and come up with their own system.

What about races, i mean if one of the classes was a driod thats about it, no races of that driod or am i mistaken? it could conflict, unless there are types of driods or something

Well, there are different models for sure. One cool thing about droids in Star Wars Saga Edition is that you can upgrade their parts.

My thoughts:
There will be no healer class.

I agee with you on that, a class spot shouldnt be waisted on a healer one, healing thing should be more like a talent tree to a specific classes . but if u are saying there should be no healing specialist that could effect the end game greatly imo. after all the most successful MMOs are that way cuz of the end game style they got like WoW. there are alot to be learned from it which cant be just ignored , but am sure ppl in bioware are aware of such things and what challenge they are up against

Okay, how about subclasses?

Republic
Jedi
-Consular
-Guardian
Trooper
Smuggler
???

Sith Empire
Sith
-Lord
-Marauder
Legionnaire
Bounty Hunter
???

Now, what should the ???s be? My guess is that since you have your mage class, your soldier class, and your specialist/outlaw/assassin class, you should have some sort of support class. In Diablo II, the best example of this is the Paladin. The Paladin is a soldier who creates auras that give himself and everyone in his party insane bonuses. A support class in TOR would have to be able to stand his/her own ground, but have something beneficial to others.

My guess, based off of some other previously mentioned ideas:

Republic
Agent - Stealth and leadership bonuses, tactician who improves the coordination and strategy of allies.

Sith Empire
Assassin/Spy - Stealth and saboteur, rather than giving bonuses to allies this class weakens the coordination and strategy of enemies.

This would fit the whole thing of LS is improvement and defense while DS is damage and offense.

Both are essentially your covert class, working for the government(s) to either gain a strategic bonus to your faction or take away one from the enemy.

So....

Republic
Jedi
-Consular
-Guardian
Trooper
Smuggler
Agent

Sith Empire
Sith
-Lord
-Marauder
Legionnaire
Bounty Hunter
Assassin

i think the subclasses could be very reasonable , if it wasnt called sub-class it would be called a talent tree or something else equevilent i guess

I really don't like the idea of Droid being a class. I mean if we're going to have droids in there, they should be a playable race. There were droid smugglers, and bounty hunters out there too...

Ooooo I just thought of something... 4th class. Republic: Technician, Sith: Beast Tamer(or Slaver...).

I like your thinking. Pet classes are always fun.

I could see Droid Technician as the Republic class and Officer as the Empire class. The Officer would have soldiers as it's pets.

When thinking about the classes they have left you have to look at all the characters they have mentioned. I sit and think about who is missing. Well, first off Leia/Padme...

So this leads me to believe this game will not have a medic class or split Jedi classes. I think there will be some form of officer/leader/politician. I have seen people in other forums mention this as a possible buff class.

There were a couple interviews from E3 that confirmed 8 classes. I believe I saw them say it in video interviews. The way they have the classes to me it seems that the trinity(tank/dps/heal) is not going to be represented. I really think it will be similar to Kotor in that no one is actually a healer class. If anything the Jedi Guardian, Consular, Sentinel are really just different "trees" of talents or abilities you can probably specialize into.

Another name I thought of as iconic was Wedge but I really can't see a Pilot being a class.

What about crafters? Do you think there will be a crafter class for each side?
BioWare have stated that the classes will be 'heroic and combat oriented' [not the exact words], and that really does not lean towards having a crafter class. Crafting as an ability that characters may learn - possibly even each class to a differing degree - is a lot more likely.

On crafting thing I would LOVE to see would be Jedi and Sith crafting their own lightsabers as part of their quest/story - likely near the beginning.

i think the subclasses could be very reasonable , if it wasnt called sub-class it would be called a talent tree or something else equevilent i guess
I doubt that there will be 'subclasses' as such. I'd imagine the role of subclasses will be filled by the path each player chooses in the 'skill tree' of their character. For example a Jedi could focus on sabre skills or they could focus on Force intensive skills - thus giving the same result as having them as separate subclasses.


One other thing I've seen mention in this thread is the idea of an officer/diplomat type class. I think this could work quite well, however the same quote I mentioned in response to crafter classes has bearing here; a diplomat does not scream heroic and combat oriented. A military officer might, but the Republic already have a military class in their trooper which would make the officer somewhat redundant. And, if we are to assume BioWare's fourth character pair will fit with the vague pairing pattern we've seen so far, that would not fit.

Besides, the 'spy' class we've seen in the screenshot I linked earlier (http://www.forumsoftheoldrepublic.com/hnn-swtor-news-rumors/4684-sith-stealth-class.html#post6646) lends more merit to the idea of the last class pair being a stealthy infiltrator, saboteur, spy or assassin.
I can, however, see a Republic 'stealth class' being a diplomat type... to an extent. They would be more inclined to talk their way into/out of the enemy lines so that they could execute their objective with as few casualties and as little destruction as possible. Think Splinter Cell.
The Sith counterpart to this would be a more audacious assassin/saboteur who would kill, maim and destroy on his/her way to the objective.

*shrugs* Too many ideas in my mind...

I'm expecting "Pirate" (sith equivalent of smuggler) and "Sith Trooper" classes to be announced :)

I don't think we'll see a Sith Trooper class. I think the Bounty Hunter is the opposite of the Republic's trooper. Heavy armor and heavy weapons.
Pirate is not a bad name for the smuggler opposite though.
Here's the way I see it:
Trooper - Bounty Hunter
Jedi - Sith
Smuggler - Pirate/Spy
??? - ???
I'm still curious what the 4th pair will be.

I doubt it will be 'pirate' as it doesn't seem to be in any similar line of work to the Smuggler (that being flying about doing less-than-legal stuff :p)... more of a footsoldier than a flyboy.

The reason why I parallel Smuggler with Bounty Hunter is that they are both the semi-legal classes. A Sith Legionnaire makes sense because there needs to be a parallel with the Republic Trooper.

The Agent/Spy classes are a definite possibility. It'd also be cool if they had the unique ability to hire random mercenaries or bounty hunters.

Subclasses...skill trees...when it comes down to it, I'm betting that there will be the whole Consular or Guardian choice system. This is how much people function with the Force user class system. I just hope that they don't revive the Sentinel class: completely pointless attempt to make a middle ground that was just plain weak.

Prestige classes are a must. You should eventually be able to become a Jedi Master, Sith Lord, Sith Centurion, Republic Commander, Elite Smuggler or Bounty Hunter...etc..

I'm not sure how you compare Bounty Hunters and Smuggler. I mean, yes, smuggler can be considered semi-legal. But Bounty Hunters? A bounty is a bounty...

The reason why I parallel Smuggler with Bounty Hunter is that they are both the semi-legal classes. A Sith Legionnaire makes sense because there needs to be a parallel with the Republic Trooper.

The Agent/Spy classes are a definite possibility. It'd also be cool if they had the unique ability to hire random mercenaries or bounty hunters.

Subclasses...skill trees...when it comes down to it, I'm betting that there will be the whole Consular or Guardian choice system. This is how much people function with the Force user class system. I just hope that they don't revive the Sentinel class: completely pointless attempt to make a middle ground that was just plain weak.

Prestige classes are a must. You should eventually be able to become a Jedi Master, Sith Lord, Sith Centurion, Republic Commander, Elite Smuggler or Bounty Hunter...etc..

I don't believe that there are going to be sentinels in the games as in the trailer there were only blue and green sabers.

I have a feeling that the trroper class can supbranch into a republic pilot class

I don't believe that there are going to be sentinels in the games as in the trailer there were only blue and green sabers.

I have a feeling that the trroper class can supbranch into a republic pilot classI doubt they limit what saber color you can use based on that, you can probably use whatever color you want if you can find the right crystals. The most I can see them doing with Guardian/Sentinel/Consular is talent trees like WoW.

I don't believe that there are going to be sentinels in the games as in the trailer there were only blue and green sabers.


Again, don't base your entire perspective on a trailer that has a single purpose of promoting the game and nothing else.

I have a feeling that the trroper class can supbranch into a republic pilot class

I doubt it. Since those two classes have nothing to do with each other and Bioware has been clear about what kind of heavy duty fighter, the trooper is.

Again, don't base your entire perspective on a trailer that has a single purpose of promoting the game and nothing else.



I doubt it. Since those two classes have nothing to do with each other and Bioware has been clear about what kind of heavy duty fighter, the trooper is.

To add to that, I am sure everyone will be able to be a pilot, regardless of what their ground profession is.

I don't see the point, unless you can control an aircraft.

Else you might as well call it Scout/Reconnaissance Unit. That would maybe even allow for some healing aspect. Pilot is too defined. I would find it silly if I played a class called Pilot and never ever had an aircraft I could use at the same time.

It makes so little sense to me.

PS.

Hunted, do you mean in the sense of there being an expansion at some time, introducing space flight?

I doubt they limit what saber color you can use based on that, you can probably use whatever color you want if you can find the right crystals. The most I can see them doing with Guardian/Sentinel/Consular is talent trees like WoW.
I'm of the same opinion as you here. I simply cannot see a full class (even a subclass) being created for separate specialisations of Jedi/Sith.

Hunted, do you mean in the sense of there being an expansion at some time, introducing space flight?
I think he's speculating that we will all have our own ship for interplanetary travel, making us 'pilots' - whether or not we physically fly the ship as a player.

In the 2nd developer dispatch video, Hall Hood made said this about Ord Mantell:
There are people who will steal your starship if you’re not careful.
Which may have been a meaningless analogy or perhaps it was a slip of the tongue regarding interplanetary travel in SWTOR ;)

I'm not sure how you compare Bounty Hunters and Smuggler. I mean, yes, smuggler can be considered semi-legal. But Bounty Hunters? A bounty is a bounty...
It's still in the semi legal zone, but politicians will ignore it because the elite of the Galaxy often depend on Bounty Hunters to get certain tasks done.

"Imperial commando" and "Pirate" were mentioned in the latest Threat of Peace :)

Well I don't know about pirate, but Imperial Commando is a definite indication of a possible class.

Updated Version:

Republic
Jedi
-Consular
-Guardian
Republic Trooper
Smuggler
Agent

Sith Empire
Sith
-Lord
-Marauder
Imperial Commando
Bounty Hunter
Assassin

I'm going to be the Moisture Farmer class, it comes with a T-16 for ****ing up Womp Rats.

I assume the classes will be
- Jedi Consular/Master
- Jedi Guardian/Weaponmaster
- Smuggler
- Trooper

- Sith Lord
- Sith Marauder
- Bounty hunter
- Pirate

Not too much, but definitely balanced. I wonder if you'll be able to upgrade your stuffs like in TSL.

"Imperial commando" and "Pirate" were mentioned in the latest Threat of Peace :)
The mention of pirates is barely worth noting; especially as it does not come to anything.

The Imperial Commandos are worth noting, but I do not see these commandos being a class in the game as that would be to make two classes that are virtual carbon-copies of each other - something I do not suspect BioWare want to be doing with their classes.

Again, I'll also mention that I cannot see BioWare taking up four whole class slots with Sith and Jedi.

Again, I'll also mention that I cannot see BioWare taking up four whole class slots with Sith and Jedi.
Same here, especially if the classes were from the SW D20 system that they specifically said they weren't going to use (and don't really match the iconic feel they're going for, since there were only 4 Force users in the OT and they didn't seem too worried about labeling themselves).

Hmz...just a thought (assuming there will be at least 3 talent trees)

Tank: Jedi, Republic Commando, *Sith class* , Sith (since troopers are know to use blades in close-combat, with the right talents they could be tanks).
DPS: Jedi, Smuggler, Sith, Bounty Hunter again, with the right specs.
Healing: Republic Commando (medic tree), Jedi, Sith, *Sith class*
Ranged: Republic Trooper, Smuggler, Bounty Hunter, *Sith class*
AoE: Republic Trooper, Smuggler, Bounty Hunter, *Sith class*

I think this looks pretty balanced.
If I look at the gaps...a Tank, healer, ranged, aoe....I think it could very well be a Hunter-Killer droid.
We know there are medic droids, medic could be a talent tree. Their strong armor could be used for tanking (which would mean it could be a melee droid as well). And AoE and Ranged speaks for itself. :)

And even if you take out the healing, that could be done by a Bounty Hunter (thinking of illegal stims and such here) it could be possible.

Maybe the classes will be........

REPUBLIC
Jedi Guardian
Jedi Consular
Trooper
-Officer
-Commando
Smuggler

SITH
Sith(lol)
Bounty Hunter
Trooper
-Commando
-Officer
Assasin

Jedi - Sith (obviously)
Trooper - ?Pirate?
Smuggler - Bounty hunter
?Technician? - ?Assasin Droid/Spy?

The Bounty Hunter wears heavy armor and on the website it is across from the Trooper. I think it's a safe bet that Trooper and Bounty hunter are counterparts.

Trooper - Bounty Hunter

And we know there's a Smuggler and some sort of sneaky Sith class (from videos and screenshots).

Smuggler - Sneaky Sith (Pirate, Spy, whatever)

The Jedi and Sith are obviously in the game and are counterparts

Jedi - Sith

The last pairing is where we have the conundrum. I'll agree that making droid as a class is limiting. Many would not want to play a droid, which would eliminate 25% of their choices. It's better to make the droid a race.

I don't think we'll see a medic class. The most recent Star Wars RPG (Saga Edition) has 5 classes: Jedi, Noble, Scoundrel, Scout and Soldier. No "healer" class, but everyone has a heroic surge mechanic to heal themselves and get back in the fight. Each class could have some kind of health recovery/damage mitigation mechanic. In addition, we know that we'll be fighting multiple weaker enemies instead of single enemies with tons of HP, so healing might not be as necessary as it has been in other MMOs.

Let's look at another source for inspiration, D&D. In D&D there are 4 roles: Defender, Striker, Controller, and Leader.

Defenders are the meleers who can soak up damage. Let's say this role is Jedi/Sith.
Strikers are single-target damage dealers. Lets say this role is Smuggler/Pirate.
Controllers are AOE damage dealers and condition givers. Let's say this role is Trooper/Bounty Hunter.

That leaves Leader as the 4th role and I think it's safe to say that this role isn't filled by any of the classes introduced so far. Perhaps an officer class is in order for both sides, to give buffs to others and perhaps get more out of companions.

Trooper - Bounty Hunter
Smuggler - Sneaky Sith (Pirate, Spy, whatever)
Jedi - Sith
Officer? - Officer?

Thing is, Jedi/Sith fit all the four roles depending on their class and Force powers. I guess the 4th class must be a really versatile one, since there's the Feat focused class (Trooper/BH), the Skill focused (Smuggler/Sneaky one) and the Force focused (Jedi/Sith).

Being a droid might be limiting - still, playing as HK-47 would be badass.

Being a droid might be limiting - still, playing as HK-47 would be badass.

...its 200 or 300 hundred years past kotor 1 and since in tsl which is what 3 years after k1 they were hk-50's they would be at like atleast Hk-80 probably over 100

...its 200 or 300 hundred years past kotor 1 and since in tsl which is what 3 years after k1 they were hk-50's they would be at like atleast Hk-80 probably over 100

My guess is that you'll be able to be a droid as a RACIAL choice rather than a class choice. Of course, droids can't be Jedi....OR CAN THEY? ::drool::

My guess is that you'll be able to be a droid as a RACIAL choice rather than a class choice. Of course, droids can't be Jedi....OR CAN THEY? ::drool::

No they can't but they can kill Jedi:p:fire11:

Of course, droids can't be Jedi....OR CAN THEY? ::drool::

Well.... Grevious was getting pretty close if they gave him a gadget that did a power wind gust from his hand for a second he could be the next best thing o_o

I'm curious if they'll allow Wookie or Ewok Jedi....
Also, will the Sith (the class, not the faction) all be human?

Well it says that the sith you play as are people going to korriban to take the trials to join to sith. (your a random force sensative going to a academy) and bounty hunters well are any race since recruited.

Ewoks can be force sensitive... but wtf ewok jedi D:! Force sensitive Wookiees are very rare... and i mean REALLY rare. The sith are not limited to humans... any evul force sensitive can be sith

I'm curious if they'll allow Wookie or Ewok Jedi....
Also, will the Sith (the class, not the faction) all be human?

Sith will be multi-race, as I assume all classes will be.


Also, Lucas put an end to ANY more wookiee jedi. The force unleashed devs wanted to make the main boss a jedi wookiee and lucas fired up apparently.


But yeah, no more wookiee jedi in EU or games. Ever.

^^^Actually got fired up about making Hanharr even force sensitive for TSL.

I really want to play an Ewok Jedi. That would be badass.

Actually Ewok anything would be badass.

I really want to play an Ewok Jedi. That would be badass.

Actually Ewok anything would be badass.

How are ewoks badass? They are primitive little creatures from endor D:

Sith will be multi-race, as I assume all classes will be.


Also, Lucas put an end to ANY more wookiee jedi. The force unleashed devs wanted to make the main boss a jedi wookiee and lucas fired up apparently.


But yeah, no more wookiee jedi in EU or games. Ever.

I think a Trandoshan Jedi (or Sith) would be fun

My guess is that you'll be able to be a droid as a RACIAL choice rather than a class choice. Of course, droids can't be Jedi....OR CAN THEY? ::drool::

NK Necrosis

How are ewoks badass? They are primitive little creatures from endor D:

That's the point. It's a cute little fuzzy guy that can whoop your ass.

That's the point. It's a cute little fuzzy guy that can whoop your ass.

Evil stuff ahead!

I'll decapitate them with my saber and feed their heads to kath hounds :dev7: Bwahahaahahahahahahaha