Not necessarily true Jae, You look at the demographic of those who refused to pay for it as negative income. You don't want to keep making games for those that won't pay for it.
aside: I think for the most part this is why there is a trend away from PC games that only include the initial purchase price as the total cost. I also think that is the reason for the trend to MMO marketing for PC games.
On Topic: Women and gaming are as varied as men in their play style preferences. (generalization warning)They do however present a challenge in that they also tend to expect more of a story than men. Catering to this would not harm gaming for other gamers, but it would require more thought put into the games. Though I guess it's possible it would negatively impact the hackandslashinstantactionbigboomies gamers.
there is always FPS for them, they would just skip the dialogues and go straight for the kill everything in sight primary missions.
Plus, we already establish that we will NOT care for the highheels lady gamers, as they already have myspace as the playground. We don't really need a myspace simulation game.
Though I guess it's possible it would negatively impact the hackandslashinstantactionbigboomies gamers.
FPS and hack and slash games don't really need a story anyway, so I doubt it would make a difference anywho.
FPS and hack and slash games don't really need a story anyway, so I doubt it would make a difference anywho.You're not serious, are you? Some of the best (and most enjoyable) SP campaigns I've ever played were FPS or hack'n'slash. If little boys just want to shoot things, that's why games have multiplayer and/or bot matches. :)
You're not serious, are you? Some of the best (and most enjoyable) SP campaigns I've ever played were FPS or hack'n'slash. If little boys just want to shoot things, that's why games have multiplayer and/or bot matches. :)
"ok Hank, there's some baddies on the next level, avoid the snipers, kill them all."
shoot...shoot...shoot...grenade...win!
"okay hank, there's a big ugly alien on the next level protected by snipers. kill them all and grab the box of alien goo."
shoot shoot shoot....rocket launcher....win!
yeah...FPS really need a story....no, they just point you in the right direction and tell you who to kill.
Didn't Diablo II had some nice long dialogues/ monologues in between the endless slauthering of critters, daemons and other various evil incarnations.
Somehow I just enjoyed it for hours and I could again...
yeah...FPS really need a story....no, they just point you in the right direction and tell you who to kill.
Allow me to disagree. Heard of little something called Bioshock?
Besides, that's why we have plot on all games, isn't it? An excuse, or motivator, for the slaughter or fun to take place and still make sense (or not).
The FPS plotline (or lack thereof) should be in its own thread--topic is still 'female gamers'. ;)
there is always FPS for them, they would just skip the dialogues and go straight for the kill everything in sight primary missions.
Plus, we already establish that we will NOT care for the highheels lady gamers, as they already have myspace as the playground. We don't really need a myspace simulation game.
The point is that spending a little extra time developing a story through the game might be seen as a negative for the ones that just want the instant action. Ya know more like, "Oh <insert diety>, more plot. I just want to get back to fighting." Honestly though if it attracts more females to games, I can't see spending a little extra time in development to come up with a good story.
Another thing that might help is not being so mammary focussed in the character design. And for that matter not being so freaking focussed on gaining biblical knowledge of every female in the game.
I could live with the option of altering cup-size and coverage. That way, if I wanted a B-cup girl covered up to some level of decency, I could have that, and the boys could still have their half-naked EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-cup.
You could alter cup-size via the console in VTMB, but they looked ridiculous (yes, being male I had to check it out :D) and the bewbz were big enough in that game anyway. ;)
I could live with the option of altering cup-size and coverage. That way, if I wanted a B-cup girl covered up to some level of decency, I could have that, and the boys could still have their half-naked EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-cup.
QFT!
Another thing that might help is not being so mammary focussed in the character design. And for that matter not being so freaking focussed on gaining biblical knowledge of every female in the game.
Yeah, frankly, I could do w/o a lot of the "romances" you get in games.
The problem with romances in games is usually there's not enough character development (on either end) to make it believable. I can be convinced that people can fall in love very quickly... but I mean come on. Some of these even push that envelope.
The problem with romances in games is usually there's not enough character development (on either end) to make it believable. I can be convinced that people can fall in love very quickly... but I mean come on. Some of these even push that envelope.
Revan and Bastila immediately come to mind.
I know a lot of people complained about the lack of romance in K2, but I say good riddance. Mr Avellone has admitted in the past that he can't write romances, and so he has given up even trying (unlike some people we know :p).
He could have delegated the romance part to one of the other writers on the team. I expect that in a game (especially as they get shorter), the romances are going to be rather superficial. I'm from Wisconsin after all, and I do know my cheese. However, I still like having the 'hero and heroine save the world and fall in love' option at least.
I'm from Wisconsin after all, and I do know my cheese.:rofl: Jae, you make my day. Consistently.
I think the 'superficial love story' is what attracts some people. Finding that 'special someone' in real life is hard enough. Games are meant to be ideal, no? Fall in love in 5 mins: perfection!
I may have said it was unrealistic, but I don't think I ever said I didn't like it -- or expect it in a game, for that matter. :p
Of course my hidden point was "make KotOR longer! >.>" *dons halo*
I'm from Wisconsin after all, and I do know my cheese.
No limburger, please. :xp: I appreciate options as much as anyone in gameplay, but agree with JCarter that the absence of it in TSL didn't bother me. If it DOES have to be there, make it fun (not mushy/sappy).
Something to make the blood of a female gamer possibly boil (or snort in derision, anyway).
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article3613881.ece)
It bothered me because it wasn't absent -- it was there, but you couldn't do anything with it. Since they cut out half the game, you got a broken half of a romance arc. That's obnoxious -- you either have to add it or not add it. You can't go halfway >.>
*Jae adds website to list of sites blocked on home computers so kids will never see that kind of crap*
That sounds like a horrible game!:/
Looks like I have to add a new site to my router's block list.
It bothered me because it wasn't absent -- it was there, but you couldn't do anything with it. Since they cut out half the game, you got a broken half of a romance arc. That's obnoxious -- you either have to add it or not add it. You can't go halfway >.>
Yeah, I was thinking in terms of a resolved (however halfassed) romance angle. In TSL it's like a big tease act b/c of its being rushed to market. Chalk it up as one more incomplete aspect of an otherwise decent game.
@Death's Head: That game is an abomination, and this is coming from a man. I loathe bimbo-ism with every fiber of my being.
Not that I don't like hot chicks; I just don't think that bimbos are hot. ;)
Heh, well to add my two cents to this topic, I know that there are masses of Atton Rand fangirls out there, who plead and beg on more than a few TSL forums for an Atton romance enhancement.
I mean, have you seen how many Exile/Atton fanarts are out there?
I can't say I minded having a rather cute scoundrel hitting on you...mainly in the beginning of the game, though from a plot perspective, it did need something more. Didn't you get annoyed at the fact you could only ask him for a game of Pazaak half the time?
I liked the KOTOR system, i.e after gaining a bit more experience, you progress your plot with each character.
It worked well and it felt more...real. TSL was indeed rushed and even if I loved the story to death, I was highly disappointed.
The games I truly respect and find playable are the ones with a good, intruiging plot, in-depth characters, challenging yet rewarding gameplay and versatile enemies. KOTOR had this, TSL did not as much.
Anyway, I have rambled on long enough. :3
The main point was...though I didn't get to it, that a good romance plot can be key to a good story. After all, every story has some kind of love in it, you can't deny that.
What Bastila and male Revan had, in my opinion, was passion and hormones. Not love. They had the bond, but not the connection. The male Revan dialog to Bastila is over the top bad, and sounds like a 16 year old boy talking to his high school girlfriend. It felt pushed. It felt needy.
Yep...that's exactly what it was. I imagine Juhani to better understand, and feel, love but by all accounts she never found her partner.
Avery, what you have here is a man who is intellectually stunted owing to the fact that the Council mindscrewed him and a woman who's suppressed her emotions her entire life (The man did that too, but that was years before). This isn't something to be surprised about.
I was just reviewing this thread for a female gamer thread over in gwguru, and thought I'd ask this question.
What could a Kotor MMO do to enhance playability and enjoyability for both genders? Are these things going to be different for the genders, and if so, how? Are there going to be similarities? If so, what would those be?
I don't think there's anything that could tempt me to play a KotOR MMO. I had my fill of 10 year olds running around screaming and yelling and ganking my kills when I played SWG. ;)
Although strip pazaak would be a start. >.>
Strip Pazaak.
Nah, anything with 'strip' in it loses it's appeal if it's not real. :lol:
Although strip pazaak would be a start. >.>
:lol:
That strongly depends on how realistic the model is. For instance if Grey Edwards from the Final Fantasy movie (
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/gray_edwards.jpg) (as bad as it was) played strip poker in the film, it would've had more female viewers I guarantee. :drool1:
That strongly depends on how realistic the model is. For instance if Grey Edwards from the Final Fantasy movie (
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/inyri/gray_edwards.jpg) (as bad as it was) played strip poker in the film, it would've had more female viewers I guarantee. :drool1:
C'mon everyone, I think Inyri needs some alone time... :xp:
What could a Kotor MMO do to enhance playability and enjoyability for both genders? Are these things going to be different for the genders, and if so, how? Are there going to be similarities? If so, what would those be?
The only thing I can think on is a strong social feature, but that's intrinsic to any MMO out there.
I don't think there's anything that could tempt me to play a KotOR MMO. I had my fill of 10 year olds running around screaming and yelling and ganking my kills when I played SWG. ;)
Ditto
While I have never played an MMO. I have had my fill of idiots playing multiplayer games. When I do play online. It is usually a game that the button mashing ADHD consolized generation of 13 year old kiddies tend to stay away from. I was following a LotR:O thread on SA until the idiots popped into the thread.
As an older male gamer, for me story is paramount. Secondly would be gameplay. There is no way Old Republic MMO can make the story interesting enough for me to play it.
If we're still on topic, yesterday, the guys in my music analysis were all shocked when I pulled out game informer. It was a little funny, especially cause right after, I checked my horoscope in my Seventeen.
I'm just glad girl gamers are becoming more socially acceptable with games appealing to all like Guitar Hero and DDR.
Reminds me of the time I was with my boyfriend and his friend and I mentioned modding and they all looked at me funny. We were playing laser tag. What did they expect?! :xp:
Reminds me of the time I was with my boyfriend and his friend and I mentioned modding and they all looked at me funny. We were playing laser tag. What did they expect?! :xp:A barrage of laser fire.
I'm from Wisconsin after all, and I do know my cheese.
:lol:
Something to make the blood of a female gamer possibly boil (or snort in derision, anyway).
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article3613881.ece)
Oh wow o_Q
:(
I find it amusing that it only attracted 200,000 users in the UK, but immediately attracted 1.2 million in France. Poor France. :p
Ditto
While I have never played an MMO. I have had my fill of idiots playing multiplayer games. When I do play online. It is usually a game that the button mashing ADHD consolized generation of 13 year old kiddies tend to stay away from. I was following a LotR:O thread on SA until the idiots popped into the thread.
As an older male gamer, for me story is paramount. Secondly would be gameplay. There is no way Old Republic MMO can make the story interesting enough for me to play it.
Quoted For undeniable Truth. That is the reason I almost never play any of the Halo games online. That is why I play Burnout a lot, which doesn't require button-mashing, and needs a lot of concentration.
The Bimbos online thing is a lawsuit just waiting to happen. I can't wait to see the look on the creator's face when he gets sued because some nine year old starved herself to death trying to be a bimbo.
I'm still amazed how this conversation got around to porn stars from a website for kids and teen girls, on a thread about female gamers.
That's why, in my female wisdom, I got rid of those posts. :D --Jae
I find it odd that the gaming club at my school only has four girls and 40-60 boys. :/
I find it odd that the gaming club at my school only has four girls and 40-60 boys. :/
Not that surprising to me, given the "nerd" label often applied to gamers by non-gamers, and the locker room culture that often exists in gaming communities. I know a few girls who use male-sounding names and male avatars when playing multi-player games just to be left alone and treated as equals. :)
How is your club treating those girls, Arcesious?
Not that surprising to me, given the "nerd" label often applied to gamers by non-gamers, and the locker room culture that often exists in gaming communities. I know a few girls who use male-sounding names and male avatars when playing multi-player games just to be left alone and treated as equals. :)
It's definately more acceptable to be a female video-gamer than it is a female wargamer.
We only had one girl in our wargaming group, who left soon after joining because she was often patronised for being interested in what, to many outsiders is often seen as a pursuit for beardy old men with an extreme interest in history.
At least with video-gaming they can hide their identities. (no disrespect intended, ladies)
I guess this is kinda off topic from what is being talked about right now, but it is *in* topic if you were to just look at the thread.
Something that has always really annoyed me is the fact that you can't choose to be a female/male in Battlefront I and II. Sure, there is a female sniper, but I don't like to constantly be a sniper.
Yeah I know you really have to play as a male when you're playing as the Republic, and there aren't female storm troopers. But you could have female Imp officers, and also you could have any female unit for the Rebels...
So yeah, that's always something that had bugged me. I love Battlefront, but not the fact that it isn't really female/male gamer friendly.
(And yes, I'm a girl.... I *still* get people who think I'm a guy... Despite my username... People with alot less gender neutral usernames are known to be girls... so as to why it's not just a given for me is still a mystery to. =P)
I know a few girls who use male-sounding names and male avatars when playing multi-player games just to be left alone and treated as equals. :)
I have indeed been known to do that.
I got called a he yesterday. It's something you either get used to or you asplode. :lol:
I know a few girls who use male-sounding names and male avatars when playing multi-player games just to be left alone and treated as equals.I've done that before. I also set my gender to male in skype to get random 24 year old men to stop calling me.
It worked.
I got called a he yesterday. It's something you either get used to or you asplode. :lol:
Inyri... You're a GIRL! @_@
Just kidding, I knew that.
But yeah, I've gotten used to it, but I don't really need to that much anyway.. Because it doesn't happen too often. XD
(back to female gamers) This has probably already been said, but, also in KOTOR I think that the females were gypped of a romance, in both I and II, the guys get these amazing storylines (espicially in I)... and the females don't even get a kiss like male Revan does.... *oh well* (Thank god for mods =P)
(And yes, I'm a girl.... I *still* get people who think I'm a guy... Despite my username... People with alot less gender neutral usernames are known to be girls... so as to why it's not just a given for me is still a mystery to. =P)
I have indeed been known to do that.
I am consistently mistaken for a girl when I play a female character in MMOs, for some strange reason, I like to give my character a name, instead of "gankerkiller134234", it's like somehow you're a guy in a game if your gameworld revolves around being a jerk and killing people at random, and you're a girl if you're interested in character and story.
I generally answer people with: "do you ever feel stupid assuming that a female character means there's a female player?"
What happened to make so many male gamers seem to only be intersted in the violent aspects of a game? Personally I'd attribute it to marketing, making it look like that's the only way to be a "man".
Inyri... You're a GIRL! @_@
Just kidding, I knew that.
But yeah, I've gotten used to it, but I don't really need to that much anyway.. Because it doesn't happen too often. XD
(back to female gamers) This has probably already been said, but, also in KOTOR I think that the females were gypped of a romance, in both I and II, the guys get these amazing storylines (espicially in I)... and the females don't even get a kiss like male Revan does.... *oh well* (Thank god for mods =P)
Neither gender got a good romance in TSL because Chris Avallone doesn't like to write romance tracks for games.
I actually think that the females got a better romance in K1. They both had issues that they had to work out. The male romance had the feel as something straight out of Jr high.