I aggree the Ebon Hawk was cool but it does die on Malachor. Go to the menu and go to movies and go to like the "death of the ebon hawk"or something like that, dont quote me on the name. but it does show the Ebon Hawk falling into the depths of malachor and it is destroyed.
Personally I think G0T0 is the only interesting character in TSL and the only one with a backstory.
I agree! G0-T0 is also a true patriot of the Republic... Once you start talking to him he is really cool!
but it does show the Ebon Hawk falling into the depths of malachor and it is destroyed.
Or so they want you to think! :xp:
I don't really care about whether the Ebon Hawk makes a comeback, but I definitely do not want a new story: it would make the ending of TSL a hundred times worse than it already is. Besides, most of the events in the two games, barring the Mandalorian Wars, took place because of Revan's realisation of a Sith'ari threat and you need to know how this is resolved since it's such a fundamental part of the story.
And by "need to know how this is resolved" I mean actually playing it, not confirming or disconfirming a rumour you're told by a guy in a force cage in an asteroid mining colony 100 years later.
Hm let me think. I most definitely don't want to start as a non-Jedi character or a Jedi without a lightsaber suffering some type of amnesia again ~~
Taris was cool in KOTOR, Peragus II was already kinda lame til the arrival of the Harbinger, you don't have not nearly as much things to discover like you can on Taris. A similar scenario for the beginning of KOTOR III would just be poor imo...
Concering the story:
The devs should stay with the plot for KOTOR III in the storyline of KOTOR and TSL. To start a completely new setting and leaving the old one so incomplete as it is now, that'd be so stupid that it is unlikely already.
Spontaneously there's a few characters I don't want to see again in KIII
- Disciple no, no, no, NO!
- Hanharr OR Big Z, I'm not a wookiee-type
- GO-TO - A droid with an agenda, C'mon, we already have HK-47 for that.
The Old Republic
I will presume you are sarcastic, because you might as well suggest they should skip lightsabers, spaceships, aliens, action and the roleplaying in the game.
What????? Are you crazy? The story is unfinished. I want to know what happened to Revan and what happened with the true sith. Leaving the story like this is like saying..."Oh, you know Bob? Something happened to him."
I don't have a problem with that. I DON'T want to know what happened to Revan. I have my own ideas about him. Revan is the "Neo" of the Old Republic. He is left the saviour and badass at the end of the Matrix, then his mystique is shattered in the sequels. He was made out to be a cool cat and got the ultimate perfect ending in the first movie and what happened when they told the rest of his story? I could hardly wipe my a$$ with the quality of it. A half-a$$ed attempt at making it epic... failing in the worst possible way (epic has nothing to do with the techno-kung-fu vibe of Matrix). I would rather not have Revan meet the same - half-assed attempt at making him epic - fate.
No, Revan is the mysterious lonely hero. There is no need to play or see his end. His mystique is a part of what makes him so good/cool/gnarly/awesome/etc. That's why we like him.
As for the Exile I don't CARE what happens to that idiot.
But ok, I'll give it a chance as long as the writers of K3 are not the ones responsible for TSL.
I think that Revan is a must in KOTOR 3. He was the main charater in 1 and was mentioned throughout 2.
I also like Korriban. It was my favorite planet in 1 but I agree something new needs to be added.
My favorite aspect of both are the tombs. In 1 where you visit the 4 on Korriban. And in 2 where you visit Freedon Nadd. I like the suggestion of Yavin 4 for two reasons. I think this would be a great planet to visit to give us a new look at Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope....also we could visit the tomb of Exar Khun. (sp?)
Have to stay....
1} Revan..I like revan....I know I will get a lot of responses back ... but In my humble opinion...the most powerful Sith Lord ever..this is his story
2} T-3 and HK are a must...they are the C3 and R2 of knights.
3} Carth....only if I can kill him
4} Tombs...they have been important parts of the first two and a personal fav
5} Romance...male and female
6} Jedi Robes...light and dark side...different options
7} Side quests...Main charater and minor characters..need more
Have to go....
1} Go-To has to go....terrible
2} Too long without a lightsaber
3} Old lady Sith
4} Manaan, A toothache playing that planet.
Some of my thoughts so far.....I'm sure I will have more
I personally would really like to not see T3 or Carth in the next game. Also I'd like to maybe see some more new armor skins in the next one, as opposed to just taking them from K1 and recoloring them.
As far as the Hawk goes... The exile could have taken it and pissed off to where ever he went and you could get the Millenium Falcon to go chase after him. By episode IV the Falcon was already supposed to have been around more than a t'wilek dancing girl in the Nar Shaada red light district, so why not incorperate some Falcon back story into KOTOR 3? Like how it was first commisioned to be your high speed, heavily armed personal transport blah blah blah. And G0-T0? More like "Got to go". As a playable charachter he was just stupid. Why not have him be some kind of boss (not a big boss, just some low level pain in the butt boss) and have a mission where HK gets to blow the $hit out of him, assasin droid style? Have a mission where the game gets all "splinter cell" for a little while. HK's always whining about not getting to do assassin type stuff, so why not?
Oh and don't make the ending stupid this time! What the hell was with TSL's ending? What a bag of A$$!
OK, this may go off the topic of what should NOT go in, but that last thought you brought up, Obi-Wan Bubbles, really sounds great.
K2 already had T3 solo missions (and that stupid protocol droid one). I'd really be looking forward to some HK-47 solo action.
Things I definately DO NOT WANT in Kotor 3:
1. The same damn game engine. The engine was already dated when the first game came out. License an engine from someone else. Not only will it very likely look and perform better, but it will also free up time for developing other aspects of the game.
2. A Xbox version first. Here's a better idea; develop the PC version before the Xbox version. What this will do is make a better performing and much more stable version of the game, and what with the extreme similarities between PC and Xbox coding, it would probably work out for the best, making the game stable on BOTH systems, with very few bugs (related to performance at least)
Now on to what I DO WANT:
1. Better voice acting. I know it is a Star Wars standard as of late to have almost forced acting, but let's work on that a bit eh? While you are at it, put in more body language and movement animations for when someone is talking. Watching the NPCs have siezures while talking got kind of old.
2. Better quality cut scenes. The pre-rendered cut scenes in this series is disappointing to say the least. With the resources available, I would think they could get better cutscenes.
3. More time in SPACE. Maybe implement a Freelancer style gameplay for some space battles and exploration, instead of just clicking a button and suddenly being at a planet.
4. Finally, although I know many people will hate me for saying this, but the game needs a change in pace. It needs a new combat system, with smoother, more cinematic animations. The combat queue was a great way of doing things, but they need something new.
what i DONT want in kotorIII is RACISM. i have seen alot and enough of it in kotorI. i havent played kotorII yet so i dont know if there's any in it, so dont spoil anything for me.
I aggree the Ebon Hawk was cool but it does die on Malachor. Go to the menu and go to movies and go to like the "death of the ebon hawk"or something like that, dont quote me on the name. but it does show the Ebon Hawk falling into the depths of malachor and it is destroyed.
o on the contrary my friend, if you watched it, it falls and then when you defeat kreia, the academy starts to fall then the ebon hawk rises up and takes you off into the unknown regions, and also wouldnt goto and remote be gone? if they were to stay on Malachor V to keep the generators from failing, then u float off into this mist of colors as i would say, am i not right?
what i DONT want in kotorIII is RACISM. i have seen alot and enough of it in kotorI. i havent played kotorII yet so i dont know if there's any in it, so dont spoil anything for me.
Huh? Racism? Against aliens or against "human races"? I still have no idea what this post is about.
Huh? Racism? Against aliens or against "human races"? I still have no idea what this post is about.
There is racism on Taris and in the Juhani quest in K1. The sith are racist, (don't ask me why considering that some sith characters are aliens), both in K1 and in the movies, (although this doesn't come through very well until you read the novelizations of the movies).
Huh? Racism? Against aliens or against "human races"? I still have no idea what this post is about.
lots of racism on taris. the old guy preaching about how humans should destroy all aliens. how the kids were beating up the alien. oh and that anti-cathar idiot.
1. Better voice acting. I know it is a Star Wars standard as of late to have almost forced acting, but let's work on that a bit eh? While you are at it, put in more body language and movement animations for when someone is talking. Watching the NPCs have siezures while talking got kind of old.
Voice acting in the two games so far was very good in my opinion, and certainly not as forced as it was in the recent films. But I do agree that the cutscenes themselves were very static and more movement and action would be very welcome.
what i DONT want in kotorIII is RACISM. i have seen alot and enough of it in kotorI. i havent played kotorII yet so i dont know if there's any in it, so dont spoil anything for me.What's wrong with racism in the game? Racism exists and closing your eyes to it won't prevent it. As ugly as it is, I'm glad that the game acknowledged it's existence if only as a reflection of our own society. It's not a fault if a game isn't purely about escapism.
What's wrong with racism in the game? Racism exists and closing your eyes to it won't prevent it. As ugly as it is, I'm glad that the game acknowledged it's existence if only as a reflection of our own society. It's not a fault if a game isn't purely about escapism.
I fully agree. I thought there was some racist comments that were glorified or something.
In the game, racism isn't glorified at all. The man on Taris gets flak from your NPCs because of his propaganda.
The game shows how racism is. Does it mean it's a bad thing? Yes, racism is bad, but not facing reality is worse. If people close their eyes on such important issues, where will the world go?
The game shows all kinds of social issues and sheds some light on them in a caricatural way.
Oh... I have one more thing to add.
I want new planets. Maybe some more time in the core instead of the outer rims. Like make the starting planet Coruscant or something.
Racism has been a part of Star Wars since '77...
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Revan officially male. Also i don't want that stupid turret game in kotor III. It's too damn easy. But at least in KOTOR II the game didn't feel the need to have the fighters attack you every other planet you went to late in the game. Try going between planets in KOTOR when you need to find the last Star Map and you'll see. Very annoying.
Now that I think of it:
I don't want the game to be fundamentally the same for both DS and LS characters. Sure you get a different cut scene at the end if you are light side or dark but other than that what is different? You can still use DS powers if you are LS it just costs more FP. Even quests that are DS are still available you just take a DS hit.
The light and dark sides are quite different so the game should feel different. Things like specific quests, NPC's, maybe even planets should be available to only one side.
Plus as some of the threads have stated the way you interact with people should change. More sick and twisted dialog options to DS players. Like when you could get Zalbarr to kill Mission. That is a real Sith Lord option. Not give me 50 credits or else but using your malevolent will to twist others to do your horrible bidding.
The options could also change based on prestige class. More violent ones for the evil Weapon Masters, more explorative options for Assasins. And for Sith Lords, my favourite class, have them be able to break the will of people to do your bidding. Its not just about fighting but feeling like a Jedi or a Sith.
Also like in Fable the world could react to you and the aura you present. Some good people will not talk to you if you are evil or may run away. Provides a reason why you don't get certain quests.
Also some people will be attracted to you or even fight you. So basically the galaxy changes somewhat and reacts to your alignment. Just do the opposite for the good side, but I think the options for LS PC's are already pretty good but for evil ones its pretty horrible. I'm a Sith Lord not a ****ing Sith Thug.
Now that I think of it:
I don't want the game to be fundamentally the same for both DS and LS characters. Sure you get a different cut scene at the end if you are light side or dark but other than that what is different? You can still use DS powers if you are LS it just costs more FP. Even quests that are DS are still available you just take a DS hit.
The light and dark sides are quite different so the game should feel different. Things like specific quests, NPC's, maybe even planets should be available to only one side.
Plus as some of the threads have stated the way you interact with people should change. More sick and twisted dialog options to DS players. Like when you could get Zalbarr to kill Mission. That is a real Sith Lord option. Not give me 50 credits or else but using your malevolent will to twist others to do your horrible bidding.
The options could also change based on prestige class. More violent ones for the evil Weapon Masters, more explorative options for Assasins. And for Sith Lords, my favourite class, have them be able to break the will of people to do your bidding. Its not just about fighting but feeling like a Jedi or a Sith.
Also like in Fable the world could react to you and the aura you present. Some good people will not talk to you if you are evil or may run away. Provides a reason why you don't get certain quests.
Also some people will be attracted to you or even fight you. So basically the galaxy changes somewhat and reacts to your alignment. Just do the opposite for the good side, but I think the options for LS PC's are already pretty good but for evil ones its pretty horrible. I'm a Sith Lord not a ****ing Sith Thug.
Yep, yep, yep, yep! I totally agree with everything here. Just one thing, though. In order for alignment based triggers to work correctly they're going to have to make the influence system work correctly. My NPC's alignments jump around even at 100% influence and Zez Kai Ell's response to my presence on Nar Shaddaa is random...if I am LS and have run around and helped everyone he still sometimes says I am a bad person or vice versa, but most of the time he says I have done bad things and good things and is confused by my presence. You don't want to be playing a game where quests are triggered by your alignment and get quests that are opposite of what you should get because the alignment/influence system isn't working properly.
What I don't want:
The same control scheme on the PC that is unlike most 1st/3rd person games.
Why not allow my character to move laterally to go around obstacles instead of turning around and running in a tight circle? I really don't want to have to hold down my right mouse button to move.
What I do want:
The equivalent of the NWN Toolset, 3DS Max import/export scripts and some documentation.
I really don't want to have to hold down my right mouse button to move.Why don't you just use keys? I never use the mouse for movement...
Frankly, Nothing against next gen, but I certainly hope
that it comes out for the OG Xbox. It was KOTOR that
inspired me to buy the 'Box in the 1st. place.
Sure, I imagine that it will wind up on 360 anyway, but
the stuff that made this series great has little if anything to
do with cutting edge graphics and framerate (hahhah)
and instead represents a killer story, and great characters
that are often more real than the film series' cardboard cutouts.
Nuthing against Billy Dee and Harry Ford, but Hailey Joe, and the
other Ani, this means YOU!
Well chances are the things I don't want have already been said but I don't want to read the whole thread to find out.
1) Nar Shadaa - For the love of god! Never take me back to that god-for-saken planet!
2) Bao-Dur - Completely useless and an annoying voice.
3)A new PC character - It needs to stay as either Revan or the Exile, don't bring in a new character.
4) Bastila not being a recruitable character - She is the greatest NPC in either game so we need her as a recruitable character again!
5) The game to be half finished - No more cut content, we need a full game!
Well so far that's all I can think of. These are my main not-wants for K3.
EDIT: Oh yeah one last thing
6) The same engine - The KotOR I engine is a little dated now. We need a brand-spankin' new style for KotOR III
Things I'd like to see in KOTOR III:
1) Play as Revan or the Exile, no need for a new character.
2) Bring some of the characters from the other games back - Bastilla, Atton and maybe a few more.
3) Offer some more alien speak. It gets so repetitive and annoying. They can be saying a 3 word dialogue and he can be goin' on for ages.
4) A few more Planets would be cool.
5) I'd like to see more of the HK droids, I thought that was a nice idea.
That's it for now - I'll try and think of some more.
Things I DONT want:
New PC
New storyline
New droids
G0-T0 - there is only one evil droid. I only want to see him if he's been rerogrammed as a tea-serving wench-droid.
Nar Shadaa
The Handmaiden,The Disciple, Kreia, Bao-Dur, Atris, crappy sith lords, or Hanharr.
A dead planet.
NPC's with bugger all dialogue - bring back the rich diversity of K1!
Stuff being cut left right and centre
Bad storyline, full of "themes"...
almost no cantina's - I want one on almost every planet! Pazaak, juma and swoop racing for all!
All the "The Jedi are dying" crap.
Things I DONT want:
...
All the "The Jedi are dying" crap.
This annoyed me greatly in TSL. What made K1 so cool was that, the jedi were at their prime, they had a working organisation and they were MANY! You could talk to many different Jedi to get their view on the Force or on life or just ask for advice or help them with some quest or get trained. You got a feeling of being part of the Order. In TSL you get jack-sh*t! There are no other Jedi, you are the last one, you are so badarse that you are the last one and you will rebuild the jedi because you are so badarse.
I do NOT want an uberl33t jedi who RoxX0rZ teh big!11!1111! because he is teh only 1 jedi left!
I want the Jedi Order restored so we can interact with it, to see how it works, to get a feel for how it is to be a jedi. That's what role-playing game's are about. It would be nice if you start off as a padawan and the training level is at a Temple, you make it through the training and you get a cool cut-scene of the ceremony where you are made a knight. The rest is epic.
That dumb looking Ebon Hawk. I mean if it didn't look like an alien sex toy I could cope...
Drop that stupid thing. I was so hoping we'd get a different ship in TSL, it killed me it got rebuilt at Peragus. I thought, "ripper, the Ebon Hawk's wrecked!" at the prologue, "now I'll get a different ship."
Then you're stuck with it leaving.
The one thing I do not want to see in KotOR 3 is the Ebon Hawk, unless it's being blown up and replaced by something that doesn't look like a stapler stuck to a folded paper plate.
This annoyed me greatly in TSL. What made K1 so cool was that, the jedi were at their prime, they had a working organisation and they were MANY! You could talk to many different Jedi to get their view on the Force or on life or just ask for advice or help them with some quest or get trained. You got a feeling of being part of the Order. In TSL you get jack-sh*t! There are no other Jedi, you are the last one, you are so badarse that you are the last one and you will rebuild the jedi because you are so badarse.
I do NOT want an uberl33t jedi who RoxX0rZ teh big!11!1111! because he is teh only 1 jedi left!
I want the Jedi Order restored so we can interact with it, to see how it works, to get a feel for how it is to be a jedi. That's what role-playing game's are about. It would be nice if you start off as a padawan and the training level is at a Temple, you make it through the training and you get a cool cut-scene of the ceremony where you are made a knight. The rest is epic.
That sounds great. Perhaps on the flipside, if we chose to play darkside, we could see the same sort of thing at a sith academy/dark jedi order.
That dumb looking Ebon Hawk. I mean if it didn't look like an alien sex toy I could cope...
Drop that stupid thing. I was so hoping we'd get a different ship in TSL, it killed me it got rebuilt at Peragus. I thought, "ripper, the Ebon Hawk's wrecked!" at the prologue, "now I'll get a different ship."
Then you're stuck with it leaving.
The one thing I do not want to see in KotOR 3 is the Ebon Hawk, unless it's being blown up and replaced by something that doesn't look like a stapler stuck to a folded paper plate.
There's nothing wrong with the Hawk. I suspect that it might be back because many people do like it. Plus it has the added benefit of not having to have a new design/progamming team or the time it would take to do it. Another benefit it has is the ability to carry your whole team. I personally wouldn't mind a new ship. It would make sense to have a new one, considering that the Hawk took Exile to the outer rim. But I will say that any unneccesary thing that pushes back any projected release date (even though one hasn't been announced as of yet), I am against.
That dumb looking Ebon Hawk. I mean if it didn't look like an alien sex toy I could cope...I love the Ebon Hawk. Personally, I hope it is back for K3. Each to their own I guess...
I really don't want a storyline full of plot holes and dialogues that repeat indefinitely.
Yep, in fact it is all that matters, isnt it?
I think i will not play (at, to ?) any more LA game without insurance of having a finished game :blast5:
^ call Geico, I think they sell unfinished game insurance
^ call Geico, I think they sell unfinished game insurance
That would turn your PC into a gecko.
Wombats.
I don't want Wombats in KOTOR 3
Wombats.
I don't want Wombats in KOTOR 3
Say What?
Things I DONT want:
...
New storyline
Do you mean that you want KotOR III to start from where KotOR II left off and have the story continue as either Revan or the Exile?
Things I DONT want:
New PC
New storyline
New droids
G0-T0 - there is only one evil droid. I only want to see him if he's been rerogrammed as a tea-serving wench-droid.
Nar Shadaa
The Handmaiden,The Disciple, Kreia, Bao-Dur, Atris, crappy sith lords, or Hanharr.
A dead planet.
NPC's with bugger all dialogue - bring back the rich diversity of K1!
Stuff being cut left right and centre
Bad storyline, full of "themes"...
almost no cantina's - I want one on almost every planet! Pazaak, juma and swoop racing for all!
All the "The Jedi are dying" crap.
WORD. Although I would like some small cameos.
Carth is very annoying he must go! also the ebon hawk must be shaped like a tomato YES a tomato!(I like ketchup)
Meh, ketchup is sub-par.
Anyway, I'd love to see Carth again. I too hope he dies, but for different reasons. We don't see enough main-character deaths in the other two. Other than that:
1. New PC
2. Ebon Hawk (I mean, I don't care if we see it or not, but I want a new ship.)
3. Villain death by lightsaber (ok, every single KotOR villain goes down in combat. Every one. It's getting awfully dull. Can't we have a Sith Lord in a fighter, and you have too shoot him down? That would be so cool. Or something like that.)
Well, Kreia, in the LS ending, kinda trips on her own. :P
I love the Ebon Hawk. Personally, I hope it is back for K3. Each to their own I guess...
I like it to but if they decide not to go with the Revan and Exile story then they will have to get rid of it.
I like it to but if they decide not to go with the Revan and Exile story then they will have to get rid of it.
And with TSL's ending the probability of them making such a decision is?
I would like to see a full and complete game. for me tsl was made to fast and didnt play well to me.
things i want to see
a good betrayal, possibly one of your allies is a spy(not like Kreia).
interesting characters, most likely a love triangle.
Huge choice of characters, possibly the ability to leave one for another.
corusant(battle ravaged possibly)
things i dont want to see
weak characters
weak story plot
dantooine
btw i hold no love for t3 m4, but hk47 is cool
And with TSL's ending the probability of them making such a decision is?
KotOR II had an ending? Wow I thought my game stopped working :p .
Ok, here is what I don't want.
Waiting for a long long time to get either your lightsaber or your force powers.
No more droids except for HK-47 and T3-M3.
That dumb looking Ebon Hawk. I mean if it didn't look like an alien sex toy I could cope...
Drop that stupid thing. I was so hoping we'd get a different ship in TSL, it killed me it got rebuilt at Peragus. I thought, "ripper, the Ebon Hawk's wrecked!" at...
BLASPHEMY!!! The Ebon Hawk is the Millenium Falcon of KOTOR, I do not want to see some stupid sith ship that goes about as fast as if somebody had gotten out and was pushing it like people have suggested!!! (I stop as my house is shattered by the power of my force scream)
Well, sorry....anyways, as i was saying,
I do not want to see areas that look exactly like some places in the first and second KOTOR.
A terrible storyline that feels like the game is some sort of weird expansion pack.
Revan and the Exile showing up wearing hoods and masks with no face, no alignment, and no gender. There better be some way we choose what they look like.