I'm curious if anyone has any info on whehter or not there will be an expansion for JKA or perhaps even JK3?
Originally posted by xirr2000
I'm curious if anyone has any info on whehter or not there will be an expansion for JKA or perhaps even JK3?
*cough*Some would argue that Jedi Academy is already like an expansion pack for Jedi Outcast*cough*
(You want an expansion for an expansion?)
C'mon ... JA is *neither* an expansion *nor* is it JK3. It is an evolutionary sstep, like Elite Force 2 was to Elite Force 1.
I seriously doubt we'll see an expansion. The game sold very well, but I think Raven is too busy and it doesn't make sense to bring someone else in.
Mike
If ever they make a Jedi Knight III there's going to be a lot of confused people.
Jedi Academy has many names, JKA, JK3, JKIII and JA.
People just get confused because they think that Jedi Academy and Jedi Knight 3 are both different games.
Ah, sue lucas arts then :p
j/k
I don't think JKA is JK3, it's just it's own side game built off the JK engine.(technically anyway, it felt very much like an expansion to me as well) I'd like it if Raven continued on with this series as it's own.
What the heck are you people thinking? JA is JK3 it says on the cd case Jedi knight jedi acadamy so if it says jediknight it has to be jediknight! It is not jk1 or jk2 nor jk4 that leaves us with one choice jk3!
C'mon guys lets not confuse the other new people ok?
ppl get confused because some say JA is JK3 and the game itself is not JA but JK3 or JKA if you know what i mean.
Guys, Jedi Knight, Kyle, Jan, Tavion, this is indeed JK3, and I don't expect an expansion.
Does it matter?
I think the question is - do we, as a group, expect a Jedi-based expansion (or even new) game during 2004? Or even in 1st half 2005?
My guess is NO for 2004, and we'll have to wait and see what EpIII tie-ins they do for 2005. Hopefully something good (keeping in mind that JKII came out a few months before EpII).
Mike
Originally posted by TK-8252
Umm... JKA is JK3. False.
Originally posted by Prime
False. Actualy Prime it is true look on the cd case!
Jedi Academy was originally going to be an expansion pack for Jedi Outcast, but grew much bigger than expected, so they made it a standalone game. Because it wasn't meant to be a sequel to Jedi Knight II, but it was somewhat part of the Jedi Knight series, they just simply branched it off as a sort of "side" Jedi Knight game. Thus there was no III as it isn't, and never was supposed to be, a sequel to Jedi Knight II.
I think that the next game may be what some of the Raven guys were speculating about. They thought that Jedi Knight III would follow Kyle's son, and the game would use the Doom 3 engine...this seems fairly plausible although it was just speculation, albeit speculation done by Raven. ;)
Originally posted by txa1265
C'mon ... JA is *neither* an expansion *nor* is it JK3. It is an evolutionary sstep, like Elite Force 2 was to Elite Force 1.
I seriously doubt we'll see an expansion. The game sold very well, but I think Raven is too busy and it doesn't make sense to bring someone else in.
Mike
Thank you for taking the time to actually answer my question (which seemed pretty straightforward to me) rather than debate naming conventions.
Too bad. I can only hope that with the next one (whenever that may be) they might be able to add in a toolset like NeverWinter Nights to let people create their own modules. With a dedicated fan base like the ones on these boards I bet there would be some serious module mania going on. Although Lucas would no doubt be upset that people were creating Star Wars based entertainment without him getting a penny, I bet this fact alone means it would never happen.
Dark Forces, Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, ay caramba!
So maybe you could help explain this one:
First there was this:
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Then this:
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Then this:
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So shouldn't Rambo III actually be called Rambo II, or First Blood III: Rambo II?
Originally posted by Mercenary
If ever they make a Jedi Knight III there's going to be a lot of confused people.
Hehe, indeed. I think we've seen first hand the problems of changing the name of a games franchise every new release!
What about Megaman? They had Megaman 1-20 or something, then MegamanX1....X2...X3.....then it got really confusing when the X series of supposed prequels seemed to extend beyond the originals.... Or Street Fighter - Street Fighter II, Street Fighter II Turbo, Super Street Fighter II, Super Street Fighter II Turbo, Street Fighter III, Street Fighter Alpha, Street Fighter Alpha2....what the hell?
I can't see there being an expansion for JA, I hope they decide on a full game version but that is, I think, a few years off at least, with Raven so busy on other projects.
OK, the argument about what Jedi Academy is actualy called.
well I have the case in front of me, it says "STAR WARS JEDI KNIGHT: JEDI ACCADEMY, they could have called it "JEDI KNIGHT III: JEDI ACADEMY" but as that is not as snappy they dropped the III, note that the previous game was called "JEDI KNIGHT II: JEDI OUTCAST" just because it has a sub title does not mean it is a new series or an expansion pack.
Of course we could say it is the forth game in the dark forces series so mabey it should be called "STAR WARS DARK FORCES IV: JEDI KNIGHT III: JEDI ACADEMY" or SWDF4:JK3:JA for short, I prefer the name they used.
I think the next game will be "JEDI KNIGHT IV: SOME FLASHY SUB TITLE" but again they will probably drop the IV. and they should use a new engine next time round (QUAKE IV?).
Developers from Raven have already stated on these very boards that JA was not JKIII. JKIII, if there ever is such a thing, will be the continuing adventures of Kyle Katarn.
I always presumed that JA is an expansion to JO, and that the reason they decided to make it standalone is so that it could reach a broader audience besides just only owners of JO.
I am kind of hoping that they don't make another sequel, I hate sequels, you don't fully know what is going on unless you have played the previous games, and you feel like you missed something if you have'nt played the first. I would like to see a whole new combination Jedi and FPS type game that is totally unrelated to the others.
If Raven chooses to make another SW game it will most likely be done in the Doom3 engine:D . We probably won't see it for a long time though, because they are working on Quake4 right now.
Originally posted by xirr2000
Too bad. I can only hope that with the next one (whenever that may be) they might be able to add in a toolset like NeverWinter Nights to let people create their own modules. With a dedicated fan base like the ones on these boards I bet there would be some serious module mania going on. Although Lucas would no doubt be upset that people were creating Star Wars based entertainment without him getting a penny, I bet this fact alone means it would never happen.
I'm not sure what you mean by that...if you mean a level editor, then yes if JKIII uses the Doom 3 engine then the editor will be built into the game engine. If you mean a modular editing system, then the answer is no...that type of system just doesn't work for a FPS. Level editing requires skill and is closest to modeling a model in a 3d program (even more so with modern games like Doom 3 which have a great amount of their levels modeled in a program like Lightwave rather than Radiant). Any editor who would actually create a decent level would also have the skill to create it properly (and in fact, if the level was actually to be decent, it would have to be done by hand. FPS's require much more detail than RPG's, which can usually get away with cut paste methods without the levels looking too repetitive), so the only thing that would happen is that a flood of crappy levels would choke level sites, making it harder to find quality levels. Also, George Lucas doesn't have anything to do with Lucasarts...if there's anyone to blame, blame the idiot Lucasarts sales people who just cancelled Sam and Max 2.
Originally posted by jon_hill987 and they should use a new engine next time round (QUAKE IV?).
There is no Quake IV engine...Quake IV uses the Doom 3 engine.
Originally posted by Imperial_thug If Raven chooses to make another SW game it will most likely be done in the Doom3 engine . We probably won't see it for a long time though, because they are working on Quake4 right now.
Actually, fortunately, Raven has many development teams, which means they can develop multiple games at the same time. Raven has been working on Quake IV for 2-3 years already, so I'm sure they've got a team or two available...
Okay, JKA, JA, JK3, JKIII, and JK5 are the SAME thing.
First of all, there are four other Jedi Knight games:
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces I, Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II, Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith, Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, then Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
I have no clue why Jedi Knight II wasn't called "Mysteries of the Sith II" or "Jedi Knight IV" (it technically is the fourth one). Jedi Academy might have been an expansion pack at first for Jedi Knight II, but I really don't know. Jedi Academy is definitely its own game. Jedi Academy is technically "Jedi Knight V"
I hope that finishes this thread and answers all your questions.
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Originally posted by majinrevan
Okay, JKA, JA, JK3, JKIII, and JK5 are the SAME thing.
First of all, there are four other Jedi Knight games:
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces I, Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II, Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith, Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, then Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
I have no clue why Jedi Knight II wasn't called "Mysteries of the Sith II" or "Jedi Knight IV" (it technically is the fourth one). Jedi Academy might have been an expansion pack at first for Jedi Knight II, but I really don't know. Jedi Academy is definitely its own game. Jedi Academy is technically "Jedi Knight V"
I hope that finishes this thread and answers all your questions.
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Nope. Dark Forces was the original series name (there were no Jedi in the original game) It goes like this: Dark Forces, Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith, Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
MotS was sort of a side game that came after Jedi Knight, except that it required Jedi Knight to play (I think it could actually technically stand on it's own, but they made it an add-on anyway...). It did not follow Kyle (except for the first 2-3 levels...the rest had you playing as Mara Jade), and it's interesting to note the similarities between it and Jedi Academy. Jedi Academy is a lot like MotS, in that you play a different character from the game that came just before it. They're both a side game that follows up to a previous "true" Jedi Knight series game and runs on an improved version of the earlier game engine. The difference is Jedi Academy doesn't require that you have Jedi Outcast to play. And, it is ture that Jedi Academy was originally supposed to be an add-on to Jedi Outcast...I think that's one of the reasons for it's weaker story and it's tying up of the loose Tavion bit that was left over from Jedi Outcast.
Originally posted by majinrevan
Okay, JKA, JA, JK3, JKIII, and JK5 are the SAME thing.
First of all, there are four other Jedi Knight games:
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces I, Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II, Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith, Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, then Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
I have no clue why Jedi Knight II wasn't called "Mysteries of the Sith II" or "Jedi Knight IV" (it technically is the fourth one). Jedi Academy might have been an expansion pack at first for Jedi Knight II, but I really don't know. Jedi Academy is definitely its own game. Jedi Academy is technically "Jedi Knight V"
I hope that finishes this thread and answers all your questions.
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Actually this thread isn't at all about the naming conventions of the various Jedi Knight games. It got hijacked by someone attempting a sarcastic reply to my pretty simple original question and spun off into a different subject that seems to evoke some strong emotions from certain people for unknown reasons.
My question did get answered though, in case anyone out there was losing any sleep over it :)
I personally hope the next JK game is just as compatible as JKA is to JO. It would be a shame not to be able to port all these fine models over to a later version.
There already is a JK expansion. It is called Mysteries of the Sith.
Originally posted by Emon
There already is a JK expansion. It is called Mysteries of the Sith. So true, strange that no one has brought that up before you.
Seriously, back to JK"3". It's really different on how you view it. If you want to get technical, it's really another JK, as said on the CD case. STAR WARS JEDI KNIGHT: JEDI ACADEMY. But this *is* the next game in Raven's Kyle Katarn games, even if you don't ever play as Kyle, he's still a very important role.
there should be a sequel to JA using the havok engine.
Take your complaints to the marketing gurus at LucasArts & Activision. ; )
"jka" = worst abbreviation ever.
Raven's too busy with Quake4 and another title to work on a JA expansion...
but honestly, what would the expansion include anyway? mini dagger sabers? lightsaber ninja stars? Jedi knight has had its time.... it's been spent :P
There's 2 other SW FPS in the works, both of which look pretty damn good so far.
All signs point to no expansion :P
which is good, because if it didnt meet expectations, all hell would break loose. People complained about JA enough as it was.... an expansion has to be near perfect to gain any sort of credibility.
Gonk, you do realize that Raven is capable of working on multiple projects right? Like Mike G could be working on one project, whereas say Mike Majernik could be working on a separate project.
And for the record, Kenn Hoekstra who is Project Administrator, and also Public Relations/Marketing, and also General Game/Technical Support, has publicly announced in an interview that Jedi Academy is NOT Jedi Knight III. It is simply a new chapter in the Jedi Knight series, but he or another Raven employee DID say that this would likely be the LAST jedi knight game to use the Q3TA engine.
In reality, the game title could be Dark Forces : Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy but thats kind of lengthy and since Katarn is no longer a merc, the Dark forces story no longer ties into the current series, hence the dropping of the Dark Forces portion of the game.
Yes, but what im saying is, generally they allocate certain team members to certain projects...and dont have one guy working round the clock on 2 games... theyd have 2 teams
The guys who worked on JA and such have probably moved onto another project, and wouldnt work on another JK game until that one was done, as theyd probably want mostly the same people working on it.
Meh, there may well be. But i hope there's not.
There is no official "expansion" planned for JA.
And yes, the next JK game will probably be on another engine of which would probably be Doom 3.
And yes, it should be hell yeah.
If LucasArts and Raven dont start immediate work on a major release based on the doom3 engine to coincide with the release of Episode 3 they need to hire a better market strategist.
make it a single player I dont care.
it could be a beautifully rendered Vader Duel based game that would make peoples jaws drop.
I can do with out an expansion if that happens.
Originally posted by StaffMaster
If LucasArts and Raven dont start immediate work on a major release based on the doom3 engine to coincide with the release of Episode 3 they need to hire a better market strategist. Does DOOM III even have a solid release date? For all we know it may not even be able to coincide with the Ep 3 release :)
Marketing can't work miracles...
:o
I actually meant the next game in the series. JKIII, JKIV or whatever it's called. I did not mean literally a sequel to the game "Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight".
I agree that the multipule name changes is very confusing, but as a follower of the LucasArts games since the X-Wing and Rebel Assault days, I consider this a Dark Forces game.. no mater what it's called these days.
Not having played it but just from what I've read, would the D3 engine really work for a JK game? It's slower and works on more realistic movement speed, just the opposite of the type of thing we have going in all the JK games, and I'm not sure the engine would be able to handle that sort of speed on most systems. That said, if that meant a game where you could use the saber while standing in place I would be very happy.
Originally posted by SpaceButler13
Not having played it but just from what I've read, would the D3 engine really work for a JK game? It's slower and works on more realistic movement speed, just the opposite of the type of thing we have going in all the JK games, and I'm not sure the engine would be able to handle that sort of speed on most systems. That said, if that meant a game where you could use the saber while standing in place I would be very happy.
The Doom 3 engine will do whatever developers want it to. Quake III was a very fast paced multiplayer arcade-like game, but Call of Duty (which used the Quake III engine) is a slow paced singleplayer game...completely different from Quake III. Also, Quake IV is using the Doom 3 engine, and it's going for a faster paced gameplay with terrain and vehicles and stuff (as a sequel to Quake II, not Quake III). The engine doesn't determine the gameplay.
Wot about using the half-life2 engine? raven could start work now, I mean its not like you havent been able to get the engien code on the net for months!
but joking aside it would look briliant if the did use half-life2. the lip sync would be beter for a start (u seen the gman vid?).
Originally posted by jon_hill987
Wot about using the half-life2 engine? raven could start work now, I mean its not like you havent been able to get the engien code on the net for months!
but joking aside it would look briliant if the did use half-life2. the lip sync would be beter for a start (u seen the gman vid?).
They want to use the same Quake engine, because jk2 was using the Quake III engine, so is JA, and so will the JA expansion. (if there is one)
Originally posted by |GG|Crow_Nest
They want to use the same Quake engine, because jk2 was using the Quake III engine, so is JA, and so will the JA expansion. (if there is one)
For everyones sake, and their sake, I sincerely hope not. The quake 3 engine, althought sturdy and good, has passed it's time. It's outdated and ugly. HL2, doom3 and unreal engines are going to become market standard, along with the game specific ones.
Originally posted by GonkH8er
For everyones sake, and their sake, I sincerely hope not. The quake 3 engine, althought sturdy and good, has passed it's time. It's outdated and ugly. HL2, doom3 and unreal engines are going to become market standard, along with the game specific ones.
Which is why Call of Duty looks like crap :rolleyes:
But I essentially agree with you Gonk
(only calling you that because it is anathema to your av ;) )
New engines did not make a great showing in 2003 - Unreal II, Deus Ex 2, no-shows Doom III and HL2. Far Cry looks absolutely gorgeous - but I've seen plenty of non-human ragdolls (not as bad as Postal 2, but ... ) and the good old die-through-the-object fun.
*IF* there were to be an expansion, in which case it would need to be out soon (next 3-4 months) to not interefere with Battlefront or RepCom, I wouldn't mind it being Q3 based.
Beyond Sept or so, I hope they would be working with new engines for a 'new paradigm' Jedi game.
Mike
Originally posted by jon_hill987
Wot about using the half-life2 engine? raven could start work now, I mean its not like you havent been able to get the engien code on the net for months!
but joking aside it would look briliant if the did use half-life2. the lip sync would be beter for a start (u seen the gman vid?).
The Source engine (that's what Valve calls their engine) isn't really all that great...it's just been heavily hyped. Except for the animation, the Unreal engine has better features than the Source engine. Hell, except for the animation, a heavily modified Quake III engine could be just as good. The Doom 3 engine is just as good animation wise, and it has lip sycing as well...it's just that id Software assumes that such things are the standard and they don't hype it up like Valve does.
Well, seeing as how Raven announced that Jedi Academy would be the last Jedi Knight game to use the Q3TA Engine, I wouldnt be surprised if there isn't an expansion. I would just theorize that LucasArts and Activision, Raven Software's parent company, would have Raven use either the Unreal engine, or possibly a different engine. I just hope they dont use the Doom3 Engine.
Originally posted by Andy867
I wouldnt be surprised if there isn't an expansion. That's putting it mildly.
Well logically if LA DID give Raven the go-ahead to make a JA expansion (let's say sometime between the release of JA last September and now) they would HAVE to use the Q3 engine.
I mean would you honestly expect them to learn a brand new engine just to make a few more maps, models and skins for JA?
That just wouldn't be worth their time or money.
I doubt there will be one, hence all the free stuff Raven guys have helped get released for it like the Bonus Mappack, Asteroids, etc.
For a glimpse of a modern Raven expansion, check out the one they did for Elite Force. It was a pack of MP maps and a "virtual tour" of the USS Voyager for SP (which included a few mini scenarios).
Not a chance in my opinion. otherwise, why all the bonuses?
Exactly my thinking.
Plus they'll have their hands full anyway focusing on Quake IV.
Which would likely be the basis for JK3 if there will ever be one.. LOL