To clear things up:

By "noob" we don't refer to people who are new to the game. Noob means something entirely different. It refers to idiots who yell "CHEATERLAMER!!!1" if you grip-kick them. People who kick vote you off the server for "laming" when you use guns (guns = lamorz). People who suddenly turn off their saber when you're in mid-air DFA'ing and then run to the admin telling him to ban you for being dishonourable. People who abuse admin powers whenever someone does something "lame" like beats the crap out of Mr. Admin or uses a move/combo/power/gun in a way that Mr. Admin doesn't approve of.

Nobody (well, almost) complains about RPG-people on their isolated RPG-servers. It's just that EVERY ffa-server is filled with idiots who (god-knows-why) assumes that everyone else must live by their Code. On top of enforcing their stupid Honour Codes they also seem to be hypocrites. The second someone is labeled "lamer" (f.ex. if he kicks someone to death) everything goes. Suddenly all Honour is set aside and it's perfectly fine to empower yourself and grip the "lamer" to death then put him to sleep and go stand next to his helpless body and tell him just how "noob" he is.
Or perhaps Mr. Honourable Jedi'o just feels like fooling around...which means he can do all kinds of "lameing" but OMG if someone even looks at him the in the wrong dishonourable way... :rolleyes:

That's what I'm complaining about. That's what must not become of JA. I'm sure you see my point.

Chatboxes are in Quake3. It wasn't something that was added to JO just because people whined.

So noob is nothing but a normal curse now? Or how do you call it? It's just namecalling now? You say that you hate ppl who call you lamer, but you call them noob too! Even if they aren't a real newbie!

So why don't you just call them RPers or whiners or something? The use of the word noob can be pretty confusing :) In any way, you shouldn't just fight here with GC256, since I think he's not the kind of "noob" you are referring to...

Like I said, I really don't support the Honor Code. But I certainly HAVE seen some of those that have completely whipe me off the map with their lightsabers.


I come in, we initiate in a duel, he bows, I do the same, and we engage in a fight. I get beaten, " Good fight", blah blah. And I await for my next duel. Sure the player may put saber off and sit in the corner, telling everyone that he is changing something, but there is nothing wrong about this, at least in duel mode.

I don't like the honor code, but to say that those who do follow it can't play the game, and have no skill, is utter bull****.

I didn't know I was fighting with GC256. My complaints are directed at the rpg-saber-noobie-fanboi(/whatever you want to call them) people who ruined JO and are now trying to ruin JA.

GC256 does not seem to understand that this is a game that has no honour code. A game that has no rules. There is no such thing as "honour" in a computer game. There might be honour amongst your clan mates, sure. You may have a secret Jedi hand shake or whatever, but in a worldwide multiplayer game you can not assume that the 5 year old from India and some guy from Finland plays the game the way you want.

Do you see me trying to force everyone to fight only with medium stance (cause red is lame and blue = no skillz)? Of course not. That would be utterly stupid. That would be what 97% of people today are doing on servers.

You don't have to be a jerk just because you dont follow some code. If everyone could comprehend that they can not force their rules upon others, we'd all have fun.

Saber down = peace? Why? Not in my book. I see no reason for this rule. I see no reason why anyone would be saber down in a deathmatch. I've been killed countless times (and rightfully so) by people who have their saber down. It's a stupid rule that Mr. Honourable follows when he feels like it, Mr Casual Gamer is not aware of, & Mr. Play-to-win couldn't care less about.

Do you understand why it is troublesome that some people expect me to acknowledge this rule or some other silly rule in a game with no rules? It results in WHINING and there's nothing I hate more than whining. Every time I hear "You LAMED MEEE" I feel like strangling the whining idiot IRL.

To sum up: HONOUR CODES = WHINING. WHINING = BAD. HONOUR CODES = BAD.

That doesn't mean that I couldn't nod to a friend ingame. It doesn't mean that I'd have to kill someone who is AFK over and over again. Everyone can play the way they want to BUT QUIT BITCHING ABOUT HONOUR BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN A VIDEO GAME!

Thank you. :)

Pardon my ignorance, I'm not much of a [MP] player, just the occasional Jedi Master ...

But doesn't FFA stand for 'Free For All'? Which is defined as "A disorderly fight, argument, or competition in which everyone present participates"?

:confused:

Mike

Originally posted by txa1265
Pardon my ignorance, I'm not much of a [MP] player, just the occasional Jedi Master ...

But doesn't FFA stand for 'Free For All'? Which is defined as "A disorderly fight, argument, or competition in which everyone present participates"?

Tends to be more like "walking around Bespin saber down trying to look all Jedi while performing various emotes like kissing and sitting"

On most servrs you might get to fight but only if someone accepts your duel-challenge (happens occasionally). This way you get a honourable one-on-one fight where guns and force are out (even though it's a Full Force FFA All Weapons server, lol!) and kicks don't hurt.

Failure to comply with the honour code that the admin in question enforces at that time results in being slapped/sleeped/whatever after which you must say: "Yes, kind powerful Sir Admin-89, I admit I did a horribly unhonourable thing. You are right, I'm a lamernoob and not worthy to gaze upon your magnificence. I swear I'll never do that again. Sorry. Yes, I understand. Sorry again. Please don't hurt me anymore."

:rolleyes:

*rolls eyes* And people wondered why I stopped playing MP. Anyway I think this little phase sums it nicely "Each to their own."

For the record:

1-I am very "newbie friendly". Always have been, always will be. New guy asks me a question, I take the time to answer it and help him out.

2-I have no problem with role playing. I have no interest in doing it myself, so I never have once in my life set foot on an omni mod server. They obviously enjoy what they do on their rpg servers so I see no reason why I should go there and ruin it for them. The omni mod crowd does not come to our servers and demand we all pretend to be space bar tenders. They are players just like us enjoy something and are respectful enough not to try and enforce their will upon others.


3-My definition of a noob: A person who does not understand what is going on, yet instead of asking questions like the "newbie", he flames the living hell out of you because he can't accept his own ignorance.

Example.

I grip kick a "newbie" to death.

Newbie "Hey how did you do that move, I've never seen that"



I grip kick a "noob" to death.

Noob "WTF ***hole stop ****ing hacking! ADDDMIIINNN!!! KICK HIM HE'S ****ING CHEATING!!111"


Newbies may have no clue what they are doing but they are not bitter little trolls who vote people off servers because they can't cope with losing, unlike noobs and their "lamer!!!" bull****.

And what Luc said about "Honor" people being the biggest hypocrites in this game could not be truer.

Go look through some of the threads in the Valley that I posted demos in.

It never fails, oh sure they preach honor and respect but the second you bull doze them they call you every four letter word in the book, gang up on you, cry to an admin to sleep/kick you or even the admin himself uses that garbage from the admin mods to empower himself and "teach you a lesson".

Funny thing is, even an empowered admin is pretty easy for me to take out so you can only imagine what kind of a blow to the "I'm a real jedi!!!" ego that must be for him so I'm sure you can guess what comes next...

/kickban

Originally posted by JaledDur
Chatboxes are in Quake3. It wasn't something that was added to JO just because people whined.

Chat boxes were not seen until 1.03. That means 1.02 was played without *surprise!* CHATBOXES! Now you go ahead and cycle back through the VotJ forum and count all the whining due to chat kills, especially during the 1.02 era when there were no chat boxes.

Here's your complementary shovel, the stables await.

Origionally posted by Luc Solar
Tends to be more like "walking around Bespin saber down trying to look all Jedi while performing various emotes like kissing and sitting"

On most servrs you might get to fight but only if someone accepts your duel-challenge (happens occasionally). This way you get a honourable one-on-one fight where guns and force are out (even though it's a Full Force FFA All Weapons server, lol!) and kicks don't hurt.

Failure to comply with the honour code that the admin in question enforces at that time results in being slapped/sleeped/whatever after which you must say: "Yes, kind powerful Sir Admin-89, I admit I did a horribly unhonourable thing. You are right, I'm a lamernoob and not worthy to gaze upon your magnificence. I swear I'll never do that again. Sorry. Yes, I understand. Sorry again. Please don't hurt me anymore."

Booyah!

I actually like the chatboxes, they really don't cause to much of a problem imo.

Okay so I'm back. Curiosity got the best of me, what can I say. I will not argue with any of you anymore but I'd just like to clear a few things up.

1. I don't like Star Wars. Never have, never will. So don't go assuming that I love RPing or whatever. I just play JK2 for the fun of it. I don't feel like a Jedi when I run around.

2. I enjoy fighting just as much as the rest of you. See, I think you guys seem to be misunderstanding something. Just because a server has "honor codes" doesn't mean that everyone is RPing. For example, the server I play in is usually in Bespin or Deathstar most of the time. So, heres what happens. An FFA is taking place in the middle of the map (Streets, hangar depending on the map) while the people who don't feel like fighting keep their sabers off and watch/chat/whatever they want. I'm always in the middle of the fight, killing whoevers in my way, but if I see someone who doesn't threaten me, I won't go for the cheap, unsatisfying free kill.

3. Please don't criticize the way I play. It may shock you, but the majority of servers in the game follow the Saber down=peace rule. That is the purpose of admins, by the way. Lamers are not appreciated in these servers. In fact, my old clan, DLO, was dedicated to setting straight these lamers. (DLO stands for Death to Lamers Order)

Thanks a lot. You play your game your way, I'll play mine my way. I paid the money for the game and no one's stopping me from playing how I (and many other people) enjoy playing the game.

Originally posted by GC256
I don't like Star Wars. Never have, never will.

Burn him!!!

Originally posted by GC256
1. I don't like Star Wars. Never have, never will. So don't go assuming that I love RPing or whatever. I just play JK2 for the fun of it. I don't feel like a Jedi when I run around.

Wow ...

I'm not going to say anything about how you or anyone else chooses to play - I think that so long as everyone can find a place it is fine by me.

It is just that you don't like Star Wars ... yet you play JKII. I love JKII, it is my favorite game ever, but I hold no pretense that JO, JK/MotS and DF are my 3 favorite games at least partly because they are Star Wars based action games ...

Mike

Originally posted by txa1265
Wow ...

I'm not going to say anything about how you or anyone else chooses to play - I think that so long as everyone can find a place it is fine by me.

It is just that you don't like Star Wars ... yet you play JKII. I love JKII, it is my favorite game ever, but I hold no pretense that JO, JK/MotS and DF are my 3 favorite games at least partly because they are Star Wars based action games ...

Mike

LOL I hear that!

Okay I apologize, I was a bit too harsh on you Star Wars fans. I must admit, Star Wars is pretty cool. I have the Phantom Menace on tape and the Clone one on DVD. I've also seen the first three and they were alright. Just not my cup of tea. ;) . I like JK2 because it's an awesome action game. It also got me a tad more interested in the Star Wars universe as well. Don't you guys think that's good though? A great quality game like JK2 can bring in all types of people, even though they may not like Star Wars. To me, that shows what a great game it is. I've been playing it non- stop since release and still having fun with it. It's just about the only PC game I've ever played. :)

Also I may be picking up KOTOR and SWG just for fun. Not because they're Star Wars games but because of how good they are. I can't pass up a good game.

EDIT: Do you recommend me picking up the earlier games in the series? I've heard some good things about them. Don't worry txa, I'll purchase them legally, just like I do with any other game/movie/CD (and that's not sarcasm).

Originally posted by GC256
Okay I apologize, I was a bit too harsh on you Star Wars fans.

Also I may be picking up KOTOR and SWG just for fun. Not because they're Star Wars games but because of how good they are. I can't pass up a good game.

EDIT: Do you recommend me picking up the earlier games in the series? I've heard some good things about them. Don't worry txa, I'll purchase them legally, just like I do with any other game/movie/CD (and that's not sarcasm).

I didn't think you were harsh at all - just frank. I was just surprised, that's all ...

As for KOTOR and Galaxies ... well, KOTOR in particular is just such a great game it is getting play with all kinds of non-SW and non-RPG people ... I'm a non-RPG'er, and am drooling in anticipation of the PC version ... I can only imagine what hardcore SW and RPG people are feeling.

I always assume that people are honest, unless they show evidence otherwise. I would strongly recommend JK and MotS, they both still play well on newer PC's (I just replayed them a montth or so ago). I also recommend Dark Forces stronly ... it is a truly great game. It may be a problem on a newer PC (but, if you can play Doom or Duke3D ...), which is why it has permanent residence on my Mac. All are likely available for pretty cheap on eBay.

Mike

i never really like posting on these things... cuz its not like you can change a community's mind with your opinion... and its not like i care to... but i recently found out some stuff about jedi academy from a reliable source and was told about a frikkin "bow" button. i feel like venting now...

ive missed playing jk since 1.03 & 1.04 came out (wasnt the same for me), and also since people stopped doin the promod thing... so recently i popped in the O.G 1.02, did some NF duels... man... didnt realize it was such a frikkin mortal sin not to bow. gettin called a noob left & right... never had this issue when i 1st started playing when this game 1st came out... ugh... all the honor crap...

now theres gonna be a bow button? sh*t, i can see it now... all the commotion over a freakin animation put in the game just for asthetics... anyone reading this who finds bowing to be the honorable thing to do & mandatory in a duel... WHY?

1: its a videogame... i wont even show my boss, the man who provides me with $$$$, any kind of honor or respect, much less someone competing against me in a videogame... besides... like someone said in an earlier post, its earned, not given...

2: why does bowing have to signify that youre ready? when u start a match the annoying chick voice says -BEGIN- ...i dunno bout u... but thats a hint & a half for your ass to be ready to fight.

3: saber down means dont attack... chat box is up means dont attack... and its desrespectful when someone frags u during any of the above... i personally think its disrespectful when you stall a match with useless chatter, changing your settings when your ass shoulda been ready from the get-go, and claiming yourself a non target with your saber down... if u get killed with your saber down, maybe you shoulda had it up, jackalope...

now dont get me wrong, im not knocking everyone who bows or whatever, well maybe i am, maybe im not... but i do think the whole notion is F-in rediculous... but im really attacking people who flame\kick\etc. those who dont bow or show in-game honor... its not necesary, its a game, if u enjoy doing these things to enhance your gameplay experience, F it, by all means go ahead, but some people dont agree with unwritten rules... some of us are in it to win, to compete, to have fun, to just play. So why cant it be just left at that?

yea i realize i may have popped off a lil too much and gone off on a tangent or two, and some of you are gonna flame me, whatever... im just a lil irritated at the thought of a bow button as a game feature... now, the end of this argument could be "u dont like those rules, then dont play on that server." but what i wanna know is, why should i have to limit myself to where i play & who i play with... i know people who play on various servers who bow just cuz they dont wanna get booted... some of those people say it ruins their gameplay experiences, that its freakin annoying but they feel the gotta tolerate it, just to be able to play on a low ping server with the game version & mode they want... so, to end this rant & sum up... why cant it just be bow if you want, or not... show respect or not... just play?

What's funny is that I find all this honorable/bowing/saber-off stuff to be very un-Star Wars-ish...I thought that the Jedi were supposed to keep the peace and when violence was necessary, they used it...none of this bowing to your enemy ****...

Originally posted by Rad Blackrose
Chat boxes were not seen until 1.03. That means 1.02 was played without *surprise!* CHATBOXES! Now you go ahead and cycle back through the VotJ forum and count all the whining due to chat kills, especially during the 1.02 era when there were no chat boxes.

Here's your complementary shovel, the stables await.

Booyah!

Yeah, it was *still* in Quake3. The fact that the first release of JO didn't have it can be seen as a bug that was fixed in the next version. To sum up my opinion on the matter, chatboxes didn't create any problems; people would still complain about being killed while typing or changing configs whether there were chatboxes or not. its not like they're going to go away now because a segment of the JK population wants all fragging all the time with total disregard to being nice to anyone at any time. Basically there is no honor code in the game for me -- if I'm in a good mood, I'll be nice and play along or not kill you when you chat (well if you arent treating the game like a chatroom). If I'm in a bad mood, prepare to die. I think there are a lot of people out there that share the same view.

The one thing I hated most though about JO was how it devolved into a bunch of asshats walking around and meditating in Bespin, then getting pissed off if you dare suggested that maybe someone should whip out a weapon and start fighting.

Meditate? How do you do that?

Depends on the rules of the server....

Honor? Its not as much about the Honor as it is the satisfaction of the kill. In a duel, I want my opponent to be ready for me when I attack.



You want an example of an Honorable duel... Duel of the Fates.Jedi Academy has a bow emote that deactivates your saber(s) and lowers your head. It also has a meditation emote and extra taunts.

Edited to please the poster below.

Originally posted by Mith[OmNi]
Depends on the rules of the server....

...

You want an example of an Honorable duel... Duel of the Fates.

How this should have looked:

Depends on the rules of the server....

Honor? Its not as much about the Honor as it is the satisfaction of the kill. In a duel, I want my opponent to be ready for me when I attack. Jedi Academy has a bow emote that deactivates your saber(s) and lowers your head. It also has a meditation emote and extra taunts.

You want an example of an Honorable duel... Duel of the Fates.

Please be liberal about use of spoiler tags to allow is to stay 'pure' is we want to. While your info was hinted at here For Duel: Maybe there aren't sounds (other than the taunt sound), but maybe there are, now, a formal set of gestures/anims you can bind to keys. by ChangKHAN, but not stated explicitly, making it a spoiler.

Thanks,

Mike
[edit: moron me ... quoted the spoiler when asking for spoiler tags!!! Let's try [/stupid Mike mode off] ... have to wait to see if it worked ;) ]

Sorry didn't know they were there.

Test 1...2...3 Jedi Academy is everything Jedi Outcast should have been....

If those spoilers contain real information about JA... oh dear god.. :(

It will be a long, hard battle to get people to understand that there is no such thing as "honour" in JA.

But for the sake of the community we must try.

stfu lamer.

press K and duel me if you think your so good.

;)

Originally posted by FK | unnamed
stfu lamer.

press K and duel me if you think your so good.

;)

No. Not untill U bow properly, noob. :mad:

0M9! Did you see that?? He used red stance!!!! :eek:

shhh

Here's how I look at it. In order to keep flames and arguments to a minimum, each side of the argument should probably compromise a little bit. If someone bows to you and you think it's stupid (and for the record, I think it's extremely stupid) just go ahead and do it and get it over with, if you think they'll just start a flurry of whining. It is really easy this time around since there is a programmed animation you can just bind whatever key you like to in order to do it.

On the flip side, if you're big into this 'honor' thing and bow to someone and they don't bow back, shut up. Keep your mouth shut. Don't start up with this "OMG You're supposed to bow" bullsh!t because no one is 'supposed' to do anything - and you are just wasting your own and everybody else who is waiting in line to duel's time by arguing about it on the server. This idea that we "should" show a little respect is a joke. When's the last time you played Quake 3 or Counter Strike or something and someone stopped before they fragged you to bow. And no, the dynamics of the game are not different, don't even start that crap. If you disagree, just keep telling yourself whatever you want, but DON'T start telling everyone else.

Think of it like religion. You can believe whatever you want, but you're going to catch hell (no matter what side you're on) if you try to push it on someone else. But it's not religion, it is a game; this really shouldn't be this big of a deal, so just roll with the punches and keep playing. Being a good natured, understanding player who is flexible is the best way to truly show respect.

Nah, I still plan on killing them while they bow and making fun of them afterwards.

;)

yes i wouldn't mind joining the ASC this time around as well.

I wouldn't mind too.........:p

Originally posted by FK | unnamed
Nah, I still plan on killing them while they bow and making fun of them afterwards.

;)

Then you'll get kicked for laming. I haven't been on a serious server where rushing your opponent and killing them while they are bowing was acceptable.

Originally posted by Mith[OmNi]
Then you'll get kicked for laming. I haven't been on a serious server where rushing your opponent and killing them while they are bowing was acceptable.

In other words: you haven't been on a serious server, ever. You have only played with people who follow dumb rules and kick people for laming.

*Kick people for laming*. Think about that for a sec. What the hell is "laming"? And who makes that decision? You?

Example: You bow to me. I happen to think that bowing is an insult. I think crouching & looking down is lame. I call you a faggot and start a kick vote to get you off the server or run to an admin screaming "Mith laaameed meee! Ban him!"
>> You get kicked.
So how do you feel now? Confused? Are you thinking "what kind of BS rule was that?! I can't bow when I want to without being kicked!?!? Ridiculous!"

See the problem? Would you want ME to go on to every server and enforce MY rules (bowing is laming)? That would be fun, eh? Think of all the whining and crap I could start with that? I'd yell "LAAMER LAMER LAMMERR" 24/7 for as long as it takes that everyone alters their way of playing. >> No-one dares to bow anymore, because they know some idiot is ready to kick-vote them off if that happens.

The result? The result is that I am happy and I can play a totally Cool Star Wars HONOURABLE Jedio game that's just-like-teh-moviez where no-one ever bows.

Or maybe I should just STFU and play the game the way I want to without silly bowing and let others play the way they want?

bowing isn't a big thing by itself, but its the root of this rpg nonsense. first theres bowing then there saber down then theres no fighting on ffa's or using guns in a guns server then there is no violence allowed and then you have to do good deeds to the elderly in servers.

you think i'm joking but i'm really not

Originally posted by Mith[OmNi]
Then you'll get kicked for laming. I haven't been on a serious server where rushing your opponent and killing them while they are bowing was acceptable.

Then you obviously have never left your little "perfect world." Get out from under the rock you are hiding under and realize that in the clan scene, there isn't any of this honor bull**** and its a straight out Jedi symphonic asswhomp fest.

You want to see a serious server? grendel's ffa server (64.246.59.197:28070).

Originally posted by Mith[OmNi]
Then you'll get kicked for laming. I haven't been on a serious server where rushing your opponent and killing them while they are bowing was acceptable.

No not really, here is what would (and does still to this day) happen:

I "lame" some RPG noob.

RPG noob: "LAMER"

me: stfu

RPG noob: "everyone hunt the lamer"

RPG noob #2 "yeah let's get that lamer"

RPG noob #3 "press K and duel me you ****y"


The Lamer hunt begins! <insert duel of the fates music here>



"RPG noob was sabered by me"

"RPG noob #2 was annihilated by me"

"RPG noob #3 received a kick to the face by me"



RPG noob "****ing scripter"

RPG noob #2 "****y *** force whore I bet he has no saber skill"

RPG noob #3 "press k and duel me you ****y"



"RPG noob was sabered by me"

"RPG noob #2 was annihilated by me"

"RPG noob #3 received a kick to the face by me"



RPG noob "this is bull**** I'm getting an admin"

RPG noob #2 "yeah ***got when he gets here you're going to get banned"


"RPG noob #3 received a kick to the face by me"

RPG noob # 3 "****ING MOTHER****** DUEL ME!!11111"

/me disconnects and happy to know another pack or RPG noobs have been frustrated to the brink of a mental melt down over a silly video game.

:cool:




oh and as for the “serious server” comment.

Like the others said, if your idea of “serious” servers are only the little saber off = peace isolated RPG play grounds then I feel sorry for you.

There is a whole great big world out there full of servers (or was in jk2 for quite a while) where people connect and….. just kill each other in a rabid frenzy all trying to win the map/round/match.

And *gasp there are also servers (look at the three in my sig) where people who’s *only interest is in *competitive play go to compete with each other.

We don’t bow, we don’t role play, and we don’t spend 30 minutes /amsitting on the “pad” debating the latest version of the newest yoda skin.

We play.

And yes, we (I’m speaking about competitive players in general, not one clan/player) are much, much better players than everyone else *solely because of that.

I'm talking about NF Duel servers moron. In FFA I couldn't care less if people bow or not.

Originally posted by Mith[OmNi]
I'm talking about NF Duel servers moron. In FFA I couldn't care less if people bow or not.

Moron? Very un honorable and un Jedi like...

But then again as we've proven so many times, the newbies who cry about honor are the most hypocritical obnoxious players in the game.

Thanks for proving once again this remains true.



That *tongue in check example is what you would call… um an example.

Actually I mentioned “all trying to win the map/round/match” so as to show you we non role playing newbies actually play all game types.

We all know the silly little RPG newbies infest all game types, especially NF dueling. You don’t need to remind us of that.

And yes, there are plenty of NF duelers who play only for the competitive draw of the game.

And yes, they think the silly little RPG saber rules the newbies follow are… well silly.

Roleplaying? Who said anything about Roleplaying? Rushing your opponent when he has a chat sign above his head at the beginning of the duel is a sad way to win. Its not about "honor", its about respect. Respect for your opponent. :cool:

When I kill someone in a duel, I want them to be able to say: "Wow, he has great skills" not "He rushed-killed me while I was trying to ask him a question".

If an opponent runs at me swinging his saber without bowing, I don't bow to him and then whine about it... I automatically assume he's never played before, and I'm always right.

Originally posted by Mith[OmNi]
Roleplaying? Who said anything about Roleplaying? Rushing your opponent when he has a chat sign above his head at the beginning of the duel is a sad way to win. Its not about "honor", its about respect. Respect for your opponent. :cool:

When I kill someone in a duel, I want them to be able to say: "Wow, he has great skills" not "He rushed-killed me while I was trying to ask him a question".

If an opponent runs at me swinging his saber without bowing, I don't bow to him and then whine about it... I automatically assume he's never played before, and I'm always right.
I agree. I don't like cheap kills, I like showing everyone in FFA servers that I'm skilled (in duels) and I don't have to be dishonorable yet I can still be competitive and win the round, which I do quite often.

They don't seem to be able to comprehend that it has nothing to do with RP, just respect. As I've told them, I don't watch Star Wars so it must not be that huh? What's your excuse now?

EDITED: For clarity

What I mean is that the same rules for Duel servers apply for dueling in FFA's, in my opinion at least. What's the difference? I also meant that he shouldn't force things on people (RPers, not me) and then expect them not to force things on him.

I found your last paragraph to be quite difficult to understand.

On FFA servers anyone and everyone you can see is fair game. Thats just a fact. FFA is about how fast you can kill, and anyone who bows or who cries because they got killed saber down is only kidding themselves.

Howevever, I find that "FK| Unnamed"s attitude that all people who bow are RPG players and the scum of humanity to be quite insulting.

On Duel servers, all bowing is a sign that says: "Yes I'm ready. Bring it" You shouldn't attack unless your opponent attacks you, or gives some indication that he's prepared. I ALWAYS bow to my opponent.

they are not forcing you to not bow, they just don't want waste time showing "respect". its annoying just like saying "I HAVE ENJOYED THIS ENCOUNTER MASTER JEDI AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT. UNTIL THEN I WILL STRIVE TO FOLLOW THE PATH OF RESPECT AND JEDI ESSENTIALNESS" after ever kill

You still don't understand do you? I'm not speaking for anyone else here.. but that's not what bowing is for. Just to indicate that you're ready, that's all.

To make things clear, for the last time.

I DO NOT like Star Wars!

I bow to show respect, so I know I'll get a fair fight in duels. I don't feel like a Jedi when I bow, I don't see the connection. You don't seem like you're able to understand that.

EDIT:
It's not like saying all that garbage, because first of all, it takes half a second to press the "C" button, and secondly because it's not meant to be like that.

i understand. for the first like 9 months of JO i did saber only and i bowed and all that stuff. after a while i realized bowing was kinda dumb and i preceded to nodding and eventually i didn't do anything exept fight. now i'm a gunner and obviously bowing is out of the question.
my beef is now with the retards that join gunning servers and call you a lammer for using guns or saber down killing.

also understand that starwars doesn't have anything to do with this respect/bowing so quit whining about how you haven't watched the movies.

Never said bowers are scum, well maybe I did somewhere but not recently...

;)


Serious though "respect" is kind of a silly thing to try to show via "crouch my reborn/boss model and look at the floor" don't you think?

How I show respect for players:

I don't insult them *just because they beat me <omg you ****ing lamer/force whore/kick lamer **ggot/fill in w/e here>.

I don't <sleep/slap/choke/fill in stupid admin mod punishment crap here> players on our servers *just because the guy logged onto a server and started...playing.

Server has rules?
Fine.
Ever tried “hey Padawan please don’t do that?”

No of course not, most of you were to busy power tripping over sleeping players like some kind of uber virtual e-GOD.

Bottom line is, I "respect" people who *don't try to impose their will upon others.


You want to bow?

Great.

I don't.

I would *never kick you off any of our servers for bowing. Granted I'm still going to attack you but I'm not going to make you stop bowing if you don't want to stop.

Would you kick me off yours for attacking when you bowed?

Of course you would.

Why?

Because for *you for to have fun, we all have to conform to your little self centered, self absorbed way of playing right?

That argument, the imposition of a persons will upon others is the very reason why that whole *ASC* thing got started.

It really had nothing to do with "honor" and the likes. It was all just a tongue & cheek joke poking fun at how idiotic and asinine people who *were trying to enforce their will upon other players were acting.

Ok fine, don't bow. Just don't kill people when they're trying to bow to you.

I don't understand how you find people showing respect to be insulting or silly.

Originally posted by Mith[OmNi]
Just don't kill people when they're trying to bow to you.


Thank for validating yet another point I made about the imposition of will upon other players.

If I were you I would just stop replying to this. First the "moron" comment then this gem. All you are doing is sticking your proverbial foot in your mouth sir.

:cool:

Originally posted by Mith[OmNi]
I don't understand how you find people showing respect to be insulting or silly.

Originally posted by FK | unnamed
Thank for validating yet another point I made about the imposition of will upon other players.

Sorry, but unnamed hit the nail on the head here. Mith you say it's "showing respect", but who are you to say that? If someone else disagrees, are you saying they're wrong? You can view as it you will, others will see it as a waste of time and impractical. Nobody can be the arbitrary authority on the issue, but everybody can be respectful enough to not try to tell someone else the "way it should be". As far as killing someone who is trying to bow to me, well I wouldn't do that myself, but on the same token, don't bitch about it if it happens. It won't change a thing. Just keep the big picture in mind and go on. In essence, agre to disagree and don't get worked up about it.