I am planning on a mod that basicly completly changes the game into imperial stuff.
More to come on it after the game is out.
Well, I think it'll be pretty hard. You'll have to model all that stuff so it looks just as good as the Clones. ;)
Originally posted by ZBomber
Well, I think it'll be pretty hard. You'll have to model all that stuff so it looks just as good as the Clones. ;)
yea it'll be pretty hard but good luck tho...:cool:
but then the player's aim would have to be waaaaaay off. we all know the expendable stormtrooper couldn't shoot the broad side of a barn.
;)
j/k ... would be interesting to see. good luck.
Originally posted by ZBomber
Well, I think it'll be pretty hard. You'll have to model all that stuff so it looks just as good as the Clones. ;)
Stormtroopers look better than clone troopers/commandos.
If a Stormtrooper mod were to be made I would buy the game just for that. I have no interest in these Republic Commando things. They just don't seem like something from Star Wars. The gameplay looks great though with the gadgets and helmet displays like Stormtroopers have.
I've read that the Republic Commando's main weapon is the DC-17m rifle, which is way more advanced than an E-11 blaster. It has anti-armor grenade launcher and sniper attachments. For this I suggest that the Stormtrooper's weapon would be the BlasTech DLT-19 Heavy Blaster Rifle (
http://rebelops.jk2files.com/weapons/dlt19/dlt19.jpg), which was used by many Stormtroopers on Tatooine and a few on the Death Star. It was carried by Han disguised in Stormtrooper armor in addition to an E-11, and later used by Chewie to blast detention block AA-23's guards and security devices. In SWBF it has a sniper scope attachment (
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/starwarsbattlefront_030104_004.jpg), and I imagine it could impliment a grenade launcher attachment. However, I've also read that the Republic Commando carries a back-up pistol, the DC-15s pistol, which is an early E-11 blaster. Although the E-11 has a fully-automatic mode, in the movies it was always seen used in semi-automatic mode, so I think the E-11 could be the "pistol" even though it's technically a rifle.
Stormtroopers carry one thermal detonator (that's what that canister-shaped object on the back of their belt is) and two concussion grenades. In the trailers I've seen the commandos placing explosive charges and stuff, so they could also carry Merr-Sonn 7-PrG Proton Grenades (used by Han to destroy the shield bunker on Endor) and laser cutting devices, which Stormtroopers used for breaches (watch ANH where Stormtroopers cut through to the detention block to investigate a "weapons malfunction" - they used these cutting devices).
There is actually a Storm Commando (
http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/stormcommandos/eu.html) based on the Scout Trooper, but like the Republic Commando, I really don't like the way it looks, and it's not like something from Star Wars. Stormtroopers are supposed to be the elite shock troop of the Empire, and it has all the gadgets a Storm Commando would have, so there's no reason why it couldn't replace the Republic Commando.
Of course, it'd be an incredibly huge and involved task to do such a mod. It would require a team of numerous skilled modders, mappers, modelers, and actors. All new models, maps, story, characters, voice acting (which might actually be the hardest thing to get right). The team would have to be at least a dozen of the most talented modders. It's not as easy as just planning "well we'll make a Stormtrooper model to replace the Republic Commandos and some new weapons and enemies." It'd be a total conversion that uses very little if any of the original material. And this all depends on if the devs will offer an SDK (I'm not following Republic Commando - what's the word on support for the modding community?)...
Originally posted by TK-8252
If a Stormtrooper mod were to be made I would buy the game just for that. I have no interest in these Republic Commando things. They just don't seem like something from Star Wars. The gameplay looks great though with the gadgets and helmet displays like Stormtroopers have.
I've read that the Republic Commando's main weapon is the DC-17m rifle, which is way more advanced than an E-11 blaster. It has anti-armor grenade launcher and sniper attachments. For this I suggest that the Stormtrooper's weapon would be the BlasTech DLT-19 Heavy Blaster Rifle (
http://rebelops.jk2files.com/weapons/dlt19/dlt19.jpg), which was used by many Stormtroopers on Tatooine and a few on the Death Star. It was carried by Han disguised in Stormtrooper armor in addition to an E-11, and later used by Chewie to blast detention block AA-23's guards and security devices. In SWBF it has a sniper scope attachment (
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/starwarsbattlefront_030104_004.jpg), and I imagine it could impliment a grenade launcher attachment. However, I've also read that the Republic Commando carries a back-up pistol, the DC-15s pistol, which is an early E-11 blaster. Although the E-11 has a fully-automatic mode, in the movies it was always seen used in semi-automatic mode, so I think the E-11 could be the "pistol" even though it's technically a rifle.
Good, I was wondering what to do about the E-11. I was also thinking of maybe the Stormtrooper pistol (I dont remember what its called) in your signature.
Stormtroopers carry one thermal detonator (that's what that canister-shaped object on the back of their belt is) and two concussion grenades. In the trailers I've seen the commandos placing explosive charges and stuff, so they could also carry Merr-Sonn 7-PrG Proton Grenades (used by Han to destroy the shield bunker on Endor) and laser cutting devices, which Stormtroopers used for breaches (watch ANH where Stormtroopers cut through to the detention block to investigate a "weapons malfunction" - they used these cutting devices).
Yeah I know. Though I dont know how i would implement the laser cutting device, without coding.
There is actually a Storm Commando (
http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/stormcommandos/eu.html) based on the Scout Trooper, but like the Republic Commando, I really don't like the way it looks, and it's not like something from Star Wars. Stormtroopers are supposed to be the elite shock troop of the Empire, and it has all the gadgets a Storm Commando would have, so there's no reason why it couldn't replace the Republic Commando.
Yeah, I didnt like the looks of it either. I really wanted a Stormtrooper but for sake of accuracy I knew I had to use it. I also was thinking what kind of missions I would have to create for them. I mean what locals should I include, and what would they have to do there.
Of course, it'd be an incredibly huge and involved task to do such a mod. It would require a team of numerous skilled modders, mappers, modelers, and actors. All new models, maps, story, characters, voice acting (which might actually be the hardest thing to get right). The team would have to be at least a dozen of the most talented modders. It's not as easy as just planning "well we'll make a Stormtrooper model to replace the Republic Commandos and some new weapons and enemies." It'd be a total conversion that uses very little if any of the original material. And this all depends on if the devs will offer an SDK (I'm not following Republic Commando - what's the word on support for the modding community?)...
Yeah, I know, thats going to be the hard part. I dont know about the SDK. If its not released I probably wont be able to do the mod. Thanks!
Originally posted by TK42235
Stormtroopers look better than clone troopers/commandos.
Thats not what I mean. Check out the models in this game. look how professional they look. You'll have to match that or make it even better to make this a good mod.
"I look forward to your mod with great interest."
But I think Stormtroopers as such are too generic. I mean, they're +1 on Clones, not Clone Commandos. This is like the American army versus the WW2 SAS.
Although I can't think of a decent "elite" Stormtrooper without being corny and thinking of Darktroopers.
Clone Commandos look very menacing in METAL armour, I think it's most likely continuity errors but stormies have been killed and then some. They've lost their "fear factor", if any. These Clones make Master Chief look like a small kid.
Won't the hud/helmet view be all wrong then? Or are you planning on changing that too.
"I can't see a thing in this helmet."
Take a close look at the Stormtrooper Commando helmet:)
A l33t scout trooper? Needs more...padding.
You don't need to use the storm commando. Normal stormies would also do fine, hell, if you're gonna make a total conversion anyway, why not throw in a larger team, to make it look more realistic...
In short, i like Stormtroopers better than Storm commando's...
I do to, but I have to do it for the sake of realism.
Is modding difficult? I ask because I have such a tool for a game but I never used it.
Modding is only as difficult as you make it. It also depends on your plans, your willingness to perfect the mod to fit evey detail of your plans, and extreme patience.
Sounds like there will be an SDK soon after the game releases
hey guys, if youre actually gonna start this mod i can model for you (my hobby)...
i have only one problem, i cant model organic (humans/plants and similar stuff) things.
heres some of my models:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/NiCK-LESS/Arasaki.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/NiCK-LESS/knife.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/NiCK-LESS/Shotgun.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/NiCK-LESS/VampKnife_1.png)
........ if anybody wants more, post here or send me a PM.
After playing the demo I'd say this game would be perfect for Stormtroopers. And the Clone Adviser could be an Imperial Officer. :D
Course... this time, you'd be fighting the Wookiees (uh-oh). :p
Stormtrooper mod or not, the demo (them releasing an awesome demo shows they actually care about us) convinced me the game's well worth buying.
Exactly my points in doing this:D
Originally posted by NiCK-LeSS
hey guys, if youre actually gonna start this mod i can model for you (my hobby)...
i have only one problem, i cant model organic (humans/plants and similar stuff) things.
heres some of my models:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/NiCK-LESS/Arasaki.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/NiCK-LESS/knife.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/NiCK-LESS/Shotgun.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/NiCK-LESS/VampKnife_1.png)
........ if anybody wants more, post here or send me a PM.
Looks like we have ourselves a weapon modeler!:D
Now that I've seen how the DC-17 works, I'm thinking that the E-11 could replace it instead of a DLT-19. Since there's no melee claw on Stormtroopers, the E-11 would have to be used in melee attacks. I'd suggest the same motion as the Slaver's shotgun.
For sniper attachments, the stock would be placed in its rear position (
http://www.decipher.com/starwars/cardlists/endor/light/images/blasteche11bblasterrifle.gif), the scope would be removed and a longer scope (
http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/potf2acc-blaster-ATST.jpg) would be placed on, and the barrel extension like on the DC-17 sniper would be placed on.
For anti-armor, the barrel would be removed and the very same attachment from the DC-17 would be placed on, and the scope would be removed. Sort of like this (
http://www.ut2004troopers.com/manual/readmecontent/gifs/ModE11.jpg).
Then the DC-15 pistol would be that pistol in my sig. SWBF calls it an SE-14r Pistol.
And about explosives and stuff...
There'll need to be less grenades. You start out with just one Imperial-issue thermal detonator and two concussion grenades, however they'll be set up. You could pick up conventional thermal detonators, sonic grenades, flash grenades, etc. throughout the mission, but never deploy with them.
But instead of demolition charges for busting through walls, a Stormtrooper could use a small cutting torch attached on his belt to cut open a hole and then have you blow the weak spot out with one of your weapons (like the Stormtroopers breaking into detention block AA-23).
Ok, but Stormtrooper commando's have a melee blade dont they?
Doesn't say so in the StarWars.com Databank.
Yeah, guess your right. I was confused.
For the pistol, you could try using the BlasTech DL-44 Heavy Blaster Pistol (
http://strategy.jediknight.net/jka/images/blasterpistol.jpg). It was the pistol used in Jedi Knight, and it has a scope and everything.
But why would you only have 3 grenades? Even in Halo you get 8 total. I would think that a some of an Stormtrooper's weaponry would consist of grenades.
Originally posted by Drax Kreiger
For the pistol, you could try using the BlasTech DL-44 Heavy Blaster Pistol (
http://strategy.jediknight.net/jka/images/blasterpistol.jpg). It was the pistol used in Jedi Knight, and it has a scope and everything.
Or, the correct pistol could be used. (
http://www.multiplehat.com/whitearmor/images/pistol4.jpg)
Originally posted by Drax Kreiger
But why would you only have 3 grenades? Even in Halo you get 8 total. I would think that a some of an Stormtrooper's weaponry would consist of grenades.
Ah, if only people would read my posts I wouldn't have to quote myself.
Originally posted by TK-8252
Stormtroopers carry one thermal detonator (that's what that canister-shaped object on the back of their belt is) and two concussion grenades.
thats what im questioning. where did you learn that they only carry three grenades?
www.StarWars.com)
Where'd you learn they have more than three?
And where'd you learn they carry DL-44's...
I really wasnt going for realism. I was going for things that would make the game better. But as for the pistol, as far as I know, there was only one pistol in Jedi Knight. And since some Imps used a pistol, I guess they would have to have used the BlasTech one.
No offence, and I appreciate your trieing to help and everything but I am striving for Star Wars universe realism. If I wasnt I would have used the Stormtrooper instead of the Stormtrooper Commando. Also, take a look at the raven Jediknight stormtrooper, then watch the trilogy, get my point:dozey: Here,
http://www.forumforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforum=realismprojectm&act=ST&f=7&t=6) I might have a website up soon, but for now I just have the forum
You are going to make this exciting though, aren't you? Last thing needed is to get anal about details. Yes, technical realism is good, but perhaps Imps need to be able to NOT get 0wned by a bunch of teddy bears? No?
I've got some great character backgrounds if you're interested. But I'm a thinker rather than a do-er...sadly.
Well, I wasnt quite thinking of movie missions but I suppose your right. You would have to skip the behind enemy lines line though. Btw, tell us what you have for chars Redtech. And for the getting boged down in details the answer is, the Star Wars movies were fun werent they:dozey:
The movies were fun because the Empire sucked so badly, they lost, remember?
IMHO, the films were based around their heroes, the Stormies were scenery that shot back sometimes.
I would love to see Stormies actually making some sort of comeback. True, "realism" is convincing. But then, I would prefer if the AI were able to hit a target! Haven't got a beef with weapons and classes, however.
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Anyway, here are some troop profiles I thought up, I'd really appreciate it if you gave some feedback.
Firstly, thought it’d be easier if there are 4 troopers, add some if you want, heck it’s your mod.
Second, I have NO CLUE as to sensible squad code numbers.
Third, any gaps are probably deliberate, add what you want.
Fourth, works for Stromtroopers, OR Storm Commandos. Choice is yours. :P
Squad Leader:
(Playable character)
Nickname: Lead
Profile: A veteran approaching retirement age, Lead has lead dozens of troopers under his command, many have moved on, but far too many died through their own stupidity. As such, he tries not to get emotionally attached to his unit although he looks apon them like his children and the unit as his family. Despite receiving many commendations for bravery and performance attributes, Lead declined the chance of any further promotion to continue to play a far more active role in the Empire’s ranks. A model trooper that many aspire to be. Lead has survived by not playing by the rules. But instead of throwing out the rulebooks, as many younger troopers have mistakenly done, he prefers to add new pages. He is known to be very much in control and is flexible, using enemy weapons or his bare hands to destroy a target if need be. Nothing stops the mission succeeding.
He is unmarried and has no children. The squad is literally his family and he secretly fears that without it, he may as well not exist.
Squad 2nd:
(Resident sniper)
Nickname: Scope
Profile: A prodigiously gifted sniper, Scope ascended through the ranks quickly solely due to his excellent marksmanship and amazing kill ratios. This has lead to suspicion that he is force-talented, which is immediately rebuked with swear words as violent as his kills and has lead to minor scuffles in the past. Unknowingly, he is force-talented, but not enough to do any significant feats of ‘Jedi Magic’. Rather, he would say he has a ‘gift’ for knowing precisely where an enemy’s vital organs are. At home with a scope equipped weapon, he is deadly at close range as well, simply because he absolutely hates being disturbed by friend or foe from his sniping.
He is cool, and almost unemotional from the outside, despite simmering deep inside, yet is fairly tolerant and enjoys leading from a supporting role, after all, he knows exactly where everyone is.
A career soldier, Scope plans to one day lead a squad of his own and while he enjoys being under the control of Lead, Scope is not comfortable with Lead’s unconventional methods, especially ones Lead rebukes others for doing. He never lets Grudge watch his back..
Squad 3rd:
(Demoman)
Nickname: Grudge
Profile: Possibly the exact opposite of Lead, Grudge is coarse-mouthed and very violent, even by trooper standards. He follows the Emperor’s anti-non-human sentiment to fanatical lengths. As a youth from a relatively poor family, he was constantly frustrated with non-humans, the way they stole jobs rightfully deserved for humans, their foreign smells and languages, their filthy customs and worst of all, their criminals. His parents were killed by a group of non-humans and their bodies thrown into a trash compactor when their search for valuables proved empty.
Grudge immediately signed up to become a trooper 2 years underage. When his test scores came back, the shock of the recruitment officers made him immediately accepted. Tatooine was his first assignment, and Grudge would say that it was the second worst moment of his entire life.
Grudge has received many reprimands for excessive force, for destroying houses, religious temples, or public utilities in order to complete the mission, but they are all turned into commendations. When a criminal cell is wiped out in a single explosion, or a known bounty hunter is killed when his landspeeder explodes, or a rebel informant (and her family) are killed in their own home, people pay attention. Personally, Grudge doesn’t see any problems with his methods. After all, they’re not human. Just don’t get him started about the Rebels. He hates them even more.
Squad 4th
(All-round trooper)
Nickname: Wings
Profile: The youngest trooper in the squad, originally, wings planned on entering the Imperial academy to become a pilot. However, despite a consistent high score, he failed the final exams and dropped out. He doesn’t begrudge being a trooper however, infact, he has a zeal which often frustrates his squad. Yet none would say he doesn’t deserve a second chance, after all, it was a stand-off between the rebels and the imperials that lead to the death of Wings’ mother and the resultant test failure. He knows the rebels killed his mother and as such, Wings can’t stand them, but not to the levels of Grudge, although Grudge is sympathetic and tends to call him “kid brother”, mainly to annoy him.
Wings is very by-the-book and so tends to empathise with Scope the most, when things get ugly, although Wings is not afraid of ‘borrowing’ a weapon and turning it on its former owner. Wings is known for using an E11 like the bolts came out of his hands and is a surprisingly good shot regardless. He still has a love for aircraft and talks about them constantly, which is a good distraction in between the regular bouts of chaos. He enjoys travelling to new locations and likes to have almost sadistic fun when everyone else is loosing their heads…literally.
Originally posted by Redtech
The movies were fun because the Empire sucked so badly, they lost, remember?
Only sucked at shooting the heroes. Watch the Tantive IV boarding party to see how Stormtroopers can really kick ass. :p
Anyway, to be honest I think "lead" would be a weak nickname. Maybe "sarge" or however you spell the short for sergeant.
Just because they're making it realistic doesn't mean they're making the Stormies suck. And they only lost because the hero's had to win.
While we're on the topic of new names, I think the squad could be named "Saber" instead of Delta.
Yeah, pretty good red, although I probably will change or exclude some things for having a little to much drama for being a Stormtrooper:) Also, I dont know about nicknames, I like just calling them by there code(more like the movies). Btw TK, I was thinking about Echo company? Also TK, what trooper would you like to be in the game(besides the leader)?
If there's no nicknames then it takes away a huge part of their personalities! From the conversations we hear in the Jedi Knight games we know that some Stormtroopers aren't by-the-book and very well have their own personalities and have companions among their squad.
Echo company? Ehh... on Hoth it'd be weird being Echo squad attacking Echo Base.
What troop would I be other than the leader? Eh... none. :p
Yeah, well its open to discussion, and yeah it would be wierd for the hoth thing but I'm not crazy about Saber... maybe.... I HAVE IT! WHISKEY COMPANY:rock::lol: And remember TK, you cant be the leader cuz... well, I outrank you:D
Originally posted by TK-8252
Only sucked at shooting the heroes. Watch the Tantive IV boarding party to see how Stormtroopers can really kick ass. :p
Anyway, to be honest I think "lead" would be a weak nickname. Maybe "sarge" or however you spell the short for sergeant.
Ever seen the Matrix trilogy? The enemies in that were tougher than nails, yet the heroes won. I mean, in the third one, they were running across the ceiling?...
They were really string opponents in those films.
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Sarge is a bit "generic" though, I mean, he isn't a Quake 3 bot! Lead is a tad weak though, I didn't want him being called "leader!"
Originally posted by TK42235
Yeah, pretty good red, although I probably will change or exclude some things for having a little to much drama for being a Stormtrooper:) Also, I dont know about nicknames, I like just calling them by there code(more like the movies). I think nicknames are handy, because being human, we relate to names better than numbers. Doesn't mean they don't call each other by numbers, but I doubt anyone is going to be able to tell that TK223021921 is the sociopath and TP 5302943029 is the quiet one just by name. :P
Don't make their stories too dull now, it's Star Wars, where else can a farmboy be the hero of the rebel alliance and a whole army can be created out of the best bounty hunter of the era?!?
Originally posted by Redtech
Sarge is a bit "generic" though, I mean, he isn't a Quake 3 bot! Lead is a tad weak though, I didn't want him being called "leader!"
Well hey, so is "Boss."
just because from the exterior they are nameless and faceless, there's no reason why they cannot have unique personalities. by the time of the OT, there are significantly more non-clones in the ranks, as the clone wars have depleted the inventory, and the academy is actively recruiting. therefore, it's a given they come from different backgrounds and have completely different stories.
ever see the fan-flick Troops? even though you don't know much about the individual troopers, you get a sense that they are unique individuals underneath the armor, rather than single-minded, brainwashed cannon fodder.
are there plans to help visually distinguish who's who? i don't see the RC's paint schemes to be appropriate for stormtroopers ... maybe the HUD gives each squad member a color-coded 'halo' of sorts? just thinking out loud ...
Originally posted by adillon
are there plans to help visually distinguish who's who? i don't see the RC's paint schemes to be appropriate for stormtroopers ... maybe the HUD gives each squad member a color-coded 'halo' of sorts? just thinking out loud ...
There could be little things like maybe Wings gets a holster, Scope gets some ammo pouches on his belt (like on Sandtroopers), Grudge's armor is especially dirty, stuff like that.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about how to tell them appart adillon. I think probably if its postible have the number and rank (mabe the name of the trooper?) like
www.stardestroyer.net) speculates probably to halo though. Also, I like TK's idea too. As for nicknames, I still dont know. Howabout actual names being used instead of nicknames (maybe some more free spirited trooper(s?) may use a nickname here or there?) I still dont like using a bunch of nicknames for Stormtroopers. Unless someone here comes up with some really good ones:D And yes, I have seen Troops (and enjoyed it!:D) I downloaded it onto a CD that got corupted. But thats beside the matter at hand, there was no question each trooper should have his own personality. It was a question of using nicknames for every Stormtrooper. TK, can you post everything you know about Stormtroopers here that you havent?
There's no need for that (plus I'd be sitting here all night ;) ).
It's an option for real names to be used (since this squad might be regular recruits rather than clones), but still, I like the way it's done for the Republic Commandos. I think that a Stormtrooper mod should keep as much structure of the game as close to Republic Commando as possible. It'd be different using just numbers, or real names and numbers, or nicknames and numbers like in RC.
I've alwase wanted to have the hud thing for the mod so I think I will go along with it. I think I will have it display the numbers & real names. Also, if we were to use nicknames, howabout we come up with some really fitting ones that dont sound to silly that sound Star Wars and very militaresque and tough sounding. Maybe some real names too.