Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
Hex put a lot of work into his mod, he knows it is superior to slider's, and he just wants people to consider using it, realizing that what's done is done, and having those 3 or 4 commands in or out is not going to "save" or "kill" the community either way, but it may cause people to use his mod who otherwise wouldn't consider it.
Yeah, by pandering to the individuals that like using kick, slap, freeze, a majority of which abuse those powers.
During the past few months I have run JA Plus, JA Reloaded, and xmod2 on my servers for various reasons. And no matter what mod was used, no one was abused on my servers. And I assume the same is true for other CTF servers and most Siege servers. To say that players going to xmod servers must now be afraid of being abused may be theoretically true, but practically it isn't a real concern, because most of the servers running xmod2 are not places where people will be abused.
But this move wasn't made for those servers/admins, it was made for the admins that want to use kick. slap, and freeze. It looks like Hex's intention is to draw the kick/slap/freeze admins away from JA+ and into Xmod2. This is not a gain for anyone other than Hex, who seems to think that popularity is more important than having fun making the mod. (If you want popularity, go mod for Battlefield, Half-Life, or UT2004.)
In fact, this will have a negative impact since....
A) you're only enabling these wankers.
B) players will no longer be safe from that sort of abuse on Xmod2 servers (unless they use outdated versions). This move forces your loyal fanbase to spend MORE time looking for fun/safe servers since they can no longer trust Xmod2 to be abuse-free.
Basically what this boils down to is playing the game (with these mods scattered out there) sucks. Which is why I don't play, I just mod. And I don't do emotes. Which I'm sure would make me nice and popular with the whole honor crowd.
Originally posted by razorace
But this move wasn't made for those servers/admins, it was made for the admins that want to use kick. slap, and freeze. It looks like Hex's intention is to draw the kick/slap/freeze admins away from JA+ and into Xmod2. This is not a gain for anyone other than Hex, who seems to think that popularity is more important than having fun making the mod. (If you want popularity, go mod for Battlefield, Half-Life, or UT2004.)
In fact, this will have a negative impact since....
A) you're only enabling these wankers.
B) players will no longer be safe from that sort of abuse on Xmod2 servers (unless they use outdated versions). This move forces your loyal fanbase to spend MORE time looking for fun/safe servers since they can no longer trust Xmod2 to be abuse-free.
Actually, moving people from JA+ to xmod2 does have the potential for reducing player abuse for two reasons:
1) The automatic Honor code enforcement by preventing "laming" removes the pretext for using abusive commands. The "honor" admins are constantly claiming they use those commands not because they enjoy using them, but because they have to in order to enforce their rules. If they are being truthful, xmod2's automatic anti-laming feature should reduce the necessity to use those abuse-prone commands.
2) xmod2 simply does not have as many abuse-prone commands.
Both mods have sleep\freeze, slay\kill, and slap. xmod2 also has trip (Knocks a player down on the ground). But JA Plus has ampunish (player is immobilized in a "gripped" animation), ammerc (like terminator, gives all weapons) and amempower (gives all Force powers, usually to an admin). The "honor" players claim they like to have terminator vs. empowered duels, but I wouldn't know, cheating isn't my cup of tea.
Again, people may object on principle or in theory, but let's face facts, as I have said elsewhere, the war is over and the "honors" freaks and admin-power abusers won. Nothing is going to change that at this late date, not even if all future versions of all admin mods removed those commands. In my opinion, the community, not just Hex, is better off if there are 300 servers with JA Plus Mod and 32 servers with the current xmod2, than with 320 with JA Plus Mod and 12 with xmod2 without the abuse-prone commands.
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
[B]1) The automatic Honor code enforcement by preventing "laming" removes the pretext for using abusive commands. The "honor" admins are constantly claiming they use those commands not because they enjoy using them, but because they have to in order to enforce their rules. If they are being truthful, xmod2's automatic anti-laming feature should reduce the necessity to use those abuse-prone commands.
If they were truly interested in using the auto honor code they'd already be using Xmod2. And, secondly, they're going to have an excuse no matter what they do.
2) xmod2 simply does not have as many abuse-prone commands.
I'm not really sure how that helps. Either way, it results in good players getting forced into server shopping because a lot of servers have admins that like to see players laying on their backs all the time.
wonderfulll.... yet another admin abusing mod to ruin the free for all community even more than JA+ already has.... great job guys!!!!!!!!!!!maybe make a mod in the future that prevents nOObs being admins period because that is all these mods are for to abuse anyone that does not adheed to their precise likings and flavor of cake and that really disturbs me with this game. which 90 percent of them do the same thing they do you in for... these mods are for hippocrits!!!!!!!!!
spend time on making the game better not ruining it.
btw if its honor you want and laming to prevent maybe you should go get Donkey Kong instead... seems more your forte.
edited yet once again... you ever notice it is the ones that constantly spam these forums that you will never find online in a JA game?????? I wonder why that is......
Originally posted by Nylith
Allow me to introduce myself. I'm the founder of the Anti-Lord Kurgan Society. In this letter, I will tell you what made me form such an organization and how I plan to use it to inculcate in the reader an inquisitive spirit and a skepticism about beliefs that Lord Kurgan's coadjutors take for granted. First, the misinformation: Kurgan suggests that obscurity, evasiveness, incomprehensibility, indirectness, and ambiguity are marks of depth and brilliance. Where the heck did he come up with that? My answer is, as always, a model of clarity and the soul of wit: I don't know. However, I do know that you can chalk up incidents such as the ones I've described to the blinkered nature of his convictions. Excuse me; that's not entirely correct. What I meant to say is that the dogs of immoralism are barking up a storm, driven half-mad by the thought that Kurgan has OD'd on pharisaism. And that furious barking is music to my ears, because if he thinks that he has his moral compass in tact, then he's sadly mistaken.
What that means, simply put, is that people often get the impression that grumpy heresiarchs and Kurgan's lapdogs are separate entities. Not so. When one catches cold, the other sneezes. As proof, note that Kurgan and I disagree about our civic duties. I believe that we must do our utmost to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers as expeditiously as possible. Kurgan, on the other hand, believes that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. On rare occasions, in order to preserve their liberties, sometimes people must create profound emotional distress for people on both sides of the issue. Kurgan does that even when his liberties aren't being threatened.
He can go on saying that he knows the "right" way to read Plato, Maimonides, and Machiavelli, but the rest of us have serious problems to deal with that preclude our indulging in such manipulative dreams just now. My message is clear: I cannot believe how many actual, physical, breathing, thinking people have fallen for his subterfuge. I'm completely stunned. In public, Kurgan vehemently inveighs against corruption and sin. But when nobody's looking, Kurgan never fails to make people weak and dependent.
All the deals he makes are strictly one-way. Kurgan gets all the rights, and the other party gets all the obligations. Jacobinism is the answer, but only if the question was, "What's the moral equivalent of letting Kurgan identify political and religious groups that are his political enemies and re-label them as 'harebrained Kurgan clones' in order to justify operations against them?" Once, just once, I'd like to see his grunts challenge him to defend his scribblings or else to change them. But until they do that (if they ever do that), we must realize that I see how important his disruptive attitudes are to his yes-men and I laugh. I laugh because I can't live with lousy boors who force us to experience the full spectrum of the Kurgan Rainbow of Paternalism. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Kurgan. Let me move now from the abstract to the concrete. That is, let me give you a (mercifully) few examples of his outrageous ineptitude. For starters, Kurgan's hatchet jobs are sheer idiocy. Let me recap that for you, because it really is extraordinarily important: Kurgan is the type of person that turns up his nose at people like you and me. I guess that's because we haven't the faintest notion about the things that really matter, such as why it would be good for him to distract people from serious analysis of the situation.
Kurgan, does the word "macracanthrorhynchiasis" mean anything to you? Sticks and stones may break my bones, but he is unquestionably up to something. I don't know exactly what, but ignorance is bliss. This may be why Kurgan's apparatchiks are generally all smiles.
It takes more than a mass of amoral thieves to provide a positive, confident, and assertive vision of humanity's future and our role in it. It takes a great many thoughtful and semi-thoughtful people who are willing to take the initiative to shatter the illusion that those of us who oppose Kurgan would rather run than fight. Whatever he claims to the contrary, we've all heard Kurgan yammer and whine about how he's being scapegoated again, the poor dear.
I don't know whether or not you've ever been physically present at a public demonstration by his operatives, but let me tell you, they're pretty dour. Last I checked, in his prank phone calls, incendiarism is witting and unremitting, shiftless and uneducated. He revels in it, rolls in it, and uses it to dump effluent into creeks, lakes, streams, and rivers. I plan to work within the system to persuade my fellow citizens that the more pressing news is that Kurgan is a drooling, hydra-headed monster of force and terror, not because I lack the courage for more drastic steps, but because there may be absolutely nothing we can do to prevent Kurgan from making good on his word to perpetuate misguided and questionable notions of other odious carpetbaggers' intentions. When we compare this disturbing conclusion to the comforting picture purveyed by his drones, we experience psychological stress or "cognitive dissonance". Our only recourse is to reveal the truth about Kurgan's tirades.
Forgive me, dear reader, but I must be so tactless as to remind you that for those of us who make our living trying to shoo him away like the annoying bug that he is, it is important to consider that you'd think Kurgan would see how wrongheaded and smarmy he appears. Whatever weight we accord to that fact, we may be confident that if I didn't think Kurgan would encumber the religious idea with too many things of a purely earthly nature and thus bring religion into a totally unnecessary conflict with science, I wouldn't say that if he would abandon his name-calling and false dichotomies, it would be much easier for me to take up the mantle and oppose our human vices wherever they may be found -- arrogance, hatred, jealousy, unfaithfulness, avarice, and so on. Kurgan, as usual, you prove yourself to be perfidious. I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with him. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I maximize our individual potential for effectiveness and success in combatting Kurgan. I recently heard him tell a bunch of people that deconstructionism is a noble goal. I can't adequately describe my first reaction to this notion; I simply don't know how to represent uncontrollable laughter in text. In asserting that some people deserve to feel safe while others do not, he demonstrates an astounding narrowness of vision.
Kurgan accuses me of being narrow-minded. Does he aver I'm narrow-minded because I refuse to accept his claim that he is beyond reproach? If so, then I guess I'm as narrow-minded as I could possibly be. If demagogism were an Olympic sport, he would clinch the gold medal. Ladies and gentlemen, when a friend wants to drive inebriated, you try to stop him. Well, Kurgan is drunk with power, which is why we must prevent the production of a new crop of subversive disgusting-types. Look, one of the great mysteries of modern life is, Why doesn't he try doing something constructive for once in his life? That's the question that perplexes me the most, because if you were to tell him that his self-fulfilling prophecies are a masterpiece of obnoxious, jaundiced Fabianism, he'd just pull his security blanket a little tighter around himself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world.
You may balk at this, but Kurgan's statements such as "Unfounded attacks on character, loads of hyperbole, and fallacious information are the best way to make a point" indicate that we're not all looking at the same set of facts. Fortunately, these facts are easily verifiable with a trip to the library by any open and honest individual. Alas, Kurgan complains a lot. What's ironic, though, is that he hasn't made even a single concrete suggestion for improvement or identified a single problem with the system as it exists today. We should exuberantly bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives. This implies that he likes thinking thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's why I don't care what others say about Kurgan. He's still indecent, ungrateful, and he intends to dupe his co-conspirators into believing that he is the one who will lead us to our great shining future. All Lord Kurgan cares about is money. That is why, come what may, we must expose the connections between the condescending problems that face us and the key issues of priggism and masochism.
This has been my impression of one of Kurgan's posts.
I can't believe you took the time to write all that. Especially since I can't imagine anyone reading it all...
Originally posted by Nylith
Allow me to introduce myself. I'm the founder of the Anti-Lord Kurgan Society. In this letter, I will tell you what made me form such an organization and how I plan to use it to inculcate in the reader an inquisitive spirit and a skepticism about beliefs that Lord Kurgan's coadjutors take for granted. First, the misinformation: Kurgan suggests that obscurity, evasiveness, incomprehensibility, indirectness, and ambiguity are marks of depth and brilliance. Where the heck did he come up with that? My answer is, as always, a model of clarity and the soul of wit: I don't know. However, I do know that you can chalk up incidents such as the ones I've described to the blinkered nature of his convictions. Excuse me; that's not entirely correct. What I meant to say is that the dogs of immoralism are barking up a storm, driven half-mad by the thought that Kurgan has OD'd on pharisaism. And that furious barking is music to my ears, because if he thinks that he has his moral compass in tact, then he's sadly mistaken.
What that means, simply put, is that people often get the impression that grumpy heresiarchs and Kurgan's lapdogs are separate entities. Not so. When one catches cold, the other sneezes. As proof, note that Kurgan and I disagree about our civic duties. I believe that we must do our utmost to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers as expeditiously as possible. Kurgan, on the other hand, believes that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. On rare occasions, in order to preserve their liberties, sometimes people must create profound emotional distress for people on both sides of the issue. Kurgan does that even when his liberties aren't being threatened.
He can go on saying that he knows the "right" way to read Plato, Maimonides, and Machiavelli, but the rest of us have serious problems to deal with that preclude our indulging in such manipulative dreams just now. My message is clear: I cannot believe how many actual, physical, breathing, thinking people have fallen for his subterfuge. I'm completely stunned. In public, Kurgan vehemently inveighs against corruption and sin. But when nobody's looking, Kurgan never fails to make people weak and dependent.
All the deals he makes are strictly one-way. Kurgan gets all the rights, and the other party gets all the obligations. Jacobinism is the answer, but only if the question was, "What's the moral equivalent of letting Kurgan identify political and religious groups that are his political enemies and re-label them as 'harebrained Kurgan clones' in order to justify operations against them?" Once, just once, I'd like to see his grunts challenge him to defend his scribblings or else to change them. But until they do that (if they ever do that), we must realize that I see how important his disruptive attitudes are to his yes-men and I laugh. I laugh because I can't live with lousy boors who force us to experience the full spectrum of the Kurgan Rainbow of Paternalism. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Kurgan. Let me move now from the abstract to the concrete. That is, let me give you a (mercifully) few examples of his outrageous ineptitude. For starters, Kurgan's hatchet jobs are sheer idiocy. Let me recap that for you, because it really is extraordinarily important: Kurgan is the type of person that turns up his nose at people like you and me. I guess that's because we haven't the faintest notion about the things that really matter, such as why it would be good for him to distract people from serious analysis of the situation.
Kurgan, does the word "macracanthrorhynchiasis" mean anything to you? Sticks and stones may break my bones, but he is unquestionably up to something. I don't know exactly what, but ignorance is bliss. This may be why Kurgan's apparatchiks are generally all smiles.
It takes more than a mass of amoral thieves to provide a positive, confident, and assertive vision of humanity's future and our role in it. It takes a great many thoughtful and semi-thoughtful people who are willing to take the initiative to shatter the illusion that those of us who oppose Kurgan would rather run than fight. Whatever he claims to the contrary, we've all heard Kurgan yammer and whine about how he's being scapegoated again, the poor dear.
I don't know whether or not you've ever been physically present at a public demonstration by his operatives, but let me tell you, they're pretty dour. Last I checked, in his prank phone calls, incendiarism is witting and unremitting, shiftless and uneducated. He revels in it, rolls in it, and uses it to dump effluent into creeks, lakes, streams, and rivers. I plan to work within the system to persuade my fellow citizens that the more pressing news is that Kurgan is a drooling, hydra-headed monster of force and terror, not because I lack the courage for more drastic steps, but because there may be absolutely nothing we can do to prevent Kurgan from making good on his word to perpetuate misguided and questionable notions of other odious carpetbaggers' intentions. When we compare this disturbing conclusion to the comforting picture purveyed by his drones, we experience psychological stress or "cognitive dissonance". Our only recourse is to reveal the truth about Kurgan's tirades.
Forgive me, dear reader, but I must be so tactless as to remind you that for those of us who make our living trying to shoo him away like the annoying bug that he is, it is important to consider that you'd think Kurgan would see how wrongheaded and smarmy he appears. Whatever weight we accord to that fact, we may be confident that if I didn't think Kurgan would encumber the religious idea with too many things of a purely earthly nature and thus bring religion into a totally unnecessary conflict with science, I wouldn't say that if he would abandon his name-calling and false dichotomies, it would be much easier for me to take up the mantle and oppose our human vices wherever they may be found -- arrogance, hatred, jealousy, unfaithfulness, avarice, and so on. Kurgan, as usual, you prove yourself to be perfidious. I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with him. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I maximize our individual potential for effectiveness and success in combatting Kurgan. I recently heard him tell a bunch of people that deconstructionism is a noble goal. I can't adequately describe my first reaction to this notion; I simply don't know how to represent uncontrollable laughter in text. In asserting that some people deserve to feel safe while others do not, he demonstrates an astounding narrowness of vision.
Kurgan accuses me of being narrow-minded. Does he aver I'm narrow-minded because I refuse to accept his claim that he is beyond reproach? If so, then I guess I'm as narrow-minded as I could possibly be. If demagogism were an Olympic sport, he would clinch the gold medal. Ladies and gentlemen, when a friend wants to drive inebriated, you try to stop him. Well, Kurgan is drunk with power, which is why we must prevent the production of a new crop of subversive disgusting-types. Look, one of the great mysteries of modern life is, Why doesn't he try doing something constructive for once in his life? That's the question that perplexes me the most, because if you were to tell him that his self-fulfilling prophecies are a masterpiece of obnoxious, jaundiced Fabianism, he'd just pull his security blanket a little tighter around himself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world.
You may balk at this, but Kurgan's statements such as "Unfounded attacks on character, loads of hyperbole, and fallacious information are the best way to make a point" indicate that we're not all looking at the same set of facts. Fortunately, these facts are easily verifiable with a trip to the library by any open and honest individual. Alas, Kurgan complains a lot. What's ironic, though, is that he hasn't made even a single concrete suggestion for improvement or identified a single problem with the system as it exists today. We should exuberantly bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives. This implies that he likes thinking thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's why I don't care what others say about Kurgan. He's still indecent, ungrateful, and he intends to dupe his co-conspirators into believing that he is the one who will lead us to our great shining future. All Lord Kurgan cares about is money. That is why, come what may, we must expose the connections between the condescending problems that face us and the key issues of priggism and masochism.
This has been my impression of one of Kurgan's posts.
As one of the few who took the full minute to read that entire post, and one of the fewer who actually understood what you said (and realized you most likely used a flame engine or something like it), I'm terribly sorry but you stumbled onto a gaming forum. You should be looking at
http://www.democrats.org/) for all your liberal anti-establishment needs.
No, scratch that, just redirect your ass to
www.stfunewb.com).
And please don't lord over
www.dictionary.com) for hours trying to make up posts.
In closing,
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It's obvious you did or at least attempt to but i guess your feeble mind could not interpret it... sigh... yet again the defense rests..................
And by the way he is right of his allegations the only time I ever seen Jurgan in a game in the 8 months i played JA was him being a total dick to ppl- in an asteroids game no less- maybe you could call him up sometime- you 2 seem to have a lot in common from all the meaningless posts ive seen from your ass.
p.s tk you can reply all you want but until you can best me to 10 in a dual your opinion means **** to me.... which will never happen- you pick it ill beat you with it, plain and simple... talk it walk it.
And that goes for you to Rumor you both shut the **** up.
much <3 Nylith.....
and edited once more... i cant believe BOTH you douschebags actually took the time to quote his message to your little 2 liner "comebacks".......guess you gotta build those #posts somehow... LOL
Originally posted by saurumonk
It's obvious you did or at least attempt to but i guess your feeble mind could not interpret it... sigh... yet again the defense rests..................
And by the way he is right of his allegations the only time I ever seen Jurgan in a game in the 8 months i played JA was him being a total dick to ppl- in an asteroids game no less- maybe you could call him up sometime- you 2 seem to have a lot in common from all the meaningless posts ive seen from your ass.
p.s tk you can reply all you want but until you can best me to 10 in a dual your opinion means **** to me.... which will never happen- you pick it ill beat you with it, plain and simple... talk it walk it.
And that goes for you to Rumor you both shut the **** up.
much <3 Nylith.....
Oh did you just go there? You actually want to start a flame war with someone whose been on TribalWar since day one?
Wow, guys he went there.
As for quoting his entire post, i'd rather preserve it for posterity. And please, don't hate me because i have more posts than you, not everyone is good enough to be a forum whore.
Rad, the Play Grammar Crusade, please, I have to get to sleep for the big lan tomorrow (just gotta win the cs and the ut2k4 1v1 tourneys hrhr).
Originally posted by saurumonk
edited yet once again... you ever notice it is the ones that constantly spam these forums that you will never find online in a JA game?????? I wonder why that is......
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#1 why don't you add on your edits instead of changing it all the time.
#2 i cant believe you actually used the "omg u noz play" card. See those servers in my signature? That is where you will find us when we take the time out of our day to grace you with a thrashing.
mmmm, the darkside is strong in here
:maul5:
Just to clear things up flame wars are dumb. So is attempting to change my mind about the admin commands just like I can't change yours.
Keep in mind I'm done with the JA community as soon as doom3 or HL2 have an SDK for them. Until then you are stuck with me and my 4 crappy admin commands.
Much Love,
HeX
in review:
1-I told you people that all these mod makers care about is being a big fish in a little toilet, anything for that 15 minutes huh guys?
2-Chosen one is a child molester who hangs out in wal-mart parking lots baiting 9 year olds into his van, shoot him if you ever see him.
3-Watching people who name themselves after ****ing lord of the rings characters flame people is like watching two nerds cock fight at a d&d convention. please shut the **** up and go jerk off to some jap cartoon you ****head.
Originally posted by FK | unnamed
in review:
1-I told you people that all these mod makers care about is being a big fish in a little toilet, anything for that 15 minutes huh guys?
2-Chosen one is a child molester who hangs out in wal-mart parking lots baiting 9 year olds into his van, shoot him if you ever see him.
3-Watching people who name themselves after ****ing lord of the rings characters flame people is like watching two nerds cock fight at a d&d convention. please shut the **** up and go jerk off to some jap cartoon you ****head.
This is going up on my wall, laminated and framed.
Originally posted by Rumor
[IMG]#2 i cant believe you actually used the "omg u noz play" card. See those servers in my signature? That is where you will find us when we take the time out of our day to grace you with a thrashing.
Speaking of which, I think I hear a ball bouncing in the distance... Retard numero uno has left the building.
Originally posted by TK-8252
I can't believe you took the time to write all that. Especially since I can't imagine anyone reading it all...
Aw c'mon TK, you disappoint me:
1) Go online and copy and paste some long rambling speech you find into Wordpad or any word processor. Actually, any old Kurgan post would also suffice (LOL, j/k).
2) Use Find and Replace and replace "King George" or "Adolf Hitler" or whomever the speaker was talking about with "Lord Kurgan". Copy and paste the text into your post. Done.
Originally posted by TK-8252
But I'll just be fair here. I'm losing interest in Jedi Academy altogether now. It's just one short summer vacation until Star Wars Battlefront comes out. Let's hope these coders keep their rotten admin abuse commands out of Battlefront!
Better idea, get one of the other great games that are comming out. I'm sure with Battlefront those starwars "fan" people will just kill that game to.
*sigh*
Once again, a mod gets turned into an admin abuse tool. |:
The problem is not wanting to give the admins options for handling people who are against their server's rules (though I am by NO means a fan of honour code), it's that you make those options the wrong ones. Kick, ban, and perhaps sleep I can see some reasoning behind. But where is the reasoning behind slap? It's not like he's gonna take you seriously when he gets sent flying 10 meters, through the air (trust me, I'm probably one of the most slapped players in the history of JK2), whereas giving him a kick so he has to reconnect will show him you're serious. Or sleep him, so you make sure his attention isn't focused on blowing up other people. Talk with him a bit, then let him go again when he's gotten the message, or just kick him . If he's such a lamer anyway, why keep him on the server, other than for petty amusement with the all powerful /ampunish?
This community has been dying ever since some guy said "hey, I'm Luke Skywalker". Admin mods that allow abuse (note: not just admin mods that enable kick/ban without rcon) are but accelerators for the final kill (which I hope won't come any time soon.... despite the fact that if I want to find out the number code for disabling all weapons but saber, I just have to look at any given FFA server via ASE). Pretty much the only last standing fortresses against this honour/abuse code, are siege and CTF servers, with a few select FFA servers.
If I may remind the saber-only, honour code people; this is an FPS, acronym for "First Person Shooter". Aka a shooting game per definition. Sure, there's a saber in it. But it is still meant to be about fighting - not seeing how many emotes you can show off with in 5 minutes.
Yeah, I'm pretty much done for now... hope that made sense.
*goes back to playing some basejk ctf*
PS: Wal-mart isn't that international, is it? McDonalds' would've made a much better example... ;)
PPS: How can I change my username? Must've been on crack when I registered with this name. :|
whats the point in removing the abuse commands in Xmod? admins will simply use another mod that does have admin abuse commands.
All I have to say is GJ HeX :) You took time to make a mod for the guys who like to play JK:JA, that's what I care mostly about. I don't care about the admin abusive commands. Not many admins are abusers; if they are, then just leave the server. If many ppl do that, and the admins see that not many ppl are on their server, they might learn a thing or two about how "good" admin abusing is. And I didn't even take the time to read all of Kurgan's long posts, cuz well, making long posts doesn't make you more correct. On the contrary, long posts force you to repeat yourself, contradict yourself, and other stuff the poster wouldn't want to happen to himself.
Once again, GJ HeX :)
Originally posted by saurumonk
p.s tk you can reply all you want but until you can best me to 10 in a dual your opinion means **** to me.... which will never happen- you pick it ill beat you with it, plain and simple... talk it walk it.
oh n0ez i ph34r j00 gr34t 1 plz dont pwnz meh ina d00l!11111
:roleyess:
Sorry, I don't "duel." I prefer siege, thanks. :roleyess:
Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
Aw c'mon TK, you disappoint me:
1) Go online and copy and paste some long rambling speech you find into Wordpad or any word processor. Actually, any old Kurgan post would also suffice (LOL, j/k).
2) Use Find and Replace and replace "King George" or "Adolf Hitler" or whomever the speaker was talking about with "Lord Kurgan". Copy and paste the text into your post. Done.
Bah, people do some stupid stuff. I would have never thought to do that. Nor would I ever need to...
Hex can speak for himself about his own mod if he wants to. If he didn't want to open himself up for criticism, he should never have released a public mod
I have every right to speak against Hex's foolish decision.
If you can speak against him then I can speak for him (not that he needs it.....).
and support it? we run it on both our servers. not to mention WE (as in ami, my teammates, myself, kurgan, and a few others) were the ones who were pushing it in the first place so don't go down the "you should have supported the mod" bull**** road.
There was a time when your support was given, but it didn't last, so your back supporting it again, then there isn't a problem.
Originally posted by =X=Master HeX
as doom3 or HL2 have an SDK for them. Until then you are stuck with me and my 4 crappy admin commands.
OH NOS HONORXSXZ XMOD 4 DOOM3ANDHL2 OH NOS?!111ONEONEONE....
:indif: i would hate to see what the hell you'd do to HL 2..
*shudders at the thought of crowbar down = peace and crowbar duels..*
Another admin mod flame war on lucasforums? Who would have thought? :)
This game is unique in that it doesn't just attract the competitive gamer, but also star wars fans. The latter group doesn't care so much about the frags, but would rather play Jedi. Ya know what? That's fine. To each their own. That's no reason to piss on their picnic.
Blaming the mod for the actions of crappy admins is like blaming the road for crappy drivers. The two are mutually exclusive. If you don't like a server then don't play on it. No one's forcing you to.
What ruins the community more than abusive mods are these pointless arguments. Who in their right mind would want to be a part of this community after reading crap like all this? Let's all be frineds and play games. :)
BTW: Whatup kurgan and tyrion. Howya been? ;)
Originally posted by NerfYoda
BTW: Whatup kurgan and tyrion. Howya been? ;)
Holy crap, you're back! I am still using the same sunglassed avatar you made for me. :p
Originally posted by Exar Kun Rules
PPS: How can I change my username? Must've been on crack when I registered with this name. :|
You can either PM an administrator *cough* Kurgan *cough* or post in this thread:
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106555)
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Wow I cant belive you people.
Do you think JKA is the only game with Abuse Mods ?
Check out rocmod for Solider Of Fortune.
Hell you can catch someone on fire !
You can slap them its a different command but does the samething.
Maybe People are not playing this game because it not that good ?
Not because of the Mods because they are bored with the game.
I would have stoped playing if this game didnt have the Mods.
The Mods Hex and Slider put out is the only thing that keeps this game worth playing.
Instead of slaming these guys you should be patting them on the back for a job well done.
For keeping the game you love alive.
You can find lots of servers that let you play anyway you want.
Simple fact not too many people play.
I have gone to clan servers and asked "Hey Wanna play FFA no admin powers" and almost always get a SURE !
And we have fun play how we want.
I have also seen peeps come into a server look for host abuse the host then cry admin abuse.
They know what they are doing dont kid yourself.
How many peeps are playing Halo ?
Not too many.
Is it because some jerk made a Mod ? I DONT THINK SO !
Is it because the game sucks ?:laughing:
Come together people keep the peace.
:usa:
Originally posted by TK-8252
You can either PM an administrator *cough* Kurgan *cough* or post in this thread:
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106555)
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Thanks! :)
Originally posted by old man
You can find lots of servers that let you play anyway you want.
That might have been true nine months ago, not any longer.
Define "lots". Sure, if the "anyway you want" is no guns, few Force powers or none except jump, g_forceregentime 0, JA Plus Mod, dueling and chatting only, there are several servers to choose from. But plain old traditional FFA (don't even mention TFFA) with all guns enabled, all Force powers enabled, and no "honors" rules? Where?
Originally posted by old man
Simple fact not too many people play.
I agree with you there. But you have to ask: why? You say it's because the game is "not that good". Well, some people agree with you, others don't. Some of us think, no, some of us know that a lot of people were turned off by the hostile, unwelcoming, contrived, artificial, inhibiting atmosphere at a lot of modded servers where enforcing made-up rules was way more important than welcoming people and letting them have fun *cough* MChrono at jk3files.com server *cough*
Originally posted by old man
I have gone to clan servers and asked "Hey Wanna play FFA no admin powers" and almost always get a SURE !
You must be incredibly charismatic and persuasive.
Of course, by "FFA" you probably meant no guns, no Force, and a gentlemen's agreement that no one would "lame" another person.
I tried JO and quickly quit playing it as soon as I had started again, I stumbled upon some guy with a kick-script and got admin commands thrown at me for owning some admins in duels.
As for this topic I see no way to end these 'saber off = peace' crap system that all these immature freaks are pulling. There is no way...
Originally posted by Master William
I tried JO and quickly quit playing it as soon as I had started again, I stumbled upon some guy with a kick-script and got admin commands thrown at me for owning some admins in duels.
As for this topic I see no way to end these 'saber off = peace' crap system that all these immature freaks are pulling. There is no way...
Easiest way to beat kick scripts: take the guy to the inclines.
Guys (And girls ;)),
Hex made the mod. It is his to do with as he likes, weather we like it or not. Flaming will not change his stance. While I believe it isn't a good thing to have these commands in the mod, I cannot sit and dismiss the mod for what it is aside from those commands: very much what myself and many other people requested. Hell, i was about to talk to hex about a separate version with bugfixes/options/tweaks that most people wouldn't want to bother with (like the scoreboard, stats, etc) because of a required download when i first saw this thread.
VAM, JAM, JA+, etc. are not the progenitors of abusive admin commands. Those go back to Quake 1, Half-Life, CS, etc. They will continue to be made as well.
I've seen a lot of crap in this thread.
I want to see no more.
Call me a Nazi mod who abuses his powers if you want to, because that's exactly what I am.
*evil laugh*
Originally posted by Amidala from ChopShop
Define "lots".
.........SF IP 67.15.21.236:29070
.........JF IP 66.165.90.202:29070
........[pot] IP 67.37.184.123:29070
-=BOSK=- IP 67.15.52.216:29070
lEXJKl IP 68.102.111.188:29070
==NETUTRAL_GROUNDS== IP 66.15.3.204:204:29070"like that one I bet "
;)
-=Nitro=- IP 67.15.19.166:29070
[SJO] IP 68.249.245:81:29071
AAW Battle Ground IP211.53.170.221:29070
Ailces House IP 64.154.162.196:21788
Asian-cuisine game zone IP 202.71.97.42:29070
and oh yes the Chop shop FFA server stoped there so that would mean I was at c.
All full force and all the guns you could want.
Originally posted by Amidala from ChopShop
You must be incredibly charismatic and persuasive.
Why thank you I must be!
Hopfully Im persuasive enough to help you understand your agument doesnt hold water.
Get out and play on some of these servers,and if your lucky you might find some players on them.
Face the facts Amidala,you have paid servers on a game not too many people play.
Is it Hex's fault ?
Is it Sliders fault ?
I dont think so.
When my Friends who play Solider of Fortune ask about JKA (the game they stoped playing) They always ask whats going on with the mods.
I never hear AHH those darn mods if not for them I would still be playing JKA.
Support Our Troops !:usa:
Maybe because she's fast enough for you, old man?
Originally posted by old man
.........SF IP 67.15.21.236:29070
.........JF IP 66.165.90.202:29070
........[pot] IP 67.37.184.123:29070
-=BOSK=- IP 67.15.52.216:29070
lEXJKl IP 68.102.111.188:29070
==NETUTRAL_GROUNDS== IP 66.15.3.204:204:29070"like that one I bet "
;)
-=Nitro=- IP 67.15.19.166:29070
[SJO] IP 68.249.245:81:29071
AAW Battle Ground IP211.53.170.221:29070
Ailces House IP 64.154.162.196:21788
Asian-cuisine game zone IP 202.71.97.42:29070
and oh yes the Chop shop FFA server stoped there so that would mean I was at c.
All full force and all the guns you could want.
Wow, I have no idea what real ffa is to you, but considering I've played it at most of those servers and have been kicked and/or banned at more than half those, I do not think that means what you think it means.
Originally posted by old man
.........SF IP 67.15.21.236:29070
.........JF IP 66.165.90.202:29070
........[pot] IP 67.37.184.123:29070
-=BOSK=- IP 67.15.52.216:29070
lEXJKl IP 68.102.111.188:29070
==NETUTRAL_GROUNDS== IP 66.15.3.204:204:29070"like that one I bet "
;)
-=Nitro=- IP 67.15.19.166:29070
[SJO] IP 68.249.245:81:29071
AAW Battle Ground IP211.53.170.221:29070
Ailces House IP 64.154.162.196:21788
Asian-cuisine game zone IP 202.71.97.42:29070
and oh yes the Chop shop FFA server stoped there so that would mean I was at c.
All full force and all the guns you could want.
Get out and play on some of these servers,and if your lucky you might find some players on them.
Yes, there are still a few EMPTY full-weapon full-force "traditional" (no "honor" rules) FFA servers out there, that just proves my point. Maybe they used to have players, maybe they never did, but they don't now. People who play and have played other games and know the way the rest of the gaming world plays FFA left. Or new players who had the misfortune of going to one of those "honor" servers either were treated like cr@p for playing, or were brainwashed and intimidated into joining the "honor" ranks.
Oh, and BTW, I don't know how current your list is, but out of the first three servers you listed, one is saber only and another is not listed in the All Seeing Eye, Qtracker, and /connect 67.37.184.123 got me nothing, and so it is probably dead. And my FFA server has been gone for a few weeks, but thanks for mentioning it. After that I didn't bother checking the rest of your list, I have better things to do.
Get out and play? I have actually gone to ==NEUTRAL_GROUNDS== you mentioned in the past and saw the typical "prison guards watching the prisoners in the exercise yard atmosphere" with "admins" teleported up to the highest parts of the map, watching for any "laming" so they could sleep someone.
Don't get me wrong, admin-power abuse isn't the ONLY reason people left the game, it's just one of the biggest reasons.
People didn't stop playing BECAUSE of the mods per se, it was what 13-year-old admins DID WITH the mods that drove people away.
Aren't we getting slightly off-topic?
Originally posted by Amidala from ChopShop
Oh, and BTW, I don't know how current your list is, but out of the first three servers you listed, one is saber only and another is not listed in the All Seeing Eye, Qtracker, and /connect 67.37.184.123 got me nothing, and so it is probably dead. And my FFA server has been gone for a few weeks, but thanks for mentioning it. After that I didn't bother checking the rest of your list, I have better things to do.
Your right didnt pull down new list.Point being there were 12 when I reached the letter C. The list is a couple weeks old.
Thats more then a few Amidala.
Originally posted by Amidala from ChopShop
Don't get me wrong, admin-power abuse isn't the ONLY reason people left the game, it's just one of the biggest reasons.
Maybe thats true with the people you know,but its not true with the people I know.
Originally posted by Amidala from ChopShop
People didn't stop playing BECAUSE of the mods per se, it was what 13-year-old admins DID WITH the mods that drove people away.
I also hate 13 year old power mongers dont play at servers were they are at.
Originally posted by VaderJM
Wow, I have no idea what real ffa is to you, but considering I've played it at most of those servers and have been kicked and/or banned at more than half those, I do not think that means what you think it means.
Wow you must be on the lookout for trouble when you play to get kicked off so many servers.
Maybe you should figure out what kind of behavior issuses you might have.
Let me try to help you.
If you go to a server and they arent playing the game how you would like leave before you get kicked or banned.
Hope this helps you VaderJM
Happy 4TH all :usa:
The main reason JA+ mod is ruining JA is because it encourages so many newbie settings. For instance, it makes force regen 0 as a standard setting. Thus, all the newbie FFA full force clans think this is the way the game is supposed to be played, and won't listen to reason. Thus, Full force dueling and tffa is basically ruined with these groups. They simply don't understand why a neverending drain fest that basically ends up in a contest to see who fails to break the other persons grip kick first is moronic.
Also, there is nothing you can do to avoid admin tyrants. If hex didn't put the commands in, they would just use JAmod to get them. JA mod is a pos, everyone who played jk2 knows it. All JA mod does is give you a dumbed down and less complex version of jk2 style gameplay. The full force saber community in jka is a total joke. I play on Sanguis Fratrum Duels (Great duel server running xmod2). This guy from a clan called IJ comes in claiming they are the most elite full force clan in jka. I hammered him non stop for 2 maps during which time all I heard was "this slow force regen is for newbs" (it was set to standard 200), and one time when I used the out of LoS grip he said "OMG THAT IS SO LAME". He ended up saying jk2 sucked and was for newbies, and that JKA with jamod and 0 force regen was the elite way to play and left. There is no reasoning with these newbies. They will never leave the comfort of their JA mod 0 force regen drain fest servers where the only legitimate attack is grip kick.
In the end you just have to accept that JA mod was made by a newbie and corrupted the JA players with his newbie mod. Xmod was made by Hex whom i've played with for years, and is clearly the superior mod. With or without admin commands.
Amidala, I was having alot of fun on chop shop ctf with xmod speed raging and what not. A shame you took it off, now it's just like 3 other servers.
About the honour stuff, it doesn't take much to get banned... Today on JO, me and my friend entered a clanserver. We accidently kicked the clan leader right in the head and suddenly the whole clan chases us through the map like psychos and eventually ban us.
We entered a new server, and we saw some girl/guy with the name Nikita. We saw his/her saber was up and she/he wasn't chatting/etc (we were clearly following the rules on the server) and again, some guy who thinks he is gonna get a sweet hug by Pamela Anderson attacks us and eventually bans my friend. I eventually left though.
And let me just tell you that these idiots couldn't beat us with empowering themselves with /amempower.
See, it's all brainwash
This guy from a clan called IJ comes in claiming they are the most elite full force clan in jka. I hammered him non stop for 2 maps during which time all I heard was "this slow force regen is for newbs" (it was set to standard 200), and one time when I used the out of LoS grip he said "OMG THAT IS SO LAME". He ended up saying jk2 sucked and was for newbies, and that JKA with jamod and 0 force regen was the elite way to play and left.
Heh, that server is always empty, but it's really good for training when some SF guy is in there. Oh, and who was that guy from IJ?
BTW, hello, Red. :) I'm Druid from DS.
Edit: Nevermind I thought AS was arguing about the default JA setting (200) rather than the JA+ setting (did they really set it to "0"? man that's stupid!).
AnalogSaint, please refrain from flaming other forum members and using obscene language. Thank you.
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I have already argued at great length why one can't simply say "well he should put these features in and only bad people will use them." Xmod2 is NOT helping the community by putting in abusive admin commands "just because JA+ Mod has them."
Hex basically said already that he put them back in to increase the popularity of his mod (I guess thinking that JA+ Mod's popularity is due to the abusive admin commands). So essentially he's admitted to appealing to the lowest common denominator in the community, the anal-retentive "h0n0r n00b" that we constantly berate on here. That's why it's upsetting to Xmod2 fans like me, because Xmod2 used to be aimed at competative players and serious gamers, now it seems he's trying to appeal to the 12 year old mindset with this move.
Does Hex honestly believe that the only reason people don't use his mod as much as JA+ is because of the lack of abusive admin commands?
Maybe he will wait and see if the numbers go up. If they do, then he'll have finished the ruination of the community by making the rest of the servers abuse-ready. I guess we lose either way.
Also, let's stick to the issue (Xmod2). Those space filler "debate joke insult" jpegs don't add anything to the discussion and are really cliche!
yeah, the default force regen for ja+ newbie mod is 0. And what happened was that all the newbies who started playing jka and saw people grip kicking and what not began using ja+ instead of xmod, and now refuse to play on any other setting. It's incredibly homo.
The Sanguis Fratrum full force duel server is more then just "good for practice" It's the only full force duel/ffa server in the whole game that has jk2 style gameplay plus all legitimate standard settings. It's the only real place for competitive full force dueling in the whole game.
Originally posted by AnalogSaint
Also, there is nothing you can do to avoid admin tyrants. If hex didn't put the commands in, they would just use JAmod to get them. JA mod is a pos, everyone who played jk2 knows it. All JA mod does is give you a dumbed down and less complex version of jk2 style gameplay. The full force saber community in jka is a total joke. I play on Sanguis Fratrum Duels (Great duel server running xmod2). This guy from a clan called IJ comes in claiming they are the most elite full force clan in jka. I hammered him non stop for 2 maps during which time all I heard was "this slow force regen is for newbs" (it was set to standard 200), and one time when I used the out of LoS grip he said "OMG THAT IS SO LAME". He ended up saying jk2 sucked and was for newbies, and that JKA with jamod and 0 force regen was the elite way to play and left. There is no reasoning with these newbies. They will never leave the comfort of their JA mod 0 force regen drain fest servers where the only legitimate attack is grip kick.
In the end you just have to accept that JA mod was made by a newbie and corrupted the JA players with his newbie mod. Xmod was made by Hex whom i've played with for years, and is clearly the superior mod. With or without admin commands.
In case you didn't know:
JAMod -> mod for JK2 by cHoSeN-oNe
JA+ Mod -> mod for JKA by Slider
So I guess that in the above posts you mean JA+ mod, not JAmod; but I can't tell if all of them are wrong :\
Analog, not just the honour guys play like that, some people just don't want extremely slow force regeneration and people spamming kicks everywhere. if I want kicks I go to JK2 or Xmod servers
Were people in the habit of using forceregentime 0 in JK2?
'Cause I think those who complain about spamming are the same people who set forceregentime to "0" in JA, saying that "force takes forever" and they "don't want to wait."
Raven made the saber moves use up Force mana a reason, after all.
It throws off the game balance by essentially giving everyone infinite force (I should qualify that by saying one more thing... this really benefits "instance use powers" at the expense of powers that halt your regeneration). It makes Force Boons and Team Regeneration pointless as well.
This is a problem with admins, and it's a bigger problem with JA+ Mod, but again, we're discussing Xmod2 here, right?
Fine, it's been established that JA+ Mod and Xmod2 are very differnet from one another.
I guess this helps to reinforce my point that Hex is mistaken to believe that the only thing stopping people from using his mod is the lack of abusive ampunish style commands. So it wasn't that big of a digression...
some people just don't want extremely slow force regeneration and people spamming kicks everywhere
That made no sense. 0 force regen is insanely more spammy then legit force regen. I don't know what else to say, that comment was just clueless.
Nice mod, but I have a quick question - does the cvar that stops grip from turning off your saber also stop grab-drain from turning off the saber? If not, could you add such an option? Thanks.
Edit: Erm, how do you use the mod? It doesn't appear in the mod list, and the readme isn't clear on how to actually use the command it mentions to load the mod... Thanks.