There's been talk of a JK2 superclan ever since JK2 was announced. There is a topic on the WD board that you (good players only) should read.

If you dont have the link, ask a WD for it on the zone. Unless we know you and you have a rep among the elites, Ill delete your post.

I know many of you (I'm talking to the good players) read the WD board, but I though I'd post here anyway.

We're talking about WD and DSbr merging into one unstoppable JK clan so we can dominate JK2 as well. WD_NiGhTMaReZ is really pushing for it, along with several others. Many of the oldschool WDs and DSbrs are returning for JK2.

I would like for those in Syk, HDK, JaG, and anyone else who is good (I mean REALLY GOOD) at JK to check out the thread on the WD board.

-=WD=- Savage/ToRMeNt

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: -WD- ToRMeNt ]

This post should be removed, it has no purpoe here, and as a l33t player of JK i am insulted by the retardedness of the post.

all those clans are pale. GE (my clan) will be 4 years old in a few months. and unlike most clans we know how to play other levels than oasis. I hope to god that that level is not in JK2

You? Elite? LMAO I doubt it. I posted this here so all the real elites can see it and consider joining the new clan. Don't be mad because you're not good enough to join.

I slaughtered tons of WD in my time, and dont get me started on DSBr...y ou guys may have it on guns, but sabers is the real deal, and as far as sabers go, WD and DSbr suck at them. If your gonna play guns stick to QIII or Unreal Tourney.

HAHAHA NF Sabers HAHAHAHA. NEWS FLASH: NF sabers will be nothing like it was in JK. The lag that helped you in JK will kill you in Q3. There are so many "elite" NFers but they just have bad connectionss that lag and drop packets. That isn't gonna work in JK2.

You're forgeting about FF Jordus. WD/DSBr owns Full force guns and sabers, and WD has a stronge NF guns side. As far as NF sabs, we don't care. To many newbies play it and it's totaly dependant on your net connection. With the Q3 engine in JK2, we'll prolly have a powerfull NF sabs branch as well.

[ July 10, 2001: Message edited by: -WD- ToRMeNt ]

Ditto on the paleness and guns thingy

im with you jordus
And anyway lag in jk did not help you. if you were good enough you learnt to use lag not let it help you
if this is a bit confusing for you gunners out there dont worry i understand ;)

Torment, in all your calculations, you seem to be ignoring the fact that: What happens if the powers don't work in the ways that you're used to. What happens if Raven recognized that JK's play probably got repetive and boring over the years and created something new. You might find that a lot of your ff skill isn't compatiable with Jk2.

If force speed and force jump become limited powers(as in can't be used all the time like it is in JK) mapping is dis-allowed and if serious splash damage weapons are removed, the FFers would have trouble. After all, much of your play becomes based on control of items. If levels become smaller due to speed relatively disapearing, it'll become more CTF Nar strategy based. What happens if raven creates a saber/force equilibrium so that neither the saber or the force dominates the play? The nf saberists(the ones that don't rely on lag tatics and have good pcs/conn) you smugly berate would become your equal. Them strong in saber use but weak in force and you strong in force but not as good as them in saber use. WD and DSbr will be good, but old Jkers returing and ppl coming in from other Q3-like games will equally be good.

I personally hope Raven can hit a equilibrium of Force + Saber so that instead of JK being devided up into NF sabs/guns FF sabs/guns, it would merely be devided up into Guns and Sabers. A new look.

If the majority of JK skills carries over, that means RAVEN just produced JK again, only this time with fancier graphics. Who wants that? If raven is reading this, please don't remake JK. Keep some of the classical aspects of the DF series, but also create something fairly orginal that requires new skills and new strategies. I've spent years on JK and no matter how nice the graphics are, I don't think I'd want to play JK version 2 for several more years.

Bottom line: JK was fun for 4 years, but that was 4 years ago. Create something new; for alot of us, its not just the graphics that turn us off from JK. The gameplay got repetitive as well.

If I were to make judgements on who would be the best in JK2 a few weeks after its release I'd have to say:
Jk2 will have lots more useful force powers as opposed to JKs only useful 8 powers(2 of which aren't even of access to you depending on what side your playing). MotS also had more useful force powers thus requiring the players to coordinate more. JKers will be less experienced at this and be behind mots ppl initially. People in JK that were strong all-arounders will be the ppl that probably grasp it quickly too. If theres no splash damage, alot of the clans with gunnersthat have 'make every shot count' aim will also be great 'cos they'll be able to hit ppl the easier. Of course, only HDK has those right now; most NF gunners now play Ji O, which was meant to be just a training level - Playing Oasis NF take packs is alot harder than this Ji O leave packs crap. You becomd profficent in weapons like stormtrooper rifles, rail use and effective saber use vs gun wielders in that sort of play. Not to mention the much larger strategy required.

Either way, it sounds that you only think that the only capable players are in DSbr or WD. You'll find that you'll end up as equals to everyone else playing unless raven fooks up and simply remakes JK with new graphics. If thats the case, you might as well save yourself 40 bucks and keep playing JK b/c u wouldn't be gettin anything new..

Deathbolt, you're missing the idea here man. Let's say for a second that the gameplay in JK2 is very much differant from JK. Everyone starts from scratch yes? Well there are certain people who will be the ones who discover all the tricks, tactics, what works and what doesn't for JK2 (MaReZ, Shinji, Luke18...). Most likely, these people will be the same ones who did it in JK.

Potential is another thing. The people who became expert/elite in JK are the type of people to work twords getting elite in JK2. Look at the people who post on this board. Most are content to play on a casual level, they never get serious. Maybe do or don't do certain things because they want the game to be like the movies.

Then there are those (that's you, me, and the people this post was meant for) who don't care what's in the movie, they want to WIN and be the best.

Now wouldn't it be cool to have a superclan made up of the best from JK? We could really push the limits faster, train each other, DOMINTATE JK2 hehe. There are going to be a lot of Q3 and UT players playing JK2, I say we show them what JK is all about hehe.

On a more practicle side, think for a moment of the 90% of zoners who are causal gamers. It's boring playing with them right? And I'm sure most of them would just want to do thier "like in the movies" thing and not get raped by a hardcore gamer. It would be nice if we could keep the hardcore community together so we can play each other OUR way without having to worry about being kicked for "hacking."

Perhaps the most important thing is keeping the "elite" community together. I hate repeating myself, check the WD MB for the threat.

BTW if you had read my post, you would have seen HDK as one of the clans I listed so chill out.

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: -WD- ToRMeNt ]

this whole "elite" thing really is getting ridiculous.. why would you stick around to PLAY a game that's (nearly) 4 years old? I can understand editing it, because I do it myself.. but playing straight JK? blech.

and the point of this post was nearly nonexistent too, other than to brag about your "eliteness" and how you "will dominate JK2 with a superclan", blahblahblah...

I agree in what torment says about keeping the community together. Its all good.

SyK4LifE


P.s. Who is GE? Seriously, I have never heard of them until reading this message board. x-Wing vs Tie Fighter clan?

I'll try to be nice... the point was to inform those that i can't reach by other means of the potential clan.

That's quite right orion. Super clan or not, I would like to keep our community of hard core gamers more or less together.

Whether we use Zone, Gamespy, Kali, or an IRC channel, I want to be able to talk to people I know. I don't want to to be like quake where you never see the same person twice.

There are going to be tons of JK2 players. Welp, at least we have our clan message boards.

An empire of all the best players from JK1 is still a cool idea though hehe.

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: -WD- ToRMeNt ]

Torment, I love the idea, think you're going about it the wrong way though, as you probably gathered from the response...

I however wish you the best of luck with it. Like I said, it's got potential. ;)

If Jk2 uses a simliar setup like Battle.net without hosting the games for ya(thus creating lag).

If I want to find or message my friends, I just enter in /whois ThereNumber and it tells me what game they are in.

The UT setup was great except for that one feature.

You just have to take steps to have chat rooms that all the community now goes to keep it together..

hehe I still think tho that older clans like DH and IRN are going to come right up behind and knock you guys on your asses..

I've never joined a clan in my life and I never will.

I was offered to join some but I allways rejected. I hate having to play with a wierd slogan in front of my name. I also see no point of having a pissing contest with other people just to act like your all that. If you are good, then your good. Dont add it to your ego. Other players will see your good on the kill chart!

Also, what is the point of "having an empire of jk1 players"? IF you are all THAT good, then there will be nobody to play against and making YOUR game boring and OUR game boring (the not so good players who are looking for <u>FUN</u>, not endless masacre.)

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: TheJackal ]

Jackal, I've never been in a clan either, but what you so eloquently refer to as a "pissing contest" is simply another way of having fun. A more official and recognised way. It's a game, there's no problems with having an ego because you're good.

Let them have their clans.

The idea of "the JK empire" was simply to keep in contact so that they can have regular games, and be able to instantly find worth-while opponents. None of slaughtering newbies and learning nothing.
Hope I'm making sense... :)

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: Letalis ]

You're making perfect sense :)

That's comforting, thank you. :rolleyes:

hey guys from -WD- stop being so damn cocky, you guys havent played me, well I dont think you have. after JK2 comes out you'll see

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: GE Joe Solo ]

What exactly are they being *******s about?

Are they not free to express an idea? :confused:

"Elite" and "Clan" are Oxymorons. The only purpose for a clan is, like already mentioned, to know something about who you're playing with so you can team up instead of playing on your own with real skills. They're an advantage in team games, but totally uncool in free-for-all games meant for individual fighters.

"Elite?" BAWW HAW HAA! None of those clan wanks could stand up with me in a one on one. Those clan names are just a great way to know who to boot from your non-team games so you can compete with real opponents. A real elite Jedi Knight player walks alone. That's why you need online player lists and game setup chat screens so you can hook up with the other lone wolves and have a really good competitive game, not get stuck in a game full of clan wankers.

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: Gonk Droid ]

Play you? *sighs* Why don't you save me the trouble and ask SlowbieOne the scores of our 2 games. He was the last one to challenge me. 4 to -2 first game, 9 to -4 second game. And yes, those -s do mean negative.

BTW SlowbieOne, Im kinda sorry about posting the scores, I wasn't planning on doing it but I kind needed a point of referance. You seemed like a cool guy /-=

GE, I'll be watching for you on the zone.

A real elite Jedi Knight player walks alone

Interesting point. Playing in teams is not so they can 'gang up' on single players, but so they can experience a different style of play to the usual good ol' one-on-one!

It doesn't make them less of a player simply because they wish to explore a different style.

You're entitled to your opinion as we all are, but I think it's unnecessary to accuse them of being unskilled or wankers, at least until you've proven yourself against the clan member in question.
Even then, you need only tease someone so far! ;)

So until you've taken on and defeated each and every clan member in the current JK Universe, shut the hell up! :D

Ewwww. I detect that one of my servos struck a nerve. :p

Well Letalis, you do have insight.

Gonk, you only show how little you know. How come you have never been in any clan yet you claim to know so much?

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: -WD- ToRMeNt ]

Games (yes, Jedi Knight IS just a game) are meant as entertainment. My experience is that "elite" clans take the game to seriously. I'd rather be in a clan where you don't have to worry about beating everybody, but just having clean fun with friends (killing and pissing off newbies isn't clean fun, killing them and then teaching them a few ways they could get better is). I would never join a clan if I had to be "a good enough player" for them.

Personaly, I do everything I can to teach newbies. I do get annoyed when the call me a hacker though.

Now Saryl, you basicaly restated what I have said in the past. Mixing casual and hardcore gamers is really not a good idea. Because of the popularity SWs, you have a far more causual (movie fan) players the you are likely to find in a game like quake.

That is why there is such a huge gap in skill and knowleadge. It is also why there is an "elite" community seperate from the general JK population.

Now wouldn't it be nice if all the hardcore kept to fighting other hardcores and left you move fans alone? This superclan is based in part on that idea.

1 Super clan would suck for a game, competition leads to improvement in the level of play, it happens at an individual level, but the clan gives players added incentive to improve. I doubt the top players would be as good as they are now, if there hadnt been clan rivalry to help the improvement of players

Also people who play quake and other games at a similar level to the top jkers play jk will also be in the comunity, and many of them might be keen to stay in their own clans.

(and ff guns is the only way to play jk!!!)

hey torment, ease up man, i know you have your beliefs, and your jk2 superclan would be elite, but dont get mad at these guys ok? i try to be nice to everyone on the zone unless they piss me off, then i go off on em, but dont be so mean, not here, this is a friendly place...
and in case you are wondering, no im not a newbie, and no im not against you...WD and DSbr are elite (so is SLDR)
there, dont get mad now...

It makes me laugh when someone calls themself elite. Maybe they are or maybe they're not. The point is that doing so is the epitome of what the best players are not.

Let's look at Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Joe Montanna, or perhaps Derek Jeter. They are, arguably, among the best to play in their respective games, yet they are also the most humble and well-liked. Yes, they are good, and yes they know it. However, rather than boastfully singing praises about their own accomplishments, they instead practice humility, crediting the effort of the entire team.

The true so-called elites are leaders both on and off the field. Some people would do well to follow their example.

But hey, I recognize that we all have a part to play in this wacky play called life, and someone has to play the part of the braggart that nobody likes. They just shouldn't expect to be called elite by anyone but themselves :cool:

Carry on ;)

question:
do you like
a) shakespeare
b) elvis presley
c) plays in general
or d) all of the above...

hehe, this is not an insult, just a question

Torment, don't puff out your chest to quickly, I'm not looking for, nor do I need your approval. Just because my posts have been in support of your ideas does not mean I don't think you're arrogant, you are, and that's what people are getting annoyed at!

My experience is that "elite" clans take the game to seriously.
I can see what you're getting at, but you said it yourself, Seryl, it's just a game, and 'elite' clans are simply another way to go about playing it. They're having fun, that's just what the game designers wanted (besides money) so how can that be taking it too seriously?

Now wouldn't it be nice if all the hardcore kept to fighting other hardcores and left you move fans alone?
No, it wouldn't, how would one be able to enter the 'elite' if they couldn't play against them? The community needs to mix it up, that's why it is a community. Sure, there needs to opportunities in which those 'elites' can challenge each other, but they can't be completely isolated from the rest of the community!

but dont get mad at these guys ok?
He's not, he's simply passionately expressing his point of view. If he starts abusing people, then tell him off!

The true so-called elites are leaders both on and off the field. Some people would do well to follow their example.

Mmm, well said, basic translation: Torment, don't be so up yourself, then you'll have more respect and possibly some success in your ideas.

*Deep breath*
That really takes it out of you... ;)

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: Letalis ]

hmmmm I spoke to WD-torment on the zone and he didn;t see like an ass there. however just try posting on the WD board and you will find that it's the same as it is here. must be something about message boards that get's these guys worked up.

Sorry, don't get me wrong, I don't think he's an arse. He's simply very confident about his ability to play JK. Some may even say over-confident... ;)

There are so many "elite" NFers but they just have bad connectionss that lag and drop packets. That isn't gonna work in JK2.


There are skilled players in all categories of Jedi Knight. There are plenty of people who have conquered Cases Ladder in the past, that had very good connections and didn't drop packets.


Well there are certain people who will be the ones who discover all the tricks, tactics, what works and what doesn't for JK2 (MaReZ, Shinji, Luke18...). Most likely, these people will be the same ones who did it in JK.


And the entire time that those above were discovering tricks/tactics, there were dozens of other players that were doing the same thing.


Then there are those (that's you, me, and the people this post was meant for) who don't care what's in the movie, they want to WIN and be the best.


And then there are those of us who are all of the above. Some of us enjoy being immersed in the Star Wars universe, but at the same time, we enjoy practicing for hundreds upon hundreds of hours to become the best that we can be.


We could really push the limits faster, train each other, DOMINTATE JK2 hehe.


There are dozens of other good clans that are thinking the same thing. Some of which no longer play JK, but used to be top clans. Just because your clan may have an edge in some areas of JK, doesn't mean that you will in JK2.


this whole "elite" thing really is getting ridiculous.. why would you stick around to PLAY a game that's (nearly) 4 years old? I can understand editing it, because I do it myself.. but playing straight JK? blech.


There are tons of reasons that people continue to play JK/MotS instead of other games. Some play because their connections don't allow them to play anything else effectively. Some play because nothing else can immerse them in the Star Wars universe like these games can. Some people like myself play, because we still consider JK/MotS to be the best game around, even after all of these years.


hehe I still think tho that older clans like DH and IRN are going to come right up behind and knock you guys on your asses..


I was thinking the same thing. ;)


The only purpose for a clan is, like already mentioned, to know something about who you're playing with so you can team up instead of playing on your own with real skills.


I take it you're not familiar with tournaments, ladders or clanwars?


A real elite Jedi Knight player walks alone.


Actually, if you would look at gaming from a realistic standpoint, without being biased, you would come to the conclusion that there are elite players in clans and out. Making generalizations such as the ones you have made usually show that you are biased towards the subject. Remember that clan members can play both in clan matches and lone matches.


Also people who play quake and other games at a similar level to the top jkers play jk will also be in the comunity, and many of them might be keen to stay in their own clans.


Exactly. There will be players from all walks of life coming to JK2. Just because you play JK doesn't mean that you will be better than someone who was an elite EF or Q3 player. You could actually argue that they have an edge with the netcode, being that it will definitely be more similar to EF/Q3 than it will be to JK.


Let's look at Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Joe Montanna, or perhaps Derek Jeter. They are, arguably, among the best to play in their respective games, yet they are also the most humble and well-liked. Yes, they are good, and yes they know it. However, rather than boastfully singing praises about their own accomplishments, they instead practice humility, crediting the effort of the entire team.

The true so-called elites are leaders both on and off the field. Some people would do well to follow their example.


Well stated. That is basically the way that I myself have always felt about the subject. There is nothing wrong with being confident, but boasting just shows weakness in my opinion. It's sad that the majority of skilled players in most games are jerks. That was my main reason for not joining any of the top clans and continuing to this day to avoid playing with people who act like jerks. Sure, they are usually somewhat nice to those who are in their clans, but it's how they treat EVERYONE that really matters.


however just try posting on the WD board and you will find that it's the same as it is here.


Poor guy sounds like he's speaking from experience. WD and DSbr are as famous for their hardcore attitudes/flaming as they are for being skilled players. ;)

I'm not sure of why this post wasn't posted on the Clan Forum, but that's not my concern.

I think that the major point here is that there are plenty of other people who are planning the same type of deal. I know that my clan plans on getting an early start on JK2 CTF(if it is included) and we will definitely be figuring things out as fast as any other clan.

This is similar to what we saw with the release of Q3. Not all of the top Q2 clans became top Q3 clans. There are players that will be coming from everywhere, and to assume that just because you were one of the top JK clans, that you will be a top JK2 clan, is very premature.

Moving this to the clan recruiting board.

Nicely done Reactor, nicely done...

"It makes me laugh when someone calls themself elite. Maybe they are or maybe they're not. The point is that doing so is the epitome of what the best players are not."

You seem to be mudling elite with great :)
Elite players have huge egos as well as a lot of skill.. Great players are those who remain near egoless, like WD_Death was.. although most elites are great in a 1 on 1 conversation, they usually act badly on message boards and large real time chat environments (eg main on the zone). Dunno why. people like jza, narz some of the biggest "chat rapests" are very nice on zf.. wierd..

Anyway.. a Super clan would harm the elite comunities skill levels above the rest, so maybe its a good thing :)

anyway I plan to stay clanless :) (well unless a good team based mod appears..

"this whole "elite" thing really is getting ridiculous.. why would you stick around to PLAY a game that's (nearly) 4 years old? I can understand editing it, because I do it myself.. but playing straight JK? blech."

simple the game has several aspects that no other game has yet rivalled..
Camping is next to impossible, you spawn with the best weapon in the game(the force) although not much ammo. The game truely embraces 3dimensional play, Quake etc only allows planar movement really, or going down, you are restricted to ramps and lifts for up and down movement (save the odd RJ.. which hurts). jk has great 3d movement, which levels like oasis actually emphersise (the reason its the most popular level)
jks also more about control then other fps, which are mainly about aim.. which makes it more precise.. luck doesn't feature into it so much, meaning its all about skill.
(well ff that is, playing NF sabs is stick swinging other games do it better, NF guns has always been pointless, FF bgj I find dull personally.. but thats me..)

*sigh* cant we all just get along? besides...You all hold my pockets...

simple the game has several aspects that no other game has yet rivalled..
Camping is next to impossible, you spawn with the best weapon in the game(the force) although not much ammo. The game truely embraces 3dimensional play, Quake etc only allows planar movement really, or going down, you are restricted to ramps and lifts for up and down movement (save the odd RJ.. which hurts). jk has great 3d movement, which levels like oasis actually emphersise (the reason its the most popular level)
jks also more about control then other fps, which are mainly about aim.. which makes it more precise.. luck doesn't feature into it so much, meaning its all about skill.

im saving that in a text file.. it pretty much sums up what JK has over other games for me :)

NF guns and sabers are equally complex, but they require a similar investment of time in order to learn and understand.

Since i doubt you'll ever take the time to learn nf sabs or ji to the extent you've obviously learned ff, just take my word for it, because otherwise ill have to preach on and on about ji and bgj like you just did about oasis =P

Lucky

from what ive played of nf oasis, its alot to do with control, but it also restricts you to roots like a conventional fps.. rules like leave packs, sabs = peace mean weapon control rarely comes into it.. making it similar in many ways to q3 which is also mainly about health armour control. mines are the only extra dimension to a more conventional fps.. The splash to player velocity is a lot more generous to the shooter then q3 more comparable to q1.. although jks lag is worse. in ff the conks splash to velocity is in the favour of the person being attacked..
NF guns imho is far more like a conventional fps, and has been surpased by q3 and the likes, where as ff hasnt..
NF sabs Isn't too bad, I personally prefer it to ff sabres, although imho it isnt proper sword play, which is what sabring should be about. I am sure just as any game can be with enough attention people will work out how to get advantages in it.. but imo it feels wrong, FF is soo much fun for me I can ignore the fact it doesnt feel star warsy :).

Ji O rules generated a weaker sort of gunners I think.. Oasis NF take packs is the way to go..

A superclan?

I laugh at your feebleness.

I have slaughtered thousands of clanners on the zone and elsewhere on the net.

Odds are I have your head on a trophy board somewhere, -WD- ToRMeNt, so take it to another board.

Most clans are for wusses.

IMO, of course. :D :p

just because a person is in a clan, doesnt mean they are unbeatable. what would give you that idea? there are great players in clans, and there great rogues, unfortunately for me, i am neither...

I believe the idea is clans improve players by having experianced members train new players.. eg WD take decent players and polish them.. and the DSbr nicks the players of WD :D
The thing is when a game starts out their are no experianced players, so the idea then is that one player finds something the whole clan is told.. but if everyones in one clan then the need to find new tricks is deminished so the rate of improvement is decreased accordingly.. lots of small clans is good for growth. Clans or just groups of friends who help each other.. I was never in a real clan.. I found I liked people from a lot of different clans, who seemed to start insulting people just cause they joined one clan, so I liked to stay neutral :) and had to polish my self ;)

and IMHO oasis is the problem with nf guns.. levels like hoodwink are far more fun, or cargo soldiers for mots..

[ July 15, 2001: Message edited by: KillerBee ]

I am far from elite. I know it too, I play games for fun, as entertainemnt as mentioned above. I never played in a clan because I am not interrested. The reason that I am not interrested is that ... I'M NOT INTERRESTED! :)

I wont spend hours trying to better myself or practice certain moves because I know this will bring nothing. Sure, you can brag about it with your friends or people you don't know. But don't we all hate them? ;) I mean, everybody is hipocritical (I hope i got the right english terme). We want to be like then and brag, yet we hate them.

I pretty much stopped playing C-S because all the good servers are flooded with people who talk like a hyperactif trout that has 3 fingers and an attention disorder (aka, those who want to be "1337". I also cannot stand hackers (no it's not poiting at good players and saying they hack, it's obvious. Go <a herf="http://www.jediknightii.net/_jackal/">here</a>) to see screenshots of cheaters I made)

I've met a few clans that are out there just to have fun. In counter-strike the only clan I encountered without any gloating or etc would be the [COP] clan. But that's IT.

Anyways, this is my 2 cents I did in 5 minutes. So if you don't understand or whatever or don't approve... :p

[ July 15, 2001: Message edited by: TheJackal ]

Super clan??? LMAO....hmmmm, trying to restrain from some serious bashing, as I have never been one to prey on the weak or narrow minded...but hey, this is one of those "cant just say nothing" moments.

"If you dont have the link, ask a WD for it on the zone. Unless we know you and you have a rep among the elites, Ill delete your post"

This statement pretty much somes it up, in terms of unparralled egotistic behavior...Unless we know you??? If you have a rep among the elites?? If you haven't heard of someone, that means they are not "Worthy" or welcome....god help you....you should be carefull of the way you portray yourself, as you never know who your talking to....

"There is a topic on the WD board that you (good players only) should read."

How hypocritical is that???

"We're talking about WD and DSbr merging into one unstoppable JK clan so we can dominate JK2 as well. WD_NiGhTMaReZ is really pushing for it, along with several others. Many of the oldschool WDs and DSbrs are returning for JK2"

you mean dominate ff gunz/sabers right...so, since you only about 30-40%( probably 15% gunners) of JK players online play this "frequently", seems to me you are the minority???

"HAHAHA NF Sabers HAHAHAHA. NEWS FLASH: NF sabers will be nothing like it was in JK. The lag that helped you in JK will kill you in Q3. There are so many "elite" NFers but they just have bad connectionss that lag and drop packets. That isn't gonna work in JK2."

NEWS FLASH ToRment...you must be a "HARDCORE"( that hardcore statement makes me want to puke) gunner, since you haven't played enough to get good at sabers?? Lag...since when is lag only in nf saber games??? I guess your connection knows weither or not you are playing ff guns or nf sabers....some new technolgy that only "elites"( which consist of ToRment and a few of his buddies that can't get chicks) now about.....lol....

"As far as NF sabs, we don't care."

Wonder why??? could it be because it takes more time to get good at NF sabers, since allot more people play this than anything else?? Maybe you got good or Elite...lol...at ff guns, ff sabers, cause it was easier for you with allot less competition. Plus, most people wouldn't take the time to get good at guns in jk, when they can play CT or UT?? I'd have to say that 70% of the players like to play JK cause its the only place to have saber duels..cause they are Star Wars fans...yes the friggin movies....we are all fans of the movies and some of like the books...are you not a fan...how did you hear about SW??? Maybe you chose to get good at guns in JK cause there was too much competition in other games like UT and CT???

"With the Q3 engine in JK2, we'll prolly have a powerfull NF sabs branch as well"

I doubt it....too many causal gamers, or "movie fans" in there....awww poor baby, to much competition...lol

You alwasy say its about winning right??? well since lag effects both players, why would this help you win...and if lag helps you win, then you should be all for it right???

Like i have said numerous times...play what you like as its just a game....as far as Most of the players wanted to play sabers, ff or nf...this alone makes it impossible to dominate jk, or jko. You prefernces are your own, and that is cool, but the reality is the true "Elite" player in this conversation.... Final Score: ToRment -10 Reality 100...( sorry for posting the scores ToRment, but I need a reference point...and yes those are negatives bye ToRments name).....lol.....I truly have sunk to his level...god forgive me..
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