Well, someone had to make it be about politics and stuff, I'll go back and check.

EDIT- it was alegis. he said something about Bush ordering the attack on Iraq. my mistake.

Originally posted by yaebginn
Well, someone had to make it be about politics and stuff, I'll go back and check. Does it even matter? Threads arenґt exactly lineair. People have freedom in em when it stays in reasonable borders. Itґs called discussing things. ;)

no it doesnt, few things really matter. and it was something we did not agree, on. so I foudn out so we could get back on the real subject. and from jar jar binks to politics isnt reasonable boundaries.

Originally posted by yaebginn


- can a mod in another forum thats not a supermod ban someone in a different forum? I man enitrely different forums, like the jkforums and battlefront forums.

Yes. In fact I have my finger over the button right now, as I read your ever increasing heart felt posts. :o

- can a mod in another forum thats not a supermod ban someone in a different forum? I man enitrely different forums, like the jkforums and battlefront forums.

Answer: They can find a supermod to take care of a ban.

yaebginn, if you put "Mods r gay" in your signature, you are not only violating several cardinal rules, but you're also making yourself a nice, juicy target. It's flaming. Strike one. You know very well that you do not use the term 'gay' to mean happy. You mean in a derogatory sense, indicative that homosexual people are inferior to straight people and are to be looked down upon. Strike two. Going back to something you said before, calling out Sith's sig as offensive. Yours is just as offensive. What if some kid who just hit puberty came on and saw your sig and the way you use the term 'gay'? You've just kicked yourself in the ass with your roundabout reasoning. Your sig would be just as offensive as Sith's, if not more. Not to mention that his is actually funny whereas yours is simply to incite conflict. Strike three.

A corollary to the last thing I said. You seem to tout yourself as some sort of moral authority. I read your posts in that awful "USA successor" thread and while you are entitled to your opinion, know that others are entitled to theirs as well. Many of the things that you've said can be construed as offensive and flaming, so don't go pointing fingers at people. And since you like the Bible so much, here's some 'Good Word' for ya: "When they kept questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, 'If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." (The Gospel of John, 8:7)

It is obvious that you say things just to get a rise out of everyone. You nitpick on little things and blow them out of proportion and when the mods tell you to settle down, you cry oppression and corrupt moderator. Your whole basis for being here now is to incite discord and stir up trouble. As such, you shouldn't really be surprised to find yourself banned again soon, should you keep up your warmongering ways.

Oh yeah and one final thing. "Mods R Gay" makes you sound like a 3rd-grade bully with a real bad case of AOLSpeak. Not the most attractive thing to be touting around in your sig, is it?

Originally posted by Rogue Nine
yaebginn, if you put "Mods r gay" in your signature, you are not only violating several cardinal rules, but you're also making yourself a nice, juicy target. It's flaming. Strike one. You know very well that you do not use the term 'gay' to mean happy. You mean in a derogatory sense, indicative that homosexual people are inferior to straight people and looked down upon. Strike two. Going back to something you said before, calling out Sith sig as offensive. Yours is just as offensive. What if some kid who just hit puberty came on and saw your sig and the way you use the term 'gay'? You've just kicked yourself in the ass with your roundabout reasoning. Your sig would be just as offensive as Sith, if not more. Not to mention that his is actually funny whereas yours is simply to incite conflict. Strike three.

A corollary to the last thing I said. You seem to tout yourself as some sort of moral authority. I read your posts in that awful "USA successor" thread and while you are entitled to your opinion, know that others are entitled to theirs as well. Many of the things that you've said can be construed as offensive and flaming, so don't go pointing fingers at people. And since you like the Bible so much, here's some 'Good Word' for ya: "When they kept questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, 'If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." (The Gospel of John, 8:7)

It is obvious that you say things just to get a rise out of everyone. You nitpick on little things and blow them out of proportion and when the mods tell you to settle down, you cry oppression and corrupt moderator. Your whole basis for being here now is to incite discord and stir up trouble. As such, you shouldn't really be surprised to find yourself banned again soon, should you keep up your warmongering ways.

Oh yeah and one final thing. "Mods R Gay" makes you sound like a 3rd-grade bully with a real bad case of AOLSpeak. Not the most attractive thing to be touting around in your sig, is it?

Why aren't you an admin yet? :)

I want to have your children niner!

For starters, Groovy, I said that arent supermods, please read closer. thanx to Jed for the answer. and now we come to rogue nine. oh, and thanx to zbomber for quoting it so I dont have to scroll all the way down.

1.Flaming eh? 'If you say yes, you are a f*cking ignorant bastard'- Lynk Former. Thats a direct quote from him in one of our debates. I said yes, by the way. I count that as flaming. You mods are a pretty bad example.

2. My hypothetical sig, right? The one I used as an example. Notice I didnt make it. But Insanesith still has his, and I think ET has the same saying in his. But I find it offensive. Yet he gets to keep it, while I cannot make my Mods sig without getting banned. Just because I am not on good terms with the mods. I assure you if InsaneSith made a sig that said Mods R Gay, you'd look the other way.

3. Ok, thats without sin, I never said I was without sin. In fact, what is that even supposed to do? You banned me. You cast the first stone, you drew first blood. You guys acted like jerks in debates, not me. You started it all.

and that would be the point, I would've reversed the R so it'd be like Toys R Us. I'd just highlight the r, flip it, and paste it into my sig.

and des[ite what many of you seem to believe, I dont hate mods. I respect alot of you, and the ones I dont like, I can count on one hand and still have a finger or two left over. that should be all for now.Heres the list of mods I dont like. (not in order)

1. ET Warrior, your a good forumer, but IMO, a bad mod.
2. Zbomber, we all saw this one coming. You are immature, and annoying.

Thats all for now. Jed, I am not fond of, but I dont hate him or anything. he's a decent mod, I particularly dont like him as a forumer, but as a mod, he's good and doesnt act like a jerk.

ZBomber is not a Moderator.

oh, thanx, my bad, I meant Lynk Former. oh, and if u guys dont want to argue with me, just dont post. I have a weakness for agruing. I see it as a sword fight with words. (I also like to sword fight) I can guarantee you, if you guys just be mature and dont post in response to this post I am curently posting, after rogue nines, cause hes probably posting something as I type. If after rogue nine, you dont post anything in this, I assure you it will die down. If you clsoe it , another will spring up. I wont create it ,but another will. almost definitely. so I'm telling you how to stop this argument, most fo you probably wont do it, but I'm tellign you how.

Originally posted by yaebginn

1.Flaming eh? 'If you say yes, you are a f*cking ignorant bastard'- Lynk Former. Thats a direct quote from him in one of our debates. I said yes, by the way. I count that as flaming. You mods are a pretty bad example.

You pick on Lynk an awful lot. I think someone has a crush on our little Aussie feller! :joy:

2. My hypothetical sig, right? The one I used as an example. Notice I didnt make it. But Insanesith still has his, and I think ET has the same saying in his. But I find it offensive. Yet he gets to keep it, while I cannot make my Mods sig without getting banned. Just because I am not on good terms with the mods. I assure you if InsaneSith made a sig that said Mods R Gay, you'd look the other way.

First off, Sith wouldn't do that because he's sensible. Second, you cannot have that sig for all the reasons I explained above. What part of that first paragraph didn't you comprehend? Perhaps I should speak slower and use smaller words. My apologies.

3. Ok, thats without sin, I never said I was without sin. In fact, what is that even supposed to do? You banned me. You cast the first stone, you drew first blood. You guys acted like jerks in debates, not me. You started it all.

Dude, it's our job. You stepped out of line, you got banned. YOU started it.

and that would be the point, I would've reversed the R so it'd be like Toys R Us. I'd just highlight the r, flip it, and paste it into my sig.

Uh...what? My relevancy detector is not coming on at all...

and desSo, by your logic, good forummer = bad mod. Hmm. Well then, going by your thinking, you'd make a pretty crap-ass one yourself, wouldn't you?[/color]

2. Zbomber, we all saw this one coming. You are immature, and annoying.

[i]You really have no place saying that. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Thats all for now. Jed, I am not fond of, but I dont hate him or anything. he's a decent mod, I particularly dont like him as a forumer, but as a mod, he's good and doesnt act like a jerk.

Wait wait, so Jed is the opposite of ET? How does this calculate? Bad forummer = good mod? Interesting theory you got there, mate.

*searches frantically for his 'English to yaebginn' dictionary*

I can't find it. :( I need a hug.

actually, I would never ever have Mods R gay in my sig, first, that's just stupid, second, I don't think they are "gay".
and no, I would be banned if I had it in my sig.

You have yet to prove any logical reason that my sig is offensive, your stint about it meaning sex with a baby was crap and totally illogical.


yeah man, it's always everyone elses fault. never yours. :rolleyes:


I wish you would have used your 3 day temp ban to grow up and mature, but sadly you have grown worse. If you don't stop, I'm afraid you may end up with a permaban, as much as I dislike you, I do not wish for that to happen as I am a fan of giving people chances to improve themselves. Sadly you are really making me push these beliefs to the limit.

*hugs niner*

for starters, thats a pretty lame point to my first number. shows that you couldnt get anything to counter it. and once again, its circular. You say I got banned for what? flaming, lynk called me a bastard. for what? harrassing link? zbomber told me to kill myself. theres another thingu guys say I got abnned for, but I cant remeber. and for one, its not a theory, its different for everyone. I never said it was a theory. Some are good forumers and good mods, some are neither. You're the one who assumed it was a theory, your bad there. and I would probably make a bad mod, thats why when asked who I'd want to be a mod, I didnt include myself. but theoretically, if he did, you would look the other way. and sensible? check out his current sig.

EDIT- for one, it diod make me think, my thoughts that I display now are correct, and you just refuse to see them. just because they differ from yours, you think they are wrong. and I already told you how to stop this arguing so no one has to get banned (me meaning no one) but you obviously dont care, meaning despite what you said, you dont care whether I get banned. oh, and even u guys can admit, I bring some excitement to these forums. I have a good sense of humor, and a good mind fo debating and such, which is why every1 missed me when I was banned. 'where is yabyginn?' where is yaeb' I dont wanna get banned, but if I go down for my beliefs, then I go down as a martyr.

what do you have against me?
Is it that I have different opions? or what?

I have yet to see any plausible reason to find my sig offensive, I see no explicate language in my sig.

and no, they would ban me for putting mods R gay in my sig, because it is obviously a negative terminology. If I/you truely meant mods r happy, I/you would put that.


I suggest you just deal with the fact that you have no logical argument anymore. Your constant harrasment and provocation in threads incites ad hominem remarks, you ask for it, thus we can't necessarily blame anyone for it, but we try to make sure it doesn't happen. Sometimes people slip through the cracks. I find it odd you think a president doesn't have to be perfect yet a mod should.


yes, because being a martyr on the internet is such a big deal and such a courageous thing :rolleyes:

how courageous of you to anonymously stand up for your beliefs and suffer for them *rolls eyes*:rolleyes:

is there any such thing as an internet martyr

but anywho, is there a point to this whole thread dedicated to your belly aching about how hard life is for you here at LF? personally, if I were being as abused as you say you are, I would have left a long time ago.

what harrassment? please explain. how have I harrassed you guys? and your sig is offensive to me because it features subjects you shouldnt publically talk about. if you disagree, go to your mom right now and say whats in your sig. real loud. or maybe say it loudly at the supermarket. or to everyone you come in contact with. cause everyone you come in contact with on these forums sees your sig. and some are offended by it. if my mom looked over my shoulder and saw ur sig, she'd think less of you. she wouldnt know you, but what you broadcast, makes other, more mature people, think less of you.

EDIT- and my original point was to ask questions ,but once again, they made it into a debate. I said that I find insane siths sig offensive, and they made it into a debate, as they do with all my threads. republicans come here? normally a haven for republicans to check out some funny sites. usa successor? just asking which you think will lead next. think about it. and there is no important point in being a martyr online. but I'd rather be banned for that, then be banned for cussing, or posting porn. and it didnt always be like this. once Et and insanesith came onto these forums, all hell broke loose.

as for the more mature people thinking less bit in your ohh so wisdom filled post. I'm getting the feeling that your mom is the only mature person in your house. Based on your posts, you lack the maturity level.

Speaking of maturity, I being a mature person with my own set of values can see how some can find sith's sig mildy offensive, but no where near as offensive as you are implying. And despite that, I also see how it is withing limits of how offensive it is. Its not graphic in anyway, it doesnt show poeple having sex. It simply says something, if you want, put sith on your ignore list so you dont see his pretty sig everytime you post. Otherwise find someone else to be a troll toward.

/edit
and just for your information, I'm a democrat

Originally posted by yaebginn
what harrassment? please explain. how have I harrassed you guys?

Exhibit A (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133694)

Originally posted by yaebginn
but what you broadcast, makes other, more mature people, think less of you.

I don't. But I guess that's because you are so much more mature than me. ;)

Whatever. This is getting really friggin' ridiculous. It's pretty goddamn obvious that you're just going to keep disagreeing with us for the sake of disagreeing, just to stir up trouble. That's the bottom line. That's why you got banned. Can't remember that other thing? Ask Jed. I think he clearly outlined that for you.


And just shut up with all this 'martyr' claptrap. It's just a friggin' forum, for Chrissakes. You act like some poor, persecuted minority while you're nothing but a troublemaker.

Your thoughts differ from pretty much everyone's standard of sane, logical thinking. So it's not just me.

And believe me, this forum would be better off without you. No one needs you to be here to have fun and discuss things. And your sense of humor is pretty convoluted if you can't take jokes aimed at you. I could've easily rebut your statement about Lynk, but I decided to have a little fun. Whoops. Okay, here it is in plain English. You like to pick on Lynk because he called you a bastard. Whoopdeedo. That's pretty much the only flame argument you've got going for you. And it's piss poor too. You made him seem like he was just saying that out of spite when in actuality, you left out the background behind Lynk's statement. Convenient, eh?

I'm just sick and tired of this.

Bull**** you started this thread for questions. You started it to incite conflict, like you always do.

TK, valid point. I meant in this thread, but its not what I said. and what other threads have I started to stir up conflict, rogue nine? please say. and rogue nine ,dont you normally go in the rs forums? yet you come here and bug me. but I got abnned for coming to rs forums and bugging lynk, but you can do what you please. another thing thats not fair. and if ur sick and tired of it, than leave. I already told u how to stop this, but no one listens. I dont have the strength to stop the arguing. its my weakness, but u guys have diferent wekanesses, so u can stop. you say you are more mature then me? prove it.

I'm a moderator and I'm interested in Battlefront. That gives me every right to be here.

And why would I leave? Because of you? **** no. Been here too long, seen too many of your kind to let it faze me.

you say you are more mature then me? prove it.

Done.

Aaaaaaaand... merged with the rest of this crap! We've got ourselves quite a showcase going here, eh?

1.Flaming eh? 'If you say yes, you are a f*cking ignorant bastard'- Lynk Former. Thats a direct quote from him in one of our debates. I said yes, by the way. I count that as flaming. You mods are a pretty bad example.

And this kids is how you take something out of context. I can't remember which thread it was in but I wasn't flaming or targetting you. I basically said if someone (an anonymous person with those characteristics) came upto me and expressed such ignorance I would say 'If you say yes, you are a f*cking ignorant bastard.' But according to you, I was flaming you. No I wasn't. I was expressing an opinion about unknown people who may be like that.

P O W E R T R I P

TK, it's no wonder you were made a mod -- you're nose is the same color as Jed's skid marks!

This forum is an absolute wreck. And the fact that you decide to temp-ban someone just because you don't agree with them is total trash.
Yet puredemon runs free for weeks to junk up the Sliced Tauntaun with posts such as:
--http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=133539)
--http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=133551)
--http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=133550)
--http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=133549)

Yeah, sure, Jed and Lynk shut him down, but neither one of them are the Sliced Tauntaun mods. And there are three mods for that forum! Were any of them paying attention, or is the Mod Squad just a GURLZ ONLEE club that vacations for two weeks at a time?

There is spam everywhere you look (ex: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=133896) that goes unnoticed. The only threads that get moderated are the ones that are bold enough to say that our mods suck.

he wasn't temp banned because we disagree with him, we've stated why he was temp banned, please be quiet about it now.

Jed and Lynk are supermods, they survey every forum. They are also the ones called in when a banning is called for. Puredemon was a troll and a banning was called for, his threads closed and he was IP banned. Yaebginn harrassed TK in one of those threads even for doing his job, another reason he was temp banned.

"There is spam everywhere you look (ex: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthre...threadid=133896) that goes unnoticed. The only threads that get moderated are the ones that are bold enough to say that our mods suck."

it's not that the threads are shut down because you say mods suck, it's because you have poor arguments to support your claim and when we prove how we were doing are job you come back to making ad hominem remarks and pointing fingers at others.

As you can see that thread was closed down, you have to realize this is an international forum therefore the factor of time zones comes in, kthxbai.

and I see no sign of a powertrip.

All I see is your trollish remarks trying to form some form of a revolt against LF. If you find things so unfair why don't you leave? this is the advice you give to those that speak against america, why don't you do the same since you find it so horrible at these forums.

whos this we? you arnet a mod, insanesith. and TK and Lynk just showed how mature the yare. Rogue Nine closed the thread to end the arguing ,then TK and Lynk just post while its closed so no one can reply besides mods, who are supposed to be mature, and I cant even ask Lynk to stop, because he is now ignoring my pms.

Pick me up a copy of asian fetish weekly when you come back.-Insane Sith

Thats a quote from what he said when Xirion was going. how is that any worse than me asking that married girl to gather intel from japan for me? both are inappropiate. but I get banned.

Originally posted by yaebginn
whos this we? you arnet a mod, insanesith. well before you said I was one of their romping buddies I figured somehow I was factored into this equation of suckage, my bad.

Lynk was late, he had to get his word in. Seeing as you took pretty much everything he said totally out of context. trust me I understand your frustration, but you have to understand if we take your opinions and wants into account and try to weigh them with others, we have to go against alot of your wants and opinions. We're like a government we take into account what's good for everyone, not just the ones that complain.

Plus this isn't a democracy, it's a harsh tyrannical dictatorship. :)

also, when I say we, I mean LucasForums in general.

what you were asking was anti-japanese and rude(not to mention racist). Suggesting someone to take intel on japanese.

and what I said was what we call a joke. A play on words, used to make people think "what could he possibly mean?"

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fetish)

fetish

n 1: a charm superstitiously believed to embody magical powers [syn: juju, voodoo, hoodoo, fetich] 2: excessive or irrational devotion to some activity; "made a fetish of cleanliness" [syn: fetich]

Originally posted by VanLingo
P O W E R T R I P [...] TK, it's no wonder you were made a mod -- you're nose is the same color as Jed's skid marks! [...] is the Mod Squad just a GURLZ ONLEE club that vacations for two weeks at a time? [...] The only threads that get moderated are the ones that are bold enough to say that our mods suck.

Vanlingo, you have violated one or more rules of SWBattlefront.net. Consider this a warning to cease.

Originally posted by VanLingo
This forum is an absolute wreck.

If so, then it is one being perpetuated by posts and attitudes such as this one. Cease you hostile attitude in public with mods or be banned. Should you have legitimate grievances, utilize the PM function to alert Supermods or Administrators. Should you feel that resolution is not forthcoming, perhaps it would be best for you to discontinue your visits to LucasForums.

-SkinWalker

you should leave, insanesith, you arent a mod, and you have no say in this argument. and you cant speak for lucasforums in general. and I didnt take what he siad out of context. despite what he said in his last post, it differs from what he really said. I was pretty much the only one on my side, and he said,' if you say yes' not if anyone says yes.

EDIT- the mods said they would ignore my PMs, I CANT use the function. and what rule did he break? please say. I asked the mods to meet me on AIM or on email, but they declined. They obviously dont wnat to take it private.

Originally posted by yaebginn
you should leave, insanesith, you arent a mod, and you have no say in this argument. and you cant speak for lucasforums in general. and I didnt take what he siad out of context. despite what he said in his last post, it differs from what he really said. I was pretty much the only one on my side, and he said,' if you say yes' not if anyone says yes. oh I believe I have plenty of say in this, you and vanlingo brought me into this in previous threads claiming me to be a romping buddy. And he wasn't talking about anyone in the forum but rather in real life he would say that to himself, thus not being a flame as it was not directed to you, kthxbai.

he said, 'If YOU say yes' not , 'if anyone on the street said yes' and no you dont, you contribute nothing. you are the mods water boy.

Vanlingo, you have violated one or more rules of SWBattlefront.net. Consider this a warning to cease.
Umm... which rule (or rules) would that be? Thou shalt not disrespect those in pseudo-authority?

And why would I PM the mods? PMs are just an Ignore Box. When I post, everyone sees what you have to say back. God forbid you have to be diplomatic about something. :rolleyes:
(Oh, no, I said "God"! I'm going to get banned by the Romans!)

FYI, the Report This Post links don't work. Click it -- you get a nifty little "Sorry. The email function has been disabled by the administrator."

jee, I'm sorry you think I contribute nothing. I obviously seem to contribute something since you "refute" my posts.
and I'm hardly their water boy, I'm more of their watchdog.

call it what you will, insanesith

EDIT- and not refute, disarm. I simply correct the wrong in your posts. You say something incorrect, and I prove it wrong. call it what you will.

I'm hardly their water boy, I'm more of their watchdog
Then why didn't you get to be a mod?

there were others that were better qualified than me. why do you care? I thought you hated me?

I recommend an Administrator (http://www.lucasforums.com/private.php?s=&action=newmessage&userid=1353) if you feel you haven't been able to air your grievances.

Regardless of your interpretations of the rules, they are violated and my warning stands.

Criticism of established authority is not against the rules, however, your clear insults are. Be critical without the ad hominem remarks or STOP posting in this thread. That goes to all sides of the issue and all posters.

so if its not against the rules, why will he get banned for saying them? I mean, he hasnt insulted a mod any worse than mods or mod-cronies (zbomber, insanesith) have insulted me. but because they are your buddies, you just look the other way.

I haven't received any complaints about them, nor have I noticed any violations that have gone uncorrected when I asked them to do so.

My PM and email works fine. As does that of all the Admins.

This is a flamewar and a trolling expedition (this thread on this page), and is therefore clearly against forum rules. The warning was issued by me. It is to all that have posted on this page. Further continuation of the flaming/trolling is a violation of that warning.

You don't have to like it. You can send your grievance to the Administrator of your choice (i.e. Kurgan). I recommend being more civil when writing to them, however.

No yaebginn, but for someone who has been here long enough, he DOES know the rules, and for that very reason he SHOULD be reconised as a role model as a respectable and a productive member in the LF community

indeed you could very well say that I have no business here either

you're wrong, its every member who follow the rules that are set, the right to get envolved and show any member who is NOT following those very same set rules in effort to prevent any future rule violations, and convert any unrespectful member into another role model member.

Originally posted by SkinWalker
I haven't received any complaints about them, nor have I noticed any violations that have gone uncorrected when I asked them to do so.
Consider this a complaint.

My PM and email works fine. As does that of all the Admins.
So it's a choice not to respond...

This is a flamewar and a trolling expedition (this thread on this page), and is therefore clearly against forum rules. The warning was issued by me. It is to all that have posted on this page. Further continuation of the flaming/trolling is a violation of that warning.
I still don't know what trolling is.

You don't have to like it. You can send your grievance to the Administrator of your choice (i.e. Kurgan). I recommend being more civil when writing to them, however.
Nah. I don't see why someone with the title Super Moderator under their name can't do something about it.

It's the same here as it is on the phone with the mortgage company -- it's all about passing the buck.

Originally posted by VanLingo
I still don't know what trolling is.

Hint: It's what you're doing.

Well, time to throw this thread in with the rest of the collection.

Yet the feedback is met with defensiveness. That thread should not have been deleted.

I will make a discussion here for the non-mods to discuss what they think about the quality of board moderation. Mods have no obligation to defend themselves -- this will be a factual outlook at how these forums are maintained.

Discussion topics:
Can you believe anything the mods post?
Is temp-banning a defense mechanism?
Is the moderation team base on favoritism?
Is "mod discretion" clearly outlined in the rules?

It was not deleted; it was thrown into the collection of locked showcase threads, as will this one.

Heh. Tk's jumping on my legitimate posts just to impress his superiors.

I agree that debates should be had in the Senate Chambers, it's a very good place to have them.

No, flaming people isn't a good idea, and flaming moderators is an especially bad idea (we have feelings too!).

No, moderators should not abuse their power, and especially not appear to be abusing their power to win debates. Far be it from any of us to do such a thing.

No, the censor is not perfect, and never will be, it's merely designed to cut down on some of the typical swearing that goes on. Ideally people shouldn't type swears at all when making conversation on the forums (what's the need for it, really? it adds nothing to arguments, only to flames, and blanked out we can "know what you intended" easily enough). When something slips out the basic censor should catch it.

Yes, moderators should try to set a good example (not always possible, but that's an ideal to shoot for). Just remember we're human too.

Yes, sending PM's and/or emails with complaints first before publically complaining is a good idea.

And yes, trolling is a bad idea. What is trolling? It's deliberately angering someone by say, posting flame-bait or acting stupid with the hope that they will respond with a flame. The goal of trolling is to upset people and encourage them to do stupid things. It just drags down everyone with the person doing the trolling, and is a waste of everyone's time.

Should moderators stay out of debates to avoid possible abuses? That depends on the moderator I guess. I like a good debate now and then myself, and I hate to think people assume I will use my "position" to win, rather than my debating skillz (or lack thereof). ; )

With great power, comes great responsibility, as a comic book character once said.

Suffice to say, moderators are not tiny gods, rather they are part of a collective of forum "leaders." So if a moderator is abusing his power, he's either doing it without the knowledge of his peers or against their wishes (and will be dealt with). I don't like to say this, but should such a thing occur, it's best to talk to another moderator or admin to see if this is really how they're supposed to act (assuming talking to the mod in question privately doesn't work out).

If one of us makes a mistake, call us on it, but try to do it in a tactful manner, so as not to start a fight. If you piss one of us off, it's harder to think rationally, since a person naturally gets defensive. And let's let bygones by bygones... Who really cares about an argument you had with somebody on the internet? Does it really change your life that much?

On the other hand, everyone should realize that people DO have feelings, and going out of your way to hurt somebody's feelings just makes you a jerk. Is that really such a noble goal in life? How would you feel if you were on the other end?
That said, people can't expect to just flame mods and get away with it, while looking cool in front of their friends. We've got feelings too, man!

And yes, I know I don't hang around here much (not until the game comes out anyway!), but I just had to comment.

Go in peace, y'all...