Well, I can't help but feel sorry for him. A healthy 19 year old? So am I. But I can find better things to do with my time than watching sad smut such as that. I would hope you could too...I have a hard time respecting men who are ruled by there penis.
Originally posted by Hiroki
Well, I can't help but feel sorry for him. A healthy 19 year old? So am I. But I can find better things to do with my time than watching sad smut such as that. I would hope you could too...I have a hard time respecting men who are ruled by there penis. who says we are ruled by our penis? Just because we masturbate on occasion to pornography. And who determines what is smut and what isn't? You? Frankly I don't think you have the qualifications to make that judgement (going by your age here).
What do you determine as smut?
I think someone just wants us to be like him.
(don't misconstrue this as I want you to think like myself, I'm just curious as to why you feel the need to look down on us.)
Well, I can't help but feel sorry for him. A healthy 19 year old? So am I. But I can find better things to do with my time than watching sad smut such as that. I would hope you could too...I have a hard time respecting men who are ruled by there penis.
REplace 'better' with 'other', since you still need to prove why pornography is 'evil'...
Who said it was 'evil'? I said it was just a sad waist of time. And like I said, if you want to spend all of your time looking at porn, that is your business.
What is smut? Hmm, well...smut would be un-educational sex videos, where two or more persons engage in sexual intercourse and/or explicit sexual activities, for the sake of arousing the viewer.
The average pornographic movie lasts about an hour and a half... how is this any less a waste of time than watching Shrek?
At least with the porn, one's libido might be stimulated, possibly offering a better experience with the wife.
Yeah, and who watches a porn movie for the full hour and a half anyways :xp:
Seriously though, if you're going to say that watching porn is a waste of time, I'm going to ask that you stop playing video games, watching movies, watching TV, reading un-educational books, and the like, since they are all equal wastes of time. :dozey:
dont' forget most of LF, hell, the swamp itself wastes more time than looking at the ceiling for 3 hours because you see a dot on it.
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Seriously though, if you're going to say that watching porn is a waste of time, I'm going to ask that you stop playing video games, watching movies, watching TV, reading un-educational books, and the like, since they are all equal wastes of time. :dozey:
Well, they all ARE wastes of time, if you want me to be blunt...and yes, I waste less time trying to move a quarter with my mind, than in the swamp. :p
I think all guys from age 9-37 are horny perverts...make that most. so i think that ist natural to be vurios, however there is a line between curios and obsessed..
Originally posted by Hiroki
Well, they all ARE wastes of time, if you want me to be blunt...and yes, I waste less time trying to move a quarter with my mind, than in the swamp.
So it's okay to waste your time with THOSE activites, but NOT with porn? :confused:
If porn is bad, this also begs the question: Could cyber-sex be considered adultery? Is masturbating to someone's words any less of a crime than actually going out and having sex with another wo/man?
My opinion on porn: Hey, if thats what you need, then thats what you need. If your spouse lets you so that your sex-life is better: good for you.
cyber-sex: Ew.
Looky what I found for the religious zealots...damn me. (
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040831/hl_nm/sperm_ejaculation_dc)
Not good news for those of us who decide our own morallity and aren't dictated by some 2000 year old book.
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Exactly, all those other things you listed were HURTING other people. Porn hurts nobody. (unless it's bondage style, then somepeople get hurt :eek: )
And since you've never watched porn Voluntas, I'm going to tell you that there are, in fact, naked men in there aswell. So porn objectifies men just as much as women. :dozey: Not what I'm watching!
ATTENTION!
There is a website that shows nude models! the claim NOT to be porograpy! they call it ART! They call it NATURAL TASTEFULL art!
-It is called domai.com
Then there is a website of PAINTINGS of nudes done by thousands of artists different styles!
-It is called imagenetion.com
then there is the sistine chapel by michealangelo! he painted nude of "the creation"! teachers let KIDS look at Michealangelo's work such as the "sistine chapel" and "David"!
so where exactly IS the line between art and pornagraphy?
I say domai.com, imagenetion.com and Michealangelo are NOT pornographic because they dont include vulgarity! just people in their natural state!
I say sexualy explict garbage grosses me out!
Here is another thought!
some cristians say porno makes men love fantasy women! skinny women are NOT real! most women are fat! it is NOT natural for women to be skinny! they say real women are chubby while thin girls are only thin cuase they have eating disorders! once men look at the fake figured women, the cant love "real" women anymore!
know what I mean?
well here is MY view: women are NATURALY SKINNY AND PRETTY and modern people are fat ONLY cuse of the fatty foods we eat today! have you heard of how much fat is in Mcdonnalds big macs?
foe example, I belive Eve was skinny and Prety like the movie stars becuase all she ate was the fruit god made! she must have been perfectly healthy! i think women are NATURALY skinny and its the food industry that is making most women fat (men too) if we all ate helthy and exercied we can ALL look Good! and "good looking" won't be a "fantasy" anymore would it?
does anyone get the picture?
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
some cristians say porno makes men love fantasy women! skinny women are NOT real! most women are fat! it is NOT natural for women to be skinny! they say real women are chubby while thin girls are only thin cuase they have eating disorders! once men look at the fake figured women, the cant love "real" women anymore!
well here is MY view: women are NATURALY SKINNY AND PRETTY and modern people are fat ONLY cuse of the fatty foods we eat today! have you heard of how much fat is in Mcdonnalds big macs?
Actually, women were prized for being plump before the 20th century, because being plump meant you were well-nourished and fit to be a mate. During the 19th century, artists would use skinny models because they were considered ugly, thus the viewers would be more concerned with the dresses shown rather than looking at the woman. It's only been lately in the history of humanity where we value how skinny a woman is.
Tyrion- Actually, women were prized for being plump before the 20th century, because being plump meant you were well-nourished and fit to be a mate. During the 19th century, artists would use skinny models because they were considered ugly, thus the viewers would be more concerned with the dresses shown rather than looking at the woman. It's only been lately in the history of humanity where we value how skinny a woman is.
This historical fact is true, however my point remains valid! we are naturaly skinny! We DO eat garbage that is not good for us whith MAKES us plump and we get lazy, althouh people's IDEA of beuty has changed.
This is strange. Why the change? perhaps back in medieval times, most people worked hard and didn't have fattty foods and everyone took "slim" for granted. They THOUGHT plump was healthier.Today, people have the most luxrius lifestyle man has ever had. most people gain wieght and now modern docters see the health problems in being plump!
For example, heart has troube pumping for a bigger body, bones and mussles have a hard time carrying wieght. Today, we know that THIN is healthier. ever see any plump athletes? (other than the sumo wrestlers i mean)?
too thin is not healthy either. balance is a keyword here.
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
This historical fact is true, however my point remains valid! we are naturaly skinny! We DO eat garbage that is not good for us whith MAKES us plump and we get lazy, althouh people's IDEA of beuty has changed.
I told you the benefits of a plump body though: the person was nutritious and well fed. When you get a mate, you want her to be able to supply enough nutrients to your baby so it would be healthy. Naturally, it's harder to do that when you have less nutrients.
(And no, I"m not plump nor fat. :P)
This is strange. Why the change? perhaps back in medieval times, most people worked hard and didn't have fattty foods and everyone took "slim" for granted. They THOUGHT plump was healthier.Today, people have the most luxrius lifestyle man has ever had. most people gain wieght and now modern docters see the health problems in being plump!
Remember though we only changed in the 19th century. Back to Ancient Egypt(and beyond), the reason everyone was skinny in the heiroglyphs was probably because they were all starving. They didn't have 7-11's, hell they didn't even have supermarkets! Yo either grew your own food(which was still yard), bought meat which spoiled easily, and if you were a slave you'd eat the scraps your master gave you.
For example, heart has troube pumping for a bigger body, bones and mussles have a hard time carrying wieght. Today, we know that THIN is healthier. ever see any plump athletes? (other than the sumo wrestlers i mean)?
You're right, it is healthier to be thin rather than plump today, but only because of the advancements in food(you know, calcium in every freakin' thing known to man...).
RayJones --too thin is not healthy either. balance is a keyword here.
You absolutly right, rayjones! i agree all the way!
Now back to porno. most parents think porno warps kids' minds! I know an 11 year old boy who has digital cable with all the movie chanels! he steals cigerettes and alcrohol from his parents and whatches softcore porno at night! his parents don't beveive in spanking! he still is a nice kid! he is well behaved as far as I see!
this proves it dosnt matter what you WATCH, there is no harm in porn. alcrohol and tobaco is a different story, for it does PHYSICAL DAMAGE to you!
I'M proud to say I watched nudity movies from my dad's old movie drawer at age 6! and im 23 now!
And Kipper, you are fricken' hyper. But your first post about Art being different than porn is true. And you are also right about being thin, though what brought that on? The girl I like is musculer, and healthy, but she does eat like a horse. ;) She is as healthy as she can be however, because she loves to work out.
Originaly posted by Hiroki - you are also right about being thin, though what brought that on?
I have heard people say that porn is wrong because it sets unrealistic standards of beuty. my thought was the only reason why "magazine beuty weight balance" is "unrealistic" is garbage we eat today. i thought that would clear away one argument aginst porn.
The girl I like is musculer, and healthy, but she does eat like a horse. She is as healthy as she can be however, because she loves to work out.
Im glad to hear that SOME people are taking care of their physical well being in this dark age of glutony and sloth!
Im even more glad to see someone who agrees that nude photograpy and paitings are not bad like porno! most people CANT tell the difference!
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
I have heard people say that porn is wrong because it sets unrealistic standards of beuty. my thought was the only reason why "magazine beuty weight balance" is "unrealistic" is garbage we eat today. i thought that would clear away one argument aginst porn.
Im glad to hear that SOME people are taking care of their physical well being in this dark age of glutony and sloth!
Im even more glad to see someone who agrees that nude photograpy and paitings are not bad like porno! most people CANT tell the difference! Well, as long as people masturbate to it... Nude photographs that is.
Agreed. If there's no pornography people will start wanking off art. Then that's condemned too. Then people will start masturbating at Victoria's secret catalog which contains no nude women. Then that's gonna be condemned too. Then they're gonna start masturbating at pictures of cloathed women...then that's gonna be condemned too...
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
Im even more glad to see someone who agrees that nude photograpy and paitings are not bad like porno! most people CANT tell the difference!
Most people CAN tell the difference. We're not that stupid.
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
I have heard people say that porn is wrong because it sets unrealistic standards of beuty. my thought was the only reason why "magazine beuty weight balance" is "unrealistic" is garbage we eat today. i thought that would clear away one argument aginst porn.
Absolutely not. There's no unrealistic standard of beauty. Our definition of a beautiful woman is different. Everyone has his own definition.
Well, we could threaten to condemn and chop there parts off. I bet that would make them stop. ;)
Seriously though, if you got rid of porn, and they still wanked, that is there problem. At least you aren’t encouraging it by making porn anymore.
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Agreed. If there's no pornography people will start wanking off art. Then that's condemned too. Then people will start masturbating at Victoria's secret catalog which contains no nude women. Then that's gonna be condemned too. Then they're gonna start masturbating at pictures of cloathed women...then that's gonna be condemned too... That sounds like a horror movie!
Originally posted by Hiroki
Seriously though, if you got rid of porn, and they still wanked, that is there problem. At least you aren’t encouraging it by making porn anymore.
Masturbation doesn't directly relate to porn. Of course these days it is but masturbation has existed for millenias. I don't think Cavemen had porn to wank off too...
Oh, and about people in their natural state, isn't it strange that you wake up from bed every morning, instead of the floor, in your house, instead of outside, and you eat breakfast from a plate instead of your hands or the floor. NOTHING about humans is natural anymore. It's almost all artificial. that's the reason we have porn. it's artificial sex.
i always forget what im trying to prove, but i hope i made it clear, whatever it was.
Just some fun information for all the anti-masturbationists (
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm)
I'm just curious, Hirkoi, what do you classify as porn? In the 1800's they used to think showing your ankle was indecent and sexually arousing, do you still follow this belief, or have you "changed with the times"?
I think i brought back this thread! I found it in my User CP!
...or have they found a backup and fixed it?
IDK.... Its over a year old.
Well a lot of the most recent posts were eaten up by the forum monster.
well i just thought i recovered a lost tread and i do rather like it. Im sorry guys.