This plea goes out to any developers or jka, whether it is Raven or lucas arts...This game needs patching..Badly. Too many times i have played jka, gone into a game and gotten extremly mad because of those one hit kills...
Yes the lovely one hit kills or "Instas"...i thought the damage for red was supposed to be lowered in multiplayer, today i play jka when i was playing power duel and one hit from a red shot took off 125hp and killed me instantly, whats fair in that? Now this has also become an exploit for many "professional clans". A simple "wiggle" of the mouse and the saber manages to do 100+ damage, another exploit is where the player vertically strikes their opponant, as the saber hits the floow the play with backflip causing more damage. If a demo is required i will glady provide evidence to back my point up. Blue Lunge's Take 100+ damage off and Yellow seems to be just as powerful as red. The Developers have noticably gone for saber damage which doesn't damage when the player strikes, but involves the amount of the time their saber "burns" their opponant. Another example of an insta is where the player Left red swings, as the saber comes out, they spin causing extreme amount of damage causing a one hit kill.
One other problem, FIX the roll? Why did u change it? it was fine as it is, i thought rolls allowed you to dodge attacks, not let you open to attack i mean, seriously, what the hell?

This post will only get listened to if other players who have experienced the same problems, who are verteran players like myself who have also player JK2 online can back me up or this post will be of no use....lets get this game balanced like JK2 1.04 when it involved skill to be good, not luck on one hit kills.

hahhahaha you said professional and ja in the same post rofl.

just fyi the only 2-3 clans that could even be considered such left months ago.

ye thats why professional is in inverted commas....:o

The fact is saber damage is adjustable with cvars.

Not all servers use the default "dueling friendly" g_saberdamagescale 1.

In fact, many now use 2 (which Mike Gummelt of Raven Software recommends for all non-duel gametypes) or even higher (Chop Shop routinely uses 3, 4 or even 5).

So I would check the server settings before I start complaining about that.

"Scratching" people (if d_saberspstyledamage) is turned on only does 1 hp per 1/5 second (up to 5 hp per second that you hold the blade "ON" somebody).

Assuming you don't have a badly set rate or ping, then these things shouldn't be that unexpected.

I've been a long time follower of the series for years and it wasn't until JK2 1.03 that suddenly we got all this whining and expectation that sabers shouldn't kill you in 1-2 hits and dueling is the only way to play the game. Well, each to his own, I guess....

No patch is required to adjust damage values, it's been there all along. I did the same thing with JK2 1.04. I always disliked saberdamagescale 1, because I play more than Duels and I like to use sabers that are useful beyond 1 on 1 blade vs. blade fights.


PS: If you're really a die-hard JK2 MP player who's heart was broken by JA, I suggest you try the latest version of Xmod2 (by Master Hex). Using the variables it contains, you can get your JA gameplay to be about 90% (or thereabouts) of how JK2 was. Plus it doesn't contain all those abusable "ampunish" commands that plague the admin mods in both communities.

Or (surprise!) play JK2 and get the full effect.

There's as many if not more people playing JK2, (mostly saber dueling) according to ASE, as JA, so it's not like you can claim that game is dead and so you can't play it anymore!

To sum up: Raven isn't planning another patch, so use Xmod2, go back to JK2, or just learn to adapt and deal with the game being different.

Hmmm. I thought that high-intencity light blades that could cut through steel with ease might, just kill you if they pass through you, and not take 7 or 8 tries. Guess I was wrong.

Were the servers Wh1te played on running JA+ Mod or basejka?

JA+ Mod has made damage type, damage amount, blocking frequency, etc. cvars available, so the game he is unhappy with may not be basejka at all. JA+ Mod is ubiquitous so it is likely he has played on servers running some version of it.

On the happy side, JA+ Mod and xmod2 fixed rolling, making it like JK2.

wh1te i know why you put it in quotes, you missed my point, though. There were only a few (like 3-4 at the most) clans that were really any good in ja skill wise, and 2-3 of those were "proffessional" in their conduct.

Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop
Were the servers Wh1te played on running JA+ Mod or basejka?

JA+ Mod has made damage type, damage amount, blocking frequency, etc. cvars available, so the game he is unhappy with may not be basejka at all. JA+ Mod is ubiquitous so it is likely he has played on servers running some version of it.

On the happy side, JA+ Mod and xmod2 fixed rolling, making it like JK2.

Probably. And all the what... ten versions all seem to have different damage, detection, settings. It's pretty hard to really determine what "balanced" lightsaber combat is these days. :( Seems like every mod we've had at JK3Files had its own unique lightsaber combat.

in JA+ 2.0 i decided to put by default the basejka damages execpt for one or two cvar that alter the gameplay and also the damages

you have in the FAQ section damage, all the cvar with their value to come back to basejka code with no alteration

also a lot of the complaints in the first post are all corected in JA+ and can be modified with cvars
+ many basejka Fixs

Slider, one of the problems with your older version mod being server side only is the fact that people can use any version without it directly impacting the number of people able to get on without it.

WIth a client side addition any one with different versions can't cannot to the other versions. SO it gives them an incentive to upgrade to the most current version.

I fear the damage from your older versions is going to be hard to repair because there's no incentive to upgrade.

Umm, one question Rumor.. Could you please tell me the name of these "pro" clans? If you don't surprise me mate, then i can guarantee that Wh1te is probably a better player then every single player in those clans.. but hey, thats just me :>

I hope the name of your clans are familiar to me like some old blueyonder clan etc etc. If not then I suggest you too get your "facts" straight until next time mate :>. I've played a lot of players and only a few of them are better then me (all blueyonder + some wargamez bloke but that counts as blueyonder tbh :>) accept one or two exceptions. And Rumor, I know what I'm talking about belive me.

/Hippoh


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Originally posted by Wh1te
today i play jka when i was playing power duel and one hit from a red shot took off 125hp and killed me instantly, whats fair in that? So you are complaining about getting killed by a hit using the strong stance by a weapon that supposedly can cut through anything? What happened sounds about right to me...

And don't hold your breath waiting for a new patch...

I hate it how patches always "fix" things to making them more "balanced" by nerfing them into the ground. Hmmm. Let's make the E-11 wich kills with one hit in the movie, even slower and make it take 50 hits to kill!

Prime, it may sound right too you and it probably is but there wouldn't be any fun in the game if you would die instantly when someone touches you with the lightsabre imo.

wouldn't be any fun in the game if you would die instantly

Says who? if you put in more ways to avoid or block damage you can crank it up to lethal levels. Thats why I like OJP.

The Damage i am referring to Is Base damage set on default (g_saberdamagescale 1), i do know that saber damage can be decreased and increased but i can't go on and ask, can u turn down the damage settings

Originally posted by Hippoh
Umm, one question Rumor.. Could you please tell me the name of these "pro" clans? If you don't surprise me mate, then i can guarantee that Wh1te is probably a better player then every single player in those clans.. but hey, thats just me :>

I hope the name of your clans are familiar to me like some old blueyonder clan etc etc. If not then I suggest you too get your "facts" straight until next time mate :>. I've played a lot of players and only a few of them are better then me (all blueyonder + some wargamez bloke but that counts as blueyonder tbh :>) accept one or two exceptions. And Rumor, I know what I'm talking about belive me.

/Hippoh


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I don't keep track of the euros at all but here's a shot.

guns:
Image aka HiFiDelity International Image ° or HfD>>
HFD (euros)
pg (no clue on tags)

sabers only:
kaoticz +/<
ruthless kings rK//
SL [SL](put up more of a fight than any other clan we played aside from rK, so i give them props <3 dc, acdcfanbill, fusion, etc.)

/edit: from what i could tell, oE| were a bunch of stand-up guys that were pretty decent at the game, unlike the q3 scrubs from clans like alt, freedom, etc.

dark elements could have been on that list but they didn't really do anything.

/late edit: If you start going into No Force clans i'm going to slap you <3
fatal+/< and brutal+/< were tops in NF and they were both on my team (kaoticz)

Wait a sec... People still play this abomination?

Oh and Rumor named a few clans that were around when JA was first released so your definition of "professional" might be what we used to call "nub" and stomp all over in JK2.

But then again, I don't follow the euro scene cuz something about german players spamming their <=={-[ROFLMAOx5000]-}==> binds kinda gets to me.

Originally posted by g//plaZma
Wait a sec... People still play this abomination?

Oh and Rumor named a few clans that were around when JA was first released so your definition of "professional" might be what we used to call "nub" and stomp all over in JK2.

But then again, I don't follow the euro scene cuz something about german players spamming their <=={-[ROFLMAOx5000]-}==> binds kinda gets to me.

Yeah those binds drive me crazy. Most german players i ever encountered drove me ****ing insane.

What plazma said is true. Weather people liked it or not, there were a total of two teams that ever gave us a problem in jk2/ja and they were shockwave (the top team in the game, ever) and silent death (some of whom were/are in rk).

Also image/hfd destroyed every team they faced.

[SL] had exellent teamwork and if they had stayed together and played with top players a lot more than they did, they would have been a force to reckon with. We took them for granted in our first match, and they came close to winning a map, but when our second match came around we litterally put them in the negatives. My hatts go off to them, they were a great bunch of guys.

For Euro CTF, dLY was slightly better than HFD, winning against them in Jedi Liga, which was the only real competition the game had in the first 3-4 months of jka, then the game was dead. American clans came across as average to low-skilled for guns in jk2/jka, at least from having seen all the demos available. Except of course, DSbr/image.. who at their best were far and beyond the rest of the community, and on even ping would probably have beat the best euro clans, in my opinion.

As far as NF sabers goes all the americans I saw play it were so newbie it was hilarious, this goes back to early jk2 all the way through to jka. Europe, and in particular the UK had the best NF saberists. But then the opposite is true for FF sabers, europe was so hilariously shнt at it compared to the americans.

But anyway, both games are dead now, jk1 was better than both games rofl, and the only fun left to be had is remembering the few good times I had in the game, and having met lots of friends who I now compete in other games with.

Hopefully the next jk games won't be such a let down, like jk2 and jka were after jk1. :/

Originally posted by Hippoh
Prime, it may sound right too you and it probably is but there wouldn't be any fun in the game if you would die instantly when someone touches you with the lightsabre imo. To me, one hit kills are way better than 50+ hit kills. Much better to have the saber lethal than a wiffleball bat.

Originally posted by vert1go
For Euro CTF, dLY was slightly better than HFD, winning against them in Jedi Liga, which was the only real competition the game had in the first 3-4 months of jka, then the game was dead. American clans came across as average to low-skilled for guns in jk2/jka, at least from having seen all the demos available. Except of course, DSbr/image.. who at their best were far and beyond the rest of the community, and on even ping would probably have beat the best euro clans, in my opinion.

As far as NF sabers goes all the americans I saw play it were so newbie it was hilarious, this goes back to early jk2 all the way through to jka. Europe, and in particular the UK had the best NF saberists. But then the opposite is true for FF sabers, europe was so hilariously shнt at it compared to the americans.

But anyway, both games are dead now, jk1 was better than both games rofl, and the only fun left to be had is remembering the few good times I had in the game, and having met lots of friends who I now compete in other games with.

Hopefully the next jk games won't be such a let down, like jk2 and jka were after jk1. :/

Yeah its sad about those NF kids, eh?

Biggest things about the germans that drove me insane would be #1 their play style. Sure i've used it myself but it never failed, they zap you to 100 24 and run the rest of the match to get a default. #2 they only speak german even if you ask nicely, except for when they insult you, and are suddenly fluent in english. Americans, although drain/lightning whoring was prevalent in serious matches, they wanted to beat you and make sure you felt like you got your ass kicked, so they are/were more aggressive and in-your-face.

JK2 has to be my favorite game of all time. I had more fun and met nicer/cooler people playing it than in any other game i've played since Doom started the mp craze. I still play with a lot of those guys in CrossOver (#cross-over on gamesurge if someone wants to stop by <3). Most of ShockWave and FK and Kaoticz are in it, along with some rk/div3rse people.

I truly wish that jk2 was still extremely popular for competition. It was glorioiusly deep and complex, yet easy to approach, and it offered a gameplay dynamic (FF/SO TDM/Duel/CTF) refreshing compared to other games. It (especially ff/so duel) was like a more advanced game of chess.

Originally posted by Prime
To me, one hit kills are way better than 50+ hit kills. Much better to have the saber lethal than a wiffleball bat. rofl so true

After 2 years could one of you euros please tell me why you guys use these silly ass binds:


[JK2]GOOD-FIGHT!!!===|||***L*O*L***|||===GOOD-FIGHT!!![JK2]


;)

I will say one thing about euros though, as a whole they have a much more serious minded/mature community when it comes to competitive gaming.

Having moved into Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, the American ET community is far behind the euros.

Don't get me wrong, we have as much skill on our side of the globe as they do, but we have so much constant bickering and fighting (not to mention more ego problems than you could ever hope to count) going on in the community, it really prevents us from evolving as a whole.

When I played Jk2 I did play many of the U.K./German top players and yes, like vert said, they did suck compared to us (in ff/so).

But the one thing that really surprised me, was how level headed the guys I played were.

They lost, said "gg" and moved on. No bitching or moaning, no excuses, no running to euroforums.com and begging for patches.

Over here?

Every match was like a 30 minute soap opra.

:mad:

I guess my point is, most euros tend to treat competitive gaming like a "professional sport" where as most americans treat it like a "personal fist fight".

:(

Hehe, the binds, seems to be a German low-skilled saberist thing mostly. They are quite amusing though, go and lame on their ja mod servers with 49hp kickscripts and you'll see a flurry of multi-colored binds flying across the screen.

Gotta agree on the differences between the euro and american gaming communities for the most part, I used to keep track of american rtcw and there was so much bitching over some games. But the quakecon qualifiers last year showed how immature both comunities were hehe, where you had US vs Euro clans in online qualifiers, some of the comments were so pathetic from both sides, although it was sadly entertaining in a way. :E

JK2 has to be my favorite game of all time. I had more fun and met nicer/cooler people playing it than in any other game i've played since Doom started the mp craze. I still play with a lot of those guys in CrossOver (#cross-over on gamesurge if someone wants to stop by <3). Most of ShockWave and FK and Kaoticz are in it, along with some rk/div3rse people.Yeah I've made a lot of good friends through jk1 and jk2 too, started an et clan with some, a q3 clan with others, made jk2 worth playing after all.

JK2 was worth playing from the fun of it. Sure there were those honor *******s running around in even the normal servers meant for "playing and having fun" but you can't deny how much fun it was when you play with people who just wanted to have fun and kick your ass.

Originally posted by FK | unnamed


I guess my point is, most euros tend to treat competitive gaming like a "professional sport" where as most americans treat it like a "personal fist fight".



heh, yea, perfect description, ppl need to friggen chill out :)

Umm, I don't think that your descriptions of euro-players is correct tbh. First of all, do you actually think that all euro-players run around with those binds? Well, I can tell you that most people laugh at them (it's mostly a german dilemma <-- spelled right? :P) I'm pretty sure you've never played any good european jk2 players (at least not jumpforce/sabreonlyplayers) because I doubt (and don't get me wrong, I'm not just some german braggin about some "[LOL]F1/23|3/4|)3 here ;) ) that you would stand a chance against some of the best europlayers (you would probably own us baddly with guns though :P). I've never met a american player that's better then me. Perhaps because I don't play on american servers because of the lag and the moaning (****in cheater!! Go **** yo momma!!!11). Well I hope I've made my statement don't judge us too fast, please :)

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So long, cowboys.

Oh lord I miss SL and it's server... They were practically the only saber using clan I've ever met in which all of the members either equaled me or edged me out for victories with the exception of rat trap, who I pulverized.

COME BACK SL SERVER!

Originally posted by Hippoh
Umm, I don't think that your descriptions of euro-players is correct tbh. First of all, do you actually think that all euro-players run around with those binds? Well, I can tell you that most people laugh at them (it's mostly a german dilemma <-- spelled right? :P) I'm pretty sure you've never played any good european jk2 players (at least not jumpforce/sabreonlyplayers) because I doubt (and don't get me wrong, I'm not just some german braggin about some "[LOL]F1/23|3/4|)3 here ;) ) that you would stand a chance against some of the best europlayers (you would probably own us baddly with guns though :P). I've never met a american player that's better then me. Perhaps because I don't play on american servers because of the lag and the moaning (****in cheater!! Go **** yo momma!!!11). Well I hope I've made my statement don't judge us too fast, please :)

Fцr цvrigt anser jag att Israel bцr fцrstцras.

So long, cowboys.

Lowforce is just stupid, imho. wasn't there some rule about 2 kicks max or some ****? No better than noforce

I played on quite a few euro servers and i never had a problem tooling the players i came across with minimal ping difference (400 or so compared to 250-350 on us servers).

Originally posted by Lathain Valtiel
Oh lord I miss SL and it's server... They were practically the only saber using clan I've ever met in which all of the members either equaled me or edged me out for victories with the exception of rat trap, who I pulverized.

COME BACK SL SERVER!

That is likely because they were one of the three s/o clans that were any good in ja.

Originally posted by Rumor
That is likely because they were one of the three s/o clans that were any good in ja.

I think [DiL] is OK.. Unsure if they are saber only though. [DiL] Rahl was/is great at sabery.

But yeah, I was thinking of joining [SL] (Got an offer), but had to turn it down due to time constraints. After that, every time some dumb clan asked me to join, I simply said: "If I wanted to join a clan, I'd join SL.". Alas, it's a shame it died.

Originally posted by Lathain Valtiel
I think [DiL] is OK.. Unsure if they are saber only though. [DiL] Rahl was/is great at sabery.

But yeah, I was thinking of joining [SL] (Got an offer), but had to turn it down due to time constraints. After that, every time some dumb clan asked me to join, I simply said: "If I wanted to join a clan, I'd join SL.". Alas, it's a shame it died.

rahl ventured into our server once. He never came back.

God, the Clanners have bigger egos than the modders do.

Originally posted by Rumor
rahl ventured into our server once. He never came back.

You have a server? What's the IP? I'll try it sometime in the future.

Originally posted by razorace
God, the Clanners have bigger egos than the modders do. Nice contribution to the the thread there..

Lowforce is just stupid, imho. wasn't there some rule about 2 kicks max or some ****? No better than noforce I agree, having played it quite a bit as a break from guns I was surprised at how easy it was to start playing and within weeks be able to hang with the 'top' players no problem. I didn't always beat them, but, I had no problem taking a fair share of points, 6-7 kills in games to 10 for example, and seeing as I was extremely new to the gametype it seemed weird. I don't have much respect for a gametype where I can walk in as a new player and not get completely smacked about.

This wasn't the same in other gametypes, guns, sabers FF etc. where the skill gap between new and experienced was extreme. Plus playing the game with more than half the features disabled never made much sense to me. :P

Originally posted by Lathain Valtiel
You have a server? What's the IP? I'll try it sometime in the future.

We did when we competed, which was months ago, and we ended up only playing in actual matches, so we got rid of it after a month and used the other teams' servers.

Originally posted by vert1go
Nice contribution to the the thread there..

I agree, having played it quite a bit as a break from guns I was surprised at how easy it was to start playing and within weeks be able to hang with the 'top' players no problem. I didn't always beat them, but, I had no problem taking a fair share of points, 6-7 kills in games to 10 for example, and seeing as I was extremely new to the gametype it seemed weird. I don't have much respect for a gametype where I can walk in as a new player and not get completely smacked about.

This wasn't the same in other gametypes, guns, sabers FF etc. where the skill gap between new and experienced was extreme. Plus playing the game with more than half the features disabled never made much sense to me. :P

Guns are fun in the quakes, cs, ut series, etc. they sucked in jk2/jk3, imho. FF/SO was really deep and totally different. Sure, i can start up q3 once a year and do really damn well in duels, but it doesn't hold a candle to jk2 ff/so duels.

Originally posted by razorace
God, the Clanners have bigger egos than the modders do.

Probably, but then we don't make up page long rants when someone copies/improves upon a style/move that we invented.

Originally posted by Rumor
Probably, but then we don't make up page long rants when someone copies/improves upon a style/move that we invented.

Is that suppose to be some sort of personal burn? Because I have no clue what you're talking about.

Anyway, I can guarntee you that the clanners bitch on these forums WAY more often than the modders do.

Originally posted by vert1go
Nice contribution to the the thread there.. But is he wrong? :D

Originally posted by Prime
But is he wrong? :D Hmm, yes and no. :P

Originally posted by razorace
Is that suppose to be some sort of personal burn? Because I have no clue what you're talking about.

Anyway, I can guarntee you that the clanners bitch on these forums WAY more often than the modders do.

No, it was a friendly jab at part of the modding community. You know i love vasudans.

Well, not all Europeans are like that... it's mostly germans with the annoying binds, I have binds but they're just short stuff like "lol", not -={]-LOL-[}=- , like I used to have back in JK2. but swedish people are nice, (no i'm not swedish) but it seems to me the germans seem to annoy me the most with their ampunish stuff, and they play very unfair too. I had a guy come up to me and yell "LAMER!!!!!!" and I got sleeped at once, I didn't even ignite my saber before that.

well as for americans, I never enter US servers, just like at rare times, all I see is they babble their asses off and argue a lot, but other than that they usually are kind of agressive, but I only find that as a challenge... had some guy scream "no force you noob" in a Force enabled server rofl

Originally posted by Master William
Well, not Europeans are like that... it's mostly germans with the annoying binds, I have binds but they're just short stuff like "lol", not -={]-LOL-[}=- , like I used to have back in JK2. but swedish people are nice, (no i'm not swedish) but it seems to me the germans seem to annoy me the most with their ampunish stuff, and they play very unfair too. I had a guy come up to me and yell "LAMER!!!!!!" and I got sleeped at once, I didn't even ignite my saber before that.

well as for americans, I never enter US servers, just like at rare times, all I see is they babble their asses off and argue a lot, but other than that they usually are kind of agressive, but I only find that as a challenge... had some guy scream "no force you noob" in a Force enabled server rofl

hrhr

that reminds me i need to find that demo lololololol