@Krazy: If you don't like this, STOP POSTING!
@Elio7t: Don't know about SLUDGE for MAC. You'll have to ask James Isaac.
@threepwood3: I remember Zak McKracken 2 (the fangame) and it was awesome. Shows what happens when fans get together.
@Pork_Soda: A SLUDGE demo has been made, and some plot discussion is going around, but that's it.
@StonerDave&Max: The main thing I didn't like about the plot was the use of the grabber from Sam and Max 1, but it was clever to cause a payphone puzzle later on to ensue. ;) And there were some un-Steve Purcell-ish writing spots (like Max quoting and changing sayings), but I overall like your story.
Need me to do anything yet?
Originally posted by Brushguy
@StonerDave&Max: The main thing I didn't like about the plot was the use of the grabber from Sam and Max 1, but it was clever to cause a payphone puzzle later on to ensue. ;) And there were some un-Steve Purcell-ish writing spots (like Max quoting and changing sayings), but I overall like your story.
Thanks much, and like i said, there were things i wanted to change, that i couldnt go back, and the magnet thing was probably the only one. I only changed the saying to keep the idea alive, but that was really to see if people wanted nostogia or modern. im taking note to keep quoting down to a very small minimum.
On the other hand, Its going to be impossible to start on this if we dont start discussing ideas soon. we need a private forum or chat room or something if were ever going to start, and if we dont get there and end up throwing together ideas, then we wont have a very good game. its pretty much time to stop discussing and start acting, if that isnt too rash of me to say at this point. So lets figure out something so we can get this philosiphil train on its onward tracks.
hi all me'z a new here and just wanting to say that if any of u need some one to create music i've serveral pregrams and idea's i can make for the game and i've pages of idea's if any one wants them i'd be glad to help ya's keep it up sam and max must live again!!!!!!!! lol :p
If you ask Brushguy nicely, im 100% sure he would let you. He took me in without even knowing what im capable of, and I hope I havent been too much of a letdown, if ive been one at all. Not to sound like im trying to take control, but if you could send me some of you work just so i could hear what it sounds like, that would be nice, but i wouldnt have any judgement over what Brushguy could do with it.
http://www.thedaemonofid.com/wip/maxtest.jpg)
Here is a quick, maybe 15min model sketch of Max. hope you guys enjoy. If you want perhaps I will make a complete good looking max and sam :) whatever
Yes thats a pretty good model...
Why don't you have a look at this SNM2 game I made in AGS:
http://home.graffiti.net/telx:graffiti.net/snm2.zip) There was music but it was too big to upload sorry.
@ James Isaac: Right now, we're just discussing story. However, there have been some questions about a Mac version of the game, so if you could tell us if SLUDGE can convert to Mac, that'd help.
@ StonerDaveN'Max: You couldn't be more right. We do need to actually sit down and do some heavy work on the game soon if we're gonna get the game done at all. I just don't know any private chat rooms where we could move discussion to.
I can get a new Freewebs account for an information website. How about "The Unofficial Undead Sam and Max 2 Fangame"? I also have some info for the game on my site,
http://www.freewebs.com/lucaskeen)
@ Look_down: We need all the help we can get, and we also need a music composer. woxel1 had a nice MP3 (Club Lagomorph) a few pages back, but he doesn't seem interested in this anymore. So, put up some music and let us hear what it sounds like.
@thedaemon: Like the Max model. :)
Nice, well if any of u have msn messager i could send sample files much MUCH easier.... addy is skkr13@hotmail.com add me then u can check out the quailty i've midi and wav but midi sends much faster so have you guy's got close to coming up wit a story/plot for it yet??:p
heres an idea for the game... Sam and Max should go to Snuckey-u!
Erm, Plot sounds a bit dry. Do they have a reason for going there?
I have an idea for a plotish kinda thing for this game. They have to find that guy from the opening cutscene from hit the road!
Originally posted by threepwood3
I have an idea for a plotish kinda thing for this game. They have to find that guy from the opening cutscene from hit the road! .........................:o duh he wasn't a real guy didn't u watch the whole thing lol... they should go on hoildays or sam should get a girlfriend or max's family should call me somthing long them lines once its different any way enough of that lol :p
Do you talk like this in person? If so, I hate you.
It seems like many people have now taken interest in scriptwriting, but i must impose that if your going to post ideas, you put thought into the ideas. If you talk to Brushguy, he will likely let you work with us. But I must impose that you take thought, because ideas like missing T-Shirts[one of my latter ideas], dont really work, but well thought out ideas go a far way.
@Look_Down - Sent you an e-mail requesting MIDI samples. Hope to hear from you soon
@sheaday6 - Listen, nobody minds you posting here, but this thread is more business than play, so keep the comments about how people talk to a minimum.
@Thedaemon - The model is very nice, and with a good amount of work put into it rather than 15mins, it could be outstanding. I hope to see the sam models soon
@JamesIsaac - I need you to review my script and tell me what you think if you don't mind. I need all of the opinions i can get.
@Brushguy - If everyone were to download AIM [Program Here] (
http://www.aim.com) Then I could make a chat specifically designed for us, but we would need a set date for us to seriously discuss. Maybe if that worked, then we could make individual dates for the Voices, Graphics, Story, etc.
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And if im not imposing too much, I would like to take some extra responcibilty on this thread until we get a site or something, such as relaying questions. Im on this forum often, because at my college im free all evening since my only job is over the summer, so id have plenty of time[except maybe on weekends]. If that wouldnt be a secure desicion, then i dont mind.
If im taking too much control here, im giving everyone [that has some sence] the chance here to put me back in my place.
Edit: I said impose way too much. Sorry:D .
@ StonerDaveN'Max: Wouldn't mind if you took the controls of this project for a while, to find a chat room for us and so on. But I could still do a website for information on the game and so on, for instance
http://www.freewebs.com/samandmax2) .
Does AIM cost money to get? I think a place where we can discuss this would be good.
P.S. Snuckey-U would be an interesting location for them to visit in the game, despite the fact that I think the guy was just spouting off random ideas.
AIM is completely free, and thanks for the xtra responsibilites, or whatever they may be. Snuckey's-U.. I like it!
When anyone downloads AIM, please state it in a post, and if you could check off the people or give us a checklist Brushguy, that would be just gravy.
Edit: Hey! Im finally a Freelancer!
Ahem don't I exist or something?
I say again try my snm2 demo I made"
http://home.graffiti.net/telx:graffiti.net/snm2.zip)
Don't get a freeweb account - I can get a better host....
This way we are organising the project now is silly, because everything is out of order on these forums. It would be better if you did it through e-mail, or on a forum about this, because right now everything is a bit out of control. What i sometimes do with DOTA is tell the people in their groups (e.g. dialogue writers), what they have to get done, and then the 3 of them work together to ge the whole thing done, and that works fine.
And, why are we making 3D sam and max models? I thought it was going to be a 2d game :confused:
And Krazy, that fan games really funny :D
And, StonerDaveN'Max, i love that script. It's really good... :D
I have a .com
www.thedaemonofid.com) and I could host a forum. I can do art :) just tell me where to go.
Originally posted by James Isaac
Don't get a freeweb account - I can get a better host....
This way we are organising the project now is silly, because everything is out of order on these forums. It would be better if you did it through e-mail, or on a forum about this, because right now everything is a bit out of control. What i sometimes do with DOTA is tell the people in their groups (e.g. dialogue writers), what they have to get done, and then the 3 of them work together to ge the whole thing done, and that works fine.
And, why are we making 3D sam and max models? I thought it was going to be a 2d game :confused:
And Krazy, that fan games really funny :D
And, StonerDaveN'Max, i love that script. It's really good... :D
Im not sure that e-mail would work as good as we would hope, but a forum strictly for the members of the staff sound very nice! Yes it is still a 2D game, Would anyone want it otherwise? Of course not! Though the models were very fine work, and i still want to see the Sam models. Im not quite sure what DOTA stands for, so could you tell me in your next post? and lastly, thanks for the review, but is there anything that held it back from a better potential?
sup StonerDaveN'Max
did ya get my email yet or did the sound files work?? i've writen a few little more samples for sam&max type work....... would someone post a review of who's doin wat and put every one into groups like art/script/graphics etc........... coz we'd need to sort these small things out so who's setting up the forum or chat or wat eva????:p
I would like to do some art, but I haven't yet bought a wacom, I sold my old one! I will be buying a new one soon, maybe real soon. I would volunteer for concept art/production art, but I don't want to be the "leader" of artists, I don't have too much time to tell people what to do :) I can, sketch some things out and scan it in, I will practice drawing sam and max tonight (I am at work right now), and perhaps scan it in. Do you guys want me to create a forum? Or can we add our own section here???
yeah i'm sure every bit of help could be of some use in development we need a forum or sumthing and to arrange a time and day were we could all talk....... if everyone is takin it seriously
Alright, here's the team (so far. I can add somebody else but only if they're willing to work on it):
Brushguy
James Isaac
Look_down
Pork_Soda
StonerDaveN'Max
toenail1
tygerbug
@thedaemon: If you could get a site host and a private forum for us members, that'd be sweet. :)
And James Isaac is right. We all need to buckle down and do serious work on the game and stop chatting. I think we should:
1. Write the script
2. Do backgrounds
3. Write the music
4. Program it into SLUDGE
5. Record voices
6. Finish it off
and keep it to that. So if you want to do backgrounds, do that when we move on to Step 2. If you want to write music, let us know during Step 3, and so on. Right now, let's get the whole outline of the story down, everything nailed in place, and then we can start working on jokes, puzzles, etc.
Until we get a private forum let's keep serious discussions here.
i agree wit ya Brushguy
we should start movin and stick to a schedual and try finish one thing at a time before we start moving to the next one lets get the script and idea's down first (can someone send me a copy of wat ya's got so far cheers) :p
http://thedaemonofid.com/phpBB2/)
this is the forum, I will customize it later.
Since we're focusing on the story right now, let's map out every location we've proposed so far:
-Sam and Max's office
-Flint Paper's neighboring office
-Outside area
-Really Bad Food, near their office (proposed by me in the AGS demo)
-Ma & Pa's Grocery and Stick'em'Up Emporium (proposed by me just now, appeared in the Sam and Max road trip comic in 1989)
-Who Doesn't Want to Be a Billionaire? (proposed by tygerbug)
-Club Lagomorph (named after the MP3 by woxel1)
-Snuckey U (proposed by Ooshmaster)
This is a good start, but we need a few more. Of course, if anybody still liked my three-part storyline idea (1. USA, 2. Mack Salmon's base, 3. outer space) we could use the locations I had in that:
-Mack Salmon's underground base for Part 2
-Outer space
-Green Mama's (from the cancelled game ;) )
-The Moon (tygerbug and I thought crashing on the moon with puzzles to fix the DeSoto would be a good idea)
-Twisted Mental Hospital on another planet (also by tygerbug and me)
Whaddya think? Of course, following StonerDaveN'Max's idea, Flint Paper could be kidnapped by Mack Salmon for some reason, and that leads them to outer space. Haven't figured out everything just yet though. Maybe Mack Salmon could escape his base in an escape ship, along with Flint, and blast off for outer space, with Sam and Max in hot pursuit.
We also need a title.
Okay okay, this is a lot to work with, so i'll try to kick off my ideas to pull some of this together.
First off, If Mack Salmon is going to want revenge on Flint, I suggest something like they were pressing him for information about his past that he would'nt give, and learned somehow that back in college, he roomed with some beta fish that picked on him for fin rot and always having algae crusted on the inside his bowl, and was a total wuss, which made him bitter and later caused him to become evil and powerful. When Flint released that information, he fell back into his old position of a filthy wuss again due to people laughing without fear and having almost no goons anymore, destroyed his self esteem, so he was bent on revenge, and got the loyal goons that were still with him to throw Flint in a rocketship, and blast them off to the moon.
Thats the best i can do off the top of my head, but ill put some good thought into it tomorrow.
For titles, I have put a little thought in, and came up with two.
Sam & Max: Our Newest Case Ever
Sam & Max: Another Fishy Case
Not too good, but maybe it might spark something creative for someone else.
Since Im very wore down today, Im going to just stop there, and put in some work tomorrow when all our scriptwriters have put in their input.
@ Look_Down - Thanks for the forum, that may be just what we need! And those were pretty good MIDIs.
Lastly, if there are any ideas that someone does'nt like, then dont be afrad to speak up, because some people may see what others miss. I havent caught anything like that, but there are some ideas that I think should be included if it would work, such as Green Mamas, but not forced in. I love the idea, but if it did'nt go along with what we were doing, then it should'nt be cramming it in and risk messing up a small portion [so lets hope that it will fit :)].
End
Dave in your script you said Sam uses the Severed hand holding the magnet to get the phone. Sorry to break the shocking news to you but most phones are made of plastic so I don't see what a magnet would do.
http://www.dotagame.com/forum)
Do you want a sub forum in there? Because that would help you, and me because it get's my forum post count up ;) .
I will also host it from my site, like snm.dotagame.com. With 50mb storage and about 200mb bandwith a month - that ok? I can also code the site - i know php and mysql.
DOTA stands for Day of the Aliens.
I just tried chapter 1 of GMI Brushguy. I think it was very clever and shows talent :) . The drawings were good but those white dots everywhere iritated me to no extent.
I just tried chapter 1 of GMI Brushguy. I think it was very clever and shows talent . The drawings were good but those white dots everywhere iritated me to no extent.
Thanks Krazy. I know, when I scan the hand-drawn papers into the computer, a lot of different shades of white pixels get in there, making it difficult to fill every area of the picture in with one solid color. Hope you'll try the other 5 parts. Part 1 is just a warm-up.
Oh, and thedaemon did the forum, not Look_down.
And Dave, if it's all right to call you that, I get tired of typing the long name, all that stuff about Mack Salmon and outer space that I said was proposed by me much earlier in this topic.
Also, I think Sam and Max somehow unknowingly caused Mack Salmon to become part-fish part-man(according to the comics), but then we still need a reason for Flint being taken by Mack. Oh wait! Mack Salmon could kidnap Flint, because he knows it would lure Sam and Max out. If he could get Sam and Max out, then he could enact revenge on them. At the end of Part 2, he sends Flint off in a ship to outer space because he no longer has a need for him now that he has Sam and Max. So at the end of Part 2, you must defeat Mack Salmon to avoid being getting killed, and then in Part 3, chase after Flint's ship, which could be on a crash course for some hostile planet.
How's that? :)
you can start posting here now
FANGAME FORUM (
http://thedaemonofid.com/phpBB2/)
I will make it look much better when I get the time, been very busy lately :(
http://www.dotagame.com/forum)
Do you want a sub forum in there? Because that would help you, and me because it get's my forum post count up .
I will also host it from my site, like snm.dotagame.com. With 50mb storage and about 200mb bandwith a month - that ok? I can also code the site - i know php and mysql.
Pleeease
Originally posted by Brushguy
And Dave, if it's all right to call you that, I get tired of typing the long name, all that stuff about Mack Salmon and outer space that I said was proposed by me much earlier in this topic.
Also, I think Sam and Max somehow unknowingly caused Mack Salmon to become part-fish part-man(according to the comics), but then we still need a reason for Flint being taken by Mack. Oh wait! Mack Salmon could kidnap Flint, because he knows it would lure Sam and Max out. If he could get Sam and Max out, then he could enact revenge on them. At the end of Part 2, he sends Flint off in a ship to outer space because he no longer has a need for him now that he has Sam and Max. So at the end of Part 2, you must defeat Mack Salmon to avoid being getting killed, and then in Part 3, chase after Flint's ship, which could be on a crash course for some hostile planet.
How's that? :)
PERFECTO! a little cliched[if thats spelled right], but yet exactly what would work! Since I used to live in a ghetto type city, I only got to buy a few of the comics, and that was at a comic fair that came around annualy, so you may have to fill me in on a little bit of information like that.
Though a question I need to ask is, Does it have to take place on one planet, or could it have about a couple to several locations?
The only part I am worrying about is defeating him by avoiding getting killed. It seems there would be problems handling the two characters in the bout, but im sure it would be easy to fix like putting max on sam's shoulders, or just sam running.
All in all, it seems pretty much flawless to fit in everything anyone wants now! So now all we need to do is start thinking if we are going to start off with what i wrote, or come up with something original. Its probably best to use a few ideas that i had, but basically go from the beginning.
By the way, Dave is actually preferred since the stoner part gives off the impression that im a... well, stoner. And could you give an input if we should use our new forum, e-mail, or the AIM chat room i could set up? I believed that there was another one, but i cant recall it.
Now I have to go look at a Mercury Cougar to see if im going to buy it, so I will check back later:) .
Edit: Not that it matters now, but there is metal inside of a phone, and I dont believe that there is any machienery that operates by plastic parts.
Then a magnet would probobly stuff up this macinery or something :p.
Originally posted by Brushguy
Thanks Krazy. I know, when I scan the hand-drawn papers into the computer, a lot of different shades of white pixels get in there, making it difficult to fill every area of the picture in with one solid color.
I have an idea. Go over the pictures with a dark pen or marker. THen when you scan them scan it as black and white then you can easily colour it and will only have one shade of black and one shade of white.
@ Krazy: What I meant is, that the white parts, when scanned, come out to be several shades of white on the computer, since we don't live in a 256-color world. Anyway, I'd like to end this pointless argument and get back on topic.
@ StonerDaveN'Max: How about I abbreviate you to SDnM? If you don't like it, just say so. Anyway, I think the only part of my story that you had to read the comics to understand is the part about Sam and Max causing Mack Salmon's accident (try to spell Mack Salmon's name like it's said. You will be shocked :eek: ). Even in the comic it's not fully explained...
Sam: I don't recognize your face, Mr. Mack Salmon. And you seem kind of irritable. Does it have anything to do with this glass head business?
Mack Salmon: YOU are responsible for my appearance! YOU set in motion the horrible events leading to the turn of fate which resulted in the twist of destiny creating the grisly countenance you see before you!
Max: How'd he get that way, Sam?
Sam: Some kind of boating mishap, I'm guessing.
Max: Are you really alive in there, or is Thing One a ventriloquist? What's this fake body made of?
Mack Salmon: You're both going to suffer for what you've done!
Max: How often do you clean this water?
I thought about us fans explaining in the fangame how Sam and Max caused the accident, but I think that's a job that only Steve Purcell can figure out.
Anyway, I had several planets in mind when I told my story idea for Part III. Maybe the Moon, Green Mama's, the mental hospital, and a few others. I originally wanted Flint's ship to be on a crash course with the Sun, but Earth is so close to the Sun that Sam & Max probably couldn't do anything in time.
And your story is a terrific jumping-off point for our game plot discussion. Let's start there.
And finally, let's use thedaemon's forum since he was nice enough to set it up for us.
http://thedaemonofid.com/phpBB2/)
I dont have much time, so ill make this quick.
I still cant figure out the message his name gives out unless its "Max's Salamon"
Originally posted by StonerDaveN'Max
I dont have much time, so ill make this quick.
I still cant figure out the message his name gives out unless its "Max's Salamon"
We talking about Mack Salmon here? Look at it this way
Sam N Max
Salmon, Mack
Now read it quickly, see if you get it.
Thanks much, my eyes have kind of been damaged after spending 5,800.
Originally posted by Brushguy
@ Krazy: What I meant is, that the white parts, when scanned, come out to be several shades of white on the computer
Nononono that isn't what I meant. I understand why the white bits are there but you're not listening to my advice properly. When you go to scan it you can say how how many colours to scan. If you tell it to just scan black and white only the black bits will show up and there will be no other shades of white. I'm trying to help you. Look at this pic I scanned:
http://www.sunfungames.50megs.com/stick.html) I scanned that with the method I said and there were no other shades of white.
I still cant figure out the message his name gives out unless its "Max's Salamon"
You never heard of Mack Salmon, the fishbowl headed arch-nemesis of Sam & Max?
Shame on you.
@ Krazy: I get it now. Sorry, didn't understand before. :) I didn't know that at the time of making my fangame. :rolleyes:
@SDnM: Here are some titles I thought up for the game.
Sam and Max: Beyond Good and Ugly (my personal favorite)
Sam and Max: The World Is Not 'Nuff (hence going into outer space)
Sam and Max: Day of the Sturgeon (DOTT parody)
Sam and Max: Mack Salmon's Revenge (MI2 parody)
mm think everyone got ur point Brushguyx5 lol
:p am i the only one usein thedaemon's forum?? i've made 3 game songs so far still workin on game idea's and stuff...
liked the title" Sam and Max: Beyond Good and Ugly" but still doesnt have that smack bang affect wen u read it u know its gunna be good keep workin on it :p
We need all the help we can get, and we also need a music composer. woxel1 had a nice MP3 (Club Lagomorph) a few pages back, but he doesn't seem interested in this anymore. So, put up some music and let us hear what it sounds like.
Hey, Mr. (Lowpost) Woxel1 back. I am really interested in your Sam and Max fangame (despite the commentary of certain nay-sayers), but having the Awesome Responsibility of running a website <plug>
www.penguinbros.com</plug>), I couldn't find the time to actively work on the game (and check these boards :P).
Hoooooowever, if you need songs in the Spirit of Sam and Max for any reason, I would be more than happy to contribute.
Keep up the good work! Or don't! I dunno!
Gee, I'm sorry guys. I only hit the "Post" button once. Musta been some weird forum glitch, or my computer, or my modem. Oh well. Anyway, I deleted the extra accidental posts.
Hey woxel1, glad to see you're still around. If you're not too busy, here's our list of locations that could have music:
Sam and Max's Office (and outside)
Geek's Lab
Really Bad Food
Ma and Pa's Grocery & Stick'em'up Emporium
Club Lagomorph :)
Who Doesn't Want to Be a Billionaire?
Snuckey-U
Mack Salmon's Underground Base
The Moon
Green Mama's
Mental Hospital On Another Planet
...but don't feel like you have to write music for all the spots in the game. An MP3 here and there would be nice.
Also, I'd like to hear look_down's midis as soon as possible.
Originally posted by Dr Edison 007
You never heard of Mack Salmon, the fishbowl headed arch-nemesis of Sam & Max?
Shame on you.
How about reading the posts, you will see i know quite a bit
@Brushguy: if we pick from those, go with the first or second title.
Just a sidenote, I got the sam and max comic book "Bad day on the moon" today, im sure that will provied me with some ideas and information
@Woxel1: ive actually heard of penguin bros.. i cant remember what it was i saw, but i know i liked it.
im not in much of a mood for being much help today or at this moment, so im not really posting anything.