...Which saber do you like best? I prefer the Saberstaff because all the twirling moves and kicks rock. I also played the Jedi tomb level (can't remember the name) and did much better with the staff against other jedi, but dual sabers against nonsaber enemies.

And also, how do polls work? (I'm obviously new)

I prefer the saber staff because of all of the kicking and i love that butterfly attack and the spinning attack that is executed the same way as lunge is. And i like disabling one end and using just yellow stance. Hopefully i will be able to trick some people in multiplayer when i start fighting with one and then bust out the other blade. :)

Staff for sure, so many moves and the kicking is fun. I can't wait to be a kick whore in multi :D

***Disclaimer*** Ok first of all of these points are my personal perspective and beliefs of the game if you don’t like them please don’t flame me ….

Well after playing the demo more hours than I'd like to tell, I'd say that their really pushing the saber staff as the...


"Holy Jedi Killer" Staffs in history have been used to fight more than one enemy, so its prob the best in SP in multiple Jedi fighting, and in MP will probably serve to be the lightsaber of choice in FFA settings. But IMHO it will 80% of the time, loose to a duel saber user…

The Single Saber Has its uses as the ultimate Swiss Army Knife, whatever the situation you can win with it. It has many uses and in MP Dueling it will be one of the two main powers in 1 vs 1 fighting, It has the most “Moves, Specials, Katas” of the three saber types. A master has an arsenal of 3+ Katas [Spoiler… the + is for what I believe to be the secret Katas… play the demo on hard to see the AI use them], several force stabs and a plethora, yes plethora [I like the word], of tactical attacks ranging in speed and power. There is so much to talk about here but I’ll leave it at that.


In the Dueling arena there is no first place winner there are two “First place winners” the second first place winner is the “Duel Saber User”. The English, back in the day, usually used two weapons when they dueled, it gave them an incredible advantage, usually they would use a medium one handed sword like a Rapier, and their second would usually be a long dagger or short sword used for paring or stabbing a.k.a. “death blowing”. In academy, the two lighsabers work independently but they rely on each other to set one another up in attacks and parries, and I could ramble on but I’ll just move to MP.

In Academy the duel lightsaber duelist in DUEL MP games IMHO will win 80% Against midlevel single lightsaber users and advanced light staff users and 60% Against advanced single lightsaber users and master light staff users.

So here’s the rundown

1. For War type of settings FFA etcetera the light staff is King

2. For tactical advantage in any situation especially Siege and lesser in duel the Single Blade is King

3. And for dueling one on one and sometimes one on two [no more], such as duel or team duel, the duel lightsaber user is King


Hope this helped,

-VanishingVision

SABER STAFF!!

I love the saber twirl.

and kicking. but i don't like the butterfly.

the most powerfull is still red style, but staff is more fun

Dual sabers,

The twirl for those weapons is even faster than the staff. You get a nice defensive bonus and longer reach too.

I have a feeling there will be nothing but newbs with staffs in mp, thinking they're really cool like darth Maul!......right. Well, time to drop the saber staff since it's obviously the newb favorite. Double sabers here i come!!! :rolleyes:

I said I would go for the Dual Sabers first, and I have. I'm starting to learn them.

Granted, there was something nice about the simplicity of the cuts with the single saber and the variety of stances (and I haven't used the Saberstaff much... did you know you can make it have two different blade colors? and it has 5 different hilts too!), but I just like the dual blades and as I get better at them, I enjoy them even more.

We don't know of course what tweaks and subtle differences there will be in MP in the full version, so I will reserve judgement on that until I can play it first hand.

But for SP it looks like this is a legit choice.


One thing about the saberstaff though, I pulled an enemy Mercenaries weapon away and got him boxed in a corner, then I proceeded to "kick" him over and over with the Saberstaff stance (front and back kicks). He fell over dozens of times, but it never seemed to be able to kill him. So I just finished him off. I wonder if they kicks do zero damage, or just certain enemies are more resistant to them (they get knocked down and yell in protest, but don't die from them)?

In the Dueling arena there is no first place winner there are two “First place winners” the second first place winner is the “Duel Saber User”. The English, back in the day, usually used two weapons when they dueled, it gave them an incredible advantage, usually they would use a medium one handed sword like a Rapier, and their second would usually be a long dagger or short sword used for paring or stabbing a.k.a. “death blowing”. In academy, the two lighsabers work independently but they rely on each other to set one another up in attacks and parries, and I could ramble on but I’ll just move to MP.

In Academy the duel lightsaber duelist in DUEL MP games IMHO will win 80% Against midlevel single lightsaber users and advanced light staff users and 60% Against advanced single lightsaber users and master light staff users.

So here’s the rundown

1. For War type of settings FFA etcetera the light staff is King

2. For tactical advantage in any situation especially Siege and lesser in duel the Single Blade is King

3. And for dueling one on one and sometimes one on two [no more], such as duel or team duel, the duel lightsaber user is King

I assume that's pure speculation on your part. Or do you honestly think you can compare combat the limited AI dark jedi & mercs we've see in the demo and extrapolate that to MP in the full version (and accounting for any subtle differences between the two versions, etc)?

No offense and not trying to flame, just curious.


I think a lot of people are already lashing out (as they have before) against the Dual Sabers and Saberstaff (especially the Saberstaff) because they percieve them to be "fanboy stances" rather than true gameplay options (Ie: "I B Dark Mall wit his dubble saber!!!11").

Now, for right now (not having mastered it by far) the Saberstaff appears to be all cheap kicks and fancy "combos" while being good for blocking and covering a wider area (fighting multiple opponents) I can't say how that will gel in a multiplayer context where you have all sorts of people with all sorts of weapons and combined force+guns+saber tactics.

The point is for the Dual Sabers and Double Saber to be more powerful in SP...at least against a single saber WITH ONLY ONE STANCE. It's rather logical- if you're good enough to have a staff or a second saber, you must be a better overall saberist, OR a less rounded saberist. I HOPE that in MP the point is for them to be balanced. I also think an an intelligent player with a sinlge saber will beat "D4RTH M4UL11111111" 99 times of 100. :p

The saber staff has some really good combos and special moves. I'm not downing it in SP but in MP, that's another story. In an MP server about 90% of saber users will have the saber-staff, wich is basicaly the only reason i don't like it, it will become a trend to all the people who are brand new to the jedi knight scene. I may use it once or twice but i personaly feel it will put a damper on the fun in ffa's since everyone will be running around with the staff. I mean, we all remember when servers had mods for the saber staff in JO, pure chaos.

Well the thing is, if everybody has the saber staff, then that is actually an advantage for non-staff users.

Why?

Well, its a little like the Strong Stance in JK2. If a bunch of people use nothing but, they often fall victim to tactics from the other two stances, because their tactics are "over-optimized" for fighting other people who use Strong Stance exclusively.

Sure, they may get good at the staff, but you'll always have your area of expertise to throw a monkey wrench into their over-optimized strategy.

I could always get the staff and show them how it's done. :) In JO i'm supreme with Medium (Yellow) stance. I don't like the double sabers cause it doesn't have a great kata. The Katas bail you out when you're surrounded by multiple enemies. All the double saber stance is good for is the dual twirl, it has no real good moves.

***Disclaimer*** Ok first of all of these points are my personal perspective and beliefs of the game if you don’t like them please don’t flame me ….

It really says something about how sorry this forum is when people feel that they have to say this before a post.

Anyway, back on topic. I personally like the single saber, blue stance the best. Simple, elegant and effective.

Single saber will easily be balanced against the new, since red stance breaks through anything, I think you should avoid the hits and swings from the others and then quickly side swing with red, like in JK2.
Because I know that in JK2 that did some nice effect if you knew how to do it, it should easily be good in this game too.

I hope so, atleast.

I have to go with Taran'atar, I'm still most at home with the single saber. And with it's new slew of moves it still holds it's own. And I'm sure that if I practice enough that I'll be more efficient against groups of multiple saber wielding baddies >.>

Originally posted by Taran'atar
It really says something about how sorry this forum is when people feel that they have to say this before a post.

Maybe he was simply aware that he's making broad, sweeping and unfounded generalizations and wanted to cover his ass?

Single saber will easily be balanced against the new, since red stance breaks through anything, I think you should avoid the hits and swings from the others and then quickly side swing with red, like in JK2.

Please God, no. If red is as powerful as it was before, everything about the single saber will be as unbalanced as ever.

I suspect that the double and dual saber will cost you something to use in MP - whether that be points to buy force powers, or reduced weaponry, I don't know. Why I think this, is because Raven seems to be aware of the new saber's superiority as you get them late in the game. A shot in the dark, yes, but hopefully this will be the case if the weapons indeed are this unbalanced.

Or maybe I'm just whining before even having tried the game, but it's curious that the doublesaber gets infinite twirly moves, kicks, a smattering of specials and the option to turn it into a single saber, while the single saber gets nothing in return.

Perhaps Raven want us all to use only double/dualsaber? :confused:

I prefer the dual sabers because it feels more flexible.

If one blade flies out of your hand, you aren't defensless (unlike the single saber).

The dual saber twirl does a great job at getting through the defenses. With the saberstaff twirl, you're lucky if you can get past the tip of the opponent's saber.

The Katas bail you out when you're surrounded by multiple enemies. All the double saber stance is good for is the dual twirl, it has no real good moves.

The saberstaff kata will not bail you out if you're surrounded. Your enemies just have to back up and wait 'till your done, then do a rolling stab. The single saber katas leave your backside open.

The dual saber kata provides mildly ranged defense on all sides.

I enjoy using the Single Saber most of all. I like the simplicity and how everything about it has a purpose, the Dual (it's dual, not duel :) ) sabers are fun to use and so is the saber staff (I call it the lightstaff)

oh, please, fine. You will see for yourself that single saber will easily dominate the others, and the others dominate single.

It just depends on your skills. They didn't make it like it would be in real life, that somebody with a single loses against somebody with something more ''advanced'', like a dual or double-bladed lightsaber.

It is probably balanced, but I suspect that you have to change your tactics against them, like doing DFA's or avoiding their powerful attacks and swings.

Originally posted by Master William
oh, please, fine. You will see for yourself that single saber will easily dominate the others, and the others dominate single.

Just like medium and fast stance easily dominated strong stance in JK2?

-Jedi:
-In the SP of JO, light stance dominated. Its amazing lunge-stab move, abused backstab move, and unmatched, unhindered mobility gave Katarn the ability to dodge attacks and then strike with impunity. It's better to live to fight another day, i.e. get sure-fire hits in with light and dodge the oppononents.
-But WOW, in multiplayer, was that stance abused. I played and beat JO on Jedi Master using only Medium, including the Final Battle, and I got a lot of satisfaction out of it. Of all the stances, Medium Stance was the one most hindered/ignored in MP, but I still used it and still beat other players with it. Why? Because I had the skill to adapt.
-Long story short: Those who have the skill and practice with their weapon will win. They will simply fight with their opponent's weakness in mind and as that changes so will their tactics.
-Best of luck...

Personally, I favor the single saber. Why? Because it has a larger variety of moves and I find that the single's kata is the most useful. (But hey, what do I know? I rarely used saber swings as an FF dueler in JK2)

With the dual sabers, no one is going to stand there waiting for you to finish your kata or walk into it. They will just throw their saber or DFA and cut you in two.

Ok with the saber staff, its kata is slightly more useful but it's way too long and you'll maybe hit your opponent once with it but then after that one hit they will move away and counter you.

The single saber on the other hand has a short and sweet kata. If you're close-quarters with your opponent, a single saber kata is guaranteed to hit and it doesn't last long enough for your opponent to move and counter.

Each type of saber should have its strengths/weaknesses. I won't say that Raven balanced this evenly though. They don't have a very good record of balancing things, do they?

The thing about stances with the single saber is that no person need limit themselves to one stance.

Remember that in JK2 people who choose Strong would automatically also possess Medium and Fast, etc.

I'm sure they will be tweaked in MP to be balanced, as opposed to single player where the differences are more stylistic.

All the double saber stance is good for is the dual twirl, it has no real good moves.

You're forgetting the double stabs! ; )

Single Saber, Heavy stance.

My bread and butter.

I find the saber staff is the best for dueling

saber staff or heavy single. the rest simply don't match up. these two are the most "solid" of stances. it's hard to punch through them - especially with weaker stances, and their penetration is superior to other stances. the dual sabers do have decent blocking, but their lack the power to break through with enough frequency to be useful. in addition, turning off one saber gives you light stance, easily the most useless.

in a competitive environment, you don't want variety, you want the best and you want it consistently. the saberstaff also gives you the kicks, which are dangerous to use, but effective when they hit.

i think, however, that the importance of this issue may have been overstated somewhat. the largest determinant in who wins is skill, period. saber and force choice do play a part, but if you havent got the skill to back it up, there's no point.

suspect that the double and dual saber will cost you something to use in MP - whether that be points to buy force powers, or reduced weaponry, I don't know. Why I think this, is because Raven seems to be aware of the new saber's superiority as you get them late in the game. A shot in the dark, yes, but hopefully this will be the case if the weapons indeed are this unbalanced.

You do make a valid point here C'jais, however I still have to disagree.

For one thing, check out Fast (blue) stance, it has unlimited spins! How is this anymore unbalanced giving this stance unlimited chains than the dual/double?

Also, check out the DFA, you can spin 360 degrees with it just like in JK2 before the patches. Plus, I've heard people say that the Strong stance feels "Faster" than before.

Granted, they have said they want to make SP and MP closer than ever in JA, but minor tweaks may still occur that drastically change the gameplay in favor of balance.

The final point I wanted to make about your comments is about this part.

Raven seems to be aware of the new saber's superiority as you get them late in the game.

This would be a very strong point, however haven't we also heard that you will gain new stances later in the game?

For all we know, you will be earning the new sabers around the time you earn your last new stance, so it may be considered equivalent (I would assume if you did progress stance-wise, it would be Medium, Fast, and then Strong... and it has been confirmed officially that Medium is the starting stance, though in the demo you could pick any one stance to use right off the bat).

If this were the case, then it would be no problem in MP even if it were identical gameplay wise.

Dual & Double sabers infinite chaining? No problem, you've got the unlimited chains in the Fast Stance. Cheap moves? No problem, you've got the spinning DFA o' Doom. ; )

Yes, there would be a disadvantage if somebody only put on Saber Attack 1 (so they had Fast Stance only) and took on a SaberStaff/Dual Sabers user, but in a Duel situation, wouldn't a person be foolish to do that? The real strength of the Single saber is the sheer variety of moves available to you.

It would make sense to have the force points for Saber Attack Level 3 (which gave you all three stances in JK2 and probably will here as well) also be enough for a Dual or Saberstaff.

(edit - Gonk - beta talk... again)

I prefer the Double Bladed Saber! A dream comes true for me.
But I admit that fighting with two lightsabers is a cool thing too:D

Jaaah! I can't wait till I can buy it:p :D :p

As I said before, I'ma go with the staff, I won't care if it's the noob choice.
Single saber is nice, but I know it and won't want to use it for a longer time.
For the dualsabers: I like them too, but I can get it on better with the staff.
And I'd use staff in duels too...even if that meant loosing...
And I won't act like 'taht uber killa g0su DaRtH mAuL', I'ma act like Kun -.-

I have a newb question. With the saber staff, if you turn off one of the blades, and make it the single saber, are you unable to do the kata's for the single blade? I've tried and i can't get it to work. Same for dual sabers. And has anyone noticed how hard it is with single blade on meduim style. On light, its much easier.

In this demo I felt like I had an easier time with the doublebladed (am I the only one to use that term?) then with any other. I do love the dual sabers though, and that has always been a dream for me, to fight dual. And NO, I'm NOT an Anakin wannabe. I wanted to fight dual sabers even before Ep2. :p
Even though a few JO mods made this possible, it didn't feel like you had the strength of two sabers, rather one and a quarter.

I don't know if I did something wrong or so, but I only had one stance with singlebladed, but perhaps it's supposed to be that way in the demo. With strong I (and probably you too) was weak on the Tatooine level. With fast I was weak on the Chandrila (or whatever it's called) level. Medium was the only versatile enough to use unless you can switch between the three.

Anyways, I'll use dual sabers, no matter what you will, even if it means I'll get cut to pieces in 99 duels of 100.

I think that when you have just one blade ignited with either the double bladed saber or the twin sabers that you can only do the basic moves and none of the special to at least handicap you somewhat.

C'jais, no.

If you were being sarcastic, then you should know that if you knew how to use fast or medium stance, you could dominate strong stance. I almost never lost against a red stance with those, especially medium, I kept wooping the ass out of the red-stancers.

I smell a buried administrator here...


And that administrator must be Kurgan.:D

Originally posted by Master William
If you were being sarcastic, then you should know that if you knew how to use fast or medium stance, you could dominate strong stance. I almost never lost against a red stance with those, especially medium, I kept wooping the ass out of the red-stancers.

So did I - Don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.

But even though you *could* kill good heavies with medium or fast, it was so painfully obvious which stances were given an unfair advantage. An advantage which can be somewhat negated by skill, but still an advantage for which there's no logical justification.

Kurgan, I'm aware that fast stance has unlimited chain, and that the strong stance's silly DFA is back with a vengeance, but why did they have to shaft the medium stance once again to make this happen? I don't see the reason at all.

Even though the greedy part of me wants to see the single saber have kicks as well, I can envision why that might set off a spam fest without equal.

But, no matter - whining about it here won't change a thing, and I guess I should just get on with the adaptation alright.

In the full version of the game, do single blade users get all 3 stances like in jedi outcast?

I think that singleusers will be able to achieve all three stances, but won't have them from the beginning. Maybe they'll be 'buyable'.

Afaik, this is one of the advantages for single. With staff and dual, you only have one stance, with single three.

Perhaps when you get to choose either single, dual or double is when you obtain the full 3 stances for single, and halfway between then and the start of the game you gain one of them. You'd probably get to choose.

It would make sense that that happens, seeing as the neutral force powers progress naturally.

although saber combat may be the similar in MP and SP, that doesn't mean the moves will be. remember in JO, you could rotate your lunge and DFA in SP, but not in MP (after 1.02 anyway). JA could witness the MP toning down of several moves as well.

and karl, with one of the dual sabers turned on, you can do the light stance lunge. all other special moves are disabled when only one blade of the dual/staff sabers is turned on.

im really looking forward to testing out multiplayer gameplay. i think the ability to kick with the staff will make it the best weapon, and failing that, the single saber in my opinion.

i think that the dual sabers just dont work as well as the other options. perhaps if they removed throw when using duel sabers, instead allowing primary and secondary fire to each control a different saber ... that would make saber combat incredibly interesting, and true control over sabers would be something that not many people had. it would open up so many more options for saber combat, and make games a lot more interesting i think.

The Blue Stance still ruling, the force pull impale, the speed+kata, and the two hit+lunge destroy any enemy in the game, and very fast!!!!!!

The dualbladed saber, also ****ing rlz... way too cool to see!!!!

awww i was real disappointed when i used the staff and found it to be the newbie weapon :(

guess i'll be going to the single blade!!! :cool:

-Jedi:
-I'm going for double sabers...I know I've wanted to before Boc's two blades (That's for all the older Jedi Knight players), but I think that if you like the saberstaff, then go with it. If you're awesome with it, then you'll really stand out. Since we've marked the staff as the n00b weapon, it stands to reason that there will be fewer experts with that weapon. So, if you put in the time, and become really good, you'll be more highly revered. Plus, just imagine some poor idiot walking up to you, thinking you're new at this, only to be skewered by your blade.
-Ignorance MAY BE bliss in life, but it's sure not in JA.
-Best of luck...

I like them all...

:dsaber:
Double saber has funniest moves.

:saberb: :saberg:
Two sabers is coolest.

:saberr:
Single saber is classic.

for saber/vs/saber i prefer to use the two lightsabers.

for for saber/vs/guns i prefer to use the single lightsaber on FAST.

for saber/vs/lots of enemies i prefer the staff.

i used to love medium stance in jk2. but it seems way too slow now, and dont get me started on the uselessness of strong stance now.

but for cheap effective killing, i just use the force. no need for a lightsaber except to block an odd shot, grip/push/pull are all thats needed (though that life stealing one looks very cool too)

is anybody else addicted to spawning rodians just to pull/baseball bat them over and over?

Originally posted by Darth Talliusc
...is anybody else addicted to spawning rodians just to pull/baseball bat them over and over?

Errrr.... Not really... Gotta be really twisted and wicked to enjoy that :p

I usually prefer one single bladed lightsaber the staff i dont like very much.