I want to know what the christians think a christian is, and what the other people think of christians.
The truth is however that the average christian, demonination not considered, is a black native african woman.
there are more christians over in Africa then in North America or Europe or Asia or Australia.
But what I mean by what do you think a christian is, is what you think it means to be a christian, not what type of race.
But if your going to say, most christians this, or most christians that, take into mind that your talking about Africans.
None of this is directed at anyone of course, just curiouse as a christian what exactly the world thinks.
Myself, I think a christian has to believe the Bible. And must have accepted Jesus into his heart and confessed his sins to GOD, not to a priest. Because it is said in my Bible.
If something is not in the Bible, like aliens, then I do not think it is significant or required for daily life.
so what say you?
i say your beliefs are gonna get you alot of hardships. especially since your saying we all hafta be like you and you other christians
personally, I think a christian is anyone who is willing to throw away 3-5 hours sitting in a building listening to some guy talk about they're going to Hell. then, they gotta give up MORE of their time handing out flyers for their churches and going downtown during Rally by the River to give us 'HEATHENS' a talkdown and then to get the mayor on us when we tell em all to piss off*BUBBLES!!*!
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
But if your going to say, most christians this, or most christians that, take into mind that your talking about Africans.
What?
:eyeraise:
:wstupid:
I did not understnad your example with the African people. When you ask "What is a Christian" do you mean race? Or.. What do you mena. I don't quite understnad.
Originally posted by MydnightPsion
personally, I think a christian is anyone who is willing to throw away 3-5 hours sitting in a building listening to some guy talk about they're going to Hell. then, they gotta give up MORE of their time handing out flyers for their churches and going downtown during Rally by the River to give us 'HEATHENS' a talkdown and then to get the mayor on us when we tell em all to piss off*BUBBLES!!*!
You are quite misinformed. What about those people that risk their lives trying to spread a message that they believe in? What about those who are always there for someone when they need it and those who have a steadfast love for God. Don't group ALL Christians into a lump like that for that is only about 5% true. Those Christians who hand out flyers should NOT be doing that, no matter what they say.
Okay, the deal with the africans: There are more christians in africa then in north america. or any other country.
I don't know how to explain that more clearly, could you explain more clearly what you don't understand?
And I don't know about you but I've never handed out a flyer for christianity in my life. I have delivered flyers for a water bottling company.
It doesn't matter weather your a christian or not, you have to give up your time. You give your time to video games, or tv, you give your time to your girl freind(s), you give time to school, work, evrything.
I sit in a building listning to some guy talk about hell, way less than you sit in a building and listn to a guy talk about math and science. (assuming your a student)
And I really don't like rallies. Many christians do, but I can't stand gospel worship. Worship is your lifestyle, singing is a form of worship, but just one form.
As for christian activites I go to christian concerts, only Punk and Rock though, and youth groop, and 'fun activites'. For example, this friday I and my youth groop and some other christian youth groops are going to Laser Quest for an all night game thing.
Well christians are sooooo boring...... bla bla bla.
I mean this in a nice way of course, please don't take it wrong, I'm not flaming.
but I am glad you shared that MydnightPsion.
take MydnightPsion his reply for example Obi wan, that's exactly what kind of an answer I was looking for.
keepim comin
quote:Mandalorinan54
I sit in a building listning to some guy talk about hell, way less than you sit in a building and listn to a guy talk about math and science.
i sit in school because its either that or jail. you sit in church based on your free will to listen to the pastor talk about blind faith. there is a world of difference
so if you could you would live on the street without an education unable to get a job and afford a home or a car?
people give thier time to lots of things cause they want to, they find it benaficial or entertaining.
And hearing a preacher explain GOD's word on a regular basis helps christians live a better life. Like going to school helps people get Jobs.
Just because you went to highschool that doesn't make you educated. If you did not attend highschool, that does not make you uneducated.
I think you made up the african thing. Maybe you could give us a source, or something to back that up.
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
so if you could you would live on the street without an education unable to get a job and afford a home or a car?
people give thier time to lots of things cause they want to, they find it benaficial or entertaining.
And hearing a preacher explain GOD's word on a regular basis helps christians live a better life. Like going to school helps people get Jobs.
for one, my parents tought me how to read before i started school, so no help there. after that, the only thing i learned from school is that humans as a whole are self destructive, and from then until my freshman year of highschool, i devulged whatever i could from books, thus making teaching me pointless, because i often know more than the teacher on a subject*and my senior english teacher admitted to me knowing more than him on a subject*. so yes, if it was up to me, i wouldn't goto school. i'd sit in a library and teach myself.
If something is not in the Bible, like aliens, then I do not think it is significant or required for daily life.
*sighs, walks out of the thread shaking his head in utter and complete disgust*
1st i want to start by saying the only reason we go to school in America, dont know about other countries, is so we get jobs and pay taxes.... it the truth....lol...really
ok...now, a christian is a follower of Christ, but there is a lot more to it than that. first u have to accept Jesus into your life as your savior, then u recieve the Holy Spirit, then you have to get baptized, ok yeah anyone can do that, but, thats the point....the bible says anyone who asks Jesus into their lives and truly means it, will receive, that was in my own words.....
about what you said mydnightpsion, i only go to church about 2 1/2 hours on sunday. then we have a bible study during the week, God requires 10% percent of everything he gives us(or something like that....money and time anyways) so im supposed to spend about 2 hours and 40 minutes with God a day, i think, its been a while since i did the math. *i got to admit i dont:( *
The only reason any of us are here is to worship God, but satan screwed that up, so he made humans, and adam and eve screwed that up..... so anyways, thats why we are here, the job of a christian is to spred God's word, to tell people there is a new hope, Jesus Christ.
So i sort of explained what i think a christian is above....im christian, and i will do my job.
oh come on the only thing you leaned in school is that humans as a whole are self destructive. Please spare me the nonsense.
be realistic, theres no need to be retarted.
evryone learns the parts of speach, functions of words, defenitions, spelling, math, science, forein launguages like french and spanish, the list goes on.
And if not learning anything in school doesn't mean uneducated, than we don't have the same deffinition of uneducated.
your not born able to do algebra and geometry, you have to be tought it, and withought a colloge or university degree you can't get a decent job.
most full time jobs require at least a highschool diploma.
I suppose you'll just make a liveing selling drugs then?:rolleyes:
I hope this is not offensive and considered flameing.
no I wasn't talking about you. MydnightPsion .
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
oh come on the only thing you leaned in school is that humans as a whole are self destructive. Please spare me the nonsense.
be realistic, theres no need to be retarted.
He was saying that he can teach himself more than school can teach him. And for some people it's quite true that they can easily teach themselves things. I actually taught myself to read because i wanted to play video games that had scrolling text.
But there is a BIG difference between spending time in school and spending time in church. Because if you're a student christian you spend time doing BOTH. And since you seem so hellbent on pushing your beliefs upon everyone here i'm guessing you were a student christian. Thusly, your argument holds no water.
Another thing to ponder on is, do you have FUN at church? I goto church every other week about, and i for sure do not have fun. I dont hate it, sometime i enjoy the sermon and think that it's a really good message. But fun? no. And most things that people do in their spare times, if they're not related to making themselves a functioning member of society are intended to entertain them.
But if your going to say, most christians this, or most christians that, take into mind that your talking about Africans.
Yes.....that makes.....no sense atall..........
oh come on the only thing you leaned in school is that humans as a whole are self destructive. Please spare me the nonsense.
be realistic, theres no need to be retarted.
Dude, how the hell is that NOT flaming? :mad: You're really starting to annoy me here, man... :disaprove
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
oh come on the only thing you leaned in school is that humans as a whole are self destructive. Please spare me the nonsense.
be realistic, theres no need to be retarted.
evryone learns the parts of speach, functions of words, defenitions, spelling, math, science, forein launguages like french and spanish, the list goes on.
And if not learning anything in school doesn't mean uneducated, than we don't have the same deffinition of uneducated.
your not born able to do algebra and geometry, you have to be tought it, and withought a colloge or university degree you can't get a decent job.
most full time jobs require at least a highschool diploma.
I suppose you'll just make a liveing selling drugs then?:rolleyes:
I hope this is not offensive and considered flameing.
nonsense? retarted? you *insert worst insult that won't get me ban*. you little self righteous preppy holy crusader thought you were God's gift to the world flamer.
Anyone can learn the concepts of speech from listening to people talk. How do you think babies learn. Durrrrr...
Please, enlighten us. What does uneducated mean? Because for me uneducated is simply a word used by teachers used to insult students who don't try in that class and by callus *******s who have nothing better to do but talk about how they're better than everyone else.
Cant get a decent job without a diploma? how about the military? Durrrr...
Selling drugs? Oh you mean those things that I dont do anymore because one bad buzz lasted a bit too long? If need be, sure I'll sell drugs. What the hell if I'm gettin paid.
And yes, it is flaming.
edit: sorry, forgot I probably should pm'd this, eh?
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
oh come on the only thing you leaned in school is that humans as a whole are self destructive. Please spare me the nonsense.
be realistic, theres no need to be retarted.
evryone learns the parts of speach, functions of words, defenitions, spelling, math, science, forein launguages like french and spanish, the list goes on.
And if not learning anything in school doesn't mean uneducated, than we don't have the same deffinition of uneducated.
your not born able to do algebra and geometry, you have to be tought it, and withought a colloge or university degree you can't get a decent job.
most full time jobs require at least a highschool diploma.
I suppose you'll just make a liveing selling drugs then?:rolleyes:
I hope this is not offensive and considered flameing.
You're a fruit. I reckon one day you'll step out from under the shelter of your parents and into the real world, then maybe all your self righteous ideologies will shatter. Hopefully then you will be able to reformulate a realistic view of the world, one that isn't so self centered and ignorant.
But for now, go ahead and spout your nonsense. Get it out while you still can, when you're young enough to believe it and young enough not to get beat for it.
Boy do I love Senate Chambers now...If this stuff was still in the Swamp there would be nobody left...cause everyone would be sick of all this pointless bickering.
Mandalorian, I acknowledge your opinions, and I really don't think it was your fault. You came here wanted to start a discussion and it turned into a holy war. I think you might overstated and offended some people a little in your other thread and people (like MydnightPrison) just assumed you always carried around this ignorant, self-centered attitude.
I think everyone needs to broaden their perceptions and think about everyone's opinions before replying what comes to your mind first. Sure, Mandalorian may seem a little uninformed about some things, so why not try to inform him, in a nice, mature way? Why not state your opinions in a reasonable, logical, and polite way? Must I provide an example?!? Unless nobody can read, this forum is for discussion, not bickering and endless arguements that degrade this thread.
If you people are not mature enough to act your age, then I pity you...:rolleyes:
Where to begin where to begin
1. People can teach themselves stuff. You do not have to go to a HS or a university and get a degree to make something of yourself. My grandfather never graduated HS until he was 35 becuase he wanted to. He is now a retired multi multi multi millionare. My father does not have a single degree in computers (English and History) and he now makes about 85,000 as a web desiner for companies.
I myself learned practically nothing through HS. I took 2 years of French. 4 years latter all I know how to say is Ou a la fromage? which means where is the cheese? I don't even know if fromage is a M or F noun so that la might be a le. I went from a public to a private Christian school because the people in HS were STUPID. They knew nothing and I mean nothing. They at least kept going in hopes of getting that degree. When I went to the Christian school it was soooo easy. The only thing I learned was in Bible class because I didn't know everything from the Bible as opposed to the math book or chemistry or history.
The school I went to was a church and a school in one. School had less than 700 people k-12 and it just so happens that the pastor's daughter was in my graduating class. When we went on our Senior trip we all got in front of eachoerh (about 85 of us) and talked about whatever. She said, "I am just thankful that my great grandfather, grandfather, and father devoted their lives to Christ so I could be blessed unlike you all." This enraged most of us "poorer" people especially me because when my families income was 20,000 dollars (mother, sister, myself) and we were on government help we still tithed to bleach her damn blond hair. It was us who blessed her not her grand pappy (more to the story but I will continue).
2. Defenition of a Christian in most circles is one who accepts Jesus Christ into your heart as your personal savior. That is basically it. You don't even have to follow the Bible as long as you belive in this basic fact.
3. In regards to your African American comments about them being all Chrisitans the answer is quite simple. They have very little and the only thing they can hope for is something better in the next life. That is why blacks in America centuries ago turned to the white man's religion because they were all slaves, worked 18 hours a day, and could die at any time with no rights what so ever. The reason why the white man came to the America's was to be freed of religious persecution. He worked hard at "conquering" the land that their Lord had given them. Now with all our sciences and luxeries we don't rely on God as much as we used to because we feel we don't need him anymore to survive in this world.
4 Genesis 6:1-4
"When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the divine beings saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and they took wives from among those that pleased them. The Lord said, "My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years." It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth - when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown."
This comes from the beginning of Chapter 6 which as you can see talks about gods having sex with people. Some people belive these gods could be aliens.
5. Finally I noticed that you said you only believe in the Bible and what is in there. My question is, which I have pointed out many times before, is what exactly is the Bible? The Bible today is not what the Bible was years ago. A while ago a group of the most respected Bible scholars got together and went through all possile godly texts and determined whether they were in fact inspired by God or not. That is how we have the current Bible. Many famous spiritual leaders didn't have the same texts we have. Ever heard of Maccabees 1st or 2nd? What about The Prayer of Manasseh? The Widom of Solomon? Well I will tell you for a fact that many people for a long time believed in them and some still do. Apocrypha is only apocrypha now because of what some men said.
Whew that took a lot to say.
BigTeddyPaul
To close?
Or not to close?
The crowd decides.
Close it. This thread is Mandalorians excuse to insult anyone who he cant convince to be a christian.
He's got me pissed now. Damn...
I've said this before "and i'll say it again", the admins or whoever has the power should go and post a sticky thread at the top of the Senate Chambers. The sticky thread would speak of all the subjects which have been banned from the senate chambers because they provoke immature arguements and confrontation. Sure people have the right to freedom of speech, it just gets me sick when they overuse it to bash another person's philosphies..
Originally posted by C'jais
To close?
Or not to close?
The crowd decides.
I was sort of thinking that myself......
I read some insults by a few people earlier. Don't do it again, or i will ban you.
Have a nice day :)
Tempers were flaring. I'll take responsibility. But its true. Mandalorian does seem to use this to post his ideals on non-Christians and how heathinistic they are.
That and the forum got pretty much off topic reeeeeally quick...
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people (like MydnightPrison) just assumed you always carried around this ignorant, self-centered attitude.
A: Its Psion...
B: He is carrying that attitude. He believes that he's the ultimo-human and anyone disagreeing with him is ignorant or 'uneducated' as he posted before.
OK, he was a little pushy-wushy in his other thread, but he got bashed down there. So maybe he thought it through, and came back trying to start a legimate, mature topic, but found that he had already gained a reputation of being a "all-knowing ignorant superhuman."
All I'm saying is give everyone a chance to express themselves before bashing them. (this goes for everyone)
I mean, all he wanted to do was start a discussion on what everyone thinks a Christian is, and you start with this quote:
i say your beliefs are gonna get you alot of hardships. especially since your saying we all hafta be like you and you other christians
I mean, he didn't really push anyone in his first post, he just wanted to start a discussion, and here you are flaming him. IMO, you should treat every thread as seperate from others, with the attitude and reputation of the person being determined by what THEY say in that particular thread. Dont carry hate around, it gets too heavy with time...
*edit* Oh ya and MP sorry for the misspelling of your name, it was late at night and I just glanced at your name, thought it said MidNightPrison...my bad :o
all right I won't use the word retarted in a name calling way, sory I didn't know people could get offended so easily, it was acctually inteded in more of as playfull tease than a flam.
I'm not even offended by what I got back in return, if that's a holy war then I have hell on earth evry day with my brothers.
nuff of this flaming though I don't want this thread to get locked.
educated(meaning having been tought stuff, in the simplest words I can think of)
I would compare someone who has gone to school and hence educated to some one who is self taught like:
an Indian over in North America(uneducated) to an English settler.
in the 1600s-1700s time span.
is this a simple enough example. I'm kinda starting to forget where we started cuz it's just gone nowhere verry fast.
And I don't think I'm an all knowing anything.:rolleyes:
And I can't remember how the whole Psion being ignorant thing started.
But it's not cuz you disagree with me. I find it hard to believe how you came up with that, but I don't want twenty people expalaing in there own words how Psion came up with it. I wouldn't mind Psion explaining it himself, but I don't really care it's not that important.
Let's solve this and cool down shall we, are there any more problems which need to be resolved?
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
an Indian over in North America(uneducated) to an English settler.
in the 1600s-1700s time span.
Umm what? I didn't get that.
It depends on what you mean by educated and uneducated. The Indians were educated in what they needed to be. They knew their land, they knew how to make medecine, they had their own religion, they were farmers and hunters. I don't get what more they needed to be educated about? Also why were settlers so educated? They made boats and maps and stuff but that was only because they wanted wealth and land. The Indians had no need for this and therefore didn't spend time into inventing HUGE boats.
It all depends on what education you would prefer.
BigTeddyPaul
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
so if you could you would live on the street without an education unable to get a job and afford a home or a car?
Being uneducated does not mean you will be without work and without money, and vice versa.
We have a friend of the family who barely has a high school education and he is really really rich. He doesn't even need a high shcool education for his job...he grows grass. He has a turf farm and he's supplied turf to places like Mile High Stadium (where the Colorado Rockies play) and Mile High Field.
There are also people who go to college, get their degree, but they end up in a very competitive field and can't get a job.
And you can always get a job without a high school education. It probably won't be a GREAT job, but somebody always needs people for crappy jobs.
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Being uneducated does not mean you will be without work and without money, and vice versa.
We have a friend of the family who barely has a high school education and he is really really rich. He doesn't even need a high shcool education for his job...he grows grass. He has a turf farm and he's supplied turf to places like Mile High Stadium (where the Colorado Rockies play) and Mile High Field.
There are also people who go to college, get their degree, but they end up in a very competitive field and can't get a job.
And you can always get a job without a high school education. It probably won't be a GREAT job, but somebody always needs people for crappy jobs.
Preach it borther. Goes back to my grandfather never completed HS until much later, went into the pest control business, ran a successful business for years, and is now a retired multi multi millionare. My father has degrees in history and english but is a web designer who has NEVER taken a class in web designing. He is self taught and is good at it.
I wonder what type of degree it takes to run the zamboni at the Pepsi Arena (it is Pepsi that the Avs play at right?).
BigTeddyPaul
Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul
I wonder what type of degree it takes to run the zamboni at the Pepsi Arena (it is Pepsi that the Avs play at right?).
BigTeddyPaul
It's the Pepsi Center, but close enough....;)
I also wonder how much a zamboni driver gets paid.....i would like that job, just so i could drive the zamboni...that would be freakin neat.
I see we all have very different oppionons on what educated means, so can we drop that subject?
Let's get back to the topic, what does it mean to be a Christian?
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
what does it mean to be a Christian?
Ummmm......to believe in Christ?
That is the first step. Buddhists believe that Jesus existed but not that he is God's child. He is more of a prophet to most other religions if they recognize him at all.
If I am wrong about the Buddhist part please say so. I am not learned enough in the subject to always be 100% right about it.
BigTeddyPaul
Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul
That is the first step. Buddhists believe that Jesus existed but not that he is God's child. He is more of a prophet to most other religions if they recognize him at all.
If I am wrong about the Buddhist part please say so. I am not learned enough in the subject to always be 100% right about it.
BigTeddyPaul
well you better GET learned enought to be 100% right ALL the time......i EXPECT it of you!!!!!:p
Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul
That is the first step. Buddhists believe that Jesus existed but not that he is God's child. He is more of a prophet to most other religions if they recognize him at all.
How I understood Buddhism, was that they do acknowledge gods, but they regard an eternity in heaven as something pointless.
The goal is to reach Nirvana, not indulge yourself by the side of your god. You must break the cycle of reincarnation, not make it stand still.
BTW, I think it was (Paul) who adressed something about Buddhists trying not to have desires. The way I understood it, while they view desires as harm in itself, they're also aware of how impossible it is to live without desires, so they strive to avoid harmful desires. The moment a desire becomes harmful to another person (don't ask me how they judge that), is the moment they'll try to quench it.
I could be wrong, though.
-C'
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
What about those people that risk their lives trying to spread a message that they believe in?
Yeees, what about them? Well in any other profession they'd be called 'frauds' at the toss of a hand, for not being able to procure any kind of documentation for their beliefs. One of the things that really pisses me off about religion is that it seems to grant immunity to such accusations, no matter how valid they are.
If someone posts an article in a Physics journal that's full of mumbo-jumbo that's utterly undocumentable, he gets loads of flak from his colleagues.
If someone does the same in a Theology journal, he gets the fullest appreciation from his peers (if he said the 'right' things, if he said something that goes against the doctrine, he'd get flakked, regardless of the documentation he could supply).
The rules of rationalism and logic prohibit belief. If people would just stick to those, there would be rather fewer wars, famines, ect.
Originally posted by ShadowTemplar
there would be rather fewer wars, famines, ect.
Fewer famines? Isn't a famine caused by lack of rainfall or some other needed natural event? I don't see how no religion would help get rid of famines......
But you do have a point about less wars. The people over there in the middle-east have been at eachother's throats because they think their beliefs are better.
Osama Ben Laden's crew believes they will get into Heaven by killing christians.
No need to say more, religion does play an important part in many conflicts.
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Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
What about those people that risk their lives trying to spread a message that they believe in?
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Yeees, what about them? Well in any other profession they'd be called 'frauds' at the toss of a hand, for not being able to procure any kind of documentation for their beliefs. One of the things that really pisses me off about religion is that it seems to grant immunity to such accusations, no matter how valid they are.
If someone posts an article in a Physics journal that's full of mumbo-jumbo that's utterly undocumentable, he gets loads of flak from his colleagues.
If someone does the same in a Theology journal, he gets the fullest appreciation from his peers (if he said the 'right' things, if he said something that goes against the doctrine, he'd get flakked, regardless of the documentation he could supply).
The rules of rationalism and logic prohibit belief. If people would just stick to those, there would be rather fewer wars, famines, ect.
"Yeees, what about them? Well in any other profession they'd be called 'frauds' at the toss of a hand, for not being able to procure any kind of documentation for their beliefs. One of the things that really pisses me off about religion is that it seems to grant immunity to such accusations, no matter how valid they are."
not neccisarily, it depends on the individual case.
And Bible scolars have much historical and scientific proof.
there is more proof that the world is so complex it could not exist by any means other than the creation by a GOD.
then that the world was created by the collision of meteors one of which had a cell on it, and the creation of civilization.
nevermind the unexplainable problem of where the first cell, meteor's, or starts came form.
No evolutionist has any grounds to claim that anything about evolution has any proof.
this they will admit. At least the ones that get paid to be evolutionists.
mabee some of the children who are convinced it is true because thier teacher at school said so in a convincing way and they are unable to see through those week statements.
The above is a very strong challenge. Go ahead and claim you have proof because of carbond dating(which was proven false more times then has been counted) or whatever "scientific" theorys you use. But I know it is not FACT. There is not FACT when it comes to evolution.
Only the infinitely imposible posibuility. which is ridiculouse. The only reason given me by evolutionists for thier beliefs is that they don't want to believe That they have to live thier lives by rules.
And if that's the case, just believe nothing. What's the point of believing evolution?
it's science all right, Schience Fiction!!!
Do you type with your nose?
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
[Bnot neccisarily, it depends on the individual case.
And Bible scolars have much historical and scientific proof.
there is more proof that the world is so complex it could not exist by any means other than the creation by a GOD.
then that the world was created by the collision of meteors one of which had a cell on it, and the creation of civilization.
nevermind the unexplainable problem of where the first cell, meteor's, or starts came form.
No evolutionist has any grounds to claim that anything about evolution has any proof.
this they will admit. At least the ones that get paid to be evolutionists.
mabee some of the children who are convinced it is true because thier teacher at school said so in a convincing way and they are unable to see through those week statements.
The above is a very strong challenge. Go ahead and claim you have proof because of carbond dating(which was proven false more times then has been counted) or whatever "scientific" theorys you use. But I know it is not FACT. There is not FACT when it comes to evolution.
Only the infinitely imposible posibuility. which is ridiculouse. The only reason given me by evolutionists for thier beliefs is that they don't want to believe That they have to live thier lives by rules.
And if that's the case, just believe nothing. What's the point of believing evolution?
it's science all right, Schience Fiction!!! [/B]
I am posting words you do not know who to spell:
1. Science
2. Impossible
3. Possibility
4. Ridiculous
5. Theories
6. Carbon
7. Their
8. Scholars
9. Necessarily
10. Maybe
11. Stars
Your nose. Funny man.
Where is your studies that show that science has proven that it is more likely some "thing" created life and the earth etc as opposed to meteors and starts.
If no one has any evolutionary cause to believe in evolution then why do we have tailbones? So far they have been proven to do nothing but sideline my high school quarterback for his junior year. Why are there so many variations of insects and plants? Could it be they adapted and evolved?
Maybe your teacher claimed at your school or church that there is no way that evolution can take place and you believed him based on weak evidence.
Carbon dating is not 100% accurate but it is the best way to determine how old something is around as far as I know.
"Only the infinitely imposible posibuility. which is ridiculouse."
You mean like believing in a God who created everything because he told mortals and they wrote it down?
"The only reason given me by evolutionists for thier beliefs is that they don't want to believe That they have to live thier lives by rules."
What the hell are you talking about? What rules? Humans are natuarlly curious and try to prove something and if there was something that proved evolution takes place I would want to know about it.
Again good points.
BigTeddyPaul
Originally posted by obi-wan13
Fewer famines? Isn't a famine caused by lack of rainfall or some other needed natural event? I don't see how no religion would help get rid of famines......
Aah. Famine. An ever interesting topic that almost deserves a thread of its own. But the short answer is no. Famine is often a symptom, rather than the actual problem (well, it is a problem, mind, just not the problem). The actual problem could be underdevelopment, poor infrastructure, and just about any other problem of governing. But most often it is due to overpopulation.
Many developing countries have problems with famines and overpopulation. The two are linked, and so in most places, even where disaster has not already struck, regional government tries to amend the overpopulation problem. Part of this is reducing the birth rate. And what do you think stands in the way of that? Right in one: Religion.
China, which sensibly has abolished religion (though that's possibly the only sensible thing they've done), is infact the only developing country that doesn't have issues with local religious leaders over the issue of birth control (there might be a few other countries aswell, but you get the picture).
So I think that it is fair to say that religion causes famine.
Madnelorian: In case you need to be reminded of the facts, we have an entire thread dedicated to gunning down such pathetic boasts... (
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89510&perpage=40&pagenumber=1)
Now it's been a while since I've read the entire thread, but there are 8 pages, and your arguements are typical of people who don't even have a clue as to what evolution is, so there's a fairly great probability that you'll find your answers there... Unless you decide to keep ranting on regardless of the facts.
Originally posted by ShadowTemplar
So I think that it is fair to say that religion causes famine.
Ah, good explanation. ;)
But if a religious person, (probably a Christian) prays to God for rain, rain will come, because God is a loving and powerful God!
Originally posted by Izzy
But if a religious person, (probably a Christian) prays to God for rain, rain will come, because God is a loving and powerful God!
Rain will come because of conensation, atmospheric thing-a-ma-bobs, and other stuff which I don't know because I know next to nothing about this. (Sun-->heat-->wind + geographical elements--> vapor --> cloud absorbtion-->something else--> rain.
Don't tempt God. God has the power to say yes and no just like us. One of the temptations that the Devil used against Jesus was to jump off a high place and the angels would save Him.
If I pray for the Blues to win the Stanley Cup and ET Warrior prays for the Avs to win does that mean that God does not love me or chooses to ignore me or we have different gods or what. Your statement is flawed.
BigTeddyPaul
I have a feeling he was joking.... :confused:
I see your point BigTeddyPaul.
But I am talking about a black african woman in a drought stricken area. She would not be tempting God in any way, she would be asking for water to survive, and it is no wrong to ask God for things, is it? If this women lives for God and believes in him, he will most probably send rain. He will set your long complex cycle going so rain will reach the black women who asked from her heart some water so she (and possibly family) can survive.
Originally posted by Izzy
I see your point BigTeddyPaul.
But I am talking about a black african woman in a drought stricken area. She would not be tempting God in any way, she would be asking for water to survive, and it is no wrong to ask God for things, is it? If this women lives for God and believes in him, he will most probably send rain. He will set your long complex cycle going so rain will reach the black women who asked from her heart some water so she (and possibly family) can survive.
But at the same time, that complex rain cycle which God apparenly sets in motion all by himself, will ensure that a draught will occur in India. Over there, it'll kill around a 100 kids a month.
Now, are Indians lesser humans to God? Or is it because they're not Christians?
Either way, this is a horrible solution, and only proves why prayer can't work.