Originally posted by ZBomber
Well if you think about it.....

Anyway, wouldn't you want to lose your virginity to the person you want to spend the rest of your life with? true, there are a lot of different circumstances in which what i said would be false...i think it more or less applies to casual sex.

Originally posted by gonk-raider
Talk about over romanticising:rolleyes: Kids these days... tell me sir if you found her body before the cops came.. would you have banged her corpes?? you know.. for old times sake?

I am 28 years old, and judging from the quality of your last few posts, you may want to re-ask yourself who the "kid" really is here.

If you want to argue, at least demonstrate some form of intelligence to your post, and use a little disgression before posting distasteful remarks such as this. In the future you will feel better about this, and won't have to continue to look stupid on the message boards.

Your welcome.

gonk-raider
Banned
Status: Banned


I was typing a message to the moderators before I noticed they already banned him.
What will happen to his points?

I think they should go to Darth Groovy.

Originally posted by griff38
What will happen to his points?

I think they should go to Darth Groovy.

LOL!

Kill him and take his stuff...

Originally posted by C'jais
LOL!

Kill him and take his stuff...

:lol: Even I am not that harsh.....:p

if you just want the pleasure, there are alternatives... *warning on link* alternative ways... (http://www.ifyoureallywanttoknowandareover18Ihavenowaytos) topyoufromPMingXERXESbutIcantletthisstayheresorry. com) :dunno:

Originally posted by XERXES
if you just want the pleasure, there are alternatives... *warning on link* alternative ways... (http://www.SWARDED!.com/) :dunno: eepy thats creepy. id rather get the stuff myself thank you.

Originally posted by InsaneSith
eepy thats creepy. id rather get the stuff myself thank you. some people cant, dont have the self confidince to find women. its true.

Sex is what you put into it. If you say that itґs very sinful unless itґs done in marriage then thatґs that. Youґd feel bad about it if you did it in any other situation.
I think thatґs a waste of time and energy to think of it as sinful as it is of no use. You only deny yourself a lot of fun, like Luc Solar said.
To have romantic illusions about virginity isnґt productive either. In the stone age the avarage time for a relationship to last was 4 years with 1 kid, but increased as more kids were produced. Humans arenґt meant to be together more than that. Evolution says so ;)

OK guys.....!

lets not go NUTS here, or anything...

i'll admit, on the scale of things its not TOO dirty, but geez... you know the rules.

SWARDED!:D

Originally posted by SPY_jmr1
SWARDED!:D

:rofl:
What, this the only place we can talk about you-know-what on LF. :D

Originally posted by ZBomber
:rofl:
What, this the only place we can talk about you-know-what on LF. :D too bad i cant't tell my stories in here isnt it z?

Originally posted by ZBomber
:rofl:
What, this the only place we can talk about you-know-what on LF. :D

Nope.

i am 16, an a virgin i am waiting for the right gurl not marriage i am just waiting for the right one but their alot of gurls in my school that our sluts, i mean they arent worth having sex i mean their is hardly any no girls i mean i hope to find someoen soon cause i want to lose it soon

I don't know, I'm not gonna make a big deal out of it when it happens to me, if it happens, it happens, it's just something in your life that you can move on from. It's not a huge deal. It's good to be with the right girl, but if you weren't you have no reason to regret it really, unless you got an STD.

And Gonk Raider, that was possibly one of the rudest and cruelest posts I have ever read. I sincerely hope that you can never post on these forums again, because I don't want to hear your mindless disgusting posts ever again.

Originally posted by amadeus
And Gonk Raider, that was possibly one of the rudest and cruelest posts I have ever read. I sincerely hope that you can never post on these forums again, because I don't want to hear your mindless disgusting posts ever again.


I'd like to point out that his post was B.S. (Before Skin) I made as slight adjustment for the good of the thread. Particularly since the thread was revived by Gonk-Raider.

Gonk, be nice or I will request you be banned. Again.

As I see it, sex is an adult activity (not kid or teenager), and like all adult activities, it entails responsibility.

Irresponsible sexual behavior does as much damage to society as other reckless behavior like drunk driving.


Thus I think people should learn as much as they can from reliable sources and make their decisions that way. They shouldn't rush into sex and shouldn't do it until they're ready.

And they should practice monogamy, not promiscuity.

I know plenty of people on this board will probably say that I'm a prude, blah blah blah, but I see the purpose and benefit of marriage as being an institution for mongamy... to limit the spread of STD's and to provide loving homes for children with two role models male and female.

That's the ideal, and it doesn't always work out that way, but I think that's more beneficial than just a bunch of kids acting like bunnies to get their kicks.

So yes, I'm in favor of responsible sex ed in schools, parents teaching their kids sexual morality, etc and people being responsible. And contraception (though I am against abortion) for those who feel it is moral to do so, but people shouldn't use that as a crutch, because no contraceptive method is 100% reliable and there are side effects to just about every method.


So yeah, if you're a virgin, more power to you, you don't need to have sex to "fit in" with anybody. It's a very personal choice that shouldn't be taken lightly. When in doubt, don't do it.

And if you're not a virgin, you can still practice abstinence (what they used to call chastity) and have a meaningful relationship until you're ready for the responsibility.

If you end up having sex or never have sex, you can still be a good person. It just depends on what you do with that choice.

In my opinion the vast majority (probably all) people under 18 aren't ready for sex. And many of those 18 and older probably aren't either. Heck.. nobody's perfect, but a lot of people you wonder how they can get away with it... sort of like all the people who drive cars now that shouldn't.... but that's another rant.

odds are she will get married and have sex with her husband. Since he originally had sex with her it would be like sleeping with another man's wife

Dont kiss your girlfriend. Because she will probably break up with you(or vise versa) and then she'll kiss with her boyfriend. So it'd be like you kissed a man's girlfriend. Same thing with holding her hand and hugging her. Would you dance with your best friend's girlfriend? So dont dance with your girlfriend, unless you're married to her.

You can kinda see where I'm going with that logic, right? But I still think teens shouldnt have sex(I mean, <20 shouldnt). Too darn unresponsible to handle the possible consquences.

Humans arenґt meant to be together more than that. Evolution says so

Evidence?

The average lifespan of a marriage in the US is supposed to be about 10 years (goes way down for second and third marriages).

Though plenty of people stay married a lot longer than that, and believe it or not, many of those are totally faithful.

And besides, even if true, that doesn't mean we need to start basing our standards off of stone age peoples.

Maybe we should start living in caves and bonking each other with clubs again too! (no offense to any stone age time traveling cavemen using stolen alien technology or weird magic rituals reading this).


PS: Somebody made a comment on page one about how marriage has no point and that to marry you're "supporting Christianity." That's nonesense.

People who are non-Christian get married all the time. When you get married, you can get married in a "civil union" before a Justice of the Peace (judge) all you need is two witnesses. Now it's not very romantic, but it's totally secular. Or you can get married in a Christian church by an ordained (or lay, depending on the denomination) minister, or you can get married in a synagouge, or a mosque, etc (do you honestly think Muslims and Jews get married in Christian churches??), etc.

Every religious group has their own spin on marriage (except for groups that forbid marriage I suppose). For example Gene Roddenberry (creator of Star Trek to non-geeks) and his second wife got married in a Shinto/Buddhist ceremony (they were vacationing in Japan and both humanist agnostics).

While its true a lot of people "live together" (cohabitation) rather than get married or before marriage. The key thing here is committment. If you're just living with somebody, it's often hard to think of it more than just a roommate whom you have casual sex with (not saying everybody, just for instance), whereas with marriage you've already invested time and money into it, made official vows before the public, had support of family and friends, etc. They're "only words" sure, but you're taking the next step towards committment.

Now you might say (and this is legit) marriage is so expensive! We can't afford it! Well, you can always have a small wedding, even a super cheap one (invite a few friends over to the judge's).

Statistically people who live together before marriage (or don't get married at all) are more likely to break up than people who get married. Obviously not all marriages are happy ones, but you can't expect any relationship to be perfect, simply because people are not perfect. That's why they often have the lines in vows about "in sickness and in health, in good times and bad times, for rich or for poor.." etc. people are admitting up front they know that it's not going to all be wine and roses, but they're prepared to meet the challenges together.

I know I may sound cheesy, or old-fashioned, but i truly believe that virginity is a very special thing. I personally believe that since it is something you only have once, that it should only be given away to someone you really love (i.e. a spouse...as in MARRIAGE). If you love someone enough to have sex with that person then you should love them enough to marry them.

That's just my two cents, though.

imho...marriage should be something to prove your true love with eachother, and after marriage, sex. That's how it was meant to be imho. Sex was supposed to be something "special" for someone who stepped into the realm of marriage. These days, people just forget the morals and standards and jump in to have pleasure.

The people who just have sex all the time really took away the whole point. Honestly, what is the point of sex now...to have "fun". Sex was supposed to be a serious thing, and now it's taken lightly, and marriage isnt even in the picture 90% of the time.

Well, really, isn't it fun? I think it's pretty fun.

Why make something serious out of it? I mean, it is serious, but not as serious as many seem to make of it.

If you feel sex is a serious thing that should only ever be done between two people deeply in love and getting married, then fine. But dont look down on people who simply want to do it for a good time. It's not like they're hurting anyone (at least, not if it's done right).

While virginity may be important (it's the "starting point" for a sexual life after all) I think "chastity" is more important, since its a long term thing that applies to everyone.

A person should regulate their own sexual activity in such a way as not to harm themselves or society. This is part of responsibility one takes on as an adult.

Thus I feel that children having sexual intercourse isn't a good idea, since they simply don't have the maturity to deal with it. Thus laws on statutory rape and against child pornography are prudent measures to discourage this kind of abuse.

We don't let little kids drive cars or get drunk legally after all, at least not in my country.

If you feel sex is a serious thing that should only ever be done between two people deeply in love and getting married, then fine. But dont look down on people who simply want to do it for a good time. It's not like they're hurting anyone (at least, not if it's done right).

See, that's the thing. I'm not saying everybody who has sex outside of marriage is "hurting anyone" but sadly a large number of them are.

It's similar to the people who get drunk on purpose. Sure some of them "aren't hurting anyone" but a large number of them are.


In the case of casual sex, with less commitment, there is an increased chance that they will be promiscous (even just having two sexual partners each could be a problem). That means increased chances of spreading STD's, increased "unplanned pregnancies" (which could to abortions) etc.

Now I'm not saying all marriages are perfect. Obviously there are people who are abusive to their spouses and people who cheat on their spouses. And there may very well be people who live together and never get married and have a faithful and loving life that's supportive of children. Etc.

But the fact is, the more people are promiscious the more problems get spread around.

If two people are married and one has an STD, at worst they will give their spouse the STD (thanks dear! ; P ). If you have casual sex you risk spreading it to every partner you have. And who's to say people having casual sex will have the same level of intimacy about each other's health and honesty and openness to let them know (sorry I can't do the nasty with you, I've got genital herpes!).

With a built-in committment for marriage, it acts (or is supposed to act) as a safeguard against those problems, especially with pregnancies.

While it's true in today's world women are working and making money (in ages past women might be left totally out in the cold if they were pregnant and didn't have a husband to protect and support them), but statistically even in the wealthiest nation on earth (the US) women make less than men. Also isn't it better to have a loving parent take care of the children rather than some minimum wage daycare worker (who could often care less and has other kids to worry about)?

Anyway, not to get too long winded, but there you go.

Also there's the problem of hurt feelings. If two people are married, there is the understanding that they at least (at the start) intend to spend the rest of their lives with that person and try to remain faithful.

With casual sex, the minimum expectation is that they'll have sex. Granted, it may be more than that, but there's less guarentees of committment long term, especially of the consequences of that sexual encounter. Hence the "one night stand" problem.

Vows are only as good as the people that make them, but the fact is, marriage is designed to limit the problems associated with casual sex, so all irresponsible sexual activity does is dodge those safeguards and create more problems.

Prostitution is another example of sexuality being abused. Sure, the prostitutes are getting money out of the deal, but again you have STD spreading, unplanned pregnancies/abortions, not to mention the illegal nature of the sex trade (with ties to drug abuse, abuse of prostitutes by their clients and pimps, underage prostitution, taking advantage of homeless or poor people, etc).

Some may say that people can only "learn" to have sex by having sex, but isn't that what marriage is about? Learning about each other together? Why can't people do that? Or do they have to have a few flings before they get married? (Never understood that logic personally, but I hear it all the time... usually with the double standard applied that this is natural for men but women who do this are considered "sluts" and therefore undesirable except to be used by men).

And adultery is just as irresponsible as casual sex. Again, if you have a partner who has been faithful, they'll have to suffer from the consequences of their partner being unfaithful and spreading STD's to them, having other children with other partner's, creating jealousy and resentment if they ever find out, etc.

I think this applies equally to men and women. People need to take responsibility for their actions, get informed and plan ahead, not simply treat sex as something that's just "for fun" that has no consequences and requires no forethought.

Again, like the drinking/driving analogy, both are activities I have nothing against, but both are widely abused and result in all kinds of problems for society because people are either improperly informed or they take those responsibilities too lightly. And the people who choose not to engage in those activities, well, more power to them. ; )

This topic is interesting.

Recently, one of my friends asked me if I wanted to marry his cousin (for citizenship reasons). He was being serious, I could if I want to, but if I did I don't think I would even sleep with her. Because it wouldn't really mean anything.

The moral for this one is that even if I am married, I still wouldn't neccessarily feel compelled to sleep with her since I wouldn't really have any feelings for her.

virginity is incredibly important until you loose it, at which point you realise that it is completely irrelevant and you would have been much happier if you hadn't worried about it.