Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Hussain wants to be like Hitler.
How do you know? Perhaps he wants to be like Gengis Khan or Andrew Jackson.
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
For the most part I see a lot of US bashing from people in other countries on here and when it all adds up you don't like the US because of your own countries "propaganda".
Man, I'm with ya bubba! I'm glad we don't have that propaganda problem here in the USA! To all you foreigners: Nyaaa! Put that in your pipe and smoke it! [/facetious mode]
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
Lets a terrorist fly a plain into one your large buildings and see how your countries react... Assuming you are in counties that can build large buildings that is.
Kind of an ethnocentric remark, eh? I could say that with your spelling, it's a wonder ours is a country that can manage to build tall buildings. Perhaps we contract that engineering stuff out to smart Indian dudes. But I won't say all of that.
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
As for the people here who are against the US Hope you don't live next to any large sky scrapers because the terrorist don't care if your for or against your country they just want to kill you because your an American, because of the "propaganda" they are led to beleave.
The amazing thing is, that you really aren't far off in the sentiment in your last sentance. What we have to understand is that the "propaganda" has it's source in the ethnocentric attitudes that we Americans tend to have. We tend to impose our way of living and our beliefs upon the rest of the world, or we assume that the rest of the world is wrong for believing differently. Of course people hate us.
Originally posted by SkinWalker
What we have to understand is that the "propaganda" has it's source in the ethnocentric attitudes that we Americans tend to have. We tend to impose our way of living and our beliefs upon the rest of the world, or we assume that the rest of the world is wrong for believing differently. Of course people hate us. yup. i for one dont get why people (american people) say that other countries hate us becuase of our freedom... actually i think that they hate us because we push our living style down their throat and if they rebel then we declare war on them saying they are terrorists. ****in pigs run our (U.S) government.
Originally posted by ET Warrior
If being brave requires leaving a tryrannical dictator in power where he can eventually get or perhaps already has access to WOMD's, then I hope the US is full of cowards.
i dont get it. you cant fight back against a guy at school who hits you, because it takes a braver man to not fight back(thats what parents say) yet when something happens to the countries "integrity" we have to declare war on all who'm we hate and can easily prey on. its the bully system we get picked on by someone we cant attack we find the next best thing, a smaller, weaker yet similar person (in this case Iraq)
An interesting and valid point...yet i dont see it's significance related to my post.....I'm not talking about Saddam Hussein attacking us, or anyone attacking us... I'm talking about removing him to prevent the slaughter of innocents by his hands. Everyone will say it takes the bigger man to step in and stop the bully who is beating up the defenseless little guy..........
And yes, i agree that the United States is also a pretty big bully. We've made mistakes. So has everyone, let it go.
Hmmm "SkinWalker" if you want to start talking about how the US has treated Native Americans. You're barking up the wrong tree. My mother was Cherokee. For a long time growing up I was disgruntle towards America for the past, but I grew up ;)
I recognize the past is the past not the present. Things have changed. When my mother went to school she was teased. When I went to school it was cool to say you were native American in some way or another lol I don't know about you however.....
If by the picture your are implying you were in he military. Hmm so you are a hypocrite. Why serve a country you hate ?
I have been in the military as well. In fact if America goes to war I most likely will get recalled back into service. I did a recall in Jan. were they told me to watch for the orders just incase. So if anything I stand to be effected most by a war in Iraq. I like where I am and my life at the moment.
If it needs doing and I'm needed to help do it. It will be done.
SIMPER FI :D
Originally posted by SkinWalker
Kind of an ethnocentric remark, eh? I could say that with your spelling,
As for the cheep shot on my spelling that is kinda silly. I'm not willing to invest more time in this debate trying to fined your typos or the grammar errors of others. I would be here for the next few years. That's just silly. My former College English Professor has a PhD in English Lit. She was also born a raised in England and she still made mistakes "so I can too". Seem you have a lot of time on your hands to make such a fuss on my posts. I must have made a mark.......
Were you in the army? Now that I think about your posts read like a army guy's writing.
Anyway "ET Warrior" how are the Avalanche doing :D
Originally posted by ET Warrior
I'm talking about removing him to prevent the slaughter of innocents by his hands.
Then where will it end? There are many nations in the world with tyrants and dictators. There are many so-called democratic nations that violate human rights and murder their own people. Where does the U.S. government draw the line? Why does one group of people deserve salvation yet others do not? Why did we not "finish the job" with Somalia instead of pulling out with our collective tails between our legs?
The point of this thread is that it isn't he human suffering in Iraq that is motivating the invasion of a nation. It isn't the threat (real or imagined) that Iraq poses against the U.S. There is NO threat. I challenge anyone to offer any verifiable threat to United States soil by Iraq.
The real reason for invading Iraq is to secure their oil production and prevent OPEC from fully backing the oil market with the Euro instead of the dollar. The plans are already laid in to rebuild an oil industry (
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2003/b03132003_bt116-03.html) that has yet to be destroyed.
I don't mind squashing an idiot like Saddam... we should've done it in '91, but again... the stability of the oil industry was at stake. At that time, the Euro was barely a concept. A chaotic Iraq (Kurds, Shiites, et al) would have had lasting effects on one of the world's largest oil fields.
I do mind trampling the reputation of my country. That's what the Bush administration is doing. The majority of the world is against us. The good will directed toward us from 9/11 is squandered and Bush has the audacity to bring up that date in his quest for power and glory, trampling the honor of those lost there.
Let me be clear. I do not support a war directed toward Iraq based on the reasons given. I was in the first Gulf War. I served proudly in the 2nd Armored Div (Patton's Division) and supported the 2nd Marine Division with counter battery artillery.
I do, however, offer my FULL support of the troops involved in the current invasion, regardless of their nationality or their branch of service. Semper Fi, Hell on Wheels.
-Jack, you aren't qualified to rate my sentiment toward our country. You don't know me... I don't know you. I would not presume whether you hate or love.... just so you know, "hate" is not a word that enters my vocabulary very often. As I'm sure you were probably 12 or 13 during the first Gulf War, I can safely assume that you went into the Marines for a brief stint. I retired from the US Army and spent nearly two decades serving my country with duty, honor and loyalty.
It is my loyalty to my country that makes me speak out against what I see as wrong. Not hatred. It is my love for my flag that wishes to see it's reputation preserved. Not my hatred. It is the honor I owe the men I served with and the warriors I killed in battle that makes me want peace in lieu of war becuase it is realistic.
When you step into this thread and speak harshly to my friends, most of whom are not of our country, then I find it dishonorable. I do not think it is fair that they see only the loud, ignorant, and closed-minded representatives (not that you are any or all of these) of my country without my chiming in and demonstrating that some of us actually see through the media propaganda within our borders. Some of us actually see past the hard-line republican retoric.
Make no mistake: I am a warrior first. If they were to begin calling up retirees, I would be the first in line to go serve my country. Regardless of my sentiment to why I was there. That, son, is what loyalty is about. That is what America is about. Speaking our mind, but doing our duty.
Semper Fi and good luck to you if you're called up.
Originally posted by Luc Solar
Hitler's middle name is Habib just like Saddam's!!
They both prefer wearing boxers!?!
Hitler was born on the 4th of January whereas Saddam was born on the 1st of April! 1 and 4, 4 and 1 - coincidence??? I DON'T THINK SO! :rolleyes:
And if you add the last two digits of Saddam's year of birth to the number of days Hitler was waging war you get a total of 666!
And they both drink their coffee black!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
OMG-OMG HOW 'BOUT THAT! Now me surely must kill all Iraqi people! Let'z go! Who's with me??
Smart ass. I love that about you.
I only read the first page and looked at the second and I am going to assume I read it. We are going to war. Bush has planned this since day 1. He is trying to get as much support as possible but isn't getting it. American journalism sucks the big one. What will happen? I don't know but I am pretty sure this time Saddam will not stay in power if we do go to war. If he does then the next "Bush" will just see it his duty to take out Hussein or his line. I am tired. It is 3:30 AM. Night all.
BigTeddyPaul
Originally posted by SkinWalker
Semper Fi and good luck to you if you're called up.
This has nothing to do with the thread and more to do with that quote. I remember 9/11 as much as every other American did. I woke up at 6 AM because I was going with my mother to her work (7th grade home economics teacher) to use her internet because we did not have it at our house yet. I turned on my TV and saw on all the channels what had happened and was shocked. When we reached her school at 10:00 AM (2nd period) there was a TV showing the people jumping and the buildings collapsing. All the kids in the class were whooping and hollering and laughing and all I could think about was how much of a disgrace it would be if I was recruited and died for them because they think it was a joke. I honestly almost felt like crying because of the lack of respect they showed at the people's lives who were being affected. What was worse was that I had just turned 18 two weeks before this event and was already in college so I knew if this thing turned ugly there was always a chance things could happen.
Just my little story of one of the reasons I decided not to join the Air Force.
Braveheart: I ain't dying for these bastards.
BigTeddyPaul
Well I'm going to give up on trying to convince all of you Hussein is a bad guy. It seems you all have a fern knowledge that he is lol.....For what ever reasons are for a war with Iraq oil, revenge, or human suffering. It is really irrelevant.
The guy needs to be taken out of power. I already know that the US made the man in the beginning. I already know about the Iran Contra Affair. So for the most you can sa yeah he is a our "Monster". So for that much he is our "Problem" we made him we need to fix him. If the terrorist and Iraq hate each other why would they attack us if we attack Iraq.
I know that a lot of negative sentiment in the middle east comes from the fact we don't do anything. We just buy Oil and defend Israel. We make all the countries dictators richer while they make there people poorer.
We should go dictator hopping go around the world and take these bastards out, but most of them already have nukes or have armies twice the size of ours. Not to mention the support of more powerful countries. :lurkblast
They see the US as the cause of there problems even though we don't interfere as much as people think. They see it as that. So as for Iraq they don't care if he is bad or good they just look at the US as BULLY. I did watch CNN; however, and they showed where at a Middle East Conference the Prime minister of Kuwait asked Hussein to step down. So we do have support if only from the country we rescued.
For the most part my final argument is this. Before I go to work.
Hussein is a bad guy lol He needs to be removed. If I was living in a country with a dictator like him, and I knew it was going to be invaded to take him out. I don't care why. Offcouse they don't know that. Hussein has them thinking were coming there to wip them all out. If anyone on here beleaves that your just STUPID.
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
If the terrorist and Iraq hate each other why would they attack us if we attack Iraq.
Because they hate you anyway. And I do belive that the terrorists are wanting you to attack an arabic country, it will make you look terrible, and there will be more terrorists.
We should go dictator hopping go around the world and take these bastards out, but most of them already have nukes or have armies twice the size of ours. Not to mention the support of more powerful countries
Perhaps you would be so kind to mention any of these dictatorships with nukes and huge armies.
Hussein has them thinking were coming there to wip them all out. If anyone on here beleaves that your just STUPID.
I don't belive anyone here thinks you are going in there to wipe them all out. But I guess a lot of Iraqians do. That does not make you stupid. There is no way to not be affected by propaganda.
Venezuela has the biggest oil reserve in the world. If we wanted oil wed invade them. They are in a rebellion so wed be in and out in one day for a tenth of the money and end drugs. If you think its for oil you are as bright as people in france. DOWN WITH FRANCE AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM. Im going to eat my very american freedom fries and go burn a french flag. :usa: Die france. You trashy drunks who wont even defend yourselves from germany TWICE.
Originally posted by CagedCrado
Venezuela has the biggest oil reserve in the world. If we wanted oil wed invade them. They are in a rebellion so wed be in and out in one day for a tenth of the money and end drugs. If you think its for oil you are as bright as people in france. DOWN WITH FRANCE AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM. Im going to eat my very american freedom fries and go burn a french flag. :usa: Die france. You trashy drunks who wont even defend yourselves from germany TWICE. you sir prove yourself to be an ass more and more with every post
CagedCrado, I will not say more than that you are a terrifying example on what ignorance can do to people's heads.
You think that saddam massacering kurds while we sit around wondering whether or not we go to war is stupid? Why cant you people in europe just go along with a war against somebody we should have taken out before, he does lots of illegal things all the time. They are moral things, like the pot smoking freedom bs that all of you want. Im not blind. I am not ignorant. I see more of the truth than you do. I see how all of the europeans are just backing off because they did illegal things. Atleast we have the balls to say we did.
you're full of so much ****. sorry for the language but hes got so much crap coming out of his mouth.
How come all the people who see this site say the exact opposite of you? You are all partly right, i admit bush has done a poor job in not just going and kicking iraqs ass and leaving since afterwards everybody will praise us... but whether or not the war is right or wrong is not the question, its whether you will support not exposing illegal activities. If you notice, the only countries opposing the war are countries who have done illegal things in iraq. (france, russia, china, and germany [germany is questionable])
I do not just blindly follow the president just because hes the president. If you actaully looked into it youd see that many republican and democrats are pro war.
uhm yeah america has done so much more things than any of those countries but of course the american educational system wont teach you that. one more time i will give this speech
the US government has done many horrible things. my grandfather was ordered to fire upon his own troops. by the president. in the gulf war my uncle recieved the same order. they both disobeyed the order and were sent to trial after the trial was dismissed they were sworn to secrecy but of course with this big of info who would be silent my uncle was also ordered to fire mortars into civilian inhabited areas. i saw videos his friend took while the war was going on so i know what war looks like. the civilian kills totally outweighed the military kills. many of the civilians killed (by american troops) were women and children. not to mention women were raped and beaten by many military troops and members these troops werent even sent to a trial. and you say that america is good and just. you sir are the ****ing idiot. you are ignorant you are a blubbering oaf who doesnt even deserve the right to free speech its people like you that make this world hell.
i would give you every single detestable thing but that would take 3 days. to give you the entire story and the facts to prove it. but my suggestion is to go to a university and take a reliable US history class but i doubt you'll find one.
oh by the way im an american and i wish you a horrible death thank you that is all
No ****, i said the US did bad things. We never did the things that iraq has. Every country does bad things, but the united states is way up there for doing good things. We give more aid than all other countries in the world combined. We never take and colonize countries. oh ya and ill say it again
WAR IS BAD. PEOPLE DIE. THE OUTCOME OF WAR IS GOOD. 90% OF THE TIME. IF IT WASNT FOR WAR WED BE RULED BY GERMANS. I DONT LIKE WAR BUT MANY TIMES IT IS NECESARY AND IN THIS CASE THERE IS NO DEBATE WITH SUBSTANCE AGAINST WAR.
Originally posted by CagedCrado
No ****, i said the US did bad things. We never did the things that iraq has. Every country does bad things, but the united states is way up there for doing good things. We give more aid than all other countries in the world combined. We never take and colonize countries. oh ya and ill say it again
WAR IS BAD. PEOPLE DIE. THE OUTCOME OF WAR IS GOOD. 90% OF THE TIME. IF IT WASNT FOR WAR WED BE RULED BY GERMANS. I DONT LIKE WAR BUT MANY TIMES IT IS NECESARY AND IN THIS CASE THERE IS NO DEBATE WITH SUBSTANCE AGAINST WAR. oh yeah... then what was it that we did to the rightful owners of this continent(the native americans)
What is it the british did to people in south africa? the belgish did to people in central africa? Australia? China? We were just doing our business, and we tried to live in peace. We are also the only country who gives minorities that we supress MONEY AID RIGHTS and JOBS. We give them so much its not even funny. We are extremely generous.
Many times more rights than we give ourselves, and americans were in movements such as abolishon and womens rights, we were one of the first countries to give women rights, and the only reason slavery wasnt common in other countries is because their economies were different. Not to mention how france england and prussia supported the south in the civil war.
Originally posted by CagedCrado
We give more aid than all other countries in the world combined.
That's a lie. Completely a lie. 16% comes from USA, wich is only 1% of their national budget. Get some facts next time you make a statement, k?
We never take and colonize countries. oh ya and ill say it again
That's because you're so young and all the land was already taken.
THE OUTCOME OF WAR IS GOOD. 90% OF THE TIME.
It's pretty much the opposite: The outcome of war is bad 90% of the time.
IF IT WASNT FOR WAR WED BE RULED BY GERMANS.
Bull.
1. If it wasn't for war, Germany wouldn't attack you in the first place.
2. They would never manage to hold all their land for more than a few years.
Originally posted by CagedCrado
What is it the british did to people in south africa? the belgish did to people in central africa? Australia? China? We were just doing our business, and we tried to live in peace. We are also the only country who gives minorities that we supress MONEY AID RIGHTS and JOBS. We give them so much its not even funny. We are extremely generous.
Many times more rights than we give ourselves, and americans were in movements such as abolishon and womens rights, we were one of the first countries to give women rights, and the only reason slavery wasnt common in other countries is because their economies were different. Not to mention how france england and prussia supported the south in the civil war. GENEROUS! GENEROUS! you call the rape, massacre, and cattling of innocent people who were here first living in peace and generous!?!?! do you realise how big of a crock of crap that is not to mention ignorant. as a proud cherokee and commanche decendant I wish the spirits destroy each and every bit of you. you ****in make me sick im sorry that i have to say that but what the white man did to my ancestors is far worse than what hitler did to the jews and far worse than what saddam is doing to his people. do you realise that the white man put my people into fires while tied up to poles. they raped the women then ripped out their uterus', they murdered tribesmen, they left children dying out in the sun. they threw babies into the air and shot them for target practice, they would burn the sacred lands of my ancestors and then desicrate on the ashes, they would then throw my people into a section of their(my peoples) land and say they are being generous!(they did this for hundreds of years) if i wasnt a good person i would hunt you down and butcher you! but i won't because i do not wish to free fall to your level.
america was not the first to give women rights. first it was europe,then japan, then finally america 30 years after japans 80th anniversary of giving women rights. of course europe cut the rights but then reastablished them before america.
I agree with Crado extremely well. Qui Gon you must getYOUR facts from ZoogDisney.com. Bill Gates the richest man in the world is gonna donate 95% of his profit to poor kids in Africa. 95% of his profit is over 60 billion dollars. Name country(s) that can match that standard. Plus all the other foundations in America 1% of our budget. Hmmmmmm. Right are you telling me that our budget is 64,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars according to your 1% theory. Yah the US pumps out about 80 billion dollars in funding(including Bill Gates donation.) lets see 80,000,000,000 x 100%. Nice theory Qui Gon. And all this Native American stuff, yes it was there land, this happened what 500 years ago, people weent civilized back then. There is no need to go into the past, because nothings gonna change, i dont use the past to prove my points i use it to learn from. And you should to.
-Father Torque
Insane the Muslims treated the women well first not the europeans. The europeans learned the way to treta women through the European crusades.:p
Originally posted by Father Torque
Qui Gon you must getYOUR facts from ZoogDisney.com.
Funny.
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp)
Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Sweden are the only ones that go above UN's target of 0,7%, while US rank lowest of all the industrialized countries at 0,11%.
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
Perhaps you would be so kind to mention any of these dictatorships with nukes and huge armies.
...............KOREA................ Like around a million waiting on the boarder and not to mention the million man standing army of China who knows how many in reserve like status. <---FACT YOU MISSED ! ! ! ! yeah funny.........
China is the reason the Korean War is in a sees fire for the past 40 some odd years. China is Koreas biggest Supporter. Not to OOOOO Korea has already stated the have nukes and will use them.
Is that good enough for you there guy, or do I need to go look up all the smaller ones with smaller armies ? Believe it or not at the Gulf War Iraq had one of the largest armies in the world lol, but they didn't want to fight for him lol
"Besides I thought you two were going to ignore me.... "
All I see in these posts is blind USA bashing from people who have done nothing for the world and most likely never will.
The people here are just against war no matter if for a good or a bad reason. Just against war. It really doesn't matter if Saddam is a bad guy or a good guy to you people. You're just against war. Let the bad guys do what they want to whoever. As long as its not me in my country......
That's just sad. What is also sad is the US and UK end up taking it on themselves to get reed of governments like this while the rest of the world says "as long as it's not me in my country why should I care". Well you should care about them because it could just as easily be your country someday under a dictator or mine for that matter.
Donald Rumsfeld our Secretary of Defense said this best. That when looking at Korea from orbit the north is dark and without light and the south is bright and full of light. Not a exact quote, but you get the idea. That is the difference between the American way and the other way. N. Korea is poor not because of USA because of there leadership. If not for the US going into the Korean War the hole of Korea would be that way. So there is some good we did by ourselves without the support of the rest of the world...... They didn't have oil nether did Vietnam. We didn't get rich off any of that we got poorer. How many people from your countries died to try to keep another country free.
Iraq we can be to blame for some of it, but when we send millions of bags of food and they give it to the military instead of the people that's their fault. 1 reason why we must fix that so all the people get food and its not cut off before it gets to them... IRAQ gives oil for food they aren't getting much money...
Are you all afraid that there might be a bigger war. Something the hole world gets drug into. Something you might get called up to defend. Are you scared to fight and die for something bigger than yourselves.... I guess you just want to live out your life and die sh@tting on your self in a dipper at 80 never doing anything for the world you live in, but setting back in a chair at home gripping about the politics of a country thousands of miles away.
If you don't want to go to war. Fine you're not we are its our fight with our consequences. Your opinions don't amount to a heap of Sh@t. It's going to cost Billions to go to war with Iraq and stay there to rebuild it. Most likely the Oil fields will be set on fire at the beginning to keep us from getting them like they did in Kuwait. Again we aren't getting rich we are getting poorer and if you think we are "you are just sad", because I just so happen to pay my taxes here. I'm not getting rich. If you think a US Pres. can't get rich off invading Iraq our last Pres. couldn't get a "blow job" without it being on the evening news.
I live here. I have served my country and most likely will again. Iraq should have been fixed 11 years ago, but the rest of the world said "NO" Just like when anything needs doing. Its the US that has to do it. Nobody else wants to get there hands dirty.
There will never be a world free of war, violence, and hunger as long as men are free to do wrong. Saddam has been free for to long..
If you want to stop human suffering and want the world to be peaceful. Go get a uniform and put it on. If you don't need to fight for your rights. Fight for someone else. Stand up for doing something rather than standing up for doing nothing.
I'm not closed mineded and I'm not stupid or brain washed by propaganda. There is so much freedom of the press here there is everything from your point of view to mine and everything behined and infront. This is just that facts if you don't like it you can suck an egg. I'm tired of debating with truly closed minded people that are all to safe in there cozy little beds sucking there thumbs while other people in the world are suffering and dyeing.
So much of your time is spent blaming my country. Why don't you blame yours what are they doing. With all the money the US gives to other countries in the world for aid. Everyone in America could go to college for free and have free health care. We have people in our own country starving in the streets, but we send aid to Russia or Iraq or some 3rd world f@cked up country. That the rest of the world dosn't know exists or care.
I wont be posting here anymore its pointless... For your sake I hope we don't live in a world someday where all the governments are like Iraq and there is constant drawn out wars. Given by your opposition to this war. I doubt you would lift a finger to change it.
Like i said in the middle I will say again...There will never be a world free of war, violence, and hunger as long as men are free to do wrong. Saddam has been free for to long..
Like I said in the middle I will say again...There will never be a world free of war, violence, and hunger as long as men are free to do wrong. Saddam has been free for to long..
If you don't like it you can "SUCK A EGG"
Million man army of China. Good one. Did you know that if we gave 10 bullets to every person in every form of service in the States and made the Chinese ARMY (just the army) stand 1 in front of the other we would not kill them all. From Generals to secretaries, to pilots 10 bullets 1 in front of the other just the army 1 million! Where do you get your facts from?
BigTeddyPaul
Originally posted by Father Torque
95% of his profit is over 60 billion dollars.
Heh.... I'm sure that wouldn't be his gross profit, but rather a net profit from maybe one capital venture. Still, I'd like to see the source for that.
Plus all the other foundations in America 1% of our budget. Hmmmmmm. Right are you telling me that our budget is 64,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars according to your 1% theory.
It's not actually a theory... I'm too tired to do the math, but look at this table (
http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy1999/guide/tbl2_2.gif). I'd be surprised if the percentage for Outlays-->Discretionary-->International (foreign aid) came to more than 2%.
All the foundations and charities in the U.S. couldn't hope to come close to our GDP (formerly known as the GNP prior to 1991), or Gross Domestic Product. Our annual budget was nearly 2 Trillion dollars for 2003.
Cheers.
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
I wont be posting here anymore its pointless...
It's probably just as well.. You only offer mindless rhetoric and ethnocentric viewpoints rather than intellectual debate with sourced data.
Originally posted by Cosmos Jack
If you don't like it you can "SUCK A EGG"
Sure.
Originally posted by Father Torque
Insane the Muslims treated the women well first not the europeans. The europeans learned the way to treta women through the European crusades.:p i said first to GIVE. muslims always held women equal to men.