Also, could you post the letter? There's almost always a loophole, like what Tnuc said. Might not be a loophole but I thought you only violated copyrights if you made money off of it...
Like Azrael said you could change the name of the characters and even change the title of ur mod if necessary,
I didn't expect ur mod to be prohibited by konami... if that doesn't work
Finish ur mod and Distribute it to the community secretly but be sure to change the names of the models
They cannot Legally do ANYTHING to you if you are making no money from it (brother is a police detective)
hello,
i doubt that they can sue you for anything. think about it! im no law master mind but i think they actually have to lose money for them to sue. since your not getting any money and since they arent losing any money (jk2 isnt their game at all) they can do nothing. i made a map based on The Rock and nobody did anything to me (
http://www.pcgamemods.com/file.php?id=087408522c31eeb1f982bc0eaf81d35f). keep going. id like to see them try to sue someone making models for a star wars game.
Im not a lawyer, but I do know that not only can they sue you, but they can also take all the work that you have done and claim it as their own.
A certain movie/videogame company *coughlucasartscough* is notorious for doing this to amateur mod makers. There were several very good looking Starwars maps for UT which were shut down by them.
Remember, you may be legally in the right, but it doesnt matter because they have more money than you.
Of course, the question is whether Konami would actually do anything if you ignored them.
how can they sue him? you have to lose money to try to get some from other people.
if they can sue someone for making a model of a character then they can sue someone for drawing a piscture of the character and posting it on the internet. . . they can sue people for saying the characters name (well maybe not that far)
Technilly they can sue me. Just like LucasArts can sue a JKII modder. Because when every mod is created with a character from sa diffrent game it is breaking copyright laws. I looked into it. My dad wont let me continue right now cause of it. I'll think of someway to at least release a model or two.;)
Technically can't you rename them and absolve yourself from legalities?
Darth Kitty... pass the model along to me ill finish it then for ya :) ill pm you with my email
I'm back, hooray.. Been busy with my duties at jk2files.com (hint hint)..
Anyway.. I'll handle the files and such, as far a spubbing them. Heh.
Are you sure you are staff? I thought you were sacked?
Well you ain't on the staff list anyhow.
Hey, you know you can publish the gun models, since they cannot have a copyright over the guns, since they did not make the guns, and they cannot sue for you making them into the game. You just have to call them something different. That's what Goldeneye did...and it worked.
Just e-mail me when it's done ok? :)
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Does MG: Sons of Freedom sound like a good name? What about just Snake?
In a way I never killed the mod. When JKIII comes out I may (NOTE "MAY") do a revival and somehow...bring it back?
:D
Konami has release there game now for the PC. :p BUT still the problem is that my models have a "likeness" of Snake and Co.
I will ask around and see if I can just upload the ms3d files.
Of course than again, Perfect Jamie has Snake too so maybe he can do it. :D
Originally posted by Darth_Kitty
Technilly they can sue me. Just like LucasArts can sue a JKII modder. Because when every mod is created with a character from sa diffrent game it is breaking copyright laws. I looked into it. My dad wont let me continue right now cause of it. I'll think of someway to at least release a model or two.;)
So, do you honestly believe that Konami is going to track you down and sue you? Come on, at the most, I think that they would simply contact what site you uploaded it to and tell them to take them off, which, considering how many licensed characters are made into models for games (JKII, The Sims, etc.), that seems unlikely. I doubt there will be any swat teams showing up at your door.
Originally posted by Darth_Kitty
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Does MG: Sons of Freedom sound like a good name? What about just Snake?
In a way I never killed the mod. When JKIII comes out I may (NOTE "MAY") do a revival and somehow...bring it back?
:D
Konami has release there game now for the PC. :p BUT still the problem is that my models have a "likeness" of Snake and Co.
I will ask around and see if I can just upload the ms3d files.
Of course than again, Perfect Jamie has Snake too so maybe he can do it. :D
Did they release MGS2 for pc!?!
And why don't you just release the models and stuff without the mod,and maybe some guns >.>Ahem(famas pgs and socom) :D
But Like I said dude, it's the likeness they can get you for. And I really don't wanna take a chance to see if they will sue or not. :D
Damn...
Well What about the grayfox model?
Why don't you just ask them for permission to do the models only,then secretly make the Mod,and only send to those who you can trust;)
Like me -coughs-
And a raiden model would be sweet too-hint hint-
well can't you go ask for permission? if so that would be very good.:)
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! I'm sick but this does me sicker:mad: But konami doesnt have copyright on the weapons so you can just release them as a weapon mod. MGS models has been realeased before so that may be legal. Multiplayer models to singleplayer is also legal. And konami cant have copyrights on modding so you can release that too. So if you upload those files as different mods and models: ITS MUCH MORE LEGAL:D lol
I think we're taking this coyright infringment thing way too seriously. We're gamers making models for games. We're not running some bootleg operation here, it's art work. It's the same as drawing a picture of Snake, uploading it to a website, and letting others download it. I'm sure Konami has much bigger issues on their hands. I think we're placing a little too much importance on the impact of these models. There won't be any repercussions whether you release it or not, so you might as well release it.
if this helps clear up anything, people made a Snake skin at jk2files, so what's the difference if you make a model?
Actually, some companies prefer Mods and have a Mod-Friendly stance - such as CapCom, who allows full use of their characters and intellectual properties for Mod-creation.
Has anyone checked with Konami's stance towards mods? It is a safe bet that they don't tolerate them, but it is always best to check, and then adjust your actions accordingly.
Konami doesn't own intellectual property on a lot of their stuff, such as the concept of an elite soldier, or even a ninja with high-tech armaments.
They don't even own the copyright on super-mech-style robots.
All of this is easily arguable as fair-use.
However, because you are a small operation, as all mods are, you are forced to avoid the probing legal eye.
For one, don't use the Metal Gear name. There's about a million cooler names that will still evoke the sense of espionage and intrigue. Just think, you should focus on the style of gameplay first. EVEN IF you were able to use the Metal Gear name, if you didn't have that style of gameplay, you wouldn't have achieved your true goal.
Unless your true goal was to have the Metal Gear name associated with your mod, that is. I guess it really depends how you look at it. You should really just focus on atmosphere and gameplay.
man, you sound all smart like y'know?
if Capcom lets everyone use their stuff why haven't I seen any good Street Fighter models = /
If I knew how to model, I'd be all over the Akuma model.
I'd even make a new 'energy-thing' animation for him.
hows it goin with the models??
Thats crazy. I dont believe it. They actually told you to stop making it. That's the stupidest thing I've heard any cooporation do. The thing would be like an ad for their game. M.G.S. 2 is a really cool game and he's an incredible character.
yeah...I ALWAYS try to make something better on the models. Here's Snake from MGS. You may remember my old one (
http://www.awardwinningdesign.net/u...l_stars_lol.jpg) but heres the new one. And it's only 3743 polys.
http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/11463.jpg)
http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/11462.jpg)
We're not running some bootleg operation here
Uh...sure...were not... *Anime Sweat*
I hope you know, if your planning on putting that in jk2, make hte polycount 3000 so when people use it they don't lag. Thanks.
Wow this model looks awesome. I dont really play metal gear solid, but i cant wait to add this one to my collection of non star wars files
Hrmm regarding this pic here:
http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/11463.jpg)
Shouldn't the knee pad on the left (his left) knee actually be ON the knee and not above it? Just wondering, otherwise great model so far. Also on that picture it looks a bit like his torso is sliding off his waise. Good job so far.
Yeah, in the model itself, that's not there. That's just cause it was a Promo Shot. hehe Sorry. :D
Ah, ok, that makes sense. It just appeared weird at first and the first thing that came through my head when I saw it was Raiden accidently hit him with the sword in MGS2 lol.
Here is Big Boss and this is a WAY early version of Meryl Silverburgh. STILL WAY WIP.
Big Boss is a little updated than these shots but nothing big.
Enjoy!
http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12019.jpg)
http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12008.jpg)
i like the mgs solid snake over the newer one from the new game, but thats just me;)
WIP still. This is the updated version...doesn't look like she was beaten :P
http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12027.jpg)
And the updated Snake model. This has been update for a while...just haven't posted it...
http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/12028.jpg)
I can talk to KevinCoyle about putting those in-game for you? He is really generous and a ALL OUT nice guy.
where is kevin anyway?
he sorta dissapeared again...:confused:
That would be great Hell. I have had them in once about a year ago, but these are way updated. VampireHunterD was my original importer, but he left and then someone else, but they left too. Anyway's. Cool. Snake is updated again, and so is Big Boss. I will post shots soon.
I'd say that the skin could use a little work, but the model is kick ass!
I still say a little more detail done to the clothes of the skin, not as much with the face and head.
Yes, needs much more work, and the skin is overly yellow.
You gonna release an SDK for skinners (like me)?