Which clans already established in the JK realm are posed to lead the charge?
Id say LSF would also qualify for that, just as some other grand clans such as WLP
Well, [TE]DarthBob, you managed to get all of them to take the bait. Fine bit of trolling ;)
Just kidding...carry on.
[TE]DarthBob,
:fett: You forgot to tell them about "The Empire". We are an established JKII clan.
Check us out.
www.theempireclan.com)
:fett: [TE]NuForce :atat:
Oh, I was getting there Lord Nu-force.
It's not the east or the west side (Nu-force: No it's not!)
its not the north or south side (Nu-force: No its not!)
its the dark side!! ( Nu-Force: u r correct!!! )
That's right, we got the Deathstar and we are coming to galaxy clan league near you. The Empire is looking for an established JK clan that wishes to ally with The Empire. For contribution in your "Force Power" techniques, we will spare you and demonstrate our Q3:EF powers. Together we share rule the Galaxy!!!! <insert evil laugh>
Um....ok....I've been watching the Star Wars Gangsta Rap wayyyyy to many times. Click here and all will reveal itself:
http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/atom_1403)
No flames yet? Hello...is this thing on?
lol
I know right.....hello is this thing on??
:p
ROFL biocycte!!!
I knew it wouldnt be long b4 [oo] showed :)
well...just to let all know that UK / USA EF champions clan =CCC= will
be entering into Jedi Outcast
You wanna play with some serious nutters and have a laugh while owning the world.......join us
cya on the battlefield [oo]....good to c u lads in JO and look forward to lopping your arm off with me trusty saber ;)
=CCC=V1Ru5
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www.clanccc.co.uk)
Good to see you 2 man!
We definatly will meet on the Battlefield but its your arm that will be chopped off ;)
"that didnt hurt....it's just a flesh wound"
:D
The best competitive clans in JK currently do not post on and probably don't even check JKII.net forums. This has led to the 'elites' being unrepresented when RAVEN comes to these forums for suggestions and to get the opinions of the fan base.
Time has mostly killed JK's competitive population; the very best clans, that are legends, if you will, amoungst today's existing clans have long moved on to other games. The few remaining ones do not actually compete in anything to the best of my knowledge. They simply just play, some times getting into little feuds with each other over petty little things, simply because theres nothing else to do in JK anymore, beyond playing it.
actually clans that I know have kept it together mostly have moved onto other games
TF - Team Fusion(top JK CTF clan, consistently held top 10 ranks in Tribes 1/2.
SyK - Sykotic(mediocre clan in JK at best, but, as I've heard, has become an strong clan in other games)
IRN- Iron Knights(top JK clan, currently in CS I believe)
ETI- Extrerestrial Intelligence(pretty good if i recall)
HDK-Heavy Duty Killers(up there in JK, primarily strong in UT)
some others Ive forgotten
when i say top clan,etc. in relation to JK im refering to them as they were in their prime in JK
Three or Four years ago I was briefly (like 3 months) part of the Phantom Jedi Elite clan for DF2;JK, and there were some cool folks about. Any of you still alive?
I lost touch when I went back to school. But PJE_Meat is back with a vengeance! That's me trying to sound badarse.
Folks like Cyberdemon, Firebird, etc. Anybody still around?
I tried to access the ole website, but it wouldn't load. Anywho, I'm looking to gang up with a bunch of folks. For anybody recruiting, message me. I guarantee you I don't suck, and I don't intend for that to change.
--Monsieur Poopypants.
To add on what DeathBolt says which I dont know if he remembers me but I am former HDK_MetalNeo most the top clans r not represented here at all. And most the top clans are resurfacing with the release of JK2 drawing closer and although Deathbolt names some good clans he forgets some new top clans that have come about with old legends coming back to revive them and some old clans brought back.
I just wanted to take some time to list some top clans I still see on the zone.
JaG, HDK, JCS, END, KDE which used to be DE, and VDS i suppose hehe.
By the way clans such as WLP are highly organized and populated but talented or great let me think no lmao.
GSpoT_JCS
actually part of the criteria for being part of the clans i listed was actually being able to move on to other games as a organized fore and excel on the ladders at other games..
sure END, VDS, dP, etc. etc. are fairly strong guilds in JK, but they've not demonstrated the ability to be able to adapt to other games.. im not saying they can't but I won't believe it until i see it..
:)
You can't just ask Whats the best JK clan. You'd have to categorize the JK clans, or everything'd be a mess.
And I'm not only talking about NF or FF or guns, I'm also talking about years. JK has changed a lot from when it first started, the gameplay has changed, the players have changed.
But you'd also have to set criteria of what the best clan actually means.
Is "the best clan":
- the one with the biggest amount of "elite" players?
- the one whith the most trophies?
- the one with the most active players?
- etc
You can't just ask: ***BEST JK CLAN? = choose from EA/IRN/JCS/DE/HDK/VDS/WLP etc***. That's not fair because they all have their strong and weak points.
Categorizing the best JK clan is the best way to get an objective point of view work. You'd have to do something like this:
best nf gunning clan in 1997
best nf gunning clan in 1998
best nf gunning clan in 1999
best nf gunning clan in 2000
best current nf gunning clan
best nf gunning clan ever
best ff gunning clan in 1997
best ff gunning clan in 1998
best ff gunning clan in 1999
best ff gunning clan in 2000
best current ff gunning clan
best ff gunning clan ever
best nf saber clan in 1997
best nf saber clan in 1998
best nf saber clan in 1999
best nf saber clan in 2000
best current nf saber clan
etc
etc.
A lot of work, but the conclusions would be fair.
but oh well.. what is "the best"?:-?
I'm the best.
--The Mighty Pants.
PS: What were we talking about again?
poopypants! UR COOL! hehe
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I've been in a few JK clans in my time.
I'd say the best Clans are one's who combine an active Roster of skilled players and are led by someone who actually care's about the clan.
Meaning not just a load of people beating the midichloreans out of each other. But a clan with tournaments that work and awards that work.
Out of the clans I've been in I would commend the Leviathan and Holy Clans. Cuz they had both, and their own Levels. Leviathan had a JK race curcuit, sounds weir but it's great! And I topped the award list (woo hoo)
Http://turn.to/leviathan)
Http://browse.to/holy)
I hope these clans will be doing something for JO.
Guess I'll see you all then.
Look out for the Black Rose, saber fans!:atat:
~ Lev Kelly / Holy Kelly. ~
The best competitive clans in JK currently do not post on and probably don't even check JKII.net forums. This has led to the 'elites' being unrepresented when RAVEN comes to these forums for suggestions and to get the opinions of the fan base.
'The squeaky wheel gets the oil.' Those who show up get the resources. There is nothing stopping any of the self-proclaimed elite from participating here.
Of course the assumption you've made, that the elite base of player, and therefore elite opinion, is found in clans, is wrong. Although your quotation around 'elite' suggests that competetive clans may not in fact be the cream of the crop.
Presumably the 'elite' suggestions would focus mainly on making sure that Jedi Outcast was basically a Jedi Knight/MotS clone. Same gameplay, same force powers, same weapons, same network code, etc. Presumably they have no answers to the questions : 'Why change the game if you already understand how to play it well? Why learn anything new if you like and have mastered something? Why can't Raven make it as easy as possible for me so I don't have to master something new?'
No doubt there will be exceptions to this thinking among some long-time clanners. It would be especially nice to hear their opinions.
In any case, all are welcome and encouraged to participate here.
There is nothing stopping any of the self-proclaimed elite from participating here.
I absolutely agree with you on this.. In fact, I was actually criticizing the best competitive clans for their lack of participation. Additional criticism goes to those who did show up, but showed their superior brain power when they decided it was a better strategy to drop the constructive, rational argument routine and start flaming everyone who dared disagreeing with them.. :\
Although your quotation around 'elite' suggests that competetive clans may not in fact be the cream of the crop.
I use the word elite interchangeably with competitive players, hardcores, etc., simply because thats just one way(albeit its probably a lousy one) of describing the top competitive players.
Presumably the 'elite' suggestions would focus mainly on making sure that Jedi Outcast was basically a Jedi Knight/MotS clone. Same gameplay, same force powers, same weapons, same network code, etc.
Well, on most of the stuff you mentioned, the competitive gamer community's opinions varies. People that want the same netcode are the ones who benefitted from being laggy. People that want the force powers to work exactly alike tend to be current jk players and the ones that have spent forever getting to the skill level they are on with the current strategies, and when they're in their prime in JK, they are afraid of being a newbie again.
Its primarly the basic stuff, like the centripetal force factor in movement, that most of the competitive JK players(that ive talked to) start thinking alike on. Thats the sort of thing that most compettive JK players think are as signifcant as the presence of force powers and lightsabers.
No doubt there will be exceptions to this thinking among some long-time clanners. It would be especially nice to hear their opinions.
Well, compettive JK players that have been playing JK for ages, and contiue to do so, are usually either doing it because they have pos computers, or are stuck in a rut. Today's competitve scene is pretty much filled with people in a rut, who don't want to try something new. When I refer to compettive gamers, I primarily think about the old, no longer playing JK ones probably more than I do about the current ones.
Let me clairify something here.
www.theempireclan.com) is a (soon to be) powerful Jedi Knight II clan that eagerly awaits the release of the JK2. I'm not sure what StarWars game you folks are talking about but, The Empire-Obsidian Order Clan is a multiplayer first-person shoot clan that is currently one of the top clans in the StarTrek Eliteforce League.
I'm afraid that you clanners who are not playing a multiplayer first person shoot think they are going to walk in and start kicking butt on the new Quake III driven Jedi Knight 2 game better be prepare to die like a newbie. ;)
Look for you on the Fragging Fields,
:fett: [TE]NuForce[OO]
We are referring to Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight, which JK2 is a sequel to.
And assuming force, etc. will be even remotely like JK(which probably has the same chance that skills in quake3, elite force carry over), you will find out that you're playing a incredibly fast paced game, where height and distance present no obstacle to reaching your destination. The shortcuts opened up by speed/jump* are amazing. Utilizing curves and bumps on the floors/walls of map, you are able to virtually fly using them as ramps. In the most popular sabers level, Battleground Jedi, there isn't a part that you cannot reach in a second, through speed-jump force use. You can dance around using the whole level as for cover, virtually leaping from behind one barrier to another across the map in mere seconds competely evading enemy fire. And all that is possible with just 2 force powers of the 14 offered in Jedi Knight. As you can expect, this entailed a great learning curve where many of the abilities and many of the tactics used in NF Guns/Sabers** aren't useful in FF Guns/Sabers***. Many clans formed divisions of people that played ff in the same manner that some clans would form divisions for other games
*=Speed/Jump... using Force Speed and Force Jump to basically do running jumps at mach 4 :P
**=NF Guns/Sabers refers to No Force(no force is available at all) Guns, which resembled your typical FPSer, and Sabers, which was basically saber duels without force. :P
***= FF Guns/Sabers refers to Full Force(all force powers are available) Guns and Sabers, which do not resemble any FPSer I can think of.
Hopefully that made sense hehe :P
Either way, if you've got JK(it can most likely be found in your bargain bin(if even there) at your local computer store, i'd be happy to show you what I mean: my icq# is 55920286 and my zone nick is _Deathbolt(althought i don't use it frequently).
I happened to be the VP of an elite clan that found its home on America Online, We saw to the fall of many clans (some of which i cant even remember at this point). We were the primary enemy of F.O.R.C.E., we saw to the destruction of Young Bloods and the complete anihilation of NEB (I still have no idea what NEB means). We also fought against Mercenaries of Death. The list goes on. Now, some of what has been said here is true, There are aspects of JK that i dont want to change. For example I loved the COG scripting, it was so simple that it was easy to modify JK to my liking. The ability to dramaticaly edit the texturing and models, made it one of the most customizable games ever. Now I am all for JO no matter what, but I just hope it will be editable. By the way, my clan? The Phantom Knights
But the 2 ppl on this thread that I am looking forward to fragging are:
Deathbolt (because he knows everything)
DigitalVapor (because he thinks everyone knows who the Phantom Knights are)
:D:D :D :D :D
Noone will ever frag me ;)
Now now Bio, here's a banana and leave DeathBolt alone. I like to hear his views on the use of force powers and such.
But feel free to go ape on DigitalFart.
I will not frag you now.....(me is eating banana)
:p
gunners are weird. ;)
and who are the phantom knights?
these icons are so weird too :atat: :P
I never expected any of you to know the Phantom Knights. One of our key traits was as the name suggests...Stealth. We didn't like the mainstream anyway, too many people wasting your time while you are busy training can be a hassle. We picked and chose our fights. We also tended to lean more towards decimating clans who claimed to be "the best" or clans formed by former enemies, and especialy those who tended to get "too powerful". But don't get me wrong, I NEVER SAID WE WERE THE BEST EITHER. But the operation method we used was simple- Be unknown, stay hidden, strike when neeeded. This allowed us to take our enemies by surprise. Tell me, if you came accross a clan that you'd never heard of, and they challenged you...WOULD YOU THINK THEY WERE A THREAT? Think SITH, people. But that was also a long time ago. I felt that a little publicity would help with gaining "official recognition" oh and...BRING IT ON MONKEY BOY :)
I personaly stick with FF Sabers Only, That has always been my favorite thing in Star Wars, those awsome lightsabers! I mean thats a really cool concept. Without lightsabers and the force, SW would just be another really good science fiction flick. I cant help but see more honor in a face to face lightsaber battle, than is seen in hiding behind things and blowing people up with the biggest gun you can find when they arent looking. I am actualy taking a week off from work to train myself in JKII saber combat. :D
stay hidden, strike when neeeded. This allowed us to take our enemies by surprise. Tell me, if you came accross a clan that you'd never heard of, and they challenged you...WOULD YOU THINK THEY WERE A THREAT?
Its a video game..
Immature 5 year old trapped inside a 30 year old's body. He hast fun at least:) so ya can't complain about that, makes it more like Star Wars, I think it's lots of fun when people play the game as a Star Wars game and not just trying to be the best at it and with Jedi Outcast it only helps more. A week off for work though? err can't you wait til after work?
Yes, I know its a video game, but the clan scene tended to also get a bit personal. And besides, part of multiplayer gaming is dealing with real people as opponents. In the end its just a game, but while you're playing against a member of a rival clan...its war. Interacting with clans outside the game tended to get ugly. People were known to create multiple screen names and join enemy clans just to gain a tactical edge. It was common practice to have a "members only" page on the clan website. Gaining access to that helped people learn the secrets and plans of rival clans. There were tons of clan rosters with at least one rank designated as SPY. So yes, its a game, but it also became a tool for dealing with personal enemies made in chat rooms.
Thanx Nimbus. Oh and its Immature 6 year old trapped in a 20 year old's body, ya see, I'm a 20 years old body and long since passed the 5 year old maturity level. :D :D :D
I will drag your lifeless corpse to the highest branch in my tree and hang you there for all to see! Then I will poop on you!!
MuahHAHAHAHAH!
I await the release of the game, once that has happened I will search for you smelly one......
:D
On a serious note, Biocyte, im glad you use the " :D " otherwise, i might think you were being a serious pain in the :eek: But Naturaly I would be honored to take you on in JKII, I'm sure it will be a fun and if you will- smelly - experience. :laughing:
I honestly can't speak for the NF side, but amomg the FFers WD, dp, BSB, JaG, XXXSA are the top clans. DSbr was untill recently.
Of these, only WD and JaG have been able to play games other then JK.
I'm not disagreeing with Deathbolt. He's right and in the know, but he only named the NF side.
Of the few "elites" who have even bothered with these boards, Deathbolt is about the only one to be listened too. For that I congragulate him.
I remember when JK2 was first anounced and more "elites" were on the forums, but they quicky got tired of stupid arguments with the clueless that just didn't want to listen. But still, he is right about there being a problem with "elites" not hanging around these forums and we've already had that discussion on the WD boards. He is also right about the "elites" flaming to much (although I can't say it wasn't deserved at times).
My personal opinion remains that just as in JK, there will be a huge gap in skill between the hardcore gamers and the people who are just star wars fans. I'm not saying that you can't be both, but if you consider the choice of light or dark to be a moral choice and not a tactical one...
FYI Light is better in guns maps such as oasis because absorb blocks pull, but you have to control the armor vest and your surge and have awsome aim to win against a skilled darkie.
Dark is superior to light in saber only levels (tower and BGJ). Absorb or not, grip stops you for an easy saber hit and destruction can push you off ledges. Heal or not, 2 saber hits in 2nd fire will kill you in BGJ (there are no shield power ups.)
they quicky got tired of stupid arguments with the clueless that just didn't want to listen
Or is it they simply have nothing constructve to add? And have no substance to their 'arguments'?
Typical self-proclaimed elite suggestion for Outcast: 'make Outcast a Jedi Knight clone using q3 tech. Don't change a game that I know how to play. I have no idea how to make it better. But I'll just claim that I am a great Jedi Knight player, and that will be my excuse for making no meaningful suggestions on how to improve the game. Anyone who disagrees with me is a newbie.' Repeat ad nauseum.
What is the devteam supposed to do with that kind of suggestion? Put a Jedi Knight CDROM in an Outcast box?
Self proclaimed? Ha! Talk to me when you go into nar and you find that people are talking about how good you are in the main chat. Talk to me when you have some one you don't know call you a "legend."
You really don't know...
Talking about a group of people that you know nothing about is a not a worthy thing.
Talking about a group of people that you know nothing about is a not a worthy thing.
Age-old advice I try to follow as much as possible.
So what is your fixation on newbies? Are they people you don't know but like to talk about?
Just because you are a legend in your own mind doesn't help make Jedi Outcast a better game, Torment.
Just because you are a legend in your own mind doesn't help make Jedi Outcast a better game, Torment.
LMAO!!!
That was funny! Sorry Torment but it was.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BURP!
I gave myself nothing, do you not listen? "Elite" is what people have come to call me by my skill and reputation. As for "legend" hell, I laughed at that myself hehe.
Now I know I've come across harsh but you don't know me, just as you don't know the hardcore JKer community. I've been back on the zone for less then a week and I've already offered three "newbies" the chance to join WD when JK2 comes out.
Why did I do this? Well I could tell they had potential and after talking with them at lengh I found they were what I was looking for. The fact they they could endure a FF BGJ game with me and not get mad or call me a hacker and actually try and learn something tells me a lot about them.
I never flame or start verbal confintations while in games, however I will finish them.
Torment, why do u keep comparing JK1's playstyle with JK2's?
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW JK2 IS GOING TO BE PLAYED! All we do know is that it's going to be VERY different!!! :cool:
And that difference is=
It doesn't matter if you're good at FF or Guns or Sabers in JK1, because all those fancy moves you've learned will probably not be used in JK2.
Haven't u read about ALL the new stuff JK2's going to have? Even the simplest things as gunning or force-pull are going to be different.
"Elite" people from the current hardcore JK1 community HAVE to realize that we're all going to be sh!t and newbish when JK2 comes out. I know that, my fellow VDS-clanmates know that, but for some reason a certain WD still doesn't know it. And what's so bad about being all newbie again? Some people have to realize that this is a game and being "elite" is just stupid, just have fun!! It's going to be hella fun being all newbie at JK2 again, discovering new tactics all over again, etc etc.
And JK2 being very different to JK1 is also the reason why it's stupid to let current JK1-"newbies" into ur clan for JK2, just because "they're talented at BGJ FF".
That talent won't mean anything in JK2!!
If you want to recruit for JK2, judge them by their attitude/location/pc/internetconnection/whatever, But DO NOT judge them by their current skill in JK1.
I'm sorry if this post is a bit harsh, but it's just frustrating to see JK1 people talk about JK2 like it's just JK1 with better graphics. They have to realize it's a different game.
WELL SAID!!!
/me applauds!
/me goes back in tree!