Okay as some of you know there are at least 10 states where investigations of voter fraud are taking place. The FBI is now involved, and there has been particularly a lot of stuff going on in Ohio.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,431525,00.html)
Now a Federal Judge has ruled against the Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner in Ohio, and not a moment too soon, because if she had managed to sit on these for seven more days they would have been opened and there would have been no way to figure out which votes were fraudulent and which weren't.
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7207)
http://www.wgntv.com/landing_election_news/?Judge-orders-Ohio-secretary-of-state-to-=1&blockID=91214&feedID=21)
I'm going to go out of my way and state that in my opinion based on the information I've discovered thus far and say that it looks like she was involved in trying to cover up the fact that voter fraud was taking place.
It isn't just limited to Ohio though, in Nevada, the FBI has gotten involved and at the request of the Secretary of State there whom is honest, which is rare among Democrats these days on the Federal and State Level. The FBI is also investigating voter fraud in Missouri.
Furthermore, this has spilled into other states as well (including the state I call home), and all the voter fraud revolves around a key group that Senator Obama is now denying ever working for them and had paid them $800,000 in a get-out-the vote drive. That group is ACORN.
I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm very angry that this was taking place.
AP:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNf_-bBZls_mvLIRCFJtlkMM3mhAD93MIVPO1)
What the AP isn't saying is there are ballots being turned over to the FBI in Missouri.
First off, they've been discussing this on every 24 hour news station.
Secondly I think everyone is upset about this, and it's not just ACORN that has been found to be linked to voter fraud. There have however been thousands of submissions filed by ACORN that are fraudulent.
Lastly, Senator Obama has not disconnected himself from ACORN he has stated that he at one time defended them when he was an attorney in Illinois. You can vilify a man for doing his job.
First off, they've been discussing this on every 24 hour news station.
Fox News was bringing this up several days ago and the others are only just now jumping on this.
Secondly I think everyone is upset about this, and it's not just ACORN that has been found to be linked to voter fraud. There have however been thousands of submissions filed by ACORN that are fraudulent.
A lot of the groups are subsidiaries of ACORN believe it or not which has somehow managed to get government money.
Lastly, Senator Obama has not disconnected himself from ACORN he has stated that he at one time defended them when he was an attorney in Illinois. You can vilify a man for doing his job.
No he's only denied training their people among other things. Also there is such thing as following the money, since he paid them $800,000 dollars.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html)
Fox News was bringing this up several days ago and the others are only just now jumping on this.
Not really.
A lot of the groups are subsidiaries of ACORN believe it or not which has somehow managed to get government money.
Okay, so have a lot of conservative groups. I hardly see a correlation between the Democratic party and voter fraud.
No he's only denied training their people among other things.
Evidence of this? From what I've seen it's been pretty well established that he's been connected with ACORN in his past and has made no attempts to deny it. He may not give the issue as much time as you think, but that doesn't mean he's denied any connection.
Also there is such thing as following the money, since he paid them $800,000 dollars.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html)
His campaign has given $800,000 dollars to a group that is in charge of get out the vote campaigns. Simply because a person in the RNC states there's something more to it doesn't make it so. I understand that it's very questionable, however that doesn't mean he [Obama] is in fact responsible for the actions of ACORN.
I think there is an issue with people look into things far more than they should, on both sides. After all we can bring up the scandals surrounding McCain and Palin both as far as corruption and mis-deeds go.
Not really.
Okay they are now covering it.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html)
However, they seem not to be reporting that the FBI is investigating.
Okay, so have a lot of conservative groups. I hardly see a correlation between the Democratic party and voter fraud.
ACORN is a radical left-wing group, they are not conservatives, they are associated with the Democrat Party.
Evidence of this? From what I've seen it's been pretty well established that he's been connected with ACORN in his past and has made no attempts to deny it. He may not give the issue as much time as you think, but that doesn't mean he's denied any connection.
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/20/acornrumor)
They are paid for by the Obama Campaign but is contradicted by:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=)
Also reporting his connection and an attempt to cover it up:
While Barack Obama's connection with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has not gone entirely unreported, it has not been fully explained. Most media background pieces simply note Obama's involvement in a 1995 lawsuit on behalf of ACORN. Obama's own website, as well as most major media, fail to reveal the full depth and extent of his relationship with the organization.
Attempts to hide evidence of Obama's involvement with ACORN have included wiping the web clean of potentially damaging articles that had appeared, and were previously publicly accessible. Unfortunately, those behind the attempted cover-up failed to realize that in today's day and age, nothing disappears forever. There also exists another layer of the web, the hidden web, which is full of information included in proprietary scholarly databases where these very same "missing" articles can be easily uncovered.
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203)
His campaign has given $800,000 dollars to a group that is in charge of get out the vote campaigns. Simply because a person in the RNC states there's something more to it doesn't make it so. I understand that it's very questionable, however that doesn't mean he [Obama] is in fact responsible for the actions of ACORN.
Then why is the FBI getting involved if there is nothing there?
http://newmexicoindependent.com/4239/fbi-probing-1400-voter-registration-forms)
I think there is an issue with people look into things far more than they should, on both sides. After all we can bring up the scandals surrounding McCain and Palin both as far as corruption and mis-deeds go.
Uh huh, McCain and Palin aren't funding a group that is committing out and out voter fraud, if they were the Mainstream media would be all over it.
Okay they are now covering it.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html)
However, they seem not to be reporting that the FBI is investigating.
Why do they need to state the FBI is investigating it?
I think everyone is well aware federal investigations are handled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
ACORN is a radical left-wing group, they are not conservatives, they are associated with the Democrat Party.
I never said any different. I said that there are also conservative groups out there that have committd similar acts.
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/20/acornrumor)
They are paid for by the Obama Campaign but is contradicted by:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=)
You know, I read that and it's true Obama never trained ACORN, he was invited to. He also was director of Project Vote in 1992 which had volunteer work done by ACORN within the community of Chicago, there was no direct collaboration and any attempts to say so are a stretch of the truth. I read all through Mr. Kurtz's claims and it's all rather skeptical I agree, however there is no direct connection.
Then why is the FBI getting involved if there is nothing there?
I wasn't aware the FBI was investigating Barack Obama, care to provide a source?
Uh huh, McCain and Palin aren't funding a group that is committing out and out voter fraud, if they were the Mainstream media would be all over it.
Neither is Barack Obama.
Also you still need to learn that Fox News is the mainstream media.
Why do they need to state the FBI is investigating it?
Cause it shows that the Republicans accusation has merit.
I think everyone is well aware federal investigations are handled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
They are now, but the way it has been presented thus far is that it is Republican scare tactics when that is not the case cause it is actually taking place.
I never said any different. I said that there are also conservative groups out there that have committd similar acts.
Oh really, name 1 conservative organization that has been involved in committing voter fraud in the 2008 election. I sincerely doubt you could name even 1 where there is even a remote case against a Conservative group it would be all over the news media.
You know, I read that and it's true Obama never trained ACORN, he was invited to. He also was director of Project Vote in 1992 which had volunteer work done by ACORN within the community of Chicago, there was no direct collaboration and any attempts to say so are a stretch of the truth. I read all through Mr. Kurtz's claims and it's all rather skeptical I agree, however there is no direct connection.
I don't consider using a site funded directly by the Obama campaign to be a valid source, and what I'm pointed out is that I've tracked down enough information to show that Obama trained members of that organization. Furthermore, if he had no connection to them, why was he funnelling money to them.
I wasn't aware the FBI was investigating Barack Obama, care to provide a source?
I'm not saying they are investigating him yet, but odds are they are about to given the $800,000 contribution to ACORN for voter-registration drives.
Neither is Barack Obama.
Uh huh, then why did he pay them $800,000?
Also you still need to learn that Fox News is the mainstream media.
The term "Mainstream Media" refers to the liberal press which Fox News is not a part of.
The term "Mainstream Media" refers to the liberal press which Fox News is not a part of.
You apparently aren't aware of what the word "mainstream" means.
You apparently aren't aware of what the word "mainstream" means.
I know what mainstream means, I'm also aware of how it is used as far as the media is concerned.
Also I think the people over at Fox News would feel insulted being thrown in with the likes of MSNBC.
Oh and there is an investigation involving Obama:
http://bartonbulletin.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/fec-investigates-illegal-contributions-to-obama/)
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/acornproject_vote_voting_drive.html)
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/09/obama-and-acorn-is-there-a-problem-voter-registration-fraud/)
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/acorn-commits-fraud-in-michigan/)
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73335)
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21171537/fraud_fears.htm?q=ACORN+Voter+Fraud)
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usobam025598601mar02,1,6933215,full.story)
And then from Obama's own website:
When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, "I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC7zm)
When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, "I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”.
Source (
http://my.barackobama.com/page/commu...mfelsen/gGC7zm)
That goes directly against what is said on Fight the Smears.
Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.
Source (
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/20/acornrumor)
Which do we believe? On his own websites, which are supposed to be devoted to the truth, there's a glaring contradiction!
Acorn was not a part of Project Vote, they did however participate in it.
Article: Parties wage war over voter fraud, intimidation (
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27100918/)
Subheadline: Democrats see vote suppression, McCain alleges fraud by Obama ally
Republicans allege Democrats and their allies are trying to subvert the voter registration system, and perhaps the election itself, with an avalanche of inaccurate or fraudulent new voter registrations. I want to know the outcome of this problem. We should take care of this fast.
But Democrats charge Republicans are trying to deter would-be voters by discouraging registrations and by requiring voters to identify themselves, in some cases with state-issued photo identification such as a driver’s license. Whats wrong with that? I think that would be a great idea. Having people show a U. S. form of identification would allow us to secure the integrity of a election. Birth certificates, I.D., Licences, Green Cards, etc...
Nevada raid on ACORN
In Las Vegas, investigators from the office of Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat, served a search warrant Tuesday on the ACORN office, as part of an investigation into allegations of voter registration fraud. Miller’s agents seized computer hard drives and boxes of documents.
I guess there is some truth to the ACORN issue.
Article #2: Mo. officials suspect fake voter registration (
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27091418/)
Advocacy group scrutinized for hundreds of questionable, duplicate forms
FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said the agency has been in contact with elections officials about potential voter fraud and plans to investigate.
"It's a matter we take very seriously," Patton said. "It is against the law to register someone to vote who does not fall within the parameters to vote, or to put someone on there falsely."
On Tuesday, authorities in Nevada seized records from ACORN after finding fraudulent registration forms that included the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.
In April, eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures.
Whats wrong with that? I think that would be a great idea. Having people show a U. S. form of identification would allow us to secure the integrity of a election. Birth certificates, I.D., Licences, Green Cards, etc...
I agree with that - it just makes sense that you show that you are who you claim to be when you go to vote. That it should be possible to walk into a polling centre and claim to be someone without valid proof of identity seems absurd.
Cause it shows that the Republicans accusation has merit.No it doesn't. All it means is that they received a complaint and are now investigating it (this is aka "doing their jobs"). If they find anything, then that will mean that the Republican accusations have merit.
This is like saying that police responding to a bomb threat means that there really is a bomb.
Also I think the people over at Fox News would feel insulted being thrown in with the likes of MSNBC.
I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read this. Pot calling the kettle black. BAD POT! :D
This is also a nice little gem...
Oh really, name 1 conservative organization that has been involved in committing voter fraud in the 2008 election.
How about we start naming any conservative, liberal, or any other organization that has ever been involved in "voter fraud"...? Why are we only focusing on the last year or so...? :)
Plus let's face it...McCain doesn't stand a chance so this is mostly irrelevant. That's why we are starting to see a lot of finger pointing such as this, and you won't see a lot from the Dems as they aren't worried about it. Negativity in this election only breeds contempt and the election is theirs to lose. :)
Whats wrong with that? I think that would be a great idea. Having people show a U. S. form of identification would allow us to secure the integrity of a election. Birth certificates, I.D., Licences, Green Cards, etc...Have you ever actually voted for something? Real hard to go in and get a ballot without showing ID. The election judges usually have a problem with you not identifying yourself and then snatching up a ballot. :)
Have you ever actually voted for something? Real hard to go in and get a ballot without showing ID. The election judges usually have a problem with you not identifying yourself and then snatching up a ballot. :)
Thought so - voting without ID seemed like a strange idea...:lol:
Yeah I was just thinking about it, if Texas was like the only state that made you verify your identity then something is seriously wrong with the state of the nation.
Have you ever actually voted for something? Real hard to go in and get a ballot without showing ID. The election judges usually have a problem with you not identifying yourself and then snatching up a ballot. :) This is my first election. :xp: :D
I'm not surprised. Best not to make assumptions about the election process if you've never experienced it.
Yeah I was just thinking about it, if Texas was like the only state that made you verify your identity then something is seriously wrong with the state of the nation.
Indiana requires it, however ACORN specializes in voter fraud.
Indiana requires it, however ACORN specializes in voter fraud.
That may be and what they do may be disgusting abuse, but it's not like it'll weight the election. I doubt anyone will give a ballot to someone trying to be registered as Kermit the Frog.
Indiana requires it, however ACORN specializes in voter fraud.
Hmmm...is a comment about sensationalist forum posting considered snarky....? :xp:
Point of clarity...there was "registration fraud" technically speaking, not voter fraud. Also, Achilles was kind enough to post a reply in another thread that mentioned this topic (we have 2 threads going at the moment i think) that could help shed some light on the issue. If you are willing to look at more than what is presented by the media it could be an informative read.
That may be and what they do may be disgusting abuse, but it's not like it'll weight the election. I doubt anyone will give a ballot to someone trying to be registered as Kermit the Frog.
They don't have to. Kermit registers and asks for an absentee ballot, then sends it in. It's thrown into a computer along with the thousands of others, and counted, never really looked at by anyone because they're processing too many votes to pay attention.
What is the application process for obtaining an absentee ballot?
Ohio law provides separate application processes for different classifications of absentee voters (militia, armed services, overseas, etc.). In all cases, absentee ballots must be applied for in writing. If you are properly registered to vote, you must submit your written request to the board of elections of the county in which your voting residence is located. Your request must contain certain information (described in the following sections) and your original signature.
# Your name;
# Your signature;
# The address at which you are registered to vote;
# Your date of birth;
# One of the following items showing proof of your identification:
1. Your Ohio driver's license number; or
2. The last four digits of your Social Security number; or
3. A copy of your current and valid photo identification, military identification; or a current (within the last 12 months) utility bill (including cell phone bill), bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and current address (including from a public college or university).
Seems most of the states that have absentee ballots have same, if not harsher, regulations these days.
So basically without current and valid identification it's near improbable to commit voter fraud. They've been cracking down after previous concerns of voter fraud.
49 workers suspected of election fraud (
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=803756).
Inyri--in WI we are not required to show ID to vote. When I voted in the Dem primaries this spring, I went to my poll, gave the clerk my name, she checked to see if that name was in the book, and she gave me a ballot. That was it.
The only time someone has to show any kind of proof of residency is when they sign up with a person who is allowed to register people to vote, i.e. registrars. Anyone who can legally vote can sign up to be a registrar and register other people to vote--it's quite easy to do, because I was one about 15 years back.
In WI, someone who wants to commit election fraud can do it quite easily. He signs up as a registrar. He fills out a bunch of forms, using fake names and the last 4 digits of a bunch of social security numbers, and fills in addresses that he or his cohorts can receive mail at. WI doesn't cross-check SSNs against names. Say one of these fake people he signs up is Kermit Smith. He signs on the corroborator line saying that he's seen the documents that prove that "Kermit" has residency. He takes all these fake forms down to the county election office. Kermit gets put on the list of registered voters along with all the other fake voters that Mr. Fraud "signed up to vote".
Then all these 'fake voters', including 'Kermit' request absentee ballots. As long as they're already registered to vote in WI, they don't have to provide ID when they send in the ballot, per WI's own election rules. Mr. Fraud and cohorts fill in all these absentee ballots for these fake voters and send them in. Mr. Fraud can also round up a 'friend' to go to the polling place and say he's Kermit, and the nice clerk will look it up in the book, see that Kermit is a registered name, and hand Kermit a ballot. Kermit votes. Kermit has all day to vote in all the other districts where Mr. Fraud has signed up fake voters.
WI unfortunately has a system that makes it wide open for abuse, and the legislature here, sadly, has done very little to fix these problems.
I now know how to commit a felony, awesome.
Inyri--in WI we are not required to show ID to vote. When I voted in the Dem primaries this spring, I went to my poll, gave the clerk my name, she checked to see if that name was in the book, and she gave me a ballot. That was it.
Same here in Knoxville, TN. All they do is check to see if your name is in "the book". If you're name is there, you get to go push buttons.
If there are any suspected 'discrepancies' they'll ask to see your voter registration card. The scary part is, anyone with half decent Photoshop skills can make one. Mine is a simple brown cardstock (business card) with mundane information and a S.S. number (no picture). Trouble is, they don't cross-check the SS# listed, they just scan the card to see if it 'looks' legit. Not very 'secure' and does little to reassure me it's a deterrent from any fraud. :(
Granted, different states have different methods... but in TN, we have 11 Electoral votes. Definitely not a swing state.. but 11 votes is 11 votes (of 270 needed to win) that, imo, wouldn't be hard to manipulate if you had the resources.
In some states there is no way the situation can be anything other than voter fraud because there are more people registering than to population of the county. See Indianapolis, Indiana.
Oh and ACORN is involved there too.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1209468,obama-indiana-rally-mccain-100808.article)
http://texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/06/obamas-most-dangerous-tie-acorn/)
Oh and found something all the way back to 1995 that you have to dig through it but there is connections to ACORN brought up.
Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side. Conducting a session in a New Horizons classroom, Obama, tall and thin, looks very much like an Ivy League graduate student. Dressed casually prep, his tie loosened and his top shirt button unfastened, he leads eight black women from the Grand Boulevard community through a discussion of "what folks should know" about who in Chicago has power and why they have it. It's one of his favorite topics, and the class bubbles with suggestions about how "they" got to be high and mighty.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/)
And this was back in 1995, kinda shows Obama was more closely tied to ACORN than he and his campaign admit.
I suppose ACORN is involved with every dastardly evil in America, am I right?
ACORN is under investigation in multiple states for Voter Fraud. This is an extremely serious matter.
ACORN is under investigation in multiple states for Voter Fraud. This is an extremely serious matter.A Dose of Reality on the ACORN HysteriaBy Zachary Roth - October 13, 2008, 1:09PM
It's worth taking a moment to step back from the slew of charges leveled over the last week at ACORN, the community-organizing group that Republicans and the McCain campaign have been trying to turn into a bogeyman for fears about vote fraud (and, of course, tie to Barack Obama).
The GOP has accused ACORN of submitting fraudulent voter registration forms numbering in the hundreds or thousands, in battleground states including Ohio, Indiana, Nevada, and Missouri.
But the most important point that's getting lost in the Fox-generated hysteria is that, according to voting experts, even when fraudulent voter registration forms are submitted, they virtually never lead to fraudulent votes being cast. Richard Hasen, a law professor at Loyola and an authority on voting law, wrote in a 2007 op-ed published last year in the Dallas Morning News and noted recently by TPM, that "the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through the use of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible," because of the sheer logistical challenges it would require to carry out on a large scale.
In many states, ACORN is required by law to turn in all the forms it collects, though the law differs from state to law, according to experts.
ACORN has consistently said that it flags suspicious forms for election officials. Indeed, in Nevada where last week an ACORN office was raided in an investigation headed by the Secretary of State, ACORN was already cooperating with authorities.
According to a statement from the group which has not been disputed by state officials, in July, ACORN set up a meeting with county elections officials and the Secretary of State's office to urge them to take action on information ACORN had provided. Since then, "ACORN has provided officials with copies and--in some cases--second copies of many of the personnel records and the 'problem card packages' and cover sheets with which we originally identified the problem cards."
It's also worth noting that similar allegations were made against ACORN in the last few election cycles, and several investigations were conducted, none of which found evidence of widespread voter fraud. Many of these were conducted by US attorneys, who were pressured by GOP political figures to investigate the issue, then fired after they failed to come up with sufficient evidence.
So as the GOP campaign to make an issue out of ACORN continues -- and we'll be keeping you posted as it does -- remember that the number of fraudulent votes that will be cast in November as a result of the group's voter-registration activities is close to zero. But the number of valid voters who could potentially have obstacles placed in their way of voting, as a result of the Republican campaign, is far larger.
Please PM for the direct source (potential language concerns).
I don't really care what source you're using because the FBI is involved in investigating ACORN, called in by a Democrat from Nevada.
Also you can't tell me that this is a farce, because Indianapolis has more people registered to vote than are eligible to vote in the first place. A 105% voter registration?
You can't tell me that this is a farce because a Federal Judge has stepped in concerning ballots in Ohio.
Given how close elections have been of recent, voter fraud could throw this election in key states.
I addressed this failed argument way back in post #14. I'll simply repeat what I stated there and continue to wait patiently for a response.
I addressed this failed argument way back in post #14. I'll simply repeat what I stated there and continue to wait patiently for a response.
Yes and your post 14 doesn't bother to take into account the sources I gathered, nor does it take into account that 105% of eligible voters are registered in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Nor have you addressed the fact that the Obama Campaign donated $800,000 to get out the vote to ACORN.
ACORN Fraud & Obama Ties (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM708EjH0bs)
It speaks for itself.
Yes and your post 14 doesn't bother to take into account the sources I gathered, nor does it take into account that 105% of eligible voters are registered in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Nor have you addressed the fact that the Obama Campaign donated $800,000 to get out the vote to ACORN.This doesn't address post 14 either. Keep trying.
This doesn't address post 14 either. Keep trying.
Achilles, if you hadn't noticed Yar'El hauled in another source, a liberal one this time that is bringing up voter fraud, also I'm not going to repeat myself from what I said in my first few posts that completely contradict post 14.
A federal judge had to step in on the Ohio Secretary of State trying to get these fraudulent balots through, and there is testimony of ACORN getting people to register as many as 73 times in Ohio.
No, I don't see Yar-El's post, so I wouldn't have noticed.
If you actually understood what post 14 said, you'd realize that it has absolutely nothing to do with your first few posts. FBI investigation. Big...****ing...deal. That's what they do. That's their job. They investigate things. An investigation is not proof of guilt. It's proof of an investigation.
So, please, for the sake of your own credibility, stop waiving around "investigation" as evidence of wrongdoing.
GarfieldJL,
Some of Obama's followers are selectively blind. We can post a massive list of crimes, and a good chunk of Obama's flock will not see the evidence. Achilles must have my posts blocked, but I will not hold anything against him. He doesn't like my comments for some reason, and he is in his own right to ignore me. McCain is not a clean guy either; however, I know where he has been sleeping at night. Anyone votting for Obama after presenting all of our evidence is just blinded. We can list McCain's errors and faults, and they will pitch in on the lynching. Obama's questionable past, affiliations, and actual crimes don't matter to these people. Obama is a problem. Obama is a big problem. I don't think we are doing any justice here.
I still think these folks are genuine; however, I don't see any truth in this particular debate. I give Obama's followers deep respect for conviction. I wish you all good luck on election day. :)
Yar-El's source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM708EjH0bs)
CNN btw has a History of being to the left of center.
I find this voter fraud 'omg Obama is going to steal the election' business to be rather nonsensical. Why would Obama be concerned about committing voter fraud when every single poll has him up by sizable margins, and seven national polls give him a double digit advantage?
five thirty eight (
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com) gives McCain a scant 4% chance at winning this election.
I find this voter fraud 'omg Obama is going to steal the election' business to be rather nonsensical. Why would Obama be concerned about committing voter fraud when every single poll has him up by sizable margins, and seven national polls give him a double digit advantage?
five thirty eight (
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com) gives McCain a scant 4% chance at winning this election.
This election isn't over till election day (if even then with all the other stuff), and the ACORN thing could be a real game changer.
Th the ACORN thing could be a real game changer.I find it unlikely as the McCain campaign tried really hard to push it the last several weeks and it has done nothing but hurt them.
I find this voter fraud 'omg Obama is going to steal the election' business to be rather nonsensical. Why would Obama be concerned about committing voter fraud when every single poll has him up by sizable margins, and seven national polls give him a double digit advantage?
:nod: Even Fox News (
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/fox-news-poll-obama-46-mccain-39/)gives) Obama a 46 to 39 margin.
:nod: Even Fox News (
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/fox-news-poll-obama-46-mccain-39/)gives) Obama a 46 to 39 margin.
In McCain's first race for office he polled dead last at 4% for a while then came from behind...
His campaign was considered dead this time last year.
And I've been monitoring other sites, and the ACORN argument is starting to get traction.
And I've been monitoring other sites, and the ACORN argument is starting to get traction.Oh? Are any of them not extremely conservative sites? Because it doesn't really matter if the people who were already going to vote for McCain care about ACORN since they were going to vote for him regardless.
Oh? Are any of them not extremely conservative sites? Because it doesn't really matter if the people who were already going to vote for McCain care about ACORN since they were going to vote for him regardless.
So you mean to tell me that people aren't concerned that a candidate for President could be directly complicit in Voter Fraud, remember he paid them $800,000 then mislabled it in his report to the FEC.
I mean to tell you that most people are probably able to look at the polls and numbers and deduce that it is highly unlikely that voter fraud is at all necessary for Obama to win this election by a very sizable margin.
Additionally, I will take your lack of providing of sources to mean that the 'ACORN issue is gaining momentum' statement means that it is gaining momentum among the extremely conservative group who is grasping desperately at straws to try and slow down the momentum that Obama currently has. This of course has little relevance on whether or not it is influencing the undecided voters, which continued polls would indicate it is not.
Additionally, I will take your lack of providing of sources to mean that the 'ACORN issue is gaining momentum' statement means that it is gaining momentum among the extremely conservative group who is grasping desperately at straws to try and slow down the momentum that Obama currently has. This of course has little relevance on whether or not it is influencing the undecided voters, which continued polls would indicate it is not.
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In other related news...
MORE VOTER FRAUD (
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/montana_gop_chief_out_after_fa.php) (there is a section for comments here, so please be advised that some language may be inappropriate for children, thank you.) ...interesting quote... The commenters behaved and kept it clean enough so we could leave the link here. :) --Jae
Democrats in the state had gone to court to block the challenges. The Republicans withdrew them before a ruling was made, but not before the judge issued an order charging: "The timing of these challenges is so transparent that it defies common sense to believe the purpose is anything but political chicanery."
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