I don't really give if people riot or not, I don't want a left wing lunatic with ties to terrorists, radicals, and extremists to be President of the United States.

Right now I'd rather see Hillary in the White House over Obama.

Wow. Way to flame Obama & the democrats without making a factual statement whatsoever.

_EW_

Wow. Way to flame Obama & the democrats without making a factual statement whatsoever.

_EW_

Oh but it is true, does the name of William Ayers ring a bell, his state senate campaign started in this guy's home.

Or how about the organization of ACORN.

So maybe I am flaming the Democrats and Obama, I don't really care cause it's still true.

Terrorist Connections:
William Ayers + Wife

Radical Connections
Reverend Wright - Pastor for 20 years
Pastor Flagur (sp?)


I'm sure people can name others but but those are the first three I can list off the top of my head.

Oh but it is true, does the name of William Ayers ring a bell, his state senate campaign started in this guy's home.

I'm friends with a man that killed 2 other men with his bare hands outside a bar and did some of my schoolwork there. Does that make me and my education tainted?

Or how about the organization of ACORN.

Cutest activist group name ever

So maybe I am flaming the Democrats and Obama, I don't really care cause it's still true.


Hi, I live in America where we respect people and their culture. Where do you live? In your country is it customary to make wild correlations? I was always raised with the motto "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all", I think generally it means don't have ill intent in your spoken words.

Plus I'm like, this moderator type thing on this forum-majiggy. Here we have rules that claim no flaming, so if your lack of concern shows to members you may find your stay here a bit rocky.


Terrorist Connections:
William Ayers + Wife

I'm on the terrorist watch list. Plus I know people that were '60's activists too. I'm pretty sure a lot of people do.


Radical Connections
Reverend Wright - Pastor for 20 years

I believe he has stated that he does not share the sentiments of his former pastor. I can tell you the same, even though mine was a good mentor to me as well when I was into the Christianity thing.


I'm sure people can name others but but those are the first three I can list off the top of my head.
I'm sure we can criticize McCain's friends too, but that doesn't really do much except distract people from the real issues.

I'm friends with a man that killed 2 other men with his bare hands outside a bar and did some of my schoolwork there. Does that make me and my education tainted?Not unless you plan on running for POTUS. :xp:

I'm friends with a man that killed 2 other men with his bare hands outside a bar and did some of my schoolwork there. Does that make me and my education tainted?


Not really, because to my knowledge you haven't lied about your associations to that guy. Furthermore, all Obama's radical associations fit together to form a picture that isn't pretty.

Everyone has at least one bad association in their life, but if you have a pattern of bad associations over the course of your lifetime all of whom have similar viewpoints, would it be a stretch to say that you probably believe what they believe.


Cutest activist group name ever


They aren't a cute organization, ACORN has been in trouble in several states for voter fraud, because they have a history of registering people, pets, etc. that aren't elligible to vote. (Illegal Aliens, convicted felons, dead people, people that don't even exist, dogs, cats, etc.)


Hi, I live in America where we respect people and their culture. Where do you live? In your country is it customary to make wild correlations? I was always raised with the motto "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all", I think generally it means don't have ill intent in your spoken words.

Plus I'm like, this moderator type thing on this forum-majiggy. Here we have rules that claim no flaming, so if your lack of concern shows to members you may find your stay here a bit rocky.


But I'm not making any wild statements. For the record I'm not referring to all Democrats, just the current Democrat Presidential Candidate and the Leadership of the DNC.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/09/23/barack-obama-bill-ayers-stanley-kurtz-makes-connection)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426581,00.html)

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/09/why_did_a_musli.php)

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/hinzsight_story/david_hinz/2008/09/05/another_radical_khalid_abdullah_tariq_al_mansour_s) ponsored_barack_obama_into_harvard_law_s

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511)



I'm on the terrorist watch list. Plus I know people that were '60's activists too. I'm pretty sure a lot of people do.


But you are honest about your association though Obama was not, and it doesn't sound like you have a pattern of them.


I believe he has stated that he does not share the sentiments of his former pastor. I can tell you the same, even though mine was a good mentor to me as well when I was into the Christianity thing.


Uh you may want to look again at what he said, he changed his position several times on it.


I'm sure we can criticize McCain's friends too, but that doesn't really do much except distract people from the real issues.

I don't think McCain is personal friends with someone that says God d*** America!

I don't think McCain is personal friends with someone that says
God d*** America
Actually Garfield, I would almost be willing to bet he is. He's a former POW, he may have one or two friends that have said that at some point. Being in the military during the Vietnam conflict you are bound to end up with friends that may not be happy with the government. I'm friends with several people who have different views than myself. In some cases VERY different views. I'm even friends with people that like Jane Fonda too.

Actually Garfield, I would almost be willing to bet he is. He's a former POW, he may have one or two friends that have said that at some point. Being in the military during the Vietnam conflict you are bound to end up with friends that may not be happy with the government. I'm friends with several people who have different views than myself. In some cases VERY different views. I'm even friends with people that like Jane Fonda too.

Let me rephrase that, McCain isn't friends with and had that same individual be his religious mentor and father figure for 20+ years.

And if you're talking about friends that had possibly been tortured and all that, that's a big difference from spewing it in a church in the United States.

As of today, according to this website (http://www.270towin.com/simulation/), Obama doesn't look too shabby at all.

This (http://www.electoral-vote.com/) site puts Obama at around the same place, but counts a few different states differently. In either case, I'd say that Obama has taken the lead, for the time being. I wonder how the debate tonight will affect the polls?

As of today, according to this website (http://www.270towin.com/simulation/), Obama doesn't look too shabby at all.
So can we change the thread title to What if McCain loses? :xp:
This (http://www.electoral-vote.com/) site puts Obama at around the same place, but counts a few different states differently. In either case, I'd say that Obama has taken the lead, for the time being. I wonder how the debate tonight will affect the polls?
The debate can change the landscape if there is a major mess up by either candidate, but overall as long as the Economy is going down the drain the incumbent party is in trouble.

So can we change the thread title to What if McCain loses? :xp:White people get to be racist for a month without fear of reprisal, which includes one free saying of the n-word (variations such as "negro" do not count).

If Obama loses I will:

Step 1: Assume fetal position.

Step 2: Await an economic depression.

Step 3: Repeat step 1

Step 4: Laugh at anybody who voted for McCain.

Impressive lack of intestinal fortitude.

Impressive lack of intestinal fortitude.

I prefer to view it as the proper lack of faith in McCain. :p

Impressive lack of intestinal fortitude.He is a rogue.

If Obama Wins, I'll be in Germany for school. If he loses, I may just stay in Germany afterwards. I have no desire to live here under four to eight more years of Republican idiocy and hypocrisy.

That, and Palin might be president...which scares the piss out of me. Eff that.

If Obama loses I might actually drink an alcoholic drink for the first time to celebrate. Champaign anyone?

I have a swig with ya if he looses. I may have to try a beer if he wins.

Champaign anyone?Champaign's kind of a shabby town. Got some nice-looking cows, though.

I may have to try a beer if he wins.Stay away from that slop they call Budweiser or Miller and you'll be fine. For celebratory drinking I recommend a seasonal wheat (although avoid IPA's if you don't like bitter flavors) from a micro-brewery. It'll hit the spot! Mmm....

If Obama loses I suspect we'll get four more years of shrill lefties whining about how America is still racist and how they were cheated out of yet ANOTHER election. Let's hope the exit polls match the results this year so a bunch of partisan analysts don't assault us with the nonsequitur argument that such a difference proves that the election was stolen from their candidate. Regardless of who gets elected this cycle, they could prove to be a 1 term administration. We survived 4 years of malaise under Jimmy Carter (and 8 under Bush, to keep you lefties happy :D ), so I imagine we'll survive the next one too.

At the rate we're going we won't have to survive four years with a Republican president because we'll have a Democratic president.

Besides, it's not McCain I'm worried about. It's Palin. I was okay with McCain until he picked her for a running mate. I mean this isn't like 2004 where your options were Idiot #1 or Idiot #2. McCain's not a moron, he's just old and more prone to death, and he picked Idiot #3 to be his heir. >.>

Let's hope the exit polls match the results this year so a bunch of partisan analysts don't assault us with the nonsequitur argument that such a difference proves that the election was stolen from their candidate.

It's a sad indictment when that seems to be the immediate response from any losing side in an election nowadays - that they couldn't possibly of lost without the opponents resorting to underhanded tactics...

Of course we will. But that's alright, because the Race Card gets played so often, frankly, I don't think anyone really pays any attention to it anymore. Al Sharpton will make his typical spiel about how the Government just proved how much it hates the Black Man, and we'll get a few sycophants doing the head nod, and that will go on for the duration of McCain's administration.

What if Obama loses? Well, I guess the downward spiral of corruption and BS will continue unabated.




In other words, the exact same thing that will happen if he wins. :p

At the rate we're going we won't have to survive four years with a Republican president because we'll have a Democratic president.

Besides, it's not McCain I'm worried about. It's Palin. I was okay with McCain until he picked her for a running mate. I mean this isn't like 2004 where your options were Idiot #1 or Idiot #2. McCain's not a moron, he's just old and more prone to death, and he picked Idiot #3 to be his heir. >.>

Usual ad hominem toward her. Still, I'd never heard of her (except maybe once seeing her in a quick news interview) and would likely have picked someone else. Still, it's kind of ridiculous to resort to arguments like McCain is death prone (we all are). Further, as I recall, BO seems to think there are 57-58 states in the Union and Joe Biden said that FDR addressed the nation on national tv to calm people about the depression. There was no national tv at that time and FDR wasn't even president till 1932/3. So, who is the real idiot here afterall? 2 on one ticket or 1 (debatably) on the other? And to think Dan Quayle was excoriated over only adding a e to potato.... :rolleyes: Fact is, politicians are people who make gaffes and sometimes misstate facts. It doesn't make them idiots. Interviewers are notorious for leaving things on the editing floor that might reflect well on their "target" (nevermind cutting for time constraints).

Still, it's kind of ridiculous to resort to arguments like McCain is death prone (we all are)It certainly isn't ridiculous. We could all die any time, but most of us aren't quite as close to dying of old age as he is. Look at a picture of Clinton or Bush at their inauguration and then look at a picture of them now and see what the presidency does to you. I'm not certain McCain would survive that kind of radical aging.

Even after being shot, Reagan survived two terms. McCain's mother lives into her 90's. He may well be robust enough to survive one term intact, nevermind 2. Besides, given that some people might want to assassinate BO if he wins, maybe he should step down for the good of his country to avert a crisis should such a person/people succeed. Point is, the whole death argument is nothing more than "scare tactics", especially when wedded to the pov that SP is nothing more than basically a brain dead bimbo. Do you remember the old joke about DQ being GB's insurance policy?

The only thing that scares me is the idea that Palin has even a remote chance to be president. Because it is possible that McCain won't survive his term, whether you would like to admit it or not. Sure, Obama might not either for various reasons, but Biden doesn't scare the crap out of me like Palin does.

LOL Racism. What a card.

The only thing that scares me is the idea that Palin has even a remote chance to be president. Because it is possible that McCain won't survive his term, whether you would like to admit it or not. Sure, Obama might not either for various reasons, but Biden doesn't scare the crap out of me like Palin does. What are the chances of another JFK, but in this day and age? Well, Bush did almost die over a pretzel. We would have been the laughing stock of the world.

Biden doesn't scare the crap out of me like Palin does.

She shoots living creatures for fun - she clearly thinks nothing of slaughtering animals, so someone with such a cavalier attitude to life (any life) worries me a lot.

Honestly if no one shot Bush I don't know that anyone will bother with Obama. >.>

Obama didn't select Dick Cheney as his running mate.

"President Dick Cheney" was pretty much the ultimate life insurance policy for Bush.

Honestly if no one shot Bush I don't know that anyone will bother with Obama. >.>

2 words: President Cheney :whacked:

EDIT: :lol: damn, Achilles is reading my braaaiinz.. or maybe I'm reading his.. muwahahaha

2 words: President Cheney :whacked:

Those two words are enough to make any assassin rethink his or her actions. I should think that the same goes for "President Palin." :xp:

I have it from reliable sources that if McCain is elected, Death has agreed to take a four year hiatus out of fear of Sarah Palin with a "nucular" football.

I, personally, would be more afraid of her Education Policy, but both are pretty frightening.

PS: @ChAiNz - sick minds think alike, no?

I have it from reliable sources that if McCain is elected, Death has agreed to take a four year hiatus out of fear of Sarah Palin with a "nucular" football.

I, personally, would be more afraid of her Education Policy, but both are pretty frightening. :animelol:

Its three o'clock, the red phone rings, and a crisis starts to unfold. Palin replies to the caller, "Quick get the shotguns, the buck shots, and the horses." A slight pause lingures, and the other caller replies, "What does terrorism have to do with deer hunting?"

Its three o'clock, do you know where Palin's mind is? :giveup:

Brought to you by the NRA. "Because she didn't buy our type of bullets."

:lol:

Very Sensitive Issue: What If Obama Loses?
African-Americans thought he had no chance—then they started to believe. Now they fear defeat.


I'm late to the party I know so please forgive...

To quote my family (who are african american), "There is no way an African American well be elected president, but I'm still going to vote for him." They honestly think that America isn't ready for a minority leader which kinda saddens me a bit as I disagree, but I'm a different generation.

So, IMO...he loses and expectations are met...he wins and it exceeds expectations.

I'm not even going to bother with the article as I consider it sensationalist journalism as they are trying to create an issue that doesn't really exist IMO.

Besides this is irrelevant... It will take a miracle for McCain to win. Obama has a 349 to 174 electoral lead (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)... I'm not worried. :)

2 words: President Cheney :whacked:

EDIT: :lol: damn, Achilles is reading my braaaiinz.. or maybe I'm reading his.. muwahahaha

What, Cheney's NOT the prez?!?! :doh: Was under the impression that Dick was the dark lord himself and Bush merely the figurehead. :D (sort of like he was in TX, according to mimartin)

So.....besides not being pro-choice/abortion and a republican, what do you people REALLY have vs SP? She didn't do as well as she should have in two hack interviews? She doesn't see the federal govt as the solution to life's problems? Mostly, the criticism/cheap shots here seem to be of the p diddy variety or merely just vague fear mongering. Just trying to understand what's really going on in people's heads here. Once again, though, FTR I think both tickets are less than desirable. So, please don't bother responding (anyone) to this question if you're going to just resort to tired old cliches like "she's an idiot" or something similiarly supercilious.

Is "she doesn't seem to know anything" supercilious? Because I'm sure the slang for that would be "she seems to be an idiot" which, unfortunately, is how I feel about her based on various statements, interviews, and debates.

What do you base that on? She obviously knows enough to run a state. Which particular statements do you refer to? Did you watch any other interviews besides Couric and Gibson? Or are you letting any internal bias get in the way? Actually watched the entire veep debate and conclude there was no clear winner on either side. Did she answer all the questions? No. But I'm used to politicains never answering direct questions with direct answers, from either side of the aisle. Or, as both also did, giving an answer that wasn't entirely correct. Nothing new there either. She, like Obama in the 1st debate, was given the edge by the pundits b/c both parties (BO & SP) survived w/o any major stumbling.

Now, I do agree with your earlier statement that debates between people of either side don't have to result in personal cheap shots and embittered feelings. Don't have a bf (that'd be gay, not a slam, just a fact), but don't have trouble relating to liberal women either. I don't often agree with them, but I don't go away hating them either b/c of it.

I dislike her for several reasons, mainly the fact she said she didn't 'want to judge gay people' yet then voted against health benefits for them. I may have issues with that lifestyle, but I wouldn't treat people who follow it differently to others.

I dislike her for several reasons, mainly the fact she said she didn't 'want to judge gay people' yet then voted against health benefits for them. I may have issues with that lifestyle, but I wouldn't treat people who follow it differently to others.

Uh I've heard those stories by the mainstream media, however as people may have noticed the mainstream media has demonstrated that can't report even remotely be objective when it comes to Governor Palin putting it mildly.

She shoots living creatures for fun - she clearly thinks nothing of slaughtering animals, so someone with such a cavalier attitude to life (any life) worries me a lot.

Last I checked she eats the animals she shoots, it isn't just for fun, it's dinner. I know quite a few people whom are hunters that would take what you said a little personally.

Uh I've heard those stories by the mainstream media, however as people may have noticed the mainstream media has demonstrated that can't report even remotely be objective when it comes to Governor Palin putting it mildly.Prove their statements wrong instead of just dismissing them because you think they're biased kthx.


Last I checked she eats the animals she shoots, it isn't just for fun, it's dinner. I know quite a few people whom are hunters that would take what you said a little personally.She doesn't live in the middle of nowhere anymore, she's the governor of ****ing Alaska. She doesn't need to go out and kill things, she does it for sport.

Prove their statements wrong instead of just dismissing them because you think they're biased kthx.

Uh huh, have you looked at the Reuter's photos that tried to make it look like she was a stripper or something...




She doesn't live in the middle of nowhere anymore, she's the governor of ****ing Alaska. She doesn't need to go out and kill things, she does it for sport.

Maybe she has a taste for moose and wants to make sure it is fresh, I also heard she apparently laid off the cook because she thought it was a waste of taxpayer money.

Maybe she has a taste for moose and wants to make sure it is fresh, I also heard she apparently laid off the cook because she thought it was a waste of taxpayer money.

So she's never heard of a supermarket then?

So she's never heard of a supermarket then?

Still I don't see what your problem is with her preferring to hunt over shopping at the supermarket. Least she has better aim than Cheney.


Again though I think the better question would be what happens if Obama loses and what happens if he wins.

Either way we're probably looking at a lot of anger, one side due to the fact of rampant fraud that has been discovered, the other would be accusing people of being racist.

Has anyone ever considered that hunters are simply part of the food chain and that hunting is actually part of responsible stewardship of the land? Without natural predators (which have been practically wiped out here in the states) hunters become essential because the populations of certain species such as deer grow to the point that there is not enough food to sustain them, especially through the winter.

So use some of your vaunted empathy for the animals in question, put yourself in the deer's hooves and ask yourself, "Would I rather be shot, or starve to death?"

To me, it's kind of a no-brainer. ;)

That would be all well and good except that she shoots "natural predators" from helicopters too :D

Again, not that any of this has anything to do with her ability (or lack thereof) to lead.

I'd rather a hunter be in the White House than a man that is tied to an organization that commits voter fraud.

When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, "I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC7zm)

On his own website no less.