Is Carth secretly Force Sensative?
No I am not saying he is a jedi or he can do things with the Force, but I think maybe he is Force Sensative to a certain (weak) degree.

Reason? Rakghouls.

Well, as we know it now, the infection affects humans (that are non Force Sensative) only. And as we know it thru the game, Carth is immune to it. Well, Revan too but he is a Jedi, and Mission/bigZ are not humans.

So Carth has been beating up them beasties without getting infected... that might be the reason.

I think he might be. Not because of the rakghoul thing, but for a few other reasons. There are a bunch of little things that just don't add up--his unusual intuition, for example. He can see Force ghosts. His son becomes a Dark Jedi (though it's possible Dusty got that from his mother). He's from Telos, which was founded by Jedi outcasts. Lots of little things. There's no proof either way, but I think it's possible.

Did I miss something about rakghouls? :confused:

There's also something in K2 that might lend credence to FS Carth:

Carth says to Bastila: "And after meeting the exile, I'm convinced that there are worse things to lose in the galaxy." Carth could feel the sense of loss in the Exile.

Did I miss something about rakghouls? :confused:

There's also something in K2 that might lend credence to FS Carth:

Carth says to Bastila: "And after meeting the exile, I'm convinced that there are worse things to lose in the galaxy." Carth could feel the sense of loss in the Exile.

Are you sure that's not a reference to him loosing his wife/(perhaps Dustil), than it is being FS)?

Are you sure that's not a reference to him loosing his wife/(perhaps Dustil), than it is being FS)?

Yeah, pretty sure it means what I said. He's saying that there are worse things to lose than those you love. :)

Did I miss something about rakghouls? :confused:
It was revealed in the first Vector arc that the disease has no affect on aliens or Force sensitives. Still, I don't think it means anything; Canderous never got the disease.

Carth says to Bastila: "And after meeting the exile, I'm convinced that there are worse things to lose in the galaxy." Carth could feel the sense of loss in the Exile.
Yeah, that was my impression as well.

That line could mean anything.

It was revealed in the first Vector arc that the disease has no affect on aliens or Force sensitives. Still, I don't think it means anything; Canderous never go the disease.

That is the lamest thing I have ever heard, I can't remember who said it but I'll quote them, "Who writes the EU now, monkeys?" Since in game it's said repeatedly that anyone infected with the disease gets mutated. :rolleyes:

That line could mean anything.
Eh...I suppose. Like I said, there's no real proof either way.
That is the lamest thing I have ever heard, I can't remember who said it but I'll quote them, "Who writes the EU now, monkeys?" Since in game it's said repeatedly that anyone infected with the disease gets mutated. :rolleyes:
It's actually not as dumb as it sounds. Well, the disease not affecting Force sensitives isn't as dumb as it sounds. The rest is actually much worse. :xp:

I wouldn't be surprised if Carth had some force sensativity. I mean he was a great pilot, and his son was a force sensative. I think that to some degree, Carth is force sensative.

though it's possible Dusty got that from his mother.
Well, to me it would be implied that he got this trait from his father. We don't know hardly anything about Carth's wife. However, I'm not disregarding that it could have been from his mother. :)

I think it's at least plausible, for the reasons that Melly and JCarter listed. It also fits with the general KotOR theme (more-so in TSL).

Is "sensitive" spelled differently in the UK or something?

Canderous never got the disease.



Thats cuz he's Mandalorian.
Mandalorians evolved differently from humans.

Nope, Mandies can get the plague too. In fact, every single person in Vector who gets the plague--save one--is a Mandalorian.

You know, you can't forget that to some extent or another, everyone in the Star Wars galaxy is Force sensitive. I don't think Carth is any kind of special case.

Interesting points. Still, it doesn't really change anything, does it?

His intuition could be attributed to the force, but seems someone Han Solo-ish (i.e. "I've gotta bad feeling about this..."). Who knows, there have been some Jedi who were more into flying/piloting back in the day (or should I say in the future) Plo Koon and or Saesse Tiin (sp?).

I've said it many times in the past that I believe that Carth is Force sensitive. Not all Force sensitives get trained in the ways of the Jedi.

I wouldn't be surprised if Carth had some force sensativity. I mean he was a great pilot, and his son was a force sensative. I think that to some degree, Carth is force sensative.


Well, to me it would be implied that he got this trait from his father. We don't know hardly anything about Carth's wife. However, I'm not disregarding that it could have been from his mother. :)

His mother was Arren Kae ;) :p

I think Carth most likely was FS, I think its hinted at the Han Solo was FS and he isn't trained to be a Jedi.

Yeah, pretty sure it means what I said. He's saying that there are worse things to lose than those you love. :)

Sorry wires crossed my end, I thought you were saying the opposite :)

He does have an unusual affinity for Jedi, if you think about it....

First, het let's Zayne Carrick escape (in the eyes of the Republic a wanted criminal) and takes the visions Zayne has seriously.
Then, at the Ascada negotiations, he again 'foresees' trouble and brings Zayne his equipment after which Zayne, with some help,(violently) saves the day.

And a few years later, he AGAIN finds himself in the company of famous Jedi, this time Revan and Bastilla.

It's actually a very interesting thought, Carth force sensative... :)

It's a possibility. Why did he kept that fact secret on the whole K1, however?

I was thinking the same thing... if he is force sensitive, is it really "secretive" or is it just unknown? Perhaps he doesn't realize his force sensitivity.

Why did he kept that fact secret on the whole K1, however?

There's three possibilities there:

He dislikes Jedi, or at least doesn't fully trust them, so he probably wouldn't want to turn his life over into their hands.

He doesn't know.

Or he's not Force sensitive enough to be trained as a Jedi, but has enough sensitivity to have a higher perception and intuition than your average Joe.

There's three possibilities there:

He dislikes Jedi, or at least doesn't fully trust them, so he probably wouldn't want to turn his life over into their hands.

He doesn't know.

Or he's not Force sensitive enough to be trained as a Jedi, but has enough sensitivity to have a higher perception and intuition than your average Joe.
Personally I think the most likely scenario is a combination of options 2 and 3. He has a higher perception and intuition than your average Joe, but doesn't know it; at least not to the point where he believes he's force sensitive.

He dislikes Jedi, or at least doesn't fully trust them, so he probably wouldn't want to turn his life over into their hands.
That's pretty unlikely, IMO; the Jedi were low on knights, true, but training one takes a life and Carth himself is far too old (don't mention Revan here, we all know he wasn't trained during K1 in fact).

He doesn't know.
Is that even possible? If he doesn't know, poking around so many jedi on the Hawk and Dantooine would surely reveal it.
Or he's not Force sensitive enough to be trained as a Jedi, but has enough sensitivity to have a higher perception and intuition than your average Joe.
And enough to not be poisoned by Rakghouls. Makes sense to me.

Is that even possible? If he doesn't know, poking around so many jedi on the Hawk and Dantooine would surely reveal it.

Sure it's possible. Harry Potter didn't know he was a wizard until Hagrid told him. :lol:

Seriously, though, if all people are force-users in their own right, naturally there's a section of the spectrum that includes people with higher levels of sensitivity than average, but not high enough to notice they are force sensitive.

Sure it's possible. Harry Potter didn't know he was a wizard until Hagrid told him. :lol:


And Revan him/herself didn't until Bastila told him/her. But that's that: someone would have told him.

And Revan him/herself didn't until Bastila told him/her. But that's that: someone would have told him.
With both Revan and Harry, someone else already knew. Who would have known with Carth?

And what would be the point of telling him he was Force sensitive if he wasn't strong enough in it to be trained as a Jedi?

Carth is as much a Force-Sensitive as Wedge

When I first played through the game I thought he may of been Force Sensitive. I think part of the reason is because of his behaviour throughout the game, I mean the way he acts, just says to me he's Force Sensitive. But that could just be me. :)

Carth is as much a Force-Sensitive as Wedge
I agree. Every pivotal character doesn't have to be Force sensitive. There are people in real life who have great intuition just from a practical view of things.

And it was mentioned, he's had run ins with Jedi all the time. How could all of them not sensed his potential? At one point he was even at an enclave full of them.

Personally, I like to think of him as a plain old guy-of-the-mundane-world-variety, as the NPCs of KOTOR and TSL are stuffed with Jedi as it is. It's nice to have someone who's dead to it, or at least relatively dead to it. A sort of Jagged Fel type character.

Being a bit FS doesn't mean he can be FS enough to be a Jedi/Sith/etc. It just means that he is a bit more "iffy" than the mundane. And really, even if the Jedis can sense it, it might be too weak of any importance to both Carth himself and the Council to be of any use, so its not something worth mentioning. Even thru training his potental might be so limited that the best he could do would be simple stuff like guessing the color of underwear from people he come accross or other trival things.

Well, except that it does save him from rakgouls, and he would probably attract them vornskr 'hounds should he ever see one.

On Rakgouls. If they bite you, you will get inflicted with the disease. Well, your party member will probably get bitten for more than once when fighting them during the game. At the time I think your choice of members are Revan(jedi), Carth(???), Mission(hot jb Twi'lek) and later Big Z(oversized ewok)

The FS theory explains why Carth is not mutated after being bitten(if any)

That is the lamest thing I have ever heard, I can't remember who said it but I'll quote them, "Who writes the EU now, monkeys?" Since in game it's said repeatedly that anyone infected with the disease gets mutated. :rolleyes:

Well, in a humanocentric world "anyone" probably means "any human", which is what composes of the npc you meet in the undercity anyways. The theory also explains why the pig heads are not mutated even as they run around half naked in the sewage battling 'gouls with melee weapons.

Force sensitives are rare enough, and are probably not considered in normal researches, and Jedis ... no one dares to do research on them and see if they can be inflicted yet.

Nope, Mandies can get the plague too. In fact, every single person in Vector who gets the plague--save one--is a Mandalorian.

The Disease in Vector is a *much more* powerful version.

The Disease in Vector is a *much more* powerful version.
Yeah, except the "much more powerful" version can't infect non-humans or Force sensitives either. In any case, Canderous isn't a Mandalorian, so it makes no difference either way.

Yeah, except the "much more powerful" version can't infect non-humans or Force sensitives either. In any case, Canderous isn't a Mandalorian, so it makes no difference either way.

Depends on your Definition of what makes a 'Mando. Though I am not going to open "that can of worms" about Culture vs Species. But generally Canderous is considered to be Of Clan Ordos as per Mandalorian culture. And it seems that, from the comic, that the Mandalorians are accepting many species into their clans as long as they fight well and learn their culture. This kind of friendlyness to other species are quite unmatched in the Galactic Republic.

Mandalorians are a culture, not a species. Canderous is a (presumably) human belonging to the Mandalorian culture, Ordo Clan. The fact that Canderous doesn't get the disease is probably more likely down the gameplay imperatives. If the story were novelised, i doubt that Canderous would be bitten, thus rendering his actual species and vulnerability a moot point.

I'm talking genetically here. Canderous is human. Carth is human as well. They both were in the Undercity, and both fought raks. Neither was infected. Not becuase Carth is FS and because Canderous is a Mandie, but because neither were bitten. As I said, the raks are completely irrelevant.

Not to mention that in game my PC went looking for that missing patrol that the Sith patrol you encounter tells you about, in the hopes of finding rakghoul serum. :xp:

Thing is, candy is an uncontrolable NPC in the undercity, so the way the story goes he can remain unbitten, due to his armor(aka those melee shield thingy) and whatever it is.

Carth is player controlled, and it is more than likely that he would be attacked and bitten in the hands of a player (esp ones that would do fun things like run the characters around nikkid, like what I did with Mission)