What do you want to do with that hyperdrive engine?

What do you want to do with that hyperdrive engine?
Obviously, Ray if Heim's Quantum Gravity theory physics is true in our universe, I want to explore the Milky Way.
Or as they say in Star Trek, seek out new life and new civilizations and boldly go where no man has gone before". :)

So, where will you mount the hyperdrive engine?

^^^Some things might best be left to the imagination...

So, where will you mount the hyperdrive engine?
Well, depending on this size of the torus (donut shape) ring, which can range 1-6 meters in radius can be mounted in different sizes of space vehicles(yet to be build spacecraft).

I think a torus ring of about 1 meters in radius(or 2 meters in diameter) can be structured inside the space shuttle.

Ah, and the space shuttle is actually a craft capable of leaving the solar system? And I thought it isn't even able to get us to the moon.

Ah, and the space shuttle is actually a craft capable of leaving the solar system? And I thought it isn't even able to get us to the moon.
I just was giving a example, that the hyperdrive engine the engineers of Heim's Quantum Gravity theory proposes, is not to big to be put inside a more capable spacecraft than the shuttle.

For the space shuttle to be a truely capable of interstellar travel.
First: it will have to have a nuclear reactor to power a strong magnetic field to deflect charge interstellar radiation like in stellar winds; solar wind proton plasma, charge cosmic radiation ;cause by supernova explosions, rotating neutron stars, radio galaxies(that are very luminous at radio wavelengths), quasars( old galaxies that have a feeding supermassive black hole]) and cosmic radiation comes from black hole's extremely strong magnetic fields as observation and theory suggestes at the moment; cosmic rays are 90% very high speed protons moving at about 149,025 mi/s close to the speed of light or 80% the speed of light.
A space vehicle or the space shuttle would also need to be protected from high density intersellar medium gas and dense plasma nebulae gas and without a doubt a cold plasma shield technology would be needed to absorb highly intense radiation that is not charge like gamma radiation or other unknown high energy radiation that may exist in the Milky Way and the universe; x-rays is high speed electrons & beta radiation is slow speed electrons or a positrons(antimatter) so can be deflected with a magnetic field.
A nuclear reactor may also perferred to power high thrust ion engines for sublight propuslion for a failsafe if negative graviphoton propulsion is offline.
Second: the space shuttle will probably have to be refitted and sized up a bit to put in a small nuclear reactor or reactors (that currenly occupy navy ships and nuclear subs) and for huge amount of food stuffs for long interstellar or intergalactic voyages; the physics of hyperspace susggest that Miguel Alcubierre warpdrive is to slow for intergalactic travel, hell the calculations I have done and that I have seen in physical review letters suggest it is way to slow and energy intensive compare to hyperdrive FTL propulsion for long interstellar voyages in this galaxy.

Hm. How much of these needed space shuttle modifications are there already realised, or in progress, or planned at all? Do we have effective shield technology at hand? And by effective I think it should at least have been half an our in let's say Mercury's orbit to be of any use.
Or, do we have tested and established small space craft nuclear reactors? How much of the needed "hardware" for a space craft that is actually useful for use together with a hyperdrive-engine is already developed tested and waiting for action?

Hm. How much of these needed space shuttle modifications are there already realised, or in progress, or planned at all? Do we have effective shield technology at hand? And by effective I think it should at least have been half an our in let's say Mercury's orbit to be of any use.
Or, do we have tested and established small space craft nuclear reactors? How much of the needed "hardware" for a space craft that is actually useful for use together with a hyperdrive-engine is already developed tested and waiting for action?
Hell, with all the secrets to U.S. military has, the U.S. government probably already have a starship for all we know, Ray. :)

Hell, with all the secrets to U.S. military has, the U.S. government probably already have a starship for all we know, Ray. :)

So we have the technology, but the military won't give it to Nasa because...?

Yes, and with all this knowledge and tech and thus possibilities they have nothing better to do than err.. nothing but keeping it secret so nobody knows?

[edit] Eh, Tyrion, 'sup?

So we have the technology, but the military won't give it to Nasa because...?
You are really sh*ting yourself Tyrion if you believe the military is not interested in having a starfleet.
The U.S. military have gotten interested in Heim's Quantum Gravity Theory for it's application toward Hyperdrive FTL propulsion.
Also NASA is apart of the U.S. government so some employes at NASA maybe working on secret technology. :)
And also NASA is not always straight with the public; like their denial or their reluctance to acknowledge the UFO reports that some of it's astronauts have been reporting over the years.
So, NASA
have dirty hands too, when it come to telling the truth, Tyrion. :)

You are really sh*ting yourself Tyrion if you believe the military is not interested in having a starfleet.
The U.S. military have gotten interested in Heim's Quantum Gravity Theory for it's application toward Hyperdrive FTL propulsion.
Also NASA is apart of the U.S. government so some employes at NASA maybe working on secret technology. :)
And also NASA is not always straight with the public; like their denial or their reluctance to acknowledge the UFO reports that some of it's astronauts have been reporting over the years.
So, NASA
have dirty hands too, when it come to telling the truth, Tyrion. :)

Yes, but there's a great deal of difference between showing an interest and actually possessing the technology. There's absolutely no evidence that the military or any branch of the government has inter-galactic space ships, if only because we haven't been hearing sonic booms that could shatter mountains. And yes, those ships would be making quite the noise considering they'd have to travel out of the atmosphere fast enough to not be noticed by anyone.

Speaking of which, wouldn't that mean each one would need a nuclear reactor each just to power the sucker? What'd happen if the initiation sequence went boink and was sent in reverse? Man, I'd hate to be the PR spokesman who'd have to deal with the double whammy of both the revelation of extragalactic technology and the fact that there's a giant city-size hole in the middle of the desert.

('Sup Ray)

Yes, but there's a great deal of difference between showing an interest and actually possessing the technology.
Can be for sure can you.
There's absolutely no evidence that the military or any branch of the government has inter-galactic space ships, if only because we haven't been hearing sonic booms that could shatter mountains.
Well, you keep believing that lie, Tyrion. :lol:
The gigantic UFOs that pilots report maybe U.S. starships and not alien in origin.
And yes, those ships would be making quite the noise considering they'd have to travel out of the atmosphere fast enough to not be noticed by anyone.

And no, if they are using antigravity or a plasma induction field there will be no sonic booms, with antigravity one can move air aside and fly in a vaccum, that won't produce any shock wave and a hot plasma induction field can ionize the air or heat it enough to cause a expansion wave that will act to negate a build up of pressure in front a vehicle that leads to producing a shock wave.

Also by ionizing the air molecules(with a sufficient electrical charge imbalance) one could use a sufficiently strong magnetic field to deflect air to lower the air density around the flow field of a vehicle that will lower pressure that acts to produce a shockwave.
Speaking of which, wouldn't that mean each one would need a nuclear reactor each just to power the sucker? What'd happen if the initiation sequence went boink and was sent in reverse? Man, I'd hate to be the PR spokesman who'd have to deal with the double whammy of both the revelation of extragalactic technology and the fact that there's a giant city-size hole in the middle of the desert.
For all we know they may have some alien technology that maybe much more powerful even than anitmatter or E=mc^2 energy. :)

Can be for sure can you.

What?

Well, you keep believing that lie, Tyrion. :lol;
The gigantic UFOs that pilots report maybe U.S. starships and not alien in origin.

Or they could be visual phenomenon and misidentification, which is by far much more likely.

And no, if they are using antigravity or a plasma induction field there will be no sonic booms, with antigravity one can move air aside and fly in a vaccum, that won't produce any shockwave and aplasma induction field can ionize the air or heat it enough to cause a expanion wave that will act to negate a build up pressure in front a vehicle that produce a shockwave.

Keep it simple. Once you start adding in plasma induction fields (which, presumably, could be used inside rifles or at least tanks. I wonder why we haven't stuck a few of those babies on some Abrams, eh?) and anti-gravity generators, it brings to light the question of why none of those technologies have diffused into common knowledge and use.

For all we know they may have some alien technology that maybe much more powerful even than anitmatter or E=mc^2 energy. :)

Er, what? Now you're breaking the foundations of all established physics. Practically every scientist since 1905 would be rolling in their grave if E=mc^2 was proven false. Besides which, if we did have just abundant sources of energy why would we be fighting in Iraq essentially for obsolete oil fuel?

What?

Can you be for sure that the U.S. military don't possesses starships, since they have massive secrets?

Or they could be visual phenomenon and misidentification, which is by far much more likely.

Misidentification! :lol:

Keep it simple. Once you start adding in plasma induction fields (which, presumably, could be used inside rifles or at least tanks. I wonder why we haven't stuck a few of those babies on some Abrams, eh?) and anti-gravity generators, it brings to light the question of why none of those technologies have diffused into common knowledge and use.
I was explaining that the physics is possible to negate shockwave effects. :)


Er, what? Now you're breaking the foundations of all established physics. Practically every scientist since 1905 would be rolling in their grave if E=mc^2 was proven false. Besides which, if we did have just abundant sources of energy why would we be fighting in Iraq essentially for obsolete oil fuel?
Well, all established physics foundations will be broken once we start exploring the universe. :)
It maybe the case that the right side of the U.S. government don't know what the hell the left side is doing.

But I was saying that a conversion factor t>>1, no units in E=tmc^2
maybe needed for possible unknown energy properties that maybe found in this universe with some unknown matter. :)

The gigantic UFOs that pilots report maybe U.S. starships
So, again (and due to a lacking response to my post), the military *has* a better spacecraft than the spaceshuttle, with probably valuable deep space technology, and it's not using it exactly why?

So, again (and due to a lacking response to my post), the military *has* a better spacecraft than the spaceshuttle, with probably valuable deep space technology, and it's not using it exactly why?
They may have several spacecraft better than the spaceshuttle and how can you be absolutely sure they are not using it ?
They have massive secrets, Ray. :)

Did I say they don't use it? I didn't say they don't use it. I asked you, why do you think they have advanced space craft technology and are not using it.

Did I say they don't use it? I didn't say they don't use it. I asked you, why do you think they have advanced space craft technology and are not using it.
I already believe the military are flying highly advance spacecraft, some of those UFOs that people see maybe advance military spacecraft flown by test pilots who do black projects.

A jet that gets the enemy good and blowd up better does NOT mean the government can travel to distant stars.

Jesus. Relax off the science fiction novels.

I already believe the military are flying highly advance spacecraft, some of those UFOs that people see maybe advance military spacecraft flown by test pilots who do black projects.
Then what are you complaining about if we actually *have* and are *using* superior space technology?

How can you be sure that, somewhere in another solar system, possibly even right now, there is not a human craft attempting to have a touch down on some rocky planet?

A jet that gets the enemy good and blowd up better does NOT mean the government can travel to distant stars.

Jesus. Relax off the science fiction novels.
Well, you keep believing that I'm not going to argue with you. :)
Also science fiction is becoming science that's all I got to say, Datheus.

*ehemehemehem*

Windu6, what are you complaining about if we actually *have* and are *using* superior space technology?

How can you be sure that, somewhere in another solar system, possibly even right now, there is not a human craft attempting to have a touch down on some rocky planet?

Then what are you complaining about if we actually *have* and are *using* superior space technology?
It's very obvious what I'm complaining about they keep this stuff secret.
How can you be sure that, somewhere in another solar system, possibly even right now, there is not a human craft attempting to have a touch down on some rocky planet?
Of course, I can't be completely sure I'm not in the loop, concerning the secrets of the U.S. government; I'm speculating that some of those UFOs probably have the U.S Airforce or U.S. Navy seal on them.

Jim Goodall a aviation expert pose a question concerning whats at Area 51 to Ben Rich a now decease former vice president and was head propulsion engineer of 'Skunk Works' that developed the U-2 spyplane and SR-71 Blackbird and F-117 Stealth fighter.

Jim Goodall : "Ben Rich told me twice before he died: 'We have things at Area 51 that you and the best minds in the world won't even be able to conceive that we have for 30 or 40 years, and won't
be made public for another 50.' A friend of mine at Lockheed told me: 'We have things in the Nevada desert that are alien to your way of thinking -- far beyond anything you see on Star Trek.'
One time I interviewed a retired senior master sergeant who had been at Groom Lake three different times as an Air Force safety specialist. ... At first he was real nervous, but when he warmed up he told me: 'We have things that would make George Lucas envious.' I know one retired guy who worked at Lockheed for 30 years, most of the time at Area 51 ; he's very proud of what he's done, and he wants the story of the place to be told so that his grandchildren will have some idea of what he was involved in. In the summer of '86 I asked him if he believes in UFOs. He said, They absolutely, positively do exist !' I said, 'Can you expand on that?' And he said, 'No, I've said too much as it is.' "

So, something maybe is going on out there at Groom Lake.
That is really fascinating!

It's very obvious what I'm complaining about they keep this stuff secret.No you didn't:
One main thing that stop all human progress is our strong dependency on money, if money was no issue we will probably colonizing the Milky Way right now.
As along as money determine our fate in the galaxy we will be stuck on this planet for 10,000s of years, never to leave until over population force us to leave.
[...]
The physics is there, money and laziness of our society only holds us back.

I cannot find such statement.. Actually you came up with the "military's keepin' it secret argument" not before post #59.

More obviously you mocked the "fact" that we (mankind) have not reached out to travel into distant space.

Right now you say that "they" probably or even almost for sure already have technology for space travel (and even starships) at hand. But wouldn't that mean we're into space travel already? And if that's so, wouldn't be the only logical thing to do be to actively use it for what it's been made for?

So basically, if anyone on this planet has constructed a cool space craft with whateveritscalledfasttravellingtechnology, I'll bet my life any time, it has been used already, hence your argumentation about laziness would be not correct.

No you didn't:
I cannot find such statement.. Actually you came up with the "military's keepin' it secret argument" not before post #59.
You must have not seen my previous old thread:Who believe that the world's militaries may have been secretly builing star fleets? (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=170562) I been speculating about this since 09-15-2006, 10:53 PM.
More obviously you mocked the "fact" that we (mankind) have not reached out to travel into distant space.
Yes, I mock the fact, it's ridiculous.


So basically, if anyone on this planet has constructed a cool space craft with whateveritscalledfasttravellingtechnology, I'll bet my life any time, it has been used already, hence your argumentation about laziness would be not correct.
There are lazy people who don't want expedite matters to fast concerning interstellar travel.
They want delay it for generations and solve every single problem here first, or they don't care about interstellar travel
Leave that matter 50 years or so in the future, as the opinions they have.

Where is the logic when you mock the fact that mankind's not up to leave for space adventures but also state that there are already space crafts available, which also are at least underlying the process of being tested?

Where is the logic when you mock the fact that mankind's not up to leave for space adventures but also state that there are already space crafts available, which also are at least underlying the process of being tested? Ok, Ray some in our society, who experiment with secret technology are up to it. :)

Yeah, and basically you're just jealous because you're not one of them. ;

Yeah, and basically you're just jealous because you're not one of them. ;
:lol: You're damn right I'm jealous, I'm not going to lie about that, if personal stuff didn't happen in my life I would probably flying Airforce black projects.

But there are some in our society that act lazy or uninspired concerning interstellar travel.
Wait long times, as the position they holds, thats impossible; that will never happen, thats a long time off, thats why they call it science fiction etc.
Uninspired and lazy!

Yeah, and basically you're just jealous because you're not one of them. ;

Hmmm sure I am, in some way. But then again I know I won't be doing it, even if that is available for me. A journey like that wwould be my lifetime, and I know my love will not be going, even if she can.

On the other hand, Humans are really not ready for space travel, even if we have the technology. Think about it. On the rare occasion that we would meet another sentient species... *cough cough*

I mean, lets hope that what whatever species we met would be way more advance than us, or I am darn sure we would pretty much beat the daylight out of them and enslave/exploit them, if they are lucky enough not to get a total genocide. Ordos Xenos...

But practically, is it worth it to pull out the great adventure, when many of the planets on this little solar system is not even well explored? Hack, we did not even finish exploring deep oceans yet.

On the other hand, Humans are really not ready for space travel, even if we have the technology. Think about it. On the rare occasion that we would meet another sentient species... *cough cough*
The readiness of socitey respect ot interstellar travel depends on this relation readiness~= reluctance/money x laziness if it cost more money or we give up too easily because it is to hard a task(laziness) we are not ready now or ever.
More reluctance we have; not give up on a hard task or worry about money issue, the more ready we are.
I mean, lets hope that what whatever species we met would be way more advance than us, or I am darn sure we would pretty much beat the daylight out of them and enslave/exploit them, if they are lucky enough not to get a total genocide. Ordos Xenos...

Well, if that happen we would have a interstellar war on our hands. :lol:
But practically, is it worth it to pull out the great adventure, when many of the planets on this little solar system is not even well explored? Hack, we did not even finish exploring deep oceans yet.

The only spheres I believe that is worth exploring in this star system is Jupiter's moons Europa and Callisto (maybe a global ocean underneath their crust), Saturn's moon Titan( it's the only moon that has a thick atmosphere and maybe have life under it's surface, of unknown composition).

*BUMP*

Ahhh... I've missed this thread.

:)

I wonder what has happened in the research on these matters in the intervening months since this thread was abandoned. (It seems that the thread-starter and greatest advocate of these theories has been banned... so it's unlikely we'll get any kind of answer.)

I re-read this one today,.. with all the extra perspective of the world economy currently in near free-fall... and the fact that Space Exploration is probably destined to take a bit of a back seat for a few years until the world governments can shore up the hemorrhaging financial markets.

It seems to me that we have almost certainly added several years (if not decades...) to being able to fund the kind of manned exploration of even our own solar system that it would take to prepare for any kind of mass colonization of the stars.

Reality strikes again...