Within healthy discussion in another thread of this forum another question was raised: Did Bastila recognise the republic officer as Revan in Taris? Did she know it from the very beginning?

EDIT: I know Revan and Bastila has a bond between them so Bastila probably could feel it. But no one can tell if she was sure. What I'm really trying to discuss is whether the Jedi Council let her know already, whether Bastila had been TOLD that "This is Revan. Keep an eye on him."

When I say the negative, here's why:
1) "Have you heard of a little thing called 'The Force'?" If she knew he's Revan, I just find it a bit scary she's having this condescending attitude, no matter how much of a "grunt" Revan was in Taris.

2) "Isn't you the republic soldier transferred to the Endar Spire?" Yes, Bastila exclaimed. But her exclamation came out smoothly and naturally. She wasn't like, "Isn't you...isn't you the republic soldier transferred to the Endar Spire?"
If she really knew, as a reflex, wouldn't she at least stumble a bit like later she did in the game? Note that she stumbled even in some later conversation, I don't understand why she managed to suppress her shock when she FIRST saw Revan.

3) She fierily accused Revan and Malak in Taris, showed no hesitation in discussing their deeds. But later after the course of Danatooine, she seemed to show much reserve when the topic involved Revan. If Bastila knew, wouldn't she want to avoid talking too much of Revan least he remembers something?

4) It's argued that Bastila mentioning Revan's force potentials in the beginning is suspicious. Somone even thinks she had a "blow on the head" when she did that. *smirks* But what she said, approximately, was this: "No one would have come this far without the help of the Force". Well, attributing the success of Revan to the Force would just be another way to boast herself, she being a force-sensitive. Thus I can see all the reason why she said that, even if she wasn't aware it's Revan she's talking to.

Also, Revan WAS strong in the Force. Bastila being a jedi was just natural to have felt this and spelt it out. In fact, if she didn't mention ANYTHING about Revan's connection to the Force, THAT would be suspicious.

5) Even from the visions, we don't know if Bastila unmasked Revan on the bridge. She saved him through the Force, not a kiss. :D

Discuss please.

I think ur topic should contain a "SPOILER" on the title, but here it goes:

Within healthy discussion in another thread of this forum another question was raised: Did Bastila recognise the republic officer as Revan in Taris? Did she know it from the very beginning?

When I say the negative, here's why:
1) "Have you heard of a little thing called 'The Force'?" If she knew he's Revan, I just find it a bit scary she's having this condescending attitude, no matter how much of a "grunt" Revan was in Tari.

She was young and headstrong and that is her way to act, you know.

2) "Isn't you the republic soldier transferred to the Endar Spire?" Yes, Bastila exclaimed. But her exclamation came out smoothly and naturally. She wasn't
like, "Isn't you...isn't you the republic soldier transferred to the Endar Spire?"
If she really knew, as a reflex, wouldn't she at least stumble a bit like later she did in the game? Note that she stumbled even in some later conversation, I don't understand why she managed to suppress her shock when she FIRST saw Revan.

I guess she knew how strong in the Force Revan was, and she had no doubt about Revan's potential.

3) She fierily accused Revan and Malak in Taris, showed no hesitation in discussing their deeds. But later after the course of Danatooine, she seemed to show much reserve when the topic involved Revan.

The Reavn she was talking about, was another Revan (If ur character is LS), this new Revan has a second chance to redeem himself helping the Republic to crush the Sith.

If ur Revan is set DS, then its like a lecture: She's showing ur character the danger that the DS means.

4) It's argued that Bastila mentioning Revan's force potentials in the beginning is suspicious. Somone even thinks she had a "blow on the head" when she did that. *smirks* But what she said, approximately, was this: "No one would have come this far without the help of the Force". Well, attributing the success of Revan to the Force would just be another way to boast herself, she being a force-sensitive. Thus I can see all the reason why she said that, even if she wasn't aware it's Revan she's talking to.

Also, Revan WAS strong in the Force. Bastila being a jedi was just natural to have felt this and spelt it out. In fact, if she didn't mention ANYTHING about Revan's connection to the Force, THAT would be suspicious.[/QUOTE]

She was acting. It was all a big playhouse for her. And Revan didnt knew that.

5) Even from the visions, we don't know if Bastila unmasked Revan on the bridge. She saved him through the Force, not a kiss. :D

Oh, You think she wouldnt know what was the real face of Revan. C'mon, as you said, she requested him with the Endar Spire crew, of course she knew he was a Force sensitive and REVAN.

your cobclusion is flawed. She knew she had to know the boond between them was there if you listen to vandar later on dantooine. she also revan before revan left for the war. see kotor 2. and later on leviation she admits.

I doubt she didn't know. Remember about their bond. That must've had some affect, so even if she didn't recognize his face, I'm sure she recognized his presence.

"Have you heard of a little thing called 'The Force'?" If she knew he's Revan, I just find it a bit scary she's having this condescending attitude, no matter how much of a "grunt" Revan was in Tari.I'm sure she knew. I'm equally sure, given what we know of her personality, that she held quite a bit of animosity toward Revan for falling as he did. This was probably a way for her to express that without saying "Oh my god, you're Revan and I hate you!"

"Isn't you the republic soldier transferred to the Endar Spire?" Yes, Bastila exclaimed. But her exclamation came out smoothly and naturally. She wasn't like, "Isn't you...isn't you the republic soldier transferred to the Endar Spire?"
If she really knew, as a reflex, wouldn't she at least stumble a bit like later she did in the game? Note that she stumbled even in some later conversation, I don't understand why she managed to suppress her shock when she FIRST saw Revan.There are a few options here as to why she responded this way. (1) She was amazed he had survived and hadn't expected to see him. (2) She was happy to see him, despite her animosity toward him. After all, it was her mission to protect him. Isn't that why she was on the Endar Spire in the first place? (3) Lack of forethought on the part of the developers.

I always saw it more as a mixture of surprise and relief that she discovered him on Taris, hence her lack of "stumbling" as you put it.

She fierily accused Revan and Malak in Taris, showed no hesitation in discussing their deeds. But later after the course of Danatooine, she seemed to show much reserve when the topic involved Revan.This one's quite easy to explain away. As I mentioned earlier, she quite dislikes Revan (not your PC, Revan - the Revan she has burned into her brain). In all likelihood, he represents a side of her, and of the Jedi, that she would like to ignore and bury in the closet. To deny completely, if possible. Upon reaching Dantooine she is reminded of her duties as a Jedi. Realizing she had been behaving childishly, she begins to exert some self restraint. After all, attacking someone verbally, even a Sith lord, is not the Jedi way. ;)

Even from the visions, we don't know if Bastila unmasked Revan on the bridge. She saved him through the Force, not a kiss.Let's consider this logically. Bastila saved Revan's life on the bridge of that ship. He was quite near death, in fact. Now pretend you had to give someone CPR, or some other life-saving assistance. Would you give them assistance whilst they were still covered head to toe in body armor? I think not. :p

It has always been my belief that Bastila, as well as likely all the Jedi stationed on the Endar Spire with her, knew of Revan's existence. It wouldn't make sense that the Council would send her aboard the Endar Spire with him without telling her who he was. In fact her later actions on Taris quite secured that fact for me, especially the statement mentioned earlier about how she indeed did not stumble upon recognizing him.

The lovely thing about this whole debate, though, is that you could easily argue for both sides. We'll never know the truth of it, and that's half the fun. ;)

your cobclusion is flawed. She knew she had to know the boond between them was there if you listen to vandar later on dantooine. she also revan before revan left for the war. see kotor 2. and later on leviation she admits.

I doubt she didn't know. Remember about their bond. That must've had some affect, so even if she didn't recognize his face, I'm sure she recognized his presence.
What I'm trying to discuss is not whether Bastila felt Revan's presence, but whether Bastila was told and was sure that it's Revan. Sorry for confusing you.

I'm sure she knew. I'm equally sure, given what we know of her personality, that she held quite a bit of animosity toward Revan for falling as he did. This was probably a way for her to express that without saying "Oh my god, you're Revan and I hate you!"
Did Bastila really hate Revan I? Um... I think as a jedi who stand with the council she's prompted to speak against him, but secretly she admires Revan. I think some point in the game she admits it.

Let's consider this logically. Bastila saved Revan's life on the bridge of that ship. He was quite near death, in fact. Now pretend you had to give someone CPR, or some other life-saving assistance. Would you give them assistance whilst they were still covered head to toe in body armor? I think not.
But don't things work differently for the Force? :p

The lovely thing about this whole debate, though, is that you could easily argue for both sides. We'll never know the truth of it, and that's half the fun. ;)
Thanks for the great attitude.

Did Bastila really hate Revan I? Um... I think as a jedi who stand with the council she's prompted to speak against him, but secretly she admires Revan. I think some point in the game she admits it.Sorry, I wasn't clear on that point. I didn't mean she hated him personally, I meant she hated what he stood for, as the Dark Lord. I more see it as something she feared, and perhaps feared would return. Fear always breeds anger, you know. ;)

But don't things work differently for the Force?Well I think the Force only goes so far. If it was all-powerful, no one would ever die whilst in the presence of a Jedi. :p

Thanks for the great attitude.I love debates that have no definite answer! They last much longer, and are far more interesting. It's no fun when someone plops down and says "this is the way it is, and that's that." :(

The Reavn she was talking about, was another Revan (If ur character is LS), this new Revan has a second chance to redeem himself helping the Republic to crush the Sith.
This is not the point. It doesn't matter whether it's the same Revan she's talking about. Talkin' too much about Revan might revive some of Revan's memories, which is why she prevents this topic later in the journey. If she knew at the beginning, I think she should have been more reserved in the way she talked about Revan.


Oh, You think she wouldnt know what was the real face of Revan. C'mon, as you said, she requested him with the Endar Spire crew, of course she knew he was a Force sensitive and REVAN.
Did I say she requested him? I think it's the Council that enlisted him to the Endar Spire, not Bastila.
And the point is if she didn't recognise that face as Revan, even when she saw the face she wouldn't know it's Revan.

I love debates that have no definite answer! They last much longer, and are far more interesting. It's no fun when someone plops down and says "this is the way it is, and that's that."
I totally appreciate that. Really. :)

This is not the point. It doesn't matter whether it's the same Revan she's talking about. Talkin' too much about Revan might revive some of Revan's memories, which is why she prevents this topic later in the journey. If she knew at the beginning, I think she should have been more reserved in the way she talked about Revan.


Did I say she requested him? I think it's the Council that enlisted him to the Endar Spire, not Bastila.
And the point is if she didn't recognise that face as Revan, even when she saw the face she wouldn't know it's Revan.


I totally appreciate that. Really. :)

if i remember carth's statement right on taris he said it was bastila's party who requested your transfer, in theory if could been her or anyone of the jedi including the council. yes it possible she didn't know him. but if she knew Malak as the vision in kotor 2 suggest. then i think she knew Revan too.. that what i was refering to earlier

If she knew at the beginning, I think she should have been more reserved in the way she talked about Revan.I agree she should have been, but keep in mind that Bastila is very young. Her level of common sense is probably not fully developed. It's quite possible she got a good lecture from the council, which modified her outlook. :p

Did I say she requested him? I think it's the Council that enlisted him to the Endar Spire, not Bastila.
And the point is if she didn't recognise that face as Revan, even when she saw the face she wouldn't know it's Revan.Carth: Don't get me wrong, it just seems odd that someone Bastila's party specifically requested to transfer aboard happened to survive.
Player: Why would Bastila request my transfer?

It seems quite obvious here that it was the party of Jedi onboard the Endar Spire that specifically requested Revan's presence. You could, of course, argue that they weren't told why, or that it wasn't Bastila (despite the fact that Carth doesn't deny that point), but you could also argue that even Jedi would question orders of seeming unimportance (especially Bastila - she's a bit nosy, don't you think? ;))

I always took it (at least upon first playing it).. that Bastila didn't know anything about you being Revan until after her meeting with the Masters on Dantooine.

It just seems her overall opinion of and towards you, afterwards, were geared moreso to questioning (maybe to find out a little more than what the Masters told her) and not as 'distant' as if she were given the specific task to watch over you and guide you towards the Jedi's agenda ( :rolleyes: ) hehehe..

As for Bastila requesting you on the Spire, maybe that was her orders from an even higher power? Could explain as to why she sounds a little surprised after you 'rescue' her from the swoop bike gang.. sort of a

"Maybe the Masters know a little more something than they've been telling me since this stranger not only survived the Spire attack, but has also managed to rescue me".

She does mention in the conversation afterwards that she wonders how you were able to accomplish all of the feats leading up to her rescue :giveup:

It's really only after the Dantooine meeting (after you become a Jedi that is) she has a change of attitude.. plus she's surprised when the Masters hesitate to train (re-train) you with her statement:

"Surely you feel the power within this man/woman?"

There's also the time on Dantooine where Carth mentioned that Bastila had come out of a meeting with the Masters looking very pale--I think that's the point where she was told.

Carth: Don't get me wrong, it just seems odd that someone Bastila's party specifically requested to transfer aboard happened to survive.
Player: Why would Bastila request my transfer?

It seems quite obvious here that it was the party of Jedi onboard the Endar Spire that specifically requested Revan's presence.
Oh, my bad. I got bad memory. Maybe constructive memory, since I feel Basty didn't know.
But yah, as you said, she could have been ordered to do so by the council without knowing the exact details.
Thanks for the quotes.

I always took it (at least upon first playing it).. that Bastila didn't know anything about you being Revan until after her meeting with the Masters on Dantooine.
Same here. Other than the factual reasons that I gave, it's my first impression that told me she didn't know.

Hm, I don't know about Bastila, but I would definitly recognize the person whose live I saved. Especially if that certain person was a Sith Lord which I confronted in battle...

Don't you think Bastila would at least know what the council decides to do with Revan? I think Bastila knew that the PC is Revan from the beginning, she might have gained some more information on Dantoine though.

Don't you think Bastila would at least know what the council decides to do with Revan?
Not necessarily.. In the movies, Anakin barely knew squat unless Obi-Wan told him or Palpatine leaked something out. The Masters seem to keep to themselves on secretive topics. Just like any governing body to be honest...

Even in the game the Council has both you & Bastila wait for them on the Ebon Hawk while they make a major decision.

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As far as saving Revan's life, unmasking, cpr, etc. in StarWars universe (or the games at least).. it seems saving someone consists of popping them with a stim until they can get to a med droid or "Kolto" tank :xp: Now of course, this doesn't discount the 'nosy' Jedi taking a peek mind you.. and if I were in the situation, I'd be tempted :devsmoke:

Of course then you have the "comic-book" scenario that no matter how much you admire/hate the person, you do everything except go as far as to unmask the hero/villain. (yeah, I know, lame.. but it happens in every superhero movie/comic imaginable.. hehehe)..

Of course there's also the Jedi militant view whereas you get the "pow" mentality. He's a prisoner, what's underneath the mask is for the higher ranks, my mission is to capture/retrieve and bring back. Period. Bastila seems on first impression as to being someone who takes orders, not questions them... and since she had company when Revan was 'knocked the **** out' (he only force chokes 1 of the 3 Jedi in the party) she couldn't necessarily go against orders and start stripping the enemy down. Not to mention that you've just got one of the most powerful Sith Lords at your feet.. I'm grabbing one arm, the other person is grabbing the other... hehehe

This is not the point. It doesn't matter whether it's the same Revan she's talking about. Talkin' too much about Revan might revive some of Revan's memories, which is why she prevents this topic later in the journey. If she knew at the beginning, I think she should have been more reserved in the way she talked about Revan.


Meh. You mean how the masters are reserved when talking about Revan?

For me it's just a matter of how the game doesn't want to give too much away too soon. Up until you reach Dantooine, every single npc and his counsin have talked about Revan in some way or another.

And then what do the masters do on Dantooine? If you ask them about Revan, they talk your ears off so much you'll not only regret it, but actually so that your ears begin to bleed!

Had there been anymore talk about Revan after that, they might as well have put a bit sign in neon somewhere that said, "In case you haven't figured it yet, Sherlock, Revan's alive and is going to be important in this game!!!"

And note that during your various searches for the Star Maps *after* Dantooine is the time that is just prior to finding out what really became of Revan. It's not good foreshadowing to continually give clues to something right up until it happens. Usually you do it sometime before and then stop a good deal of time before you get to the actual revelation. And KotOR1 is no different.

Within healthy discussion in another thread of this forum another question was raised: Did Bastila recognise the republic officer as Revan in Taris? Did she know it from the very beginning?

EDIT: I know Revan and Bastila has a bond between them so Bastila probably could feel it. But no one can tell if she was sure. What I'm really trying to discuss is whether the Jedi Council let her know already, whether Bastila had been TOLD that "This is Revan. Keep an eye on him."

She knew what happened to Revan. She knew what the Jedi Council did to Revan. She tells you this on the Leviathan. Also, don't you think that Bastila would have seen Revan's face before he/she fought in the Mandalorian Wars?

Also, why would the Jedi Council keep it a secret from Bastila? If she didn't know and they told her on Dantooine, then obviously it wasn't because they didn't want Bastila to know who that person was, because why wouldn't they have told her this earlier?

And, Carth said to Revan that "First Bastila came out looking like she saw a ghost, and now you do too" or something like that. To me, Revan and Bastila were both pale, because they both saw that vision of Revan and Malak.

When I say the negative, here's why:
1) "Have you heard of a little thing called 'The Force'?" If she knew he's Revan, I just find it a bit scary she's having this condescending attitude, no matter how much of a "grunt" Revan was in Taris.

I'm sure she knew. I'm equally sure, given what we know of her personality, that she held quite a bit of animosity toward Revan for falling as he did. This was probably a way for her to express that without saying "Oh my god, you're Revan and I hate you!"

2) "Isn't you the republic soldier transferred to the Endar Spire?" Yes, Bastila exclaimed. But her exclamation came out smoothly and naturally. She wasn't like, "Isn't you...isn't you the republic soldier transferred to the Endar Spire?"
If she really knew, as a reflex, wouldn't she at least stumble a bit like later she did in the game? Note that she stumbled even in some later conversation, I don't understand why she managed to suppress her shock when she FIRST saw Revan.

Actually, she does stumble. She says "Wait, I don't believe this, you're...you're one of the soldiers with the Republic fleet aren't you?"

She also says "Carth wouldn't have sent you if he wasn't confident in your...abilities."

And when you tell her that you saw a vision of her fighting Revan, she says:

"This is...strange."

Now, she knew what the Council did to Revan, so surely she must have figured out why you had that vision for. She can't be that stupid.

3) She fierily accused Revan and Malak in Taris, showed no hesitation in discussing their deeds. But later after the course of Danatooine, she seemed to show much reserve when the topic involved Revan. If Bastila knew, wouldn't she want to avoid talking too much of Revan least he remembers something?

No, because Carth was accusing the Jedi Council of 'dragging its feet' and Bastila was never good at suppressing her feelings, as she firmly believed that Revan and Malak were to blame for the cause of the Jedi Civil War and that the Council made the right decision, so she snapped at Carth.

4) It's argued that Bastila mentioning Revan's force potentials in the beginning is suspicious. Somone even thinks she had a "blow on the head" when she did that. *smirks* But what she said, approximately, was this: "No one would have come this far without the help of the Force". Well, attributing the success of Revan to the Force would just be another way to boast herself, she being a force-sensitive. Thus I can see all the reason why she said that, even if she wasn't aware it's Revan she's talking to.

Oh come on, she was told by the Council who Revan was, why do you think she asks you those questions regarding your 'fake identity' for? Because it was a test. She had foreknowledge. She had to know, and their was no reason why the Council had to keep it a secret from her.

It's also funny how on Taris, Bastila says to you that if you were born on a Republic world, the Jedi Order would have taken you for training much earlier. How does she know where you're from? She apparently doesn't even know you. Why would she assume that for?

You can be a strong force sensitive born in a Republic world and still not be trained by the Jedi Order, so I always found that odd, as she outright said that you weren't from a Republic world. She didn't even assume that you were.

Also, Revan WAS strong in the Force. Bastila being a jedi was just natural to have felt this and spelt it out. In fact, if she didn't mention ANYTHING about Revan's connection to the Force, THAT would be suspicious.

That's why she did mention about Revan's connection to the force, because as you said, it would be suspicious, and as ordered by the Council, she couldn't tell you the truth.

5) Even from the visions, we don't know if Bastila unmasked Revan on the bridge. She saved him through the Force, not a kiss. :D

Discuss please.

Why would Bastila not take Revan's mask off? Don't you think she wanted to see the face of the Dark Lord, the great hero of the Mandalorian Wars? Come on!

Even if the Council for some odd reason ordered Bastila not to take off Revan's mask, do you seriously think she could resist? This is Bastila we're talking about.

The question is, how could the Council possibly cover this up from Bastila? They must have taken off Revan's mask, and she must have been there to see it, because she knew what the Council did to Revan.

She already knew what Revan looked like, Revan left while she was a padawan, it's not like she wasn't born yet....

Carth: Don't get me wrong, it just seems odd that someone Bastila's party specifically requested to transfer aboard happened to survive.
Player: Why would Bastila request my transfer?

Thanks for the quotes, InyrilForge.

Meh. You mean how the masters are reserved when talking about Revan?
The masters are not Bastila. I think it'd be fairer to compare Bastila's attitudes before and after.

For me it's just a matter of how the game doesn't want to give too much away too soon.
Maybe. I'm sure there're different perspectives to look at this matter.

She knew what happened to Revan. She knew what the Jedi Council did to Revan. She tells you this on the Leviathan.
Actually, I have to thank you, Architect. I know Bastila on the Leviathan confessed she knew it, but I thought she never explicitly pointed out *when* she knew it. Is it from the very beginning, or just after the meeting with the masters on Dantooine? Then I go check on the dialogues once more. Here's what Bastila said:

"I used my force powers to heal you on the bridge. We share a bond. I convinced the Council I could use our bond to draw out your memories and lead us to the Star Forge."

That suggests to me it's Bastila who initiated the plan. So, she must have known when Revan was recruited to serve under Bastila.

Of course she knew. She was assigned to use Revan's lost memories to discover how Revan and Malak created such a powerful fleet so quickly. Hard to do if she doesn't know who's memories she's supposed to be using.

Say, why didn't Bastila immediately recognise Revan, as a Republic soldier, on Taris? Didn't she handpick Revan for the assignment? She would have recognised him either when pretending to be out of it or when fighting alongside him. How come she initially snaps at him when she had him brought along for the mission?

A simple question, to which I ask another...

Why didn't she tell him, while on Taris, that he was Revan? The Council would have never known, and as Jolee said, it was probably for best, that he knew who he was...

Why didn't she tell him, while on Taris, that he was Revan?

Because it's incredibly dangerous for Force-sensitives without any training against the dark side to know they were Sith Lords a few years ago.

And aside from the obvious dangers of Revan knowing he was Revan there's the feelings Bastila has towards him as well. If she knew from the beginning, and since she was the one who chose him for the mission I'd go with that she did, she does not want the Revan she fought against. To push the idea further this could explain the issues Bastila has with Revan, as a soldier and Jedi, because of her encounter against Revan as...well as a warrior seeking to strengthen the Republic to fight the true Sith. I remember a fic where Revan laid out his reasoning to fight against the Mandalorians, and laid out a few truths about not fighting that, deliberately, hit close to home (things like Bastila being a Mandalorian whore if they won) which so angered Bastila. We don't know if anything like this actually took place but if Revan did say anything like this it makes sense.

Because it's incredibly dangerous for Force-sensitives without any training against the dark side to know they were Sith Lords a few years ago.

Ahhh.... but he didn't know how to use the Force yet, so he couldn't be a threat, and he couldn't lie to the Council, he didn't have enough deception like Traya... (in game he does, but I think in real life, that the Council could see right through it.)

but he didn't know how to use the Force yet,

Nope. Bastila says that many of the feats he performed on Taris he accomplished by drawing on the Force, whether he knew it or not.

In any case, there'd be nothing gained by telling him in the first place.

A simple question, to which I ask another...

Why didn't she tell him, while on Taris, that he was Revan? The Council would have never known, and as Jolee said, it was probably for best, that he knew who he was...

Because it was meant to be a plot twist for the latter stages of the game, that's why. She was following orders from the Council as well, which was not to tell Revan the truth. And what do you mean the Council would never have known?

How can you assume that Revan wouldn't tell the Jedi Council how he/she found out he/she was Revan on Dantooine? Even if Revan 'played along', the Council would probably be able to squeeze the truth out of Revan and/or Bastila, or at least know that you and/or her are lying.

I wouldn't be so sure about that Architect, Revan could be very manipulative, and the Council on Dantooine, wasn't as bright as THE Jedi Council on Courscant...

I wouldn't be so sure about that Architect, Revan could be very manipulative, and the Council on Dantooine, wasn't as bright as THE Jedi Council on Courscant...

But how could Bastila be certain whether Revan wouldn't try to lie to the Jedi Council or not about knowing his/her true identity and how he/she found out if the Council knows that Revan knows who he/she is? It was smart of Bastila not to tell Revan on Taris, to avoid taking that risk.

I wouldn't be so sure about that Architect, Revan could be very manipulative, and the Council on Dantooine, wasn't as bright as THE Jedi Council on Courscant...

1. Revan DOES have the option to lie to the masters on Dantooine. True, they're not lies that matter or impact the plot in any way, but they're still there.

2. There is only one jedi council. It doesn't matter where it is. It's usually seated on Coruscant, but that doesn't prevent the masters from going to other places in the Republic. And clearly only a few of them were on Dantooine in K1.

Indeed, the only master from Dantooine we know to be on the council is Vrook. I'd think that Vandar is on the council too, but I don't think we actually know that, and we don't know about Dorak or Zhar either.

On the other hand both Vrook, Zez-Kai Ell, Kavar, Lonna Vash, and Atris are all at the council at the Exile's trial, which is years before K1, as well as during TSL, so they must have been masters during that time of K1, where we only ever see one of them.

Say, why didn't Bastila immediately recognise Revan, as a Republic soldier, on Taris? Didn't she handpick Revan for the assignment? She would have recognised him either when pretending to be out of it or when fighting alongside him. How come she initially snaps at him when she had him brought along for the mission?

Well I think she DID recognize him. Of course. Bastila is very proud and stubborn. Perhaps she had a hard time that on the very first of Revan's missions, he already saved her.

Perhaps she just couldn't accept that that he helped her out of a nasty situation, something she thinks she should be able to handle herself.

Good point, coupled with her feelings towards Revan at the time she would probably find the fact he's a good guy, or at least saved her if you're going DS, particularly jarring. It's probably part of the reason she acts the way she does, because of her feelings towards Revan (I can only imagine whether he gave a few home truths about the Mandalorian Wars like I described above) she takes out her frustrations on having to side with him on Revan. Not quite Lonna Vash material yet methinks.

It seems quite clear to me that Bastila always knew you were Revan. The mission on the Endar Spire was part of Revan's retraining to be a good Jedi again. Remember, the council thought that Bastila's Force bond was the only hope for redeeming Revan.

The whole "crew transfer story" was a hoax that the Jedi on the ship gave to you and the rest of the crew. You had not spent any time previous to joining the Republic army being a mercenary, explorer, or criminal as the character backstories and Trask's explanations suggest. Rather, you had been almost killed by Malak, spent three years being brainwashed/retrained/implanted with false memories, including those of signing up for the military, and then you were posted to the Endar Spire as per the council's plan.

Bastila's mission included trying to make you be the opposite of what you had been before. This included being light-side, and to stand against all that Revan had been. Therefore, she would have told you how evil Revan was, but not told you too much, in case you came to sympathize with him, thus awakening your earlier self. It also becomes clear that Bastila, proud as she is, is somewhat in admiration of what Revan was, which also explains why she was able to be turned by Malak. In unguarded moments she sometimes lets that show through, and this frightens her. Her fears about not being a good Jedi are rooted in her experience with Revan. Remember, Revan was a icon of good before he fell. It seems that the Jedi council is also taking the opportunity of Revan's redemption to teach Bastila a lesson herself.

No, Bastila didn't know you were Revan until Dantooine when you were sent back to the Ebon Hawk for a "private" matter between Bastila and the Council. It's obvious she was told there because Carth says, "She came out looking like she say a ghost or something."

No, Bastila didn't know you were Revan until Dantooine when you were sent back to the Ebon Hawk for a "private" matter between Bastila and the Council. It's obvious she was told there because Carth says, "She came out looking like she say a ghost or something."
Yes, he says that directly after your vision of Revan and Malak in the ruins that contain the Star Map- the vision that you and Bastila share. I'm guessing that's why he says that.

Also, Bastila had feelings for Revan ever since they were at the academy together, so I definitely think she ought to recognize him.

No, Bastila didn't know you were Revan until Dantooine when you were sent back to the Ebon Hawk for a "private" matter between Bastila and the Council. It's obvious she was told there because Carth says, "She came out looking like she say a ghost or something."

He says it after you come off the Ebon Hawk, "First Bastila comes out looking like she saw a ghost and now you." He's talking about coming off the Ebon Hawk not out of the Council chambers. Bastila was upset because she shared a vision with Revan not because she found out that Revan was Revan. The vision happened when they were both asleep and I doubt they were sleeping in the Council chambers.

Bastila knew very well that Revan was Revan on Taris. When you first meet her, after the swoop race, she says: "And as for you, if you think you can collect me as a prize...Wait... I don't believe this! You're... uh... you're one of the soldiers with the Republic fleet, aren't you?" (Quoted from the .tlk files, emphasis mine.) Note the hesitation, she almost said: "I don't believe this you're Revan!"

Also, Bastila had feelings for Revan ever since they were at the academy together, so I definitely think she ought to recognize him.
Where do people get this from? I've heard it multiply times, but there is absolutely no evidence in game of Revan and Bastila knowing each other prior to the events of K1. Bastila probably knew of Revan, but personally? I highly doubt it. And even if they did know each other, considering that Bastila would have been about 12-13 when Revan (who would have been about 20-21) left for the Mandalorian Wars I doubt they had a relationship. ;)

And where did you take Revan's and Bastila's age from, Melly? :D
As far as I know, it's not in the game, nor anywhere else. Which would let it to the imagination of the player. And so it can't be used as an argument.

Other than that, I agree with you. To me it is obvious that Bastila knew Revan from the beginning of Kotor I.

And about the relationship thing. I don't recall hearing that somewhere else than in this forum. So I guess it is wishful thinking. :D

Well I thought I read it somewhere official, but maybe I didn't.

Still, from Bastila's attitude towards him on Taris, it seems obvious that she knew who he was. Also, since a Force signature seems just as unique as fingerprints, then she would probly be able to sense that it was him.

And where did you take Revan's and Bastila's age from, Melly? :D
As far as I know, it's not in the game, nor anywhere else. Which would let it to the imagination of the player. And so it can't be used as an argument.


By going from information and dates given by Bastila and others in the game. Bastila says she was still an apprentice when Revan left for war, meaning she had not been chosen as a padawan yet. That would also mean, from everything I've seen/read, that Bastila was about 12-13, or perhaps even younger.

Revan I see as being about 20-21 when s/he left for the Mandalorian Wars (and this is pretty much universally excepted by other forum members, if not here then elsewhere. From what I've seen at least) because I cannot see Republic soldiers listening to a teenager, Jedi or not. Making him/her 27-28 in K1. It is an assumption, I admit, but one backed up fairly well, by facts in the game. ;)

Hm I don't know at what age exactly someone is chosen as a Padawan, but my guess is that it depends on the person. So 12-13 it is. Where did you read that? oO

About Revan, well, you do have a point there. He could be slightly younger or older, but i agree with you on that. So let's assume Revan was 20, and Bastila was not 12, but 16-17. A romance would certainly be possible.

Hm I don't know at what age exactly someone is chosen as a Padawan, but my guess is that it depends on the person. So 12-13 it is. Where did you read that?

In the Jedi Apprentice series of books, apprentices must be chosen as padawans by the age of 13 or they are forced to leave the Order. Much like Disciple in K2. If Bastila was still just an apprentice then she would have been under the age of 13.

In TPM didn't they say Anakin was too old or arn't I remembering right?

In TPM didn't they say Anakin was too old or arn't I remembering right?

No, you remember correctly. Mace Windu says that he won't be trained, then comments that he's too old.

Too old to begin his training, that should have began several years before, but 10 is still an early age to be chosen by a master to become a padawan

In the Jedi Apprentice series of books, apprentices must be chosen as padawans by the age of 13 or they are forced to leave the Order. Much like Disciple in K2. If Bastila was still just an apprentice then she would have been under the age of 13.

Let's not confuse the age at which you may be accepted as a padawan with the age at which you can remain one. I'm not actually sure if Bastila even took the rank of knight, but she was certainly no master, even by her own admission. And Jolee himself says that he never attained a rank above padawan. So even if you have to be chosen as a padawan before a certain age, that says nothing about how long you can remain a padawan. How old was Obi-Wan in TPM? He was a padawan throughout the film, until Yoda made him a knight at the very end of it. As far as I can determine from Wookieepedia, Obi-Wan must have been 25 years old at the time. So even if Bastila was in her early twenties in K1 and still a padawan, that would not stretch credibility at all.

Too old to begin his training, that should have began several years before, but 10 is still an early age to be chosen by a master to become a padawan

That may be. When the masters declare that Anakin won't be trained, Qui-Gon announces that he'll take Anakin as his padawan learner. The masters object to this on the basis that Obi-Wan is already Qui-Gon's padawan and that he cannot have two. It is interesting that the age question is not raised in that regard.

Qui-Gon then says that Obi-Wan is ready for the trials, and Obi-Wan jumps at the chance. The masters respond by saying that this will all be settled later, which does not sound like a complete dismissal. I'd say the masters are wary of Anakin and his potential. They can deny him training on the basis of his age. Okay. They can deny Qui-Gon taking him as a padawan on the basis that he already has a padawan. But it could be argued that when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan agree that Obi-Wan is ready for the trials, the masters are out of excuses against Qui-Gon taking Anakin as his padawan learner.

There's also the time on Dantooine where Carth mentioned that Bastila had come out of a meeting with the Masters looking very pale--I think that's the point where she was told.

It's obvious she was told there because Carth says, "She came out looking like she say a ghost or something."

He also comments on the PC looking ill during the same conversation. I always took these comments as neither Bastila nor the PC getting a very good nights rest with visions of Star Maps in their heads.

I believe she knew from the very beginning. I have no evidence for my position, but that how I felt from the moment the revelation that the PC was in fact Revan. I did not understand how she’d know some low rating crew member other wise or why else she would have requested the PC transfer.

I believe she knew from the very beginning. I have no evidence for my position, but that how I felt from the moment the revelation that the PC was in fact Revan. I did not understand how she’d know some low rating crew member other wise or why else she would have requested the PC transfer.

I believe it said 'the Jedi ordered it', but they didn't specify Bastila. Could have been an order from the Order itself rather than Bastila specifically.

I believe it said 'the Jedi ordered it', but they didn't specify Bastila. Could have been an order from the Order itself rather than Bastila specifically.

Could be. Bastilla did mention however that she healed Revan, and this healing allowed for Bastilla and Revan to have a Force Bond, that would allow for Bastilla to figure out where the Star Forge Maps are. Bastilla also said it was her idea.

I believe it said 'the Jedi ordered it', but they didn't specify Bastila. Could have been an order from the Order itself rather than Bastila specifically.

Carth "...Bastila's party was the one who request your tranfer."
PC " Why would Bastila request my transfer?"
Carth "The Jedi requested numerous things...”

Your right, but it was someone within Bastila group on the Endar Spire that request the transfer (at least according to Carth). Now I know why Carth was so upset, he wasn't invited to Bastila's party.