It was confirmed in our private chat lobby that the B-Wing will not make it into Empire At War. The question wasn't asked/answered because it was a simple 'no'.

The Legacy at war mod team have made their very own creations and are looking impressive. Whats your views on this decision not to have a B-Wing?

Legacy At War (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=153115)

DMUK

Another indication that EaW will be half-baked, as I have predicted.

The tech line and whatnot should never have stopped at ANH, but regardless, we are getting some absolutely awful ship designs plus a lot of EU stuff, yet an instantly recognisable film unit doesn't make the cut.

Not good enough.

I'm going to try and fix most of this injustice. B-Wings for all...and maybe more....

I think its really dumb but thankfuly theres some nice mods out there

I didn't see that part in the chat transcript. I thought he said that a few things that appeared in the later movies would also appear in the game, just in the higher echelons of tech. I guess maybe A=wings or something. Dunno. I don't mind too much. I never thought a ton of the B-wing. It was always a little weird. Not saying I don't like the B-wing, it's just my least favorite of the rebel and imperial fighters/bombers, so I'll live.
Not exactly a factual rational, but it works. heh

I didn't see that part in the chat transcript.
You weren't in the same chat, that's why. :)

I don't mind the B-Wing absense too much. What really gets me is the absence of the TIE Interceptor. The rebels will get it's couterpart, the A-Wing, which was specifically designed to out run the Interceptor. And yet, there is no Interceptor to out run.

Not giving the Rebels a B-Wing is a good idea to me, because so far it seems the Rebels will have more of a star fighter advantage already.

I don't mind the B-Wing absense too much. What really gets me is the absence of the TIE Interceptor. The rebels will get it's couterpart, the A-Wing, which was specifically designed to out run the Interceptor. And yet, there is no Interceptor to out run.

Not giving the Rebels a B-Wing is a good idea to me, because so far it seems the Rebels will have more of a star fighter advantage already.

The B/W was developed by Ackbar as a FRG killer. The FRG is on the side of the Rebellion in this game so there is no need for the B/W.

But I still want it and the T/I.

What really gets me is the absence of the TIE Interceptor.

see http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=155255)

isn't that a interceptor?

see http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=155255)

isn't that a interceptor?
No, that is a TIE Advanced x1 (i believe x1). You see it in A New Hope, it is Darth Vader's personalized TIE Fighter. He uses it in the trench run part of episode IV.

I guess I'm not too bummed out that it isn't included, but I think it's kind of silly that they aren't. I wouldn't think it would be that much more work to include one more ship... Still, it won't ruin the game for me.

its not the extra work, its all about money. Their plan is to make an expansion pack that continues where this game left off prob til the battle of endor. Now they wanna be able to say we got the b-wing and SSD in it! WHAT A FEATURE! pretty much there preserving material for the future, for a few more dolla dolla bills

its not the extra work, its all about money. Their plan is to make an expansion pack that continues where this game left off prob til the battle of endor. Now they wanna be able to say we got the b-wing and SSD in it! WHAT A FEATURE! pretty much there preserving material for the future, for a few more dolla dolla bills
I see. I guess this is a good plan financially for them, since no doubt an expansion would sell like crazy assuming this game will be the hit it is expected to be.

The B/W was developed by Ackbar as a FRG killer. The FRG is on the side of the Rebellion in this game so there is no need for the B/W.

But I still want it and the T/I.
There are other frigates in Star Wars too to take out, and so it will be in EaW.
That is a weak argument really for not having it in.

The B-Wing was designed to be an anti-capital ship bomber actually, not specifically to take out just one type of ship, like the Nebulon-B Frigate as you suggest.

The only good argument for not including it, is that the techtree only goes up to ANH, which effectivelly excludes the B-Wing from the game.

its not the extra work, its all about money. Their plan is to make an expansion pack that continues where this game left off prob til the battle of endor. Now they wanna be able to say we got the b-wing and SSD in it! WHAT A FEATURE! pretty much there preserving material for the future, for a few more dolla dolla bills

*blinks* You're so right! heh. I didn't even think of that bit. Add in a few more units and make storied campaigns go to the end of ROTJ, add some moola to Lucas' pockets. I love it when a plan comes together.

You weren't in the same chat, that's why. :)
lol, true enough. true enough.


Hey this is a really random question, and probably one that DMUK can answer. What ever happened to that guy from LA who was heading up GB and then was reportedly working on a new game that was rumored to be GB2. Is he working with the EAW team? or is he on some other random project. (sorry, I just randomly remembered him)
sorry, random

Hey this is a really random question, and probably one that DMUK can answer. What ever happened to that guy from LA who was heading up GB and then was reportedly working on a new game that was rumored to be GB2. Is he working with the EAW team? or is he on some other random project. (sorry, I just randomly remembered him)
sorry, random

Garry Gaber? He left LucasArts over a year ago.

I'm not so bummed out by this. The B-Wing is one of my favorites though, but I'll survive without it. The Rebels have quite a large variety of capital ships and I think that if they didn't, it would justify its inclusion. Now, the Rebels don't seem to need it.

Jan - sure the tech tree is supposed to stop at ANH, and yet we get Mon Cal Frigates and A-wings that were only seen in RotJ, just like the B-wing, so I don't see how that can explain the B-wing not being in the game.

because they used the movie and other sources such as the fact bwings wernt designed til late in ROTJ, they were like almost prototypes during the battle of endor, like that brand new. Now the Mon Camari cruisers eve though they wrnt in ANH, they were always around.

Jan - sure the tech tree is supposed to stop at ANH, and yet we get Mon Cal Frigates and A-wings that were only seen in RotJ, just like the B-wing, so I don't see how that can explain the B-wing not being in the game.

It's semi true. The alliance didn't have the Mon Cal Cruisers, but they were there. The Mon Cals had been fighting the empire for years before they joined the alliance and had already built up their star cruisers into vessels of war. I agree that it's really kind of weird that they are putting them in the game, but the game would be very unbalanced if they only gave the rebels small ships that couldn't stand toe to toe with star destroyers. So it's not just a matter of when it was made, but it's really a matter of how do we balance this game.

You probably arn't able to produce Mon Cals until you've "researched" them.

And as been stated above: While the B-Wing wasn't finished designed until shortly before RotJ, the Mon Cal ships, which were at first converted cruise ships, had been around from before ANH. The A-Wing was designed around ANH, so that's why they can justify its inclusion.

Oh good god.

Mon Cal Cruiser
ANH = No
ESB = No
RotJ = Yes

A-wing
ANH = No
ESB = No
RotJ = Yes

B-wing
ANH = No
ESB = No
RotJ = Yes

No difference.

If you are going to use that reasoning DW then consider this:

AT-AT

ANH: no
ESB: yes
RotJ: yes
EaW: yes

SSD

ANH: no
ESB: yes
RotJ: yes
EaW: no

It's like others have said. It goes more about when they were developed and not when they were seen.

Gameplay > Realism.

You should know this by now Windu.

According to your logic, the rebels would have nothing but puny Corellian Corvettes to face the Empire's fleet of Star Destroyers. Very great balance...

Oh good god.

Mon Cal Cruiser
ANH = No
ESB ...... etc

Oh, good God indeed, Windu. :eek:

Personally i think your all being a little bit tiny minded its only 1 little ship it can't turn the tide of a battle. ( sorry if that upsets any 1 ) were probbly going 2 get an expansion pack tho that will include all the other stuff ( sorry if i upset any 1 and sorry 2 Darth Moeller for my previous post on those questions i had i didn't mean 2 upset u / offend you in any way m8 ) once again sorry. As for those people over the b wing calm down so the b wing an in it at this time you'll probbly get an expansion or summin that will have it. That and your also geting a great game none the less so please be greatful.

Gameplay > Realism.

You should know this by now Windu.

According to your logic, the rebels would have nothing but puny Corellian Corvettes to face the Empire's fleet of Star Destroyers. Very great balance...

But that's fair. The Rebels don't deserve the CRS anyway. It was a fluke that the Empire lost Mon Calamari.

And Jan -

My argument is just fine. You don't agree with it so you say it is weak. The B/W was developed to take out Imperial FRGs. And yes, there are other frigate type ships in the game, but their counterpart is already developed. So there is no need for a B/W.

But that's fair. The Rebels don't deserve the CRS anyway. It was a fluke that the Empire lost Mon Calamari.


Fair or not, it's not good balance to have one side have all the capital ships and the other virtually none.

Fair or not, it's not good balance to have one side have all the capital ships and the other virtually none.

That's how the Rebellion started. The massive Imperial Navy vs their tiny warships that did nothing.

As Mon Mothma said in her memoirs:


Make no mistake, the Mon Calamari saved the galaxy. Their cruisers protected our fleet at the Battle of Endor, allowing the starfighters to penetrate the second Death Star's core. Without Admiral Ackbar and his people, we would all be the Emperor's slaves.

With the Mon Calamari's loss at the hands of the Empire, none of that would have happened and the second Death Star would have been completed and unstoppable.

-evil laugh-

heres a question relating the battle of endor. How many starships did the rebels have in it? Like before they jumped into hyperspace in the movie i saw like 7-8 starships? So did they meet up with like other fleets of ships at endor to fight?

poopy that its not in....

heres a question relating the battle of endor. How many starships did the rebels have in it? Like before they jumped into hyperspace in the movie i saw like 7-8 starships? So did they meet up with like other fleets of ships at endor to fight?

That's about right...I think.

The fleet at Sullust was the only fleet. You couldn't see the rest of the fleet as it made the jump because they all jumped at different vectors so they wouldn't come out of hyperspace at the same point at the same time...while that would have been good for the Empire, that would have turned public opinion aganist the Rebels, seeing as how they couldn't even make a simple jump into and out of hyperspace.

about the b wings i say: OMG NOOOOO!!! I know they will prolly include them in the exp. but i cant wait that long! i can barely contain myself waiting for this eaw! WHY!? i love bwings so much why must they take them away from me!!!???

"Life's tough, Grab a helmet" comes to mind... heh

And go blow up a few CRS while your at it.

yea thats what i thought but then at the middle/end of the battle you see like 4-5 mon cam.'s after the deathstar destroyed a few. Like when luke was fighting vader in the deathstar, you see the dozens of ISD's and then a lot more rebel ships than before the jump that i saw.

And go blow up a few CRS while your at it.
:confused:
CRS: Mon Calamari Cruiser
lol, even I have to go look up your abbreviations sometimes WxDude. CRS sounds nothing like Mon Cal. heh.

you may need to put a link to that abbreviations thread in your sig for easy future use. ;)

Personally i think your all being a little bit tiny minded its only 1 little ship it can't turn the tide of a battle.
Right - it's "only" the #1 heavy bomber the Alliance has. 3 lasers, 3 ions, tonnes of torpedoes. How would a squadron of those be of any help;)?

I remember when they included them in Galactic Conquest, in the last release. It was horrible against fast TIEs, though, so it required a fighter escort:o.

what exactly is galactic conquest?

edit: nevermind

Accually the B-Wing isn't a bomber at all(Sorry to correct you), It is a heavily armoured fighter that is armed with an optional Ion Cannon. Besides they were developed way to late to have any part in the game. For a fact I do not remember when exactly the Mon Calimari entered the Rebel Alliance for the New Republic. All this is as well the designers choice in the matter,.

Accually the B-Wing isn't a bomber at all(Sorry to correct you), It is a heavily armoured fighter that is armed with an optional Ion Cannon.
According to 99% of all sources (all of which contradict the ones saying it's a fighter;)), B-Wings are heavy bombers. I have heard that Galaxies, among others, turned some of these views upside-down, but the heavy bomber role is the accepted version today.

Just to those who don't know:
Galactic Conquest (www.galactic-conquest.net) is, as many know, a late BF 1942 total conversion. Awesome well-researched, detailed, innovative, team-play-oriented game, but it died when Battlefront and Battlefield 2 came out:(. It's also one of very few mods for the game to make it out of the beta stage.

Eagle is correct. Its classification is a B-wing Heavy Bomber much like the US's B-52 flying fortress during WW2.

So very tired that I say to you :P!!

Come to Legacy later today. Its Update day:P

Sorry to argue again but, The B-wing even by the official Star Wars web-site says it qualifies as a heavy Fighter, as well no proton bombs so in no way is it a bomber as well it has proton torpedos and Ion Cannon. As well no Bomber would have an Ion Cannon.

How aobut we meet at the middle and just refer to it as a Fighter Bomber. ;)

I don't seem to remember the B-wing ever carrying a payload though. Only projectiles.

Now that does fit my point!
As well the only real bombers for the New Republic/Rebels were the Y-Wings and different modifications(correct me if I'm wrong). Thoughout the Star Wars history has there ever been a B-wing used as a bomber?(Correct me if I'm wrong) for what I know of is no because of the B-wings late creation and the fact that it has no payload.

It could be loaded with bombs, it was meant to replace the Y-Wings anyway, but production never met demand so Y-Wings stayed. And for the guy who said no bomber could have Ion Cannon, the Y-Wing has an Ion Cannon turret

Bombers armed with torpedoes are still called bombers.


As well no Bomber would have an Ion Cannon.

You just said the Y-Wing was a bomber and it does have an Ion Cannon. So which is it?

It could be loaded with bombs, it was meant to replace the Y-Wings anyway, but production never met demand so Y-Wings stayed. And for the guy who said no bomber could have Ion Cannon, the Y-Wing has an Ion Cannon turret
Except it has no payload compartment that I've noticed, it'd have to be strapped.

I'm not saying it can't be a bomber, but so could an x-wing if modified to carry payload.

Technically anything that can't carry a payload isn't a bomber, as the entire thing is bombs are dropped, missles (or torpedos as they're in space and water) are just fired, making the b-wing a fighter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_bomber)

The difference in modern warfare however, has become so blurry that some wonder what a fighter is and what a bomber is. The F-16, for example, was designed for aerial combat yet are often used as "bomb trucks".

Was the B-Wing designed for space combat? I don't think so. It was specifically made to assault warships, just like a torpedo bomber.

We can argue on what to call it, fighter or bomber, but that does not change the fact that it isn't used to counter other fighters.

In fact, if we can't even used the "bomber" designation for any of the starfighters outside of the Tie Bomber.

This is getting pointless...

Errr, X-Wings do have payloads. It can fire both torpedoes and missiles.

So can the A-Wing ... and the Y-Wing ... and yes, even the B-Wing has a weapons payload.

Like Luke said, the B-Wing was primearly designed to fight ships, not fighters.
It's got most of it's weapons aimed towards just that goal: Ion Canons and projectile capabilities. And like the Y-Wing before it, it can take a punch. But it's not as agile as an X-Wing or an A-Wing.

In space terms it's a bomber.