Well if LucasArts is indeed watching, then I suppose there's a slim chance of getting some ideas implimented. That being said, I figured we might want to suggest some.

My primary idea is the for changes made to campaigns (assuming it will have campaigns). I'd like to see open ended campaigns, where the story unfolds based on how you did on individual scenarios. Forget the you-lose-a-scenario-and-you-have-to-redo-it crap. If you lose, the next scenario is different than the one you would have reach if you'd won. Yes, I realize this is a lot of extra work in scenario design/story telling, but it also extends the replay value and allow for multiple campaign endings.

To that end, I'd also like to see Multi-player campaigns, whether they be co-op, pvp, or both. Again, the story will progress based on who won individual scenarios. And simply attempting to wipe out another person in pvp may not always win the campaign. In fact, it may cause a loss to the "victor" if their scenario goal contradicts slaughtering their opponent (say, if the needed to capture something but destroyed it instead). Co-op players may have individual or share objectives that they can help each other out with (one of which might be meeting up with each other)...

Kryllith

well my idear is mostly for the space battle stuf to be able to take over othere ships
whit small rebel ships (or yust blow them up from the inside)
the imperials have enuf space to take some ships in or thay can also yust blow em up :D

it woud be nice if you have a ship and you get a this many % of chance to be able to blow up the othere ship or yust damage it some

*yust an idear*

and maby a scarlec pit woud be nice :p
then we can walk some AT-AT's in it and see what he dos :D

Well, I don't think it will be campaigning like that, you'll capture planets, rebuild it's defences, perhaps the enemy tries to recapture it before your defences are all up and ready, perhaps they will try to relinguish your control over another planet, etc......

The way I understand it, it will be back and forth depending what your enemy does, what you do, and it could potensially go on and on and on, until you finally realise your tactics and strategies sucks and you need to adjust. :p

For instance. :D

Homeworld 2 Space battle engine! <.<

I wouldn't mind a sort of "co-op" campaign.

And for Skirmish mode or skirmish multiplayer, allow people to choose whether to have a just a space battle or just a ground battle. Or "normal mode" (both). I think I'll be doing more Space Battles than ground battles. I've been waiting for Space Battles since Homeworld.

Random unit models and textures for rebel troopers to give the variety of species they had in the movie and to make them a slightly more ragtag force (which is the reason they're so cool)

Veterancy. Especially for the rebels. While the imperials have a bunch of cannon fodder, for the small rebel alliance individual troops and pilots are important. It would be cool if as they gained rank their skins changed (gaining medals etc and prehaps personalising their fighters like the Yavin X-wings) and used different animations (fighters might pull off some cool maneuvers while troops might be able to do stuff like say... melee (this sounds silly but I'm thinking of that rebel commando punching that imperial officer in ROTJ)
It'd be nice for the Imperials to have extremely experienced star destroyer captains and AT-ATs. I know there probably wont be individual upgrades like BFME, but it would be nice to give your best captain the best ship. (I dont mean anything complicated like giving ships individual pilots and captains... when I refer to captain or pilots I merely mean a capital ship or fighter unit)

Different stormtrooper armour for different enviroments. Merely eye candy, but it'd be nice to have sand troopers on Tatooine or snowtroopers on hoth. Not sure how you'd fit scout troopers in as they're more of their own unit type. It'd be a nice nod to the JK series if prehaps they added swamptroopers in a jungle environment. No stats change, simply a different model. Same for the rebels.

On the subject of stormtroopers, a zero-g stormtrooper from the Xwing series would be fun for space battles.

Anti Air. I've hated the way both force commander and Galactic battlegrounds did anti-air. Firstly air units were so weak against it made it useless. Seccondly, both flak and giant missiles are quite un-starwarsy. In FC troops could simply fire up at aircraft. It seems like we might not see any air units on the ground except for strafing runs, there is however the case of the snowspeeder. I'd quite like the AT-AA to make a return (It was in FC.. I'm not sure if it existed in EU before that but it returned for GB albeit with silly red missiles stuck on it) as well as it was a nice addition to the walker arsenal. So I suggest that any unit for which it is logical can shoot at aircraft. So troops can point their guns up and fire, AT-ATs can look up and fire, tanks can swivel their turrets up and fire, an AT-ST can't because it's head doesn't seem able to rotate that far. The AT-AA could be a specific anti air unit and be quite powerful against aircraft.
The best counter for aircraft should be other aircraft. This is going purely from the films of course..

Colliding capital ships. I love the scene in ESB where two huge star destroyers almost crash.. it'd be cool if we could trick ships into doing this.. or even order them to execute rams! It would also be cool if a ship, no matter what size could possibly go out of control when being destroyed (Kinda like the troll and mumakil in BFME) smashing into friend and foe alike (No 1 lesson learnt in SW: Raise the shields BEFORE the A-Wing hits the bridge)

Fighters are too small most of the time to be hit by turbolasers. A star destroyer would have a hard time hitting fighters buzzing around it, and the best counter would be to launch your own fighters.

Proper shield generators. I've mentioned it before but it's always been a disapointment in the last few games that shields merely raise the HP of units. They should simply deflect fire coming from the outside. Once units are within the shields they can fire away to their hearts content.

Moving while firing. This was the one advantage FC had over GB. Units actually advanced while firing. The limitations of the GB engine meant that troops would march up and stand still while firing. There was an interview before CC saying that in CC you would be able to move and fire... but I think it was cut. Anyway.. it'd be nice for units to be able to advance and fire at the same time.

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I don't remember reading anything about destroying an entire planet so.... I want that. :(

My dream ever since I was 4-5 was to blow up a planet with the Death Star.

Good AI/Pathfinding.

I havn't read too much, or.. well, anything about this game except in a few forum topics, but if its like other RTS games, then it needs better AI. Its so annoying to tell your troops to walk to the right, then go off on some weird path that takes 5 minutes to get to the place you clicked, when they could have taken 30 seconds to just... go there properly.

And then the way they attack... whats up with that.

Maybe I just suck at RTS games. Who knows.

Well, we will see.

Two features I'd like to see.

First, in Rebellion you could assign characters to ships and planets. It would be good to be able to assign a commander character (Thrawn for example) to a fleet and they would give a bonus.

Secondly, I'd like to see an exensive scenario builder (but please make it more like the Blizzard editors so it doesn't require a good understanding of astrophysics and take a year to learn).

The scenario editor should be able to create scenarios and new planets to the campaign mode. What would be best of all though, a campaign editor feature (I really want to recreate the Thrawn Trilogy!).

Anyway, thats it really.

Originally posted by OverlordAngelus
Two features I'd like to see.

First, in Rebellion you could assign characters to ships and planets. It would be good to be able to assign a commander character (Thrawn for example) to a fleet and they would give a bonus.



This would be okay, but I'd rather this not be Generals: Zero Hour, where there is a general for a certain type of force and you just always know what's coming because they limited weapons so much. If this was to happen, I'd like to see a commander give a slight edge to a certain type of unit or something, and not forcing a one-dimensional, who-can-build-the-most-to-overwhelm idea.

Things I'd like to see:

the two groups have a rich diversity of units and such at their disposal, really a lot of different types of units because there's only two sides, also so that anyone can cook up a strategy that really hasn't been thought of yet.

I'd like to see a variety of starfighters for both sides:

TIE Fighter
TIE Interceptor
TIE Bomber
TIE Advanced
TIE Defender
Assault Gunboat

A-Wing
X-Wing
Y-Wing
B-Wing
Z-95 Headhunter

I'd also like sort of easily managable resource system( such as trade vessels that go off the map or something and then come back with resources, or planet ownership) Because when fighting a massive Space/Land campaign I really don't want to monitor resources except if I'm mass producing or the gathering tools are being destroyed. That's all I can think of now...

Oh, I wasn't thinking the bonus would be a ship or a super weapon.

A character like Thrawn would give a bonus on the accuracy of the ships under his command.

Another character might increase repair speed etc.

Well i would like to see more Neutral planets and NPC.. like if u have a base you could move out with a small force or a singel unit to explore the galaxy and maybe find some useful things like reqruiting units or something like that.

and it would be cool if it had some EU content like if you explore an planet in the outer rim you could find some temple or something and find some intresting things like reading books or holos (just an ad to the story or something like from KOTOR games)

this would be cool couse then you could travel just for fun and building a base so you dont just fight in the war all the time.

some RPG elements?? lvl up and so? i liked that in warcraft3 you could lvl up ur heroes.:biggs:

idea's hey? Lets just start with ADD THE REPUBLIC AND CONFEDERACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right, now that's out of my system, I do actually have some suggestions-

1. Add the Republic

2. Add the Confederacy

3. Unit Veterancy - good because it adds realism to the game and it makes people want to keep their better units - also makes them less canon-fodderish

4. Have neutral planets with diplomacy - ie, people you can negotiate with/threaten into joining you, or letting you establish a secret base etc. Incidently, a side of generic planetary defences would be good so that if, for example, the Empire invades a non-Rebel neutral world, they fight that planets forces.

5. More advanced unit autonomy settings - a good example is 'Star Trek: Armada 2'. In that game, you could set the movement autonomy for your ships, and the weapons autonomy (what they would fire at). It's is much better than in any other game i have seen, and would be nice.

6. Better formations - another great example is 'Empires: Dawn of the Modern World'. A great selection of formations for any situation, although one nice feature would be to have a 'surround enemy' command.

7. As Lonepadawan said, eye candy. Different stormtrooper armour and different Rebel uniforms for normal/on ships, forest, desert and ice would be a good addition.

8. Generals - even if LA/Petroglyph insists on going on the rather dull and lacking two-sides approach, at least add different Generals/Commanders to give better gameplay variety.

9. Stop adding superflous EU material. For Imperial ground forces, they dont need the TIE Crawler, and would do just fine with the Speeder Bike, AT-ST and AT-AT. After all, the game is supposed to reflect the FILMS, not massively flawed EU.

I'm sure I could add more, and probably will. Basically, all of these idea's anyone can find in my SW RTS template which can be found by clicking on the link in my sig.

About most of the things here you don't even know if they are there or not...

About confederacy and republic, it would not fit in this game.

Response to Windu:

1,2,8, & 9: Basically, Wndu, what you are asking for is several different civs with maybe 20-30 units total per side, IE age of empires, SWGB, C&C Generals, etc. I don't really like that approach, because to me it would make much more sense if we had incredible DEPTH in say two unit sets, such as the empire and rebel alliance. Because now, you get that strategic element you are looking for that you claim you can only get with radically different civilizations. If we get say 30 units for land combat and 30 units for space combat, that's a pretty big pool of men to get lots of strategic ideas!

I honestly think Windu you are not being at all flexible with your ideas since. You give nothing even a remotely fair shot unless it completely coincides with what you want. I think some of it is good, especially veterancy, but I see them putting that in anyways because the Westwood guys are some of the first to make it commonplace, especially in C&C games. I also think they are doing the unit autonomy, but not in the sense you are because they are making the units attack what they recognize they can beat more easily unless you direct it to attack something else.

Heavy - no i'm not. What i'm asking for if four different civs with a reasonable number of units. Personally, I think that 30 different space units and 30 different ground units is excessive.

As for fairness, how am I not being fair? I was under the impression that this thread was for ideas, which I posted. If people want to pay attention, fine. If they dont, fine. All they are for though, is to add what I think would be good features to the game.

First impressions is everything Windu. You didn't do a good one. If you wonder why people will try to counter you at every corner, search no further.

Nevertheless, there's only two civs so 30 space and 30 ground units doesn't seem that excessive. Granted, it is a lot compared to any other RTS but it would be nice to have a huge variety of units instead of civs.

Though I do not like the Tie Crawler myself, I cannot see your reasoning behind:"There's no need for it".
First off, it's supposed to be a cheap attack tank. Do the Empire have anything in the movies that ressembles a cheap attack tank? No.
Thus they decided to go with the Tie Crawler. It may be ugly, I may dislike it but we'll see what it really does ingame before judging it.

BTW, if you wanted pure movies, you'd have near zero diversity.

Let's round up the pure canon units:

Empire:

Ground

Infantry
-Storm/Snow/Sandtrooper
-Scouttrooper
-Officer
-Navy Trooper
-AT-AT pilot
-AT-ST pilot
-Tie Fighter Pilot

Vehicles
-AT-ST
-AT-AT
-Speeder Bikes

Space
-Tie Fighter
-Tie Interceptor
-Tie Bomber
-Imperial Class Star Destroyer
-Super Star Destroyer
-Death Star I & II
-Lambda Class Shuttle

Total: 17

Rebel Alliance

Ground

Infantry
-Rebel Trooper(Hoth/Endor/Tantive IV)
-Taun Tauns

Vehicles
-Snowspeeder

Space
-X-Wing
-Y-Wing
-B-Wing
-A-Wing
-Excort Frigate
-Calamari Cruiser(mc80& mc40)
-Medium Transports
-Corelllian Corvette

Total: 11

That's a LOT of units...seriously, they add EU units for the sake of diversity.

And for PT its even less.

Republic

Space Units

Acclamator Class Assault Ship
and um...Naboo Starfighter?

(I would consider the Jedi Starfighter to be a hero unit, seeing as the Jedi would have force powers that could turn the tide of battle easily).

Air Units

Republic Gunship
Republic Dropship (you see them landing the walkers on Geonosis).

Ground Units

Clonetroopers
The 6 legged walkers from AOTC (I don't recall their name).


Seperatists

Space Units

Droid Star Fighter
Geonosian Fighter
Trade Federation Battleship

Air Units

Battledroid on STAP?

Ground Units

Battledroids
Super Battle Droids
Destroyer Droids
The small and large spider droids
Hailfire Droids

Granted, I don't know what we will see in Revenge of the Sith but I don't forsee it adding much to that list. Meaning that even if the game was PT based, they would have to design their own units or draw upon EU material to fill out the selection a bit.

Actually, Luke, the list is alittle larger:

Empire:

Ground

Infantry
-Storm/Snow/Sandtrooper
-Scouttrooper
-Officer
-Navy Trooper
-AT-AT pilot
-AT-ST pilot
-Tie Fighter Pilot
-Dewback

Vehicles
-AT-ST
-AT-AT
-Speeder Bikes

Space
-Tie Fighter
-Tie Interceptor
-Tie Bomber
-TIE Advanced x1
-Imperial Class Star Destroyer Mark I
-Imperial Class Star Destroyer Mark II
-Super Star Destroyer
-Death Star I
-Death Star II
-Lambda Class Shuttle
-Imperial Landing Craft
-That ship to ship shuttle craft (forget what it was)

Total: 23

Rebel Alliance

Ground

Infantry
-Rebel Trooper(Hoth/Endor/Tantive IV)
-Rebel Officer
-Taun Tauns

Vehicles
-Snowspeeder

Space
-X-Wing
-Y-Wing
-B-Wing
-A-Wing
-Escort Frigate
-Calamari Cruiser(mc40)
-Calamari Cruiser(mc80)
-Medium Transports
-Corellian Corvette

Total: 13

Jan that ship to ship shuttle is called a TIE Shuttle :D and just to head off Windu with his anti-EU babbling again I don't care about laws of Canon and whatnot what I care about is a good game that has balance.

We could actually get a lot of units if people wanted to ignore EU but were willin g top use Fucasfilms Concept art for the films after all there are a huge array of designs never used, but of course EU has to be in or it wouldn't be good and it wouldn't be balanced. for proof of that try playing SWGB with Movie Units only, I gurantee you it's near impossible.

Where is Vostok when you need him he needs to put a leash on Windu:p

Originally posted by DK_Viceroy
Jan that ship to ship shuttle is called a TIE Shuttle :D
Yes, that's what I thought I remember it was, but I wasn't sure (so I left it as a description instead. ;) ).



Also, please try not to turn every single thread that Windu posts in, into a "Windu versus the forums" fight!
That goes to everyone.

heh don't worry once Vostok gets his act together it'll be the "grand canon" of Star Wars Purism" V the true fans of Star Wars the Truists, I'm suprised he hasn't been bemoaning EU units as his his hobby:p

I'm not dragging in that fight just every time I used to make a mention of something EU a Purist would stick his/her head in and give me a lecture about the "laws" of Star Wars Canon, I've long considered them a pile of rubbish of course:p

Actually, even Vostok knows how to make sacrifices for gameplay.

I think this strongly worded sentence is appropriate:

Windu, stop bitching.

Now that that's over with, they need to give the Rebellion another capital ship: The mc90.

They have enough large capital ships IMO. They should have more light/medium sized ships to represent their reliance on quick strikes.

I have arrived. Forgive my lateness, but I have a few more important things to do at the moment than post on internet forums.

Now, first of all to the EU argument which is what my services were requested for:
The EU Argument
I have never said, nor have I ever believed, that a decent game can be made just using Canonical units. I do not object to the use of EU material to fill in a gap in the gameplay.

However, at the same time the EU should necessarily be in keeping with the general feel of the army in question. A huge AT-AT equivalent for the Rebels, for example, is right out because a brute strength unit does not fit with the Rebel style of warfare.

I'd like to, if I may, post once again my guidelines on how to maintain the right feel for Star Wars armies in an RTS game. Many of you have seen these plenty of times but I'm repeating them again for those who haven't. These are perhaps the laws that Viceroy mentioned above, but I'm not sure:

Vostok's Laws of Non-Canon Units and Star-Warsy-ness

1. It shall not replace or at least do-as-well-as a canon unit at a given task.

2. It is possible for it to exist as we did not see a type of warfare it excels at in the movies.

3. It shall not have some amazing ability that just about every army would have if they existed.

Now admittedly the TIE Crawler does not violate any of the laws. However as several others have said it just plain sucks as a unit concept. Why the Empire would ever use a tank when walkers are far superior is beyond my powers of comprehension. So obviously my laws fail to define exactly how to make a unit fit into the army. As a general guide it has to look like it has a decent role amongst existing Canon units, which the TIE Crawler does not. But that fact is too subjective to be defined by a fourth law.

Prequel Units
I too find it odd that the Prequel era has been ignored for this game. However unlike Windu I wouldn't say that the absence of them will make the game suck. There is just no logic in that statement.

However if an expansion pack were to be released with prequel units, I think it would be a cool idea for them to add only a single new civ in the form of the Confederacy, and merely expand the Empire to represent the Republic as well - since effectively they are the same army. The Empire as it stands already has some Republic units in it's forces, so expanding the Empire to include more would be cool. Perhaps there might have to be some restriction for the Empire so you can't access all of there units at the same time.

Other Ideas
As for my other thoughts on the game, they are pretty much exactly the same as lonepadawan's list at the start of the thread. However I disagree with his idea of shields. If you have to get inside a shield before your shots count, how do you take down X-Wings and Y-Wings? Perhaps for the capital ships and ground defences your idea is workable, but since it would be better to have a single model for all shields in the game I think the added rechargable hit points system is the only way to go.

Why Empire would use Tie Crawlers hmmmm here are a few reasons cost and more agile.

As for the prequal thing they are ignoring it because it is still brand new. They can make tons of games based on it in another 30 years time. You have Republic Commando and Episode 3 the game coming this year thats 2 games based on Prequals and probably more to be annouced.

If you have to get inside a shield before your shots count, how do you take down X-Wings and Y-Wings? Perhaps for the capital ships and ground defences your idea is workable, but since it would be better to have a single model for all shields in the game I think the added rechargable hit points system is the only way to go.

I was thinking of the ground shields mainly...

The rechargable hitpoints system is DULL. Imagine in ESB if Darth Vader had said "Oh they have a shield generator. That means they'll have more HP. Bombard the shield generator to destroy it, kill all the rebels and then we can go home for tea."

Besides... in the preview they mentioned shields stopping orbital bombardments and blocking certain weapon types.

Thinking further along the lines of capital ships going out of control and stuff I thought of somthing else: Blast damage. A star destroyer should do damage to surrounding units when it blows up.

Vostok the TIE Crawler also doesn't make that much sense because it was a bad design to start off with and it's performance was hardly spectacular.

They would be far better off giving them the Chariot LAV speeder, it's a fairly light vehicle designed before walkers were and still used because it's fairly cheap isn't vulnerable to some of the traps walkers fall into. It's quite effective at least until you could get walkers but not a unit that would be made obsolete by them.

Whoever said MC 90 doesn't know their timelines the MC 90 doesn't come into service to well after Endor that's why the MC 80 Model B was released as a stop gap measure.

I agree with Vostok on account of sheilds though perhaps we'd need to see more information on them before we could make definite decisions, I personally in favour of different type of Sheild Generators like Ray sheilding and particle sheilding and the like.

I of course ignore his laws as pointless but it's something that keeps hi happy so I'll leave it at there:p

I think though that the Empire should get the TIE Phantom as a fighter used in covert operations since Imperial Intelligence was certainly an effective bunch on par with the bothans.

They should also get the TIE Defender though make them very expensive and so you would reserve them for important operations and cherish the few they have, they shouldn't be in mass service or replace the TIE Fighters or Interceptors they were too expensive at the timeline the game looks at and nor where they in mass service at that time either, that comes at least 20 years later.

I think though that the Empire should get the TIE Phantom as a fighter used in covert operations since Imperial Intelligence was certainly an effective bunch on par with the bothans.
The empire's only weakness is their inability to stay undetected. Giving them this would destroy the balance.

Originally posted by DK_Viceroy

I think though that the Empire should get the TIE Phantom as a fighter used in covert operations since Imperial Intelligence was certainly an effective bunch on par with the bothans.


Note Covert Operations it wouldn't be a fighter you use in frontline duty it would be used for intelligence operations like a scouting mission or a raid on a rebel research facility or in general where a mission calls for the Empire's hand to remain invisible, and they can do it after all the Rebel Alliance didn't find out Palpatine allowed them to know about Endor until afterwards when Luke undoubtedly told them.

He means that they should have no means of spying or doing covert missions whatsoever. The Empire should rely on overwhelming the enemy only. If you give them Rebel abilities, it starts to becom unbalanced.

Diplomacy would be nice. As the Empire you could threaten to attack a neutral party if they didn't join. (Might not always work of course) Or you could persuade them as rebels.

I really want campaign to be turn based.

To a degree, I disagree with the empire having no covert. Probably not nearly as much as the Rebellion, and easier to uncover. But they had things that were done in secret. But I can see how it could be unbalanced.... hmmm...

I want a Homeworld type space battle system, but I don't think they are going to do that from the recent previews. Oh and Radius damage would be good too. (well for the larger ships)

Luke it would be unbalanced if the Empire had no covert ops since they definetly do not seem the type to raid :p

they did after all say that big battles wern't the only way to decide a batle which hints at Covert Ops and it's unrealistic to think that the empire had no Covert Ops.

Originally posted by DK_Viceroy
Luke it would be unbalanced if the Empire had no covert ops since they definetly do not seem the type to raid :p

they did after all say that big battles wern't the only way to decide a batle which hints at Covert Ops and it's unrealistic to think that the empire had no Covert Ops.
Originally posted in GameSpot
It's true that the Empire will generally begin the game in a very strong position, with many planetary holdings and the wherewithal to build huge armies. However, the Empire will, as noted, not be able to conceal its movements, nor will it have a firm grasp on exactly where its enemies lie or what they're up to.

that however does not mean when they know where their enemies are they cannot do covert operations nor does it say that they are incapable of finding those things out it merely says that compared to the rebels.

i think we do need confederacy and republic. and there could be a lot more units than people have said.

Republic:

Clones
non clone troopers
clone commandos

AT-TE
AT-XT (i think thats what it is)
Fighter tank
speeder bike

Gunship
Gunship vehicle transport

V-19 torrent starfighter
ARC starfighter from ROTS
Accelmator assult ship
Victory Star Destroyer
star Destroyer from ROTS
dreadnoght (spel?)

Total: 15

CIS:

battle droid/super/spider
non droid soldiers
mercinaries

spider droid
AAT
MTT
treaded tank(not sure what its called)

MAF
Droid starfighter

droid starfighter
droid bomber (from GB)
Battledroid control ship
droid landing ship
various CIS crusiers from ROTS
dreadnoght

Total~17

these are just what i thought off the top of my head. there could be many more from other comics/ROTS/books.

Originally posted by DK_Viceroy
Luke it would be unbalanced if the Empire had no covert ops since they definetly do not seem the type to raid :p

they did after all say that big battles wern't the only way to decide a batle which hints at Covert Ops and it's unrealistic to think that the empire had no Covert Ops.

They seem to be the type to overwhelm their enemy with big guns and big noise.

I'm not saying there was no covert operations or sabotage done by the Empire in SW, I'm saying for the sake of gameplay, leave that to the Rebels.

Gameplay>Realism

nuff said.

The Empire are going to need some kind of scouting unit or ability to track down the Rebels. Otherwise they would never be found.

now what oh what does the Empire send hordes of across the galaxy in episode 5 oh dearf me what could they be.

They have Probots though they could have the TIE Scout

I know what scout units they have but Luke was saying that he thinks giving them scout abilities would make them unbalanced.

They also have there speeder bikes.

The Empire should have some scouting and intelligence gathering abilities but they should both be limited.

Covert (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=covert)

Scouting (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=scouting)

Who said anything about them not having scouting abilities?
Covert actions are a different thing then scouting.
Covert would often imply sabotage, assassination, destruction of evidences, etc.

I agree with lukeiamyourdad. The Empire would be very limited in their covert operations, but that in no way implies limited scouting ability.

The Empire is all about establishing presence, not sneaking around. That's why Stormtroopers wear white, so the enemy sees them coming and fears for their lives. To paraphrase Grand Moff Tarkin, fear is what keeps the enemies of the Empire in line, and establishing a huge presence and showing no fear themselves works well to that end.

Of course the Empire needs scouting units though. Not just the Probe Droid, but when they have units called Scout Trooper and All Terrain Scout Transport you'd have to think they have some scouting ability.

The way I see it working is that the Empire has to scout to locate their enemy, whereas the Rebels don't necessarily have to do the same. I think this is a great idea and really works to differentiate the two civs and accentuate their styles of warfare.

Originally posted by Admiral Vostok
The way I see it working is that the Empire has to scout to locate their enemy, whereas the Rebels don't necessarily have to do the same.
No, because it's pretty clear where the Empire is: everywhere. ;)

I'm sure the Empire has done there fair share of assassinations and sabotage. Jan is right the Empire are everywhere thats why they don't hide to keep the galaxy pumped full of fear. The Rebels will be using alot of hiding and establishing small bases building a force then abandoning the base once the Empire has spotted them.

Rebel role is to save as many as it can once found by the Empire until it has enough strength to face them. Empire seeks them out and wants to cause alot of casulties to stop there Rebellion from growing.

id like to see more planets than just 20, i wanna see like 40 or 50 planets

ok. Make up names and map designs so they don't feel like carbon copies of each other. And possibly design new models and textures for the new terrain types for some of the new ones.

luke - I never claimed that the game should be completely film units, EU units are needed for diversity. However, they should supplement cannon units, not replace them or do things better than them. Also, as for film units, they would include

Empire
1. Infantry
- Stormtrooper
- Officer
- AT-ST Pilot
- AT-AT Pilot
- Scout Trooper
- E-web Team (the machine gun at Hoth)
- Trooper on Dewback

2. Mechanised
- Speeder Bike
- AT-ST
- AT-AT

3. Aircraft
- TIE Fighter
- TIE Interceptor
- TIE Bomber
- Lambda Shuttle
- TIE Shuttle
- Assault Shuttle (start of Ep4)
- Darth Vader's TIE Fighter

4. Space
- Star Destroyer
- Super Star Destroyer
- Death Star Mk.1
- Death Star Mk.2

Which comes to 21 units without resorting to EU.


Rebels
1. Infantry
- Trooper
- Repeater Trooper (machine gun in the trenches on Hoth)
- Officer
- Commando
- Trooper of Tauntaun

2. Aircraft
- (Snow)speeder
- X-wing
- Y-wing
- B-wing
- A-wing

3. Space
- Corellian Corvette
- Escort Frigate
- Mon Cal Cruiser
- Home One

Which comes to 14 units with no EU.


Republic
1. Infantry
- Clone Trooper
- Jedi Knight
- Clone Officer
- Gunship Pilot

2. Mechanised
- Speeder Bike (not in the films, but on the DVD)
- AT-TE
- SPHA-T

3. Aircraft
- Gunship
- Dropship
- Jedi Starfighter
- Clone Fighter (Ep3)

4. Space
- Republic Assault Ship
- Republic Cruiser

So that makes 12 units.


Confederacy-
1. Infantry
- Battle Droid
- Security Droid
- Pilot Droid
- Super Battle Droid
- Droideka/Destroyer Droid

2. Mechanised
- Battle Droid on STAP
- Dwarf Spider Droid
- Homing Spider Droid
- AAT
- Hailfire Droid
- MTT

3. Aircraft
- Droid Starfighter
- Geonosian Starfighter

4. Space
- Trade Federation Battleship
- Rocketship

So that comes to 15 units.


Obviously, you need EU units to pad out these forces, especially in non-Rebel space forces. However, in terms of Imperial vehicles, the Speeder, AT-ST and AT-AT would work fine. I should also point out that if you combined the Republic and Empire, you would get a total of 27 completely film units.

You forgot the second type of star destroyers seen in the films, the Mk II.

Really? There were Mark IIs in the movies? I couldn't tell the difference.