[eVe]DeathBoLT:
Ji O rules generated a weaker sort of gunners I think.. Oasis NF take packs is the way to go..
I agree. I'm not saying that there aren't Ji O players that aren't capable of being good in "take packs" as well as "leave packs" but people seem to forget that Ji Oasis was created to be a "training level" to train for Canyon Oasis. Those people who only play "leave packs" are missing out on the other great elements of deathmatch. They are under the misconception that the one who holds the Concussion Rifle is the one who wins, when in reality, the one with the best strategy/aim/timing wins.
MadPoster
Most clans are for wusses.
Statements like that are meant only to offend those who are in clans/guilds and to do so is pointless. Showing your bias by insulting clan members by calling them "wusses" doesn't prove anything other than showing that you don't have any evidence to back up your theory. I myself and am in a clan and have been since 1998. I don't understand why being in a clan, makes you a "wuss." I've been studying martial arts and other forms of combat since I was in middle school(am now 21) and doubt very much that I or anyone else with reasonable intelligence would be afraid of a video game or a person that plays against us in a video game.
TheJackal:
I wont spend hours trying to better myself or practice certain moves because I know this will bring nothing.
It brings one countless hours of enjoyment/fun. Gaming is considered an escape and a sport by many of us. Did Michael Jordan play Basketball for bragging rights? I would like to think that he did it for fun and for the love of the game. It's inevitable that computer gaming will eventually become a televised sport. We are already seeing "professional gamers" being sponsored by companies such as Gamespy.
Sure, you can brag about it with your friends or people you don't know.
You seem to be generalizing skilled players. There are alot of skilled players that take pride in having nice attitudes in and out of the game. Just because someone is a top player in a particular game, doesn't necessarily mean that they are like the smack-talkers that are the majority.
Chewie_Rips
could it be because it takes more time to get good at NF sabers, since allot more people play this than anything else??
Although you have a valid point, I would have to explain that there are alot of players like myself, who were beating top 25 players on Cases Ladder when we had less than 6 months of JK experience. There are alot of FFers that I can't lay a hand on, even after years of practice. Why all categories of JK take skill, I would argue that some may take more than others, although you could say that this is mere speculation.
Maybe you got good or Elite...lol...at ff guns, ff sabers, cause it was easier for you with allot less competition.
FF is at least as difficult to master as NF. I don't think that there is much of an argument here because of the flood of extra keys and techniques that must be mastered in FF. Again, all categories of JK take skill, people may disagree on how much skill, but there is no hardcore evidence in either argument.
Plus, most people wouldn't take the time to get good at guns in jk, when they can play CT or UT??
There are countless JK NF gunners that could probably go and play Q3 or UT but they stick with JK. I would argue that they do this because of the netcode, because they prefer JK's weapons and because they prefer the SW universe. Q3 and UT are good games, but JK NF guns is nothing like those games(besides that fact that you must aim to hit something).
Maybe you chose to get good at guns in JK cause there was too much competition in other games like UT and CT???
There is good competition in all categories of every game. There are alot of hardcore NF gunners in JK and even those hardcore JK gunners of the past have gone on to be good gunners in other games. I wouldn't assume that new games such as UT have better competition, they just have "more" competition, because of the player population differences.
as far as Most of the players wanted to play sabers, ff or nf...this alone makes it impossible to dominate jk, or jko.
True. The only way to "dominate" a game would be to have the top players in all categories of that game. To ignore some categories while playing others, is anything but "dominaton."
I myself think of games as a sport. There are thousands of clans that think in this same way. They are the clans that compete on ladders and in tournaments. Some of us play for the love of competition while enjoying the benefits of comradery and some play for just fun alone. Either way, people should play for whatever reason they want and shouldn't be made to feel inferior because of their choice. I consider myself to be a hardcore gamer at the moment, but eventually I will be working 40 hours a week and going to school full time and won't have the time to be a hardcore gamer anymore. I would like to think that I would still be respected as a casual gamer, in the same way that I was as a hardcore gamer. It's all about fun. Choose how you want to have fun and stick with it, but realize that alot of us are in clans because we find it "fun" not because we want to brag about our skills.
I've been studying martial arts and other forms of combat since I was in middle school(am now 21) and doubt very much that I or anyone else with reasonable intelligence would be afraid of a video game or a person that plays against us in a video game.
And what does that have to do with most of the whiny chumps that form clans? The ones where I get the beg boot from games because that think I am cheating, when in fact they can't play the game and I am just kick them across the map. I don't cheat, I don't see the need for it.
I don't expect anyone to be scared of me. It's only a vidiot game, and any chumps opinions don't need a shred of evidence to back them up, just personal experence.
Don't get me wrong, there are a few (very very few) clans that seem ok, (MERC (sp?)comes to mind)but I am still not interested in them.
Clans don't make you elite. Skill makes you elite. And blow hards are ineveitable full of air. Someone needs to bring them down, and I volinteer.
Any other points you need me to clarify?
Any buddy?
Great counter thoughts to my post ReActer, and I agree with most of the statements, as we are on the same page...I was basically stating a point, in various different ways.
Althgouh I do not play in a clan, I think beeing part of a clan, or a team, is great for those who enjoy it. However, from my experiance, most clan memebers seem to think that since they are in a clan,only memebers of there clan or other clans have skill and are worthy opponents or hardcore gamers. Its almost like they join a clan just for the notiriety, and stature( i dont want to include all clan members under this statement, I'm just pointing out the higher percentage, or majority) The funny side of this, most clan members also sign on with names that don't have their clan name associated with them, so they can play in a relaxed game with indivdual or non clan members. And I completely agree with you about there being allot of competition in all formats of play, and that it takes equal amount of skill and dedication to be good at what you do..I was just simply stating that, based on fact, there would be more hardcore, or higher skilled players( just cause more play) in nf Sabers than say FF guns, and so on. Meaning, since there are multiple options to play JK, it would be easier to achieve stature in the less frequently played formats. And I agree that ToRment and other players may play JK guns, for there own personal reasons, but to make a statment that NF Sabers is weak, or takes less skill because of lag and other reasons, simply leads me to belive he has a little hostility towards this format, since he has acheived more with guns. As I have told ToRment numerous times, his preference are his prefernce and he should do what makes him happy. However, making bold statmements with out justiying them, simply leaves him vulerable to intellegent deabte.....Your comments all around though were great, and intellegently spoken....
:D
MadPoster:
Thanks for clarifying your view. It seems that you just didn't choose the right word when you used "wusses". Generally people use the word "wuss", "wussy" or "wussie" as a replacement for the rhyming word that is a part of the female anatomy. That just implied to me that you were saying that either clanners were a part of the female anatomy, or that they were somehow less of a man because they are in a clan. Again, thanks for clarifying.
"If you dont have the link, ask a WD for it on the zone. Unless we know you and you have a rep among the elites, Ill delete your post"
This statement pretty much somes it up, in terms of unparralled egotistic behavior...Unless we know you??? If you have a rep among the elites?? If you haven't heard of someone, that means they are not "Worthy" or welcome....god help you....you should be carefull of the way you portray yourself, as you never know who your talking to....
"There is a topic on the WD board that you (good players
chewie, his way of thinking is derived from the sad state of the JK community. its so small that its hard to be good and NOT known.
gives up counting the number of times his been asked if he is an alias
[ July 20, 2001: Message edited by: KillerBee ]
I'm like a bird...
I only fly away...
I dunno where my soul is...
I dunno where my home is.
Glad to see people starting to use the Clan Recruiting board! Best of luck on all your future ventures.
However, I will say that I find it amusing that anybody here is claiming they know who is going to be good at JK2.
In all truth and honesty, nobody can say they will be good at it, until the game has been released and people have had time to practice and learn the new stuff. There WILL be many new things, it won't be identical to JK/MotS or Quake3.
The trickle of information from Raven/LEC we've been getting has been making this point more and more clear, as I see it.
Obviously, there is still a lot we don't know about the MP gameplay, and until each of us gets hands-on, we can't begin to start to master the new challenges.
Yes basic FPS skills will I'm sure have some effect, but even in the case of MotS, I remember "elite" JKers having to learn new stuff (and many of them getting frustrated because they weren't automatically dominating MotS games like they had JK), myself included.
So my advice is, go ahead and form up your ranks now if you want to, but leave the trash talking and bragging (about future and potential key word here, victories) until you can actually meet on the servers.
Incidentally, I would not join a clan, unless it were something like the "official/unofficial" JK2.net clan/group idea that was suggested some time ago.
My reasons being, not that I am not a good player, or cannot be, but that I like to play a variety of game types, I like to play with different people, and I am not so caught up in "our group is the best/has to be the best/win at all costs" type of attitude that I think (unfortunately) many clans have. The image they project to me is of a group of people who can't enjoy themselves unless they were constantly crushing and insulting their opponents.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with enjoying competition. Obviously that has a place and is very enjoyable for a good many players, myself included. I just think that when this becomes the only goal, without admitting that no one is so good that they will never ever lose (there is always somebody potentially better or luckier than you), that it hurts their's and others enjoyment of the game. I hate playing against sore losers or people who non-stop trash talk when they win.
Maybe I have given an unfair assesment of clanners in general, but unfortunatley I've seen a lot of it in the JK community in the past (which is probably not something unique to the JK community either). I've known a few clans that were good groups that encouraged each other to get better and were good competition, but at the same time had good sportsmanship. It were these types of groups that made me proud to be part of the online JK community.
Sorry for the rant.. and good luck! ; )
Kurgan
[ August 06, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ]
One other thing I forgot to mention, is on the issue of "ganging up" (ie: having an "alliance" with another player in a "free for all" game).
Personally I can't condemn this practice, because I've done it myself, and I've had it done on me (and I didn't complain).
Maybe it takes less skill than beating everyone on your own to dominate a game, I admit that. Of course not everyone works as a good team.
In fact, it was actually quite fun in most cases, where somebody was REALLY GOOD and a friend and I worked together to try to defeat him (along with the other participants of course).
On other occasions when I was joining a game, I noticed that I was the best player there, so when the other players were getting discouraged, I suggested that they team up against me (which they agreed to readily). And this is what I often do even when I am not the host.
I think that in either of these cases, it is alright to do, but it's probably not for everyone. The host of the game has the final say (which I think it ultimately comes down to anyway on the issue of game rules). If the people joining don't like it, they can find another game or host their own, etc.
Kurgan
[ August 06, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ]
all im gona say is this...JK2 is a NEW game with new dynamics and a new way of things...just because you were king in Q2 doesnt mean you'll be king in Q3...in fact those of us who play Q3 rather than JK or UT will be alot more familiar with the game dynamic than anyone else...so about this "super Clan"...all im gona say is ill see you guys out there... ;)
Well said Kurgan. (psst its Osyrus) :p
Anyhow, a super clan could work if the game was released, duh! ;)
I have to agree with Kurgan, mostly because the ones that talk the most trash whine the loudest when I whup em.
That is not a boast, just a statment of fact. :cool:
i starting playing jedi knight awhile back in like mid 98. i started out as NF sabers because it was the moajority of games on the zone. i did the newbie thing drifted from clan to clan for awhile until i joined "The Ancients". i joined right before the peak of taht clan, and really i had no idea what a clan should be before that. we had so much fun on t he zone, i can honestly say i played and enjoyed doing so with nearly all of the 40+ members at one time or another. it was a great clan, some of the most fun ive had in jedi knight, and its where i learned my basic gunning skills and some FF. when i see people degrading clans in general, it sort of makes me mad. you cant just state "clans are dumb" or something to that effect. it really depends on the clan, especially when you get to clans that are at the upper levels of the game (not implying ancient was :p ). ancient fell apart after a year and a half (about 8 months after i joined). i really drifted from TeK to NK then i went on a hiatus from JK for a few months for personal reasons. when i returned i started playing pickup NF guns games with some of my old pals that where still around, and i met HDK_Deathbolt (he be da man!! :)).
we played some FF bgj teams games, along with just hanging out on the zone. i was also good friends with hdk_gresuf and sheff. soon i was in HDK and honing my NF guns and FF guns skills. this game is like nothing else, and it makes me very nostalgic to think of it being too much differant in JK2. i know many of us (including myself) strive to be in the elite group of players online. well, what im trying to say is that when i was in Ancient, it was like my have fun newbie days, just messing around and having good times with online buds. but, when i was in hdk (still am :D ), it was like my days of striving to get good and be one of the elite players on the zone. and really, those are the two types of players posting here. the have-funs and the competitives. between my have-fun days with ancient, and my competetive days with hdk, i can honestly say i enojyed them both nearly the same, but in very differant ways. there is no right or wrong to this game, it is defanetly IMHO the best game of all time. i hope to expierence the best of both worlds in JK2, whether it be on my own, in a JK2 elite superclan, or just with a group of buds messing around online. if raven can recreate that kind of versatility and fun, i will be more than satisfied. ant btw i hope its on the zone :) i know it wont be but still.. zone is unmatched in community.. well that is my post.
True enough.. you really can't know if you're going to be good at JK2 until you've put in the time and practice to get good (after it comes out).
After all, the people who played JK/MotS might have an idea of the force/saber, although it will be different in JK2, and the lag will be different. Plus the weapons will be different.
People who play Q3/Q3:TA/ST:Elite Force may be familiar with the network model, but they won't be with the force and sabers or the new weapons.
General FPS skills may help you learn how to fight with the guns quicker than somebody who is new to FPS games, and using sabers might come quicker to those who are familiar with using melee weapons in games like JK and Rune. And using Force powers may come quicker to those JKers, but you're right: it's a whole new ball game.
So nobody will be completely prepared, and nobody will be an automatic master, we'll all just have to learn together, then we'll see who's "elite."
Celestial, good to see you again. How many name changes have you gone through?
Let me count some of the ones I think I remember, correct me if I'm wrong:
Osyrus Kenobi
at least two others before that
LordMinkus
PS: About the Zone, I hope it's NOT there, personally, as the Zone had some of the worst slowest, buggiest software and the poorest moderation I'd ever seen. The only reason it was good for JK was because it was the ONLY official place to play JK. Microsoft and LEC had a deal, and the only other places to play were very small and unofficial by comparison.
It wasn't until basically this year that you saw GameSpy Arcade add JK/MotS and start up a second place to play, but last I checked it was still very small in comparison to the Zone (maybe 1-5% of the games being played online).
Wherever the players go, that is the community, doesn't matter where you build it, so long as you build it. I just want to have a choice where to play, that's all.
Kurgan
[ August 11, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ]
actually
Osyrus
Osi-Den
Celestial
its because everyone had Osyrus in other games, but hardly anyone used Celestial. : /
forgive me? :p
the likelyhood of DSbr and WD joining is slim. AeRoN will never let DSbr die or go away. The only way a merger between WD and DSbr is DSbr absorbing WD.
Yeah that always sucks, there's a couple of folks on my list who've changed names so much, I don't even remember how I know them.. ; p
Kurgan
i play rune and i play Q3...and im used to using various hot keys for the rune power ups...so basically i would be the dogs bollocks in JK2?!...cool!!! :D
Doubtfull, because the powers in Rune are very different from those in JK/MotS and those purported to be in JK2.
In Rune, except for the blood lust pickup (just a damage enhancer, like the Quad damage from Quake fame), and the health pickup (just your generic "mega health"), all of the runes are enhancements for your WEAPONS. That is, if you're carrying the Sigurd Axe, and you use the Rune power, it turns it into an Ice Axe temporarily. If you chuck the weapon or switch to another, the effect ends.
So being good at Rune probably wouldn't have any bearing on you being good at JK2 (in theory), except for some basic third person sword fighting tactics.
Kurgan
Ahh the ancients now there was a good group of guys.. I myself was retiring from JK about the time the ancients came about but they did invite me to join but since I had played so much in the past I was ready to move on to other things. I will be glad to see a good group of NF saberists like ancient spring up in the future. BTW what was your ancient name? I may know you since I have fought with some of you guys b4.
I think the idea of Uber clans is a little dumb though ... GOD wasnt an uber clan by any means but I defeated many good players from many clans Ancients, merc, element, WaR, and WD included in those. Just because you are a member of an uber guild doesnt mean there aren't better players out there .. some of the best players I have ever played remained guildless.
[ August 16, 2001: Message edited by: GOD_Soul_Star ]
This is all very funny. This was origionaly posted in the main discussion as an invitation to the true hardcore JKers. It was moved, and every newbie had to put his/her 2 cents into a topic with was none of his/her buisness, as the origional intent excluded the many.
There are only 2 or 3 people on this topic that I respect as FFers. It was funny to read the the things that come out of a newbie mind though lol.
BTW, It doesn't matter how long you've played JK. I've encountered people who have played for years and still haven't a clue. I was raping longtimers into the negs after only a few months. What matters is what you know and what attitude you possess.
true torment, absolutely true.
I can always count on this thread for a good laugh :cool:
wtf lol you guys are friggin hilarious
whats with all this l33t **** lol
Everyone starts from scratch yes? Well there are certain people who will be the ones who discover all the tricks, tactics, what works and what doesn't for JK2 (MaReZ, Shinji, Luke18...). Most likely, these people will be the same ones who did it in JK.
Sure these guys may find some tricks but unless they are familiar with the q3 engine i extremely doubt that (barr shinji). They will allready be at a disavntage for not knowing any circular strafing or long jumping or even how to move properly. They will be liek all people who start q3... moving horribly.
An empire of all the best players from JK1 is still a cool idea though hehe.
Yes it is but dont count on them... personally i think the DH, MERC and IRN guys will cain everyone as tehy were the best in their day at JK and know Q3 inside and out. These dsbr and wd people know JK but they dont know Q3.
Ya just read what DB said...your 100% right.
This is all very funny. This was origionaly posted in the main discussion as an invitation to the true hardcore JKers. It was moved, and every newbie had to put his/her 2 cents into a topic with was none of his/her buisness, as the origional intent excluded the many.
statements like this torment truly show your inexperience with large groups of people and why your elite group will not succeed. You can count on may people purposely opposing this and teh people in it if they are goign to be so arrogant and think themselves as god. Currently it is a level playing field where you sit evenly with someone who has never played JK or q3. Everyone is entitle to post on this thread...if you dont want peoples opinions then dont post here.
[ August 18, 2001: Message edited by: YubYub ]
Actually, that last post was meant to showcase my arrogance, bad attitude, and utter lack of respect for MOST people.
If you don't have the right mindset, you'll never get anywhere.
[ August 18, 2001: Message edited by: -WD- ToRMeNt ]
LOL
ur a fruitcake
[ August 19, 2001: Message edited by: foob ]
yub, q3s jumps were toggleable, and not just bugs as original, they could be turned off in mods. raven might opt to turn them off in jo.. I hope not, as I love trick jumps.
I can't remember if EF had them switched on.. I didnt get into it properly but that might be an indication.
As for the people who will do best, my money is on old jkers who changed to q2 and q3..
like one of my mates at uni, who used to be high up on nf sabs ladders, but moved to q3.
I've dabbled with the quakes, but appart from learning to trick jump and lan games haven't played seriously online, tho I intend to play more, when I get round to it..
Yes a few mods have turned off the depth of movement in q3 which in my opinion is Q3's best attribute. If Raven keep the movement the same as VQ3 then you can count on what i said happening. I know a lot of extremely good players in q3 that still have shocking movement but can still beat 80% of the q3 community.
1 of the mods out there for Q3 has an older style of movement which some belive to be the bee's knees and others who think it is terrible. The promode movement though can really distinguish players though. If you are an expert mover in VQ3 then it will take you a while to get the promode movement down perfect as well as all teh bunny hops and the new jumps you can do on each map by exploiting the movement.
Personally i hope JK sticks to the VQ3 movement and leaves the older q2 cpma movement models behind as i think they would be 2 fast for accurate saber battles and are only good for small maps.
mm Q3s jump dynamics is what made me play if first.. where as before I was playing ut more.. but it just adds another dimension..
I would like them to keep them on, however the use of them might not be extremely useful if force speed is the same as in jk.. I doubt you would have the room to build up the speed..
also the force might be reason for them to turn them off, as they may think the force is where the intresting dynamics should come from instead..
Personally I prefered q2s jump dynamics to q3s, double jumps were great, and it always seemed easier to bunny hop in for me.
Clans, IMO, are mainly based on attitude. If you don't like clans, that is your attitude and opinion. There is no reason for all this back and forth crap. Still that is my opinion.
Myself, I stuck to Kali and had a lot of fun when people from the Zone came to challenge us to NF sabers. They were slaughtered for the most part.
Plus, I have a friend who was in WD (WD_HTML i believe his nick was). He is one of the nicest people you could meet, and he did an excellent training people.
I also have a friend who was in DSBr (DSBr_combo).
Also a friend who was in MERC (MERC_Patwar)
Clans can be "elite". As long as they provide more fun than you would have on your own. (which I believe to be a lot more, especially in the case that you know people you can game with).
Saying you don't like clans = fine.
Insulting other clans = idiotic.
Side Note: If Oasis is not in JK2, then myself or another mapper will most likely map it themselves.
-DarkEra
[ August 23, 2001: Message edited by: DarkEra ]
Despite many offers I always stayed clanless, simply cause when I was "growing up" I made many friends from all over.
where as people who had seemingly been friendly to other players, got very insulting to people who joined a rival clan.
that seem completely stupid so I decided to stay out of it all, although It would prolly have helped my play a lot if I had joined, it just seemed to much hassle..
where is HTML at now? I havent seen him since he was a she :) (well so someone told me he was a she after (s)he left the zone, tho I always thought html was a bloke.. might have just been bs. tho I never saw him/her again to ask.)
As for stating you will be building CO, well I would wait, if the dynamics of jk2 are significantly different you might end up spoiling the level, I always thought the conversion for mots was annoying as hell, it never felt right, the water and stuff..
my personal view is to leave Oasis as a classic of gaming back in jk, where it plays perfectly.. and get on to new pastures.
Killerbee is right,
they always say never go back or it will ruin what you had before.
I think that would fit perfectly here, its time try out something different.
wardz
LOL You didn't know WD_HTML very well. HTML was a her not a him.
WTF i want in the super clan the only problem is gona be the community the elites wont play jk2 on zone cause its not peer to peer and will be laggy so a couumnity hasto be made,
Originally posted by -WD- ToRMeNt:
<STRONG>LOL You didn't know WD_HTML very well. HTML was a her not a him.</STRONG>
Have you ever met him off the computer?
I have never met a girl with the name of Peter.
As for where HTML is now, he was helpin me with a bunch of things on Kali, and now once again dissapeared into the devilish world of Everquest as a guide.
[ August 24, 2001: Message edited by: DarkEra ]
I quite like the idea of a jk2 superclan because then u could c the best of the original game and the only probs would be there would be no rivalry in other clans probably if dsbr and WD join cause they kick ass, it would cause of the other guys to **** emselves and not play yous and hten u would have no-one to play it with but otherwise it's a good idea...... And after that (we/u whatever u pick)would show them This Game aint for pussies!!
And as for being so big headed, being big headed gives u strengh so i would be but i'm 2 modest :) (not really) and what about BSBRampage..... He was good
Elite is a word that, interestingly enough, people label themselves or their clanmates as. That, my friends, is sheer arrogance. If you need to label yourself and your friends, then you have some personal identity problems. If you're going to go around doing that, why don't you just walk around the streets of your home town and point to yourself saying "rich" or "handsome"? There's always someone out there whpo has an advantage over you in that one area you brag about. It's the entire package that makes you an individual, not a label.
i would be interested in joining torment, i havent played jk in a while though i was in a clan called dsa when i did play but they broke up, anyways jk2 will be completely different from the original so people's skill levels will dramatically change, my friend matt might want to join as well...last i knew his name was (??)_droors i forgot the clan name he is in now
Would that have been DSbr_Droors? I knew him and I think we did a WD vs DSbr battle once(THINK it was Me/Gambit vs Droors/some other dsbr and we won) WD and DSbr have always been the top FF clans and rivals. Anyways the superclan idea had died down a bit do to some conflicts within the competative JK community, which is almost non existant now anyway.
DSbr is more or less dead now but WD lives on. We were friends and not just team mates. Once you actually join you'll find WDs to be great people, but we arn't always so respectfull to unknowns.
Anyway we've already had some old time WD legands come back to the clan/get active again (Prodigy, Rage, Gambit, Luke18 and others). Granted our overall activity has slumped just like every other jk clan, but when JK2 comes out...
We do live with the possibility that JK2 will suck and/or be newbie. It won't matter because Unreal2 will be out at about the same time. Q4 and Doom will be out in about and year as well.
If ur intrested check out
www.wdonline.com). (
http://www.wdonline.com.) Also we have #wdonline at irc.enterthegame.com. We only recruit JK members who are expert. We except members in UT and rogue spear who arn't expert though. For U2 and JK2 we'll recruit based on potential. Course, when JK2 and UT2 have been around for a while it'll be a lot harder to get into WD for those games.
[ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: -WD- ToRMeNt ]
ya he was in dsbr..not sure if hes in that clan now but im pretty sure he was in it..i dont know if hes still doing FF though i heard he was in top nf gunner clan on the zone, i guess he changed playing style or something.
i cant belive you people are still going on this thread
Hey what did ya expect.. we're talking about WD here, they'll never give up :)The L337 thing is good for ur ego but u don't c yoda or qui gonn taking the piss out of Obi in TPM do u?
You guys crack me up........
[ This was inappropriate, please show some respect on our forums, thanks. - Kurgan ]
[ November 16, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ]