Also, I'm pretty sure the youngling in the scene with Senator Organa actually gets killed. Another reason he couldn't be the apprentice. I really liked that scene....
PoiuyWired wrote:
I have thought of the Jacen Flow-Walk idea actually when someone first mentioned time travel. But really, dude does not look like a jacen.
The Revan case is quite unlikely. Though it would be cool to see a frozen Revan coming back to life. For one, Revan would probably escape quite easily...
Well, it would be interesting if dude is a Midiclorian Induced Lifeform... It would be nice if it is anything close to this.
Dash Randar is most probably not force sensative, and prefers waxing his lightsaber on androids anyways.
It was sarcasm on my part, sorry :)
I was just pointing out by my examples that the way the EU goes isn't my thing. I really don't like the Flow Walk stuff. And I don't like the way they screwed up some characters as well. Come on...at the current book series, Luke is 59 years old, Han Solo even 69! It's slowly shattering my vision of Star Wars. I mean...I always asociated Star Wars with young people traveling around, living all sorts of adventures.
The Jedi Knight and Kotor games handled the EU very well, imo. Jedi Knight was placed not to lang after the movies, and by adding movie-character cameo's, the 'adventure' feel is relived.
I hope TFU will do the same thing for me. I certainly hope so, and the signs are positive. We got a love interest, two camps (Khota Lights Side and Darth Vader Dark side) fighting over the boy, a droid for comical relief, and rich environnements to walk through.
Twist Idea: Luke comes in in a wheelchair and with all sorts of life-supporting mechanics, breathing like his dad (Kooooohhhaaaaaaaaa), because he used time travel!
Twist Idea: Luke comes in in a wheelchair and with all sorts of life-supporting mechanics, breathing like his dad (Kooooohhhaaaaaaaaa), because he used time travel!
Dude that idea is worse than the idea of a Zombie Padme, ex-special-op turned cyborg with katanas, people living in the anus of giant space crab-ships or post-op transexual Ventress.
Dude that idea is worse than the idea of a Zombie Padme, ex-special-op turned cyborg with katanas, people living in the anus of giant space crab-ships or post-op transexual Ventress.Not by much. :p
Dude that idea is worse than the idea of a Zombie Padme, ex-special-op turned cyborg with katanas, people living in the anus of giant space crab-ships or post-op transexual Ventress.
I know :giggle1: !
Okay, seriously? Juno Eclipse is meant to be vital to the storyline right? She's meant to be something of a moral compass right? Maybe given the tone of the game the apprentice kills her in the most horrible way to show that Sith are not cool, but outright ****s.
To all those who say the Apprentice is Revan/Jacen/Anakin's Brother/Palpatine's son/A clone trooper's son/ect: Where the heck do you get these ridiculous ideas? I don't mean to be rude, but they sound inane, even for Lucasarts.
Maybe The Apprentice has something to do w/ the formation of the Alliance (if it's a LS ending)? I can't think of anything else that would be so important that we've never heard of before...
I doubt he'll have anything to do with the Rebellion. There's enough backstory on that anyhow.
Okay, seriously? Juno Eclipse is meant to be vital to the storyline right? She's meant to be something of a moral compass right? Maybe given the tone of the game the apprentice kills her in the most horrible way to show that Sith are not cool, but outright ****s.
What makes you think Juno is going to be the moral compass? She's in the fricking Empire. The Empire which discriminates against non-humans, rules mercilessly with an iron fist, and razes entire planets because they might have Rebels on them. If Juno is a moral compass, I'm gonna be pissed. I'm sick of all the pansy good guys mucking stuff up.
I personally think it would be a great ending to have the Apprentice killed by Jerec. Reasons?
1. The Apprentice doesn't have some grand legacy. He doesn't deserve one. He's just some punk who ran around and did dirty work for Darth Vader.
2. Adds on to the list of things that Jerec accomplished. Jerec is a cool villian, and he should be in the EU more.
3. No live-happily-ever-after ending. For as many characters as there are who do that, there's always far more who die.
4. Clean cut. No room for any EU that takes place after the game to mess up his character. He gets to run around, blow **** up, and dies a cool death at the hands of a cool villian.
5. Avoids stupid endings, like where he escapes, redeems himself, and screws stuff up for the Empire, or kills Palpatine and then Vader and takes over.
I read somewhere that she's meant to be something like that. I'll try and find it.
I find the idea of there being a moral compass anywhere in this game to be preposterous.
But not ALL Imperial officers are THAT power hungry, some just want to be just and do their job (like Han when he was a recruit and help out Chewbacca when he was being beaten)
That's still no excuse. Her being a moral compass is too predictable.
Right. When stories, movies and games would be done according to the way your suggest, they would be documentaries :)
If every Imperial Agent would be an a**, there would be no Han Solo, traitors or any other things. If all Rebels were heroes, no Bothans had to die for the plans and no sarcrifices had to be made.
According to the movies, Luke was about to join the Imperial Academy. And I don't think Luke is an a**hole :xp:
Maybe Juno was forced to do this? Maybe she hates the Empire?
Maybe the secret apprentice was forced to do this as well? A comon feeling between the two?
Anyways, Juno could still be a moral compass like Kreai was. She was dark sided as hell, but still....
Well, joining the empire dones not equal evil. For starters there are some that thinks the empire is still better off than the corrupted so-called old republic. And yet many more are just honest folks getting a job.
The worst thing that can happen to the plot is juno being a rebel spy or something like that. I mean, that is down right cliche.
Personally I think what we need is more evil Alliance a-holes. I mean, there are way too many whitewash on the alliance side, esp during the Imperial era.
Personally I think what we need is more evil Alliance a-holes. I mean, there are way too many whitewash on the alliance side, esp during the Imperial era.
I'm pretty sure that if there's anything that the Rebels require to be on their members' resume, it's signs of whitewashiness. It's just how they do stuff.
Alliance a-holes would be nice though....
It's a nice thought to kick around, but It's just not in their character. After all, they are the good guys.
Well, we KNOW that some of the members working for the alliance are not the typical goody two shoes. They are just not featured in stories. We know how many bothans are quite two-heanded, and that the smugglers and what not deals with all sorts of shady stuff on both sides and so and so. We also know that while quite reluctant the alliance would enlist problemetic people to work with them, as lone as their effectiveness outweights their nastiness in things, seeing that they are low on supplies of everykind and troops and what not.
Its just we don't see them alliance a-holes type featured in the stories. But hy we get to see the nice imperial guys, why not the bad alliances.
How about Juno, or the Apprentice, fall, big time, only they can't handle it and go mad or kill themselves? It might sound a bit much, but c'mon, Vader killed kids, given the dark nature Star Wars is taking it might be a possibility.
I doubt Lucasarts will do anything like that. It's too original.
Possible plot twists:
Juno Eclipse gets turned off by the Apprentice and chases TK-151 instead.
The Apprentice gets fired (oh wait, wrong universe, scratch that)
The Apprentice gets noticed by Palpatine who uses him against Vader (Gotcha, sucka!)
The Apprentice falls to the dark side because an athlete got injured, and the injury ruined the Apprentice's fantasy season.
The Apprentice gets killed when the Rogue Shadow is destroyed by the Millenium Falcon.
Juno gets credit for everything in the game, and the Eclipse-class Star Destroyers are named in her honor as a result.
God I hope its a good twist like Kotor and not a crappy Twist. Please god let Force Unleashed not change my outlook on Starwars as crappy game company
Juno gets credit for everything in the game, and the Eclipse-class Star Destroyers are named in her honor as a result.
It is interesting that she shares their name; I wonder if it'll actually mean anything in the game. I'm guessing probably not, though.
Juno is the mother/sister of the Apprentice! (I know it's silly, but still...)
LordSerion wrote:
Juno is the mother/sister of the Apprentice! (I know it's silly, but still...)
...you are aware she's there to be the love interest, right? Incest in space ain't cool...although Luke and Leia almost...bah :xp:
It is interesting that she shares their name; I wonder if it'll actually mean anything in the game. I'm guessing probably not, though.
She CAN be involved in tech projects later on in the Meow perhaps.
Juno is the mother/sister of the Apprentice! (I know it's silly, but still...)
She would be too young to be the mom, even for a young mom. Would be funnier is she is the dad though ... :)
...you are aware she's there to be the love interest, right? Incest in space ain't cool...although Luke and Leia almost...bah :xp:
So its ok if they are NOT in space? Long long ago, in a trailerpark far far away...
Plus, yes, it would be ewwww of Luke/Leia goes beyond kissing... that may actually be the "secret: that drives Jacen to the darkside... Oh Shiii.
Well, being LucasArts it will never be anything too drastic/adventurous so we will not be seeing Mass Effect type scene with Juno, let alone Rockstar Games type actions. A good guess would be Vader training Sirron to be the "first of new Jedi" so one day Sirron can destroy the Sith, namely Palpy. Remember, Vader is into the whole Sith thing for the revival of Padme only at the time, so it would not be unreasonable if he would decide to revive the jedi order after he got what he needs.
so it would not be unreasonable if he would decide to revive the jedi order after he got what he needs.
What?
What Poiuy means is that Vader never really was evil, just corrupted an isolated. It would be an interesting twist to the Star Wars story if it turned out that Vader was a 'good guy' all along, and was just biding his time for the right opportunity(ies) to destroy the Emperor, namely the Apprentice and Luke.
Not sure if this has been said already but people are crowing about Aayla Secura being in the game. There's a video where the developers are discussing the game and she is clearly seen fighting someone in one scene. Might that be one of the big twists that'll be revealed? If so how are they going to explain away the film?
She did get attacked by the clones on felucia, which is in the game, so maybe she somehow survived? (although you see a lot of blaster bolts go in to her back)
Nope Secura is pretty dead. Pretty sure the clones would have searched her body inch by inch also... at least I would.
What Poiuy means is that Vader never really was evil, just corrupted an isolated.
I don't think I explained myself properly. Let me try that again.
What the freaking hell?
Well, Secura's death was kind of covered up by a plant, wasn't it? Maybe they'll use that somehow - I don't really see how, though....
Big question is how would she be in the game, given Revenge of the Sith?
Probably because of the dozens of fanboys crying in anguish as the clones empty their guns into her back. They'll probably bring her back ala Quinlan Vos (or whatever his name is).
In the Republic commando trilogy of books a jedi gets pregnant with one of the clone troopers. In return for Kal Skirkata's helping her keep her pregnancy a secret, she agrees to guarantee that this high force powered child will be raised in mandalorian traditions. My prediction for the big secret is that the apprentice is this child raised as a warrior, then awakened to his force potential by Vader and kept secret by him from the empire for use as his own personal weapon against the jedi, and perhaps one day, his master Palpatine.
In the Republic commando trilogy of books a jedi gets pregnant with one of the clone troopers. In return for Kal Skirkata's helping her keep her pregnancy a secret, she agrees to guarantee that this high force powered child will be raised in mandalorian traditions. My prediction for the big secret is that the apprentice is this child raised as a warrior, then awakened to his force potential by Vader and kept secret by him from the empire for use as his own personal weapon against the jedi, and perhaps one day, his master Palpatine.
This, I can see.
In the Republic commando trilogy of books a jedi gets pregnant with one of the clone troopers. In return for Kal Skirkata's helping her keep her pregnancy a secret, she agrees to guarantee that this high force powered child will be raised in mandalorian traditions. My prediction for the big secret is that the apprentice is this child raised as a warrior, then awakened to his force potential by Vader and kept secret by him from the empire for use as his own personal weapon against the jedi, and perhaps one day, his master Palpatine.
Huzzah for Karen Travesty being taken as an inspirational source by other authors.
Though the child would be younger than the Apprentice usually?
From what I remember this child is the product of Jedi mom and a clone trooper she "again" falls in love with, reason being her dead ex-lover is a clone trooper. The event seems to happen towards the end of the clone war, which would make this child AT BEST a couple years older than Luke.
I don't think I explained myself properly. Let me try that again.
What the freaking hell?
Yes. What I mean is that early Vader is not really into the whole Sith boohoo. He just want the skillz and technique to get hit chix0r back by any means necessary.
The best case scenerio would be Vader knowing that he is beyond salvation, so he would give the spark of lightside to someone else instead, while he would be happy if he can ever someday chill with his Padme zombie.
So basically after his plan to take down Palpy he may actually try to rebuild his own verson of the (corrupted) Jedi Order. Obviously this is all speculation. Since really Vader is too darn damaged to do anything after he nailed Palpy.
But it would be a thought if, say, Luke would join Vader early on and ganked Palpy and such. I guess it is not impossable that Vader would do things similar to Krayt by setting up a Jedi-isque system. Sure it would still be dark-side tinted at best, but its possable. I mean, the Sith Tinted Dark Jedi Jenessary training was running a corrupted mixture of jedi order with sith teachings early on. Granted, that is the case of a dark jedi trying to mask his sithy guidance to his followers.
Well the clones had their DNA changed so that they aged at a faster rate than normal for a human, and Etain was force growing the child in her womb at a faster than normally human rate too. It's possible that for one of these reasons that the child grew up physically faster and would still be emotionally stunted like it says he is.
Yes. What I mean is that early Vader is not really into the whole Sith boohoo. He just want the skillz and technique to get hit chix0r back by any means necessary.
As seen in dialogue right before Vader starts choking Padme in Episode 3, he was already wanting to kill Sidious and take over (not that that would be possible).
while he would be happy if he can ever someday chill with his Padme zombie.
I'm not sure what you meant to imply by that, but I don't want to think about it.
(Caution: SPOILERZ for the Episode 3 game follow! Ahoy!)
I've heard some people say that Vader in Episode 3 could've killed Palpatine and taken over. They think that BS alternate ending in the Episode 3 game could've actually worked.
The way it goes is that after Palpatine arrives on Mustafar, Vader finds him as he disembarks from his shuttle (it is important to note that Palpatine is as usual escorted by a bunch of clone troopers). Palpatine gives Vader a red lightsaber. Seconds after taking it, Vader turns it on by throwing it in the air and then catching it over the course of about ten or twenty seconds while Palpatine just stands there. He then stabs him in the gut. The clones just kind of stand there, but surprisingly they actually acknowledge what just happened. Vader then turns around and yells "THE GALAXY BELONGS TO ME[, BITCHES]!"
Of course, the cutscene ends mere seconds before the clones all gun him down.
^^^ Because they really could. 0.0
The theory with the clone/Jedi kid seems a bit far-fetched though. An obscure reference to some EU plot that suddenly changes the way everyone looks at Star Wars? Since when was LA known for subtlety? And how would an EU revelation change the way we look at the Star Wars films?
Well... things like that COULD happen... 501st used to be a subtle fan stuff either, and now it is THE stormie.
But it is said that some characters and EU stuff is forced upon the EU writers to be used in future "Big" starwars projects, like Shaak Ti's survival. So some subtle EU stuff might also be one of those things, where the "original" EU writers would downplay since it is not what he would have envisioned it in the first place. We will never now...
Many Writers Tried to Write About Yoda's Origin As We Know It, And None Of Them Survive As GL Would Make Them Disappear Via The Enforces Of The Black Sun...
Just found a 'strange' concept arts picture...
http://www.forceunleashed.net/images/conceptart/conceptart036.jpg)
Of course it's just concept art...but what are a familiar looking hooded old Jedi on Tatooine and a little boy doing amongst the Tusken Raiders? And we see another Jedi 'saving them' or even sacrificing itself for them.
Is it too far-fetched to say...Luke and Obi-Wan rescue? Redemption by saving Vader's son?
Well, that might be the SA, but there is the slim chance of the saber wielder being a pre-sithlord.
Well, the guy's face seems tattooed.
Are you sure that's not a beard? The guy with the lightsaber reminds me of Ki-Adi-Mundi somehow...
The guy with the lightsaber could be the apprentice, because in most of the concept art shots we've seen he doesn't look the same, he's just a generic Jedi it seems.
First post
I didn't read all of this thread so if I steal someone's idea I'm sorry in advance
I think the apprentice is Obi-Wan's kid
Ben trains Vader's kid and vice versa.
This is from Wookieepedia.
In the Hasbro Vader's Secret Apprentice Evoluions pack, it stated the following: "A son of a fallen Jedi is abducted by Vader to be his Secret Apprentice. As a young adult, the apprentice must choose his destiny: Join Lord Vader and wipe out the remaining Jedi, or become a noble Jedi and bring hope to the galaxy."
I can prove that since I have the evolutions pack.
Awesome! Etain's son it is.