Sex is a powerful tool, it can create life, take away life and can change peoples lives forever...
The view of sex has changed A LOT over the years, people feel more free to express themselves sexually.
...I came here late didn't I... hmmmmmm
im late too, even though i saw this thread a week ago, i think....
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
And if you don't like your religion being critisized, you can cry as well.
i wont cry, ill fight back.....
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
Christianity is a RELIGION.
no, to the world its a religion, but to a christian its really a relationship with Jesus Christ.
my view on the topic
sex is fine if your married, and its with your wife, like it has been said many times....but i think if u get into all that really sick stuff, its not ok anymore....(wont go into that)..... u have to be really careful because, if u even just look at a woman and want to have sex with her, u have already done it in your mind, so its a sin. which means if ur married u have committed adultury. sex is something God gave to humans, to express there love for one another, meaning between a man and his wife, not 2 men or 2 women. people have screwed it up with pornagraphy, and tv.
to a christian its not about converting people, its about saving people. i think we do get the word out, but not as good as we would like, you know somewhere in the world right now, someone is dying because they believe in christ.... i hope to be on of them one day! the bible says ur supposed to preach everywhere, to tell the word all over the world...... the school is in the world, so school is another missionary feild.
about ur athiest ruling thing, its sort of happend, other countries are sending missionaries over here, to america to preach the word of God! thats not good at all, that means we as christians are falling behind, we shouldnt be! but we are.
look as a christian my job is to save people, if u dont want to be saved u dont have to be.
-luke
Sex in the Bible is for not only reproduction, but also pleasure between a man and WIFE. Notice, I said WIFE not SOME WOMAN.
That about sums it up.
p.s.- If it was ONLY for reproduction, I doubt a pleasure action would be there
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
No it is meant for pleasure also BUT as the Bible says, ONLY WITH THE PERSON YOU ARE MARRIED TO. Thats the only time I believe and the Bible says you can have sex, whether for reproduction or for pleasure.
What about Abram/ Abraham and Sarai and Hagar? Father Abraham had sex with more than his wife. The founder of the Jewish line had sex with more than one woman. This disproves that.
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
Sex with your wife is fine. Doing it constantly may not be healthy phisically but I suppose it's fine.
other than with your wife it's wrong. And I suppose that is were God draws the line. Based on my knowledge of the BIBLE that is what I think.
I love this from a guy who has the phrase: pimping on the streets as his location. Telling people they are wrong is not right dude. Say you disagree or whatever. Also tests have proven that people who have sex more often than not live longer healthier lives. You, my friend, are way off on this one.
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
just asume for a moment that if God did exist, do you still think he should have no say. That's like playing the game the sims but having no say in what thier house looks like or what possessions they can and canot use.
Heard of free will? Ever read the chapter where angles come and visit and the guy offers his two female daughters to the rioting group of men who want to have sex with the male angels? Did God have no say in that?
Originally posted by Lime-Light
Um...you just said sex for pleasure bad, and then that Catholics who wait have more and better sex. Thats sex for pleasure. I dont really like insulting people, but someone has to let you in on it. You're an idiot.
And as far as sex for purposes other than procreation being wrong, its stupid. Sex isnt a sin because sins are irrelevant.
How dare you pick on Jedi Monk. Calling him an idiot because you do not approve in his beliefs. And for that comment about sex isn't a sin because sins are irrelevant makes you a total idiot. I guess that means, according to your views, that nothing is a sin because they are all irrelevant whatever THEY are because they don't exist. If sins are so irrelevant than why religion? If you are a Christian than you must not believe in sins because he could not have died for anything relevant. Karma --> you get your just deserved by in a way sinning.
Originally posted by Reborn Outcast
Ah here we go,
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
Romans 13:13
Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.
1 Corinthians 6 17-19
But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Ephesians 5 3-4
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
Oh and there's a lot more where that came from.
I guess that all depends on your version.
In my Bible MAtthew 15:19 says: Wicked thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, perjury, slander.
Romans 13:13: Let us behave with decency as befits the day: no drunken orgies, no debauchery or vice, no quarrels or jealousies!
Ephesians 5:3: Forniction and indecency of any kind, or ruthless greed, must not be so much as mentioned among you, as befits the people of God.
I will let you guys be the judge of this one.
Originally posted by Luc Solar
Personally, I think anything that get's you aroused is sex. If you get off by licking a salmon, then that is sex for you.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahah
Luc Solar then hits the nail on the head by pointing out the fact of: What is sexual immorality?
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
it is hard to draw the line, but that's why we have a concience.
A hand job is definetly sin. but it's not sex.
if you can't have fun any other way than sex, you obviously have no life. But I know what you mean. no you don't miss out on all the fun, just get married.
AGAIN the fact that you stated a handjob is a sin is your opinion only. I dare you to point out where in the Bible it says," Thou shall not stroke the salami," OR "cradle to oyster." It also seems to make a lot of sense of stating that it is a sin but not sex. REAAAAALLLLY (in Ace Ventura voice) then how can you get SEXUAL DISEASES from giving and recieving handjobs? Riddle me this riddle me that.
Originally posted by ShadowTemplar
I may at times fail to respect people whose bodies are in the 21st century, but whose philosophical background belongs in the pre-Dark Age nonsense of the bible. You may wish to remember that Christainity has done nothing of value to the world, whereas atheism has... So you owe atheism a BIG favor, but I don't owe Christianity anything.
Really? Then explain to me what was the first book ever made on a printing press? A given set of morals and ethics to billions of people for years on end is nothing? Ever like your Christmas presents? What has atheism brought to the world? I know Christianity also broght the Crusades (what a joke of holy wars), death to billions for their beliefs, and the tyranny of keeping the working man down.
I do not mean to be rude or offensive to atheism at all but I can honestly not think of anything that atheism has broguht besides taking prayer out of the school and people not wanting to pledge to the flag of the US.
Originally posted by ShadowTemplar
OK, let's solve this "faith/fact controversy": Let someone use "the Christian way" to create something useful such as a nuclear power plant that doesn't blow itself up... If you can do that without science, then I will accept "the Christian way" to be the basis for school classes. Until you have done that, I hold Christianity to be useless, crappy, murderous BS. And unlike you, I'll have something called proof...
I can see where you are coming from. The Christian view to this would be that God made the people who discovered nuclear power. He also enlightened them to that technology. He also created nuclear power. Etc Etc Etc. God encompasses all things and therefore we are forever indebted to God.
Originally posted by Mandolorian54
well shock, you act as if the christians are out of place and it's the athiests country and they get to make all the rules. This country was founded by bible believing christians, which is why it's a free country. evry other country at the time was like comunist, or muslim.
HAHAHAHA. Mulsim or Communist. I actually believe that it was the Presbetyrean (sp) people who FIRST came over because they did not like to follow the Church of England. Not too sure about that one. Communist. Communism actually really started in America mostly. AND communism rarely exists. It is mostly Socialism that prevails over Communism. I do believe also that this country is no longer Christian. I believe less than half of all people according to the last census marked Christianity.
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
no, to the world its a religion, but to a christian its really a relationship with Jesus Christ.
sex is fine if your married, and its with your wife, like it has been said many times....but i think if u get into all that really sick stuff, its not ok anymore....(wont go into that)..... u have to be really careful because, if u even just look at a woman and want to have sex with her, u have already done it in your mind, so its a sin. which means if ur married u have committed adultury. sex is something God gave to humans, to express there love for one another, meaning between a man and his wife, not 2 men or 2 women. people have screwed it up with pornagraphy, and tv.
The first part is unneccessay in my opinion. How does that help the topic? Christianity is a religion. That is why everyone screams for religious freedoms. I, as a Christian, follow the religion of Christianity.
Again how do you know what is sick. Golden shower is sick to some people and not to others. Some women only give head on anniversaries and birthdays because they find it sick and no longer feel they have to do it because they are married.
The whole you did her in your mind you sinned thing is crazy. As a fully functional, past puberty, man who has not experienced sex I find that totally rediculous. I cannot go ANYWHERE without thinking about doing women. Grocery store: I did every female cashier at least once even if they were 350 punds of fat. I look at a woman at my gym in spandex using the stairmaster with huggge juggs and I have to go in the corner. Impossible to do.
My thoughts: No where in the Bible does it state that you cannot have sex before you are married. NO WHERE. Sex to one person is not sex to another. Sex is not something to be taken lightly. Sex is not only for reproduction or it wouldn't feel so good. That is what makes it a special bonding tool with people. People who were and are high ups in the Christianity religion have had sexual lapses. King David had sex with another man's wife then had the man sent to the front lines to die which he did. The sin was that David had sex with her during her menstration period which increases the chance of getting pregnant and then got pregnant. To him it was not a problem until she was pregnant because he knew full well she was married and her husband was away.
One of the rules for sex is no adultery. So if the two of you are not married there is nothing that says it isn't okay. This only entails to man and woman sex. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible.
Wow I am tired. This has got to be one of the longest replies to any thread I have ever seen.
I look forward to any good criticism.
BigTeddyPaul
Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul
And for that comment about sex isn't a sin because sins are irrelevant makes you a total idiot. I guess that means, according to your views, that nothing is a sin because they are all irrelevant whatever THEY are because they don't exist. If sins are so irrelevant than why religion?
Sins are completely irrelevant. Sins exist in your head alone, as nothing has proved the positive existence of sins.
Why religion? Good question.
God encompasses all things and therefore we are forever indebted to God.
Prove that statement, if you want it to have any kind of relevance in this debate.
Otherwise, I'll skim quickly past any arguments based on this, just as I'll completely ignore someone who uses "souls" as an argument in abortion debates. It's irrelevant. Unless you can prove it.
Communism actually really started in America mostly.
Ever heard of a guy called Karl Marx?
He is German.
I do believe also that this country is no longer Christian.
Just because the majority of a population is religious, does not mean the country in itself is religious. There went your freedom of religion, BTW. To all the Muslim, Jewish etc people on this board, I'd advise you not to call USA a "Christian Nation".
I believe less than half of all people according to the last census marked Christianity.
By "Christian", do you mean Christians, or Protestants?
My thoughts: No where in the Bible does it state that you cannot have sex before you are married. NO WHERE.
Thank you.
Just as it doesn't say anywhere in the Koran that women have to put clothes on their hair.
Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible.
So much for "Christian tolerance".
Paul, Lime-Light was calling Jedi Monk an idiot for so blatantly contradicting himself.
If Jedi monk is going to condemn people for their actions, he should at least be consistent about it. Otherwise, it does make him look like an idiot. (I wouldnt have been so harsh about it, but still...)
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
i wont cry, ill fight back.....
No you will not.
You will argue back. You will prove how Christianity is best for all.
Fight back and earn my wrath.
no, to the world its a religion, but to a christian its really a relationship with Jesus Christ.
It's a religion. It doesn't matter what you choose to call it. The English language is right when it comes to defining the English language. Not you.
Comprendes?
u have to be really careful because, if u even just look at a woman and want to have sex with her, u have already done it in your mind, so its a sin.
So sex is a sin, in and of itself?
It doesn't say that in the Bible.
sex is something God gave to humans, to express there love for one another, meaning between a man and his wife, not 2 men or 2 women. people have screwed it up with pornagraphy, and tv.
I feel sorry for you.
to a christian its not about converting people, its about saving people.
Sure, go ahead and call it that.
i think we do get the word out, but not as good as we would like, you know somewhere in the world right now, someone is dying because they believe in christ.... i hope to be on of them one day!
So you'd gladly die for your religion? Can I kill you a zealot?
9/11 anyone?
the school is in the world, so school is another missionary feild.
You do not preach religion in school, among gullible, naive kids. They're kids for Chrissakes.
look as a christian my job is to save people, if u dont want to be saved u dont have to be.
So if I say no, that means you'll leave me alone?
I pray it does.
You do not preach religion in school, among gullible, naive kids. They're kids for Chrissakes.
This actually raises an interesting point. We know kids are gullible and naive, and can easily be made to believe anything if they're taught it at a young age (heck, look at racists and radical KKK members...).
Wouldnt it make more sense for people to try to teach christianity to their children when they're older (not in schools, parents or others shoudl teach it)? I mean, it would be far more wholesome a relationship with god if you went to him of your own free will and volition, with a full understanding, rather than being brainwashed into it since birth (and yes, if you are being taught a belief from birth with no other viewpoint, you are being brainwashed).
Originally posted by ShockV1.89
I mean, it would be far more wholesome a relationship with god if you went to him of your own free will and volition, with a full understanding, rather than being brainwashed into it since birth (and yes, if you are being taught a belief from birth with no other viewpoint, you are being brainwashed).
My sentiments exactly.
It would, however, see a decrease in Christians around the world, which is why they're taking no chances I guess.
To get back to the original topic, Sex for pleasure within the confines of Holy Matrimony is not prohibited by the bible, and in fact, almost an entire Book of the bible is devoted to the love between a man and his wife, emotionally, spiritually, and physically.
Read the Song of Solomen, or Song of Songs in the Old Testament. Most of the book is written as a song/poem from King Solomen to his wife and her response to him. There are several sexual references in there. ;)
However, I will leave with that thought, because I refuse to place myself within the debate of Christianity vs Atheism, Authority of the Bible etc. You gentlemen seem to have intelligence enough to debate any situation, belief, theory, or idea as it pertains to religion or the lack thereof, but some of you seem to lack the personal restraint to do so without insulting one another. It's a shame really, because you all seem very bright, informed and quite opinionated. A group of people like yourselves could accomplish a great deal, if you could just debate on more civilized manner.
I wish you luck with your ongoing debates...
Originally posted by ShockV1.89
Paul, Lime-Light was calling Jedi Monk an idiot for so blatantly contradicting himself.
If Jedi monk is going to condemn people for their actions, he should at least be consistent about it. Otherwise, it does make him look like an idiot. (I wouldnt have been so harsh about it, but still...)
Ah. It ws 3:30 and I didn't click in my mind like that. Thanks.
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Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul
And for that comment about sex isn't a sin because sins are irrelevant makes you a total idiot. I guess that means, according to your views, that nothing is a sin because they are all irrelevant whatever THEY are because they don't exist. If sins are so irrelevant than why religion?
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Sins are completely irrelevant. Sins exist in your head alone, as nothing has proved the positive existence of sins.
Why religion? Good question.
Since this thread is religious based (Bible) I used that as a source.
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God encompasses all things and therefore we are forever indebted to God.
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Prove that statement, if you want it to have any kind of relevance in this debate.
Otherwise, I'll skim quickly past any arguments based on this, just as I'll completely ignore someone who uses "souls" as an argument in abortion debates. It's irrelevant. Unless you can prove it.
Look at the whole statement. If you read it all you woud see that I said quote:
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Originally posted by ShadowTemplar
OK, let's solve this "faith/fact controversy": Let someone use "the Christian way" to create something useful such as a nuclear power plant that doesn't blow itself up... If you can do that without science, then I will accept "the Christian way" to be the basis for school classes. Until you have done that, I hold Christianity to be useless, crappy, murderous BS. And unlike you, I'll have something called proof...
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I can see where you are coming from. The Christian view to this would be that God made the people who discovered nuclear power. He also enlightened them to that technology. He also created nuclear power. Etc Etc Etc. God encompasses all things and therefore we are forever indebted to God.
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Communism actually really started in America mostly.
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Ever heard of a guy called Karl Marx?
He is German.
There were some earlier forms of Communism based societies in the early Americas conquest.
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I do believe also that this country is no longer Christian.
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Just because the majority of a population is religious, does not mean the country in itself is religious.
Touche.
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I believe less than half of all people according to the last census marked Christianity.
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By "Christian", do you mean Christians, or Protestants?
I mean Christian.
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My thoughts: No where in the Bible does it state that you cannot have sex before you are married. NO WHERE.
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Thank you.
Just as it doesn't say anywhere in the Koran that women have to put clothes on their hair.
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Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible.
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So much for "Christian tolerance".
There are things in the Bible that Christians do not tolerate. Blasphemy is another. That is a fact. Homosexuality is a sin. There is no tolerance in religion for that because the person is living a lie over and over and over again with no intent on repenting. So you are right there is no tolerance for that. I am just stating a fact. As a human being I do not hold it against someone if they are gay but as a religious person I do.
BigTeddyPaul