THE "STATE" OF IDAHO: THE CASE FOR OPEN DEBATE
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If you would ask any schoolchild how many states there are in the
United States, you will get the same answer: 50. Fifty states
in the Union. It is simply an accepted "fact." If you would
disagree with this supposed "fact," you would be branded insane
or worse.

However, mounting evidence shows that there are in fact only 49
states in the US, and the "state" of Idaho is a baseless myth.

We have been trying to distribute and publish this information
for over *two years*, but our scholarship has not been given
any respect. We have been censored, vilified, ridiculed and
spat upon by the "traditional" geographers and historians, but
WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED!

All we ask is that the existence of the state of Idaho be debated,
as every other historical and geographic "fact" can be debated.
Time after time, our opponents have refused to debate us on the
FACTS. This alone should tell you something about the people who
support the "existence" of this "43rd state."

Please read the following evidence VERY CAREFULLY, and you will
be astonished at the veracity of our cause.

THE POPULATION MYTH

Do you know anybody from Idaho? Do you know anybody *who knows
anybody* from Idaho? According to the 1990 "census," there are
over one million (1,000,000, or 1 x 10^6) people living in
Idaho. But if there are so many Idahoers, where are they?

Some people have come forward and claimed that they were born
and raised in "Idaho." But *every single person* who made this
claim have been shown to be frauds and charlatans. These "Idahoan
wannabes" are invariably inconsistent with each other about the
size (in square miles or square kilometers) of "Idaho," about
various town and village names, and even about the names
of "Idaho's mighty rivers."

THE SIZE FARCE

According to traditional geographic sources (created entirely
by people who believe in the existence of Idaho, and probably
the Tooth Fairy, also) the "State" of Idaho is more than twice
the size of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,
Connecticut and Massachusetts *combined.* Isn't it strange
that a state with such vast land resources has so few people?
And even of you look at a map (created by the Idaho-centric
cartographers) the "State" of "Idaho" is dwarfed by its much
larger neighbor, Montana.

SATELLITE EVIDENCE

Recently declassified weather satellite information, showing
the entire continental United States, shows absolutely *no
evidence* that there is any state where "Idaho" is supposedly
located. Noted experts in the field of interpreting these
pictures unanimously agree that, from outer space, it is
impossible to determine the borders of this elusive "state."
Yet meteorologists and cartographers routinely overlay
these satellite pictures with the outline of states that
would seem to indicate Idaho's existence.

PHOTOGRAPHIC "EVIDENCE"

Many people, skeptical of the clear evidence that Idaho
does not and never did exist, point to photographs that
they've seen in encyclopedias and postcards seeming to show
parts of the state of Idaho.

It is important to note that a photograph without a caption
is often meaningless. A picture of people in boats surrounded
by mountains could have been taken in Colorado or Nevada,
but when the holy *caption* says that this is a picture of
the "Salmon River" in "Idaho," gullible readers tend to
swallow this information whole *without any further
examination.*

We have examined literally hundreds of these "photographs,"
and the ones that are not outright fakes are all clearly
taken in other parts of the nation.

ASK THE JAPANESE

It is well known that Americans are woefully ignorant about
geography, which is one reason why it is so easy to fake an
entire state here. Not surprisingly, most of the effort to
create the illusion of Idaho has been expended in the USA.

But if you would ask a typical Japanese or French schoolchild
about what he/she knows about Idaho, you will usually get a
blank stare. People who are much better at geography than
Americans have never heard of this "great state."

THE POTATO MYTH

Any given supermarket in the United States has sacks of potatoes
clearly marked "Idaho Potatoes." People make the assumption,
that when they are buying these potatoes, that they were *grown*
in the "state" of "Idaho."

Actually, "Idaho" is a type of potato, just like "McIntosh" is
a type of apple. The FACT is that *many* states have potato
crops, as well as foreign countries, and potatoes that say
"Idaho" on them are no more from Idaho than Baltimore Orioles
all come from Maryland.

SO, WHAT'S THERE?

Nothing. THERE IS NOTHING THERE. We have been so brainwashed
by the traditional mapmaking community to think that if Idaho
doesn't exist, then there must be some sort of vacuum there
instead. This is nonsense.

The very shapes and positions of the states, and indeed of
every nation on the planet, is only known through "information"
provided by cartographers. It is akin to asking "if Santa's
house isn't at the North Pole, then what's there instead?"

THE CARTOGRAPHER CONSPIRACY

The *only evidence* that there is a state called Idaho comes from
maps. Everybody has maps, in almanacs, in encyclopedias, and
on the walls of every elementary school classroom in America.

Astonishingly, *over 99%* of all maps are created by *cartographers!*
If any clearly defined set of people would control any other
important industry to that degree, everybody would be up in arms
about the undue influence given to a meager few. However, for
some reason, Cartographers are immune to such criticism. Any
mention about the Cartographer influence over the mapmaking
industry (and, as a natural extension, OUR VERY THOUGHTS!) is
dismissed as "lunacy."

As an indication of how insidious is this influence, just think:
have you ever questioned a map? Maps, being graphical objects,
require much less effort to assimilate into our very psyches.
Behavioral studies show that people can much more readily understand
maps than printed descriptions of geographical areas; in fact,
the images on maps tend to go directly into the subconsciousness
of Man (Homo Sapiens) without the critical thinking that accompanies
reading. In a very real way, Cartographers are the *real* Thought
Police.

But they do not work in a vacuum. There are much too few of them
to do their real damage unaided. Mapmakers have conspired with the
editors of almanacs and encyclopedias to create a fantastic illusion
of space where there is none, people where there aren't any, and
ski resorts where none exist.

ONLY THE BEGINNING

This is only the tip of the iceberg. We have much more material
on this conspiracy, and we have yet to uncover one iota of evidence
that Idaho has ever existed. All of the so-called "evidence" is
a mixture of falsifications, coersions, lies and exaggerations.

The Cartographers would like nothing better than to silence us.
If you do not see any more postings on this subject, then you
have clear evidence that their Conspiracy of Silence on Idaho
has succeeded, and that Freedom of Speech has been curtailed by
the Cartographical Thought Police.

What can you do? All we ask is that you be open minded. Of course,
you cannot trust any of the second-hand evidence that you would
find in libraries, maps (!), airline schedules or street signs.
All you can trust is what we have written here. We are confident
that once you evaluate all of the valid evidence, you will be
angered by this conspiracy, and motivated to do something about
the scum who perpetated this hoax.

I've been to a big plot of land in the US everyone calls "Idaho." I can't believe they were all lying to me, putting up street signs and whatnot, telling me I was a in a state that does not exist.

Why would anyone do such a thing?

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"Preach the Gospel. If necessary, use words."
-St. Francis of Assisi

from the field research department:
license plate census:

...43% surveyed said to have "just found it somewhere"; 34% surveyed thought it was a novelty item; 19% surveyed claimed to have recieved it from a sibling; 19% surveyed were confirmed only childs; 3% surveyed refused to comment; 1% said we didn't scare them with this gestapo crap, and were promptly bugged.

furthermore, witnesses claim the proceeding have/had no reflection. (http://www.50states.com/bio/idaho.htm)
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i don't see how we can be offending any "idahoans"; ok, i do, but i don't care. look, if they go on a murderous rampage, people won't be apalled by the prospect of six armed madmen stalking the countryside.
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i doubt they could even get to rob a burger king. how unfortunate.

[This message has been edited by lightbulba (edited March 01, 2000).]

LOL!!! I hear more about Idaho than I hear Clinton and Lewinsky jokes! My dad LOVES that place. He wants to take me there on a father-son trip this summer (gasp), and if we go I may be able to bring back some top-secret footage of what IS the state of Idaho. My dad has way too many stories to tell about that place and that is proof in my mind that it exists. Take for instance Billy Wilkerson. He bullied my dad throughout his childhood in Idaho. One day, right in the middle of school, Billy came over to my dad and said "Hey, my dad is giving out two free acres. Are you interested?" My moronic father said yes, and within a tenth of a second his niples were twisted beyond recognition! He's ok now, I think http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif) I still here about that story, along with the orange peel story. I won't bore you with that one http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

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And there he is. The reigning champion of the Boonta Classic, and the crowd favorite-TheAhnFahn

Kurgan--

Some years ago, I flew to Seattle, then drove from Seattle to a place called Coeur d'Alene, which I was told was in a land called "Idaho." I have very distinct memories of that trip--so distinct, in fact, that I am beginning to suspect that they are actually FALSE memories planted in my brain when I was abducted by aliens. After all, most of my memories are very fuzzy and faded (what did I have for breakfast this morning? I don't know if it was oatmeal, corn flakes, or scrambled eggs--but I vaguely remember pouring ketchup on it), whereas my memories of this alleged "Idaho" place are quite clear and distinct.

This "Idaho" conspiracy would make a great X-Files episode--

If it wasn't so true!

--wiz

P.S. Tell us the orange peel story, Uncle AhnFahn!

The movie "Dark City" comes to mind...

Kurgan

boise on a cloudy day, interesting...
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[This message has been edited by lightbulba (edited March 03, 2000).]

Wiz:
Despite Billy being an incredible bully, my dad was still sometimes friends with him. When the two of them were playing by themselves Billy had nothing to show or prove to anyone. My dad's most famous story was when he went to Billy's house and the two of them were eating oranges. When they were through, for some odd reason the both of them said "Hey, let's go out in the back yard and throw these orange peels over the fence!" That in and of itself made me laugh so hard! Kids really didn't have that much to do back then, and to have him tell me they were doing that for amusement gave me a good laugh. He said they were both running towards the fence, which I am assuming was to provide a maximum initial velocity for the peels, and my dad hit a stump or root in the ground and fell forward. He put his hands out in front of him, which caught the fence, and he bowed his back very bad. He said he was just lying in a heap, crying and undergoing shock-induced spasms, while Billy was just standing there laughing at him as hard as he could. He really was a mean person. What makes it funny now is that my dad blames all his back problems on those orange peels, even though we know he is just getting old :O)

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And there he is. The reigning champion of the Boonta Classic, and the crowd favorite-TheAhnFahn

Ah!

Personally, I prefer to blame my back problems on banana peels.

But if I lived in the mythical state of Idaho, I supposed I'd blame my back problems on potato peels.

--wiz ( :-<]

come to think of it, the "mythical potato peels" would be a pretty good band name.
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[This message has been edited by lightbulba (edited March 08, 2000).]

Come to think of it, "The Spud Stud" is a great name for a super hero.

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And there he is. The reigning champion of the Boonta Classic, and the crowd favorite-TheAhnFahn

Don't expect a call from Stan Lee to discuss the idea anytime soon.

;o)

--wiz

this explains why ive never been there.

I'm not so sure there's a Kansas, either...