I agree Chainz. As I said(elsewhere), I'm a Star Wars Fan, and a Bioware Fan. So by fanboy law, I'm required to purchase this game. So long as it's not Lego Old Republic, I'll be all right(and far less conflicted). (oh and thanks for hiding the image. I was going to come back and fix it, but you did it for me haha)
The brighter and more realistic the graphics get, the more expensive your local hardware gets. Not to mention, that not everyone wants to buy a whole new gaming rig for the game.
It's got enough glow about it to let you know what it is.
The only problem I've ever had with the lightsabers were when they were flashlight hilts in the very first screenshots that started popping up, most of that personal distaste came from spending hours in max trying to make mine look pretty, Cz knows what I mean :xp: As they are now, I have no issues. Besides, I'll be playing Smuggler.
:-D :-D people... light around the saber is not light, it's just the colored edge of the white stick ... It bothers me ... :-/
Oh I definitely get where you're coming from. :) Considering every other Star Wars game has fed us nice blurry edges, the ToR sabers can come as quite a shock.. however, unlike others (not saying you) I'm not going to damn the game just because of a graphics snafoo.
Now, if they totally muck up gameplay and I don't find it enjoyable enough play-wise and story-wise (and the impending charge that's sure to come with it).. then yeah, I'll be right there with the others damning the game to all get out.. :lol:
I agree Chainz. As I said(elsewhere), I'm a Star Wars Fan, and a Bioware Fan. So by fanboy law, I'm required to purchase this game. So long as it's not Lego Old Republic, I'll be all right(and far less conflicted). (oh and thanks for hiding the image. I was going to come back and fix it, but you did it for me haha)
The brighter and more realistic the graphics get, the more expensive your local hardware gets. Not to mention, that not everyone wants to buy a whole new gaming rig for the game.
It's got enough glow about it to let you know what it is.
Indeed. Right there with you in the fanboy boat hehehe. I'm really looking forward to the game. I've even slowed my DDO gaming (another MMO) to the point where I'm about to "retire". If ToR turns out to be as good as it looks (and my anticipation) I'll probably have to say goodbye to DDO (at least it's free2play.. whew) ;)
My only inhibition is that if it's released when the rumors say it is.. it's going to be stepping on my Skyrim toes :fist: (and then ME3 later in March '12)... going to be a lot of great gaming come late this year and next year :D
well, I just thought that if I create this topic, someone will do such a simple thing as edit damn saber to look better... if you are blind and you think that this is a good.. ok ... its a ten-minute work for graphic designers.. the game should attract a player's money omfg
Oh I definitely get where you're coming from. :) Considering every other Star Wars game has fed us nice blurry edges,
yes, other... in EVERY game and in EVERY movie... only in BIG TOR must be sabers EXTRA SUCKS(because its a "little" different)!
well, I just thought that if I create this topic, someone will do such a simple thing as edit damn saber to look better... if you are blind and you think that this is a good.. ok ... its a ten-minute work for graphic designers.. the game should attract a player's money omfg
It's not about the time it takes to design it.. it's the impact on game engine and framerates on what that "fancy" blur does.
Ever run a high poly or enhanced graphic mod on K1 / K2 / SWG of your choice? Ever have more than 6+ of those sabers on screen at the same time? Enjoy that 10 fps? Didn't think so... and that's only for a single player game that has to keep track of a minute amount of variables confined in a nice enclosed world area.
Now multiply that by the hundreds to account for all the people on an mmo/multiplayer. All the instances that are open. Everything that is going on in the game world for each and every player that is logged on. Live in real-time ;)
Now, let's multiply that by all the other visual effects. Blasters, shields, powers, environment fx and sound design. Hoping the game server can render those graphics while still maintaining the calculations of what players are doing (or are going to do). See where I'm going with this? ToR is a stylized art game (a major benefit as far as game engine rendering).. it doesn't surprise me that the sabers would be too.
Sure it doesn't affect some players as bad with high end gear (myself included).. but if your positioning this game to appeal to as many players as possible and not just the hardcore base.. lines have to be drawn and compromises made. Later on, if the game goes well and more money is invested.. more server equipment will be added, and the precious blur may be added. But to invest that amount of cash on something for an initial release that could go either direction consider it's massive competition.. is just financial suicide. Especially for a non essential piece of eye-candy. I'd rather not be doomed to a life of nothing but Lego releases if ToR fails.. hehehe
Also to re-iterate.. anyone willing to damn a game just because of a glow stick has no real intention of enjoying this game anyways if they're that petty.. or hasn't paid attention to all the other great stuff this game has showcased. Seems to me they've already made up their mind.. or just looking for another excuse to piss and moan about a game that decided to go mmo rather than sp. :xp:
Actually Chainz, The graphical representations are all handled client side. So it COULD be possible to have super hi rez sabers. Though in large scale battles, you would be looking at a slide show. I mean 30 Jedi running with 50 sabers(gotta account for many using dual sabers) against 30 Sith with 60 sabers(they all gotta have dual wield right hehe) and that little fuzzy edge won't be so fun. Even with a high end rig you'd still be hurting. Maybe instead of .1 frame per second you end up with 3 frames per second.
I guarantee if you have the option to turn off fuzzysaber for performance, you'd reach for that faster than a dog for a treat.
Too many posts, tired, tl;dr.
My opinion, I liked kotor's hilt to blade ratio (Did I just coin a new term?). Though TOR's hilt to blade ratio has admittedly improved since the early goings, I have to say I think the hilts...some of them...are still a little too big for the blade provided. I think the blades are somthing between okay to good size wise. Didn't mind JO (and I guess JA by extension) because although their blades appeared bigger than their hilt, their blades still didn't have that baseball bat appearance and retained their saber blade look even if a bit more conic/torch like now.
The violet in TOR seems a tad plain and could be mistaken for a deep blue, but at least it doesn't look nearly pink either. That doctored image is what I'd call the perfect balance--worthy of "Jules Windu". :)
As for the the dazzling effect in the movies: while I agree TOR might be able to do better, the pics I have seen of it in action are decent. Could be worse as there could be absolutely no blurring at all. Like Electro Luminescent stunt toy lightsabers, or glowsticks, out in moderately lit up settings: swing them or move them and you only see the stick and little to no "blur" effect.
TL;DR: the current TOR sabers are better than their initial release, but I'd still prefer the profile of KOTOR b/c it had the best overall "hilt to blade ratio" IMHO.
The blur? hey, long as it doesn't look like glowsticks or EL in a tube in a moderately well lit room where there is no blur at all, it seems fine to me.
Yesterday I showed my brother the latest TOR videos (he is a professional designer) ... He looked at the sabers and he said: "wtf is this? It is disgusting! Its like hes holding a billiard stick(hes not fan of star wars, only saw movies) ... I dont know what you think about them, guys, the greatest tor fans, but ordinary people say- disgust.
but yes, now I understand the reasons of creators, but it doesnt change the fact that it is repulsive...
Wow, i think you're WAAY overreacting...they aren't "repulsive", i mean come on! a hairless wookie disembowling your girlfriend is repulsive. lightsabers with not enough motion blur is merely less than ideal. and y'all making the point about gaming rigs is very true. As much as i really REALLY want to play this game, i wouldn't go out and buy a rig just to support the fuzzy sabers (en theorem). i would much prefer your "glowsticks" and keeping my $2500 to your "slideshow" and lacking that $2500. but maybe that's just me. :)
Do you think they would have like a class-quest where you get to build / design your own lightsaber? Because that would be awesome.
Seeing as each Jedi's would be unique.
They talked about that years ago, but I have not seen any evidence of it being implemented. In fact, it's looks more like the hilts are one size fits all in some cases like they were in Kotor, their original game.
The blades have been vastly improved as you see in the post by adamqd. Thank you for that Bioware.
I can't imagine how many hilt designs they would have to add to the game to truly make them customizable. In Star Wars Galaxies, they gave you a choice of 14 unique styles, and others you would have to find as a rare loot schematic.
What I think they should do is make it something of a slot-machine type mini-game where the emitter, the hilt, and grip can be made interchangeable, so people can have their unique hilts.
I understand why BioWare is limiting the lightsaber colors. George Lucas is paying them personal visits. Any project that he works on The films, Clone Wars, or even LucasArts will adhere to his theory. Jedi are Blue and Green, Sith are red. BioWare must have slipped the purple for Sith Inquisitors in as a hey, Samuel L. Jackson did it.
Hopefully, you'll be able to use the color crystals you get from dead Jedi or Sith if you desire to pick up their weapon as in one of the in-game videos.
^^^No, yellow was in one video. Sith Warrior if I am not mistaken.
Also I have seen a sort of teal/cyan (a blue-green) in hilt illustrations, though it is entirely possible they aren't using that anymore, even though it was the first "blue" we ever saw in ANH. If Bioware used it previously then I suppose I could see Uncle George letting it slide but scoffing and scowling all the while.
While I understand they are going to limit colors for gameplay sake, so long as there isn't any absolute alignment-to-color restrictions, that would be okay with me. If I could be a sith with a green simply because I felt like it, I should be able to do that.
^^^No, yellow was in one video. Sith Warrior if I am not mistaken.
Also I have seen a sort of teal/cyan (a blue-green) in hilt illustrations, though it is entirely possible they aren't using that anymore, even though it was the first "blue" we ever saw in ANH. If Bioware used it previously then I suppose I could see Uncle George letting it slide but scoffing and scowling all the while.
While I understand they are going to limit colors for gameplay sake, so long as there isn't any absolute alignment-to-color restrictions, that would be okay with me. If I could be a sith with a green simply because I felt like it, I should be able to do that.
I saw in an old video, a Sith killing a Jedi and taking his lightsaber as a new toy, so I think you will be obliged.
I understand why BioWare is limiting the lightsaber colors. George Lucas is paying them personal visits. Any project that he works on The films, Clone Wars, or even LucasArts will adhere to his theory. Jedi are Blue and Green, Sith are red. BioWare must have slipped the purple for Sith Inquisitors in as a hey, Samuel L. Jackson did it.
Hopefully, you'll be able to use the color crystals you get from dead Jedi or Sith if you desire to pick up their weapon as in one of the in-game videos.
Jedi Guardians have Blue Lightsabers, with the exception of The Exile who carried Cyan.
Jedi Consulars have Green Lightsabers.
Jedi Sentinels have [supposedly] Yellow Lightsabers.
Mace Windu was given a rare violet crystal as a reward or something I can't remember it's on his Wookiepedia page.
Jedi Guardians have Blue Lightsabers, with the exception of The Exile who carried Cyan.
Jedi Consulars have Green Lightsabers.
Jedi Sentinels have [supposedly] Yellow Lightsabers.
Mace Windu was given a rare violet crystal as a reward or something I can't remember it's on his Wookiepedia page.
Yes, BioWare came up with that for Kotor, but they have the Sentinels in TOR using blue by default, since they are an archetype of the Knight class, however with the ability to wield two. The Sentinel will have some options.
As for Mace Windu, that is the in-universe story, yes.
The truth, though, is that Samuel L. Jackson was talking with George during the filming of the Arena Battle from Episode II about what their colors will be in the final film. George said flat-out "good guys are blue and green, bad guys are red." As if, don't challenge me, then Jackson, said, "Can mine be purple [violet]. George puts his hand to his beard and say rather reluctantly, "We can do purple!" And, that was it! To this day, no other Jedi filmed by George Lucas has ever received purple, again.
Hence, my surprise when BioWare gave the color to the Sith Inquisitor, a class that resembles Darth Sidious. (Sidious, mind you had a red lightsaber in the film) So, yeah, I was a bit surprised by that. Notice that none of the cinematics done my ILM have the sith using purple. I'm wondering how they got it in there.
Also, in case you're wondering where my sources lie. Episode II DVD Disc 2, and Lucasfilm, Ltd. FAQs about employment. Does GL visit the campuses? Yes is the paraphrase, but some more often than others.
Do Lucasfilm employees ever see or work with George Lucas?
George is an active participant in all of his businesses and is on one of the campuses every day; he works as hard as we expect you to. Depending on what company you work for, you may see him more or less than other employees.
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Yes, and yeah, KotOR came up with Sentinels.
Yes, and yeah, KotOR came up with Sentinels.
Right!
Left!
That was a bad pun, but okay. :)
Jedi Guardians have Blue Lightsabers, In KOTOR 1 yes, but even the jedi masters claim basically this is not definitively-the-way-it-must-be.
Jaric Kaedan (
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaric_Kaedan) being a master of Juyo is obviously a "knight" type for TOR who would have been typified as a "guardian" role in the KOTOR games. He wields green.
with the exception of The Exile who carried Cyan.
Acording to whom or what...? Although my preferred play style is Guardian >> Jedi Weaponmaster or Sith Marauder, I do not believe any such details were fleshed out beyond simply gender and alignment. That may change in the upcoming novel, Revan, but until then such a claim cannot be accepted at face value.
Jedi Consulars have Green Lightsabers.
See above re: KOTOR1 reply to jedi guardians=blue.
Jedi Sentinels have [supposedly] Yellow Lightsabers.
Ditto the above. Though sentinel was a class made up by bioware, its role has not been solidly one thing: in the KOTOR games it served as a sort of balanced intermediate between guardian and consular, though I'm sure you'd agree it was lacking in the powers department and was a little too similar to the guardian. In SWTOR it appears to be taking the place of the WeaponsMaster.
Mace Windu was given a rare violet crystal as a reward or something I can't remember it's on his Wookiepedia page.
This was part of a quid pro quo as a deal for taking the role. As I understood from SW insider, rolling stone, and an interview, George came to Jackson (for obvious reasons). Jackson, also being a SW fan knew in the timeline that by the time the original trilogy took place, whatever Jedi he played was going to have died. So he wanted a unique saber blade color and wanted to go out in a glorious blaze of fire.
I'm not sure if Nick Gillard asked a similar thing for doing lightsaber stunts for 30 years in lucas' employ. Can't verify it though rumors are running he asked for yellow.
The truth, though, is that Samuel L. Jackson was talking with George during the filming of the Arena Battle from Episode II about what their colors will be in the final film. George said flat-out "good guys are blue and green, bad guys are red." As if, don't challenge me, then Jackson, said, "Can mine be purple [violet]. George puts his hand to his beard and say rather reluctantly, "We can do purple!" And, that was it! To this day, no other Jedi filmed by George Lucas has ever received purple, again. I suppose that is another perspective to the same story.
I can picture (from personal experience witnessing backstage drama between producers and talent) George tried putting his foot down at first, and Samuel let George say his piece, before Sam came back countering with his own negotiation.
Hence, my surprise when BioWare gave the color to the Sith Inquisitor, a class that resembles Darth Sidious. (Sidious, mind you had a red lightsaber in the film) So, yeah, I was a bit surprised by that. Notice that none of the cinematics done my ILM have the sith using purple. I'm wondering how they got it in there.
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The Revan video has it for the inquisitor in that one. But yeah, and one vid I think a dev said it was a combination of sidious and maul. Like the warrior is supposed to be based off vader, etc. Some images of Jedi are also shown using violet--they are out there.
BTW I'm not surprised and anyone should be able to use any color they like. *waits for Exar Kun's blade color to be retconned to red just to spite me*
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Bah, I won't hold my breath. My view of George is sort of love-hate.
Acording to whom or what...? Although my preferred play style is Guardian >> Jedi Weaponmaster or Sith Marauder, I do not believe any such details were fleshed out beyond simply gender and alignment. That may change in the upcoming novel, Revan, but until then such a claim cannot be accepted at face value.
Canonically, the Exile had brown hair, brown eyes (iirc) a cyan lightsaber and was light-side aligned. Also she was a girl.
Also, when Jedi construct their lightsaber each one is unique to them due to the parts that they find themselves upon, so sometimes someone may end up with a different colour.
Either way, George Lucas admits to allowing EU-canon into his canon. He always searches around and allows it into Star Wars (Aayla Secura, General Grievous etc.) and you gotta remember that this IS 3,500 years BBY. Things that happen now might not be the same in 3,470 years time. Times change, like when they stopped using Force-imbued weapons and started using lightsabers instead.
In KOTOR 1 yes, but even the jedi masters claim basically this is not definitively-the-way-it-must-be.
Jaric Kaedan (
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaric_Kaedan) being a master of Juyo is obviously a "knight" type for TOR who would have been typified as a "guardian" role in the KOTOR games. He wields green.
Acording to whom or what...? Although my preferred play style is Guardian >> Jedi Weaponmaster or Sith Marauder, I do not believe any such details were fleshed out beyond simply gender and alignment. That may change in the upcoming novel, Revan, but until then such a claim cannot be accepted at face value.
See above re: KOTOR1 reply to jedi guardians=blue.
Ditto the above. Though sentinel was a class made up by bioware, its role has not been solidly one thing: in the KOTOR games it served as a sort of balanced intermediate between guardian and consular, though I'm sure you'd agree it was lacking in the powers department and was a little too similar to the guardian. In SWTOR it appears to be taking the place of the WeaponsMaster.
This was part of a quid pro quo as a deal for taking the role. As I understood from SW insider, rolling stone, and an interview, George came to Jackson (for obvious reasons). Jackson, also being a SW fan knew in the timeline that by the time the original trilogy took place, whatever Jedi he played was going to have died. So he wanted a unique saber blade color and wanted to go out in a glorious blaze of fire.
I'm not sure if Nick Gillard asked a similar thing for doing lightsaber stunts for 30 years in lucas' employ. Can't verify it though rumors are running he asked for yellow.
I suppose that is another perspective to the same story.
I can picture (from personal experience witnessing backstage drama between producers and talent) George tried putting his foot down at first, and Samuel let George say his piece, before Sam came back countering with his own negotiation.
2RvzAegESow
The Revan video has it for the inquisitor in that one. But yeah, and one vid I think a dev said it was a combination of sidious and maul. Like the warrior is supposed to be based off vader, etc. Some images of Jedi are also shown using violet--they are out there.
BTW I'm not surprised and anyone should be able to use any color they like. *waits for Exar Kun's blade color to be retconned to red just to spite me*
Bah, I won't hold my breath. My view of George is sort of love-hate.
You know George does read these forums, I'd be careful how you cross him. :)
Canonically, the Exile had brown hair, brown eyes (iirc) a cyan lightsaber and was light-side aligned. Also she was a girl.
Also, when Jedi construct their lightsaber each one is unique to them due to the parts that they find themselves upon, so sometimes someone may end up with a different colour.
Either way, George Lucas admits to allowing EU-canon into his canon. He always searches around and allows it into Star Wars (Aayla Secura, General Grievous etc.) and you gotta remember that this IS 3,500 years BBY. Things that happen now might not be the same in 3,470 years time. Times change, like when they stopped using Force-imbued weapons and started using lightsabers instead.
Usually, it's a wink and a nod, and then on they go. Dave Filoni, the director of the Clone Wars is often the one bringing EU-canon to George, and because of his position often succeeds at getting it into the show. Some of the episodes from The Clone Wars were from the Clone Wars novel series that took place during the filming of Episode III, many of which I read. So, I immediately recognized them when they were filmed. So, really, you should be thanking his director Dave Filoni.
Either way it should be good :P
I'm hoping it will be, yes!
@ DarthJacen: I think Uncle George has much better things to do with his time than hunt down someone who is neither his worst critic nor his most valued critic, who posts on a game forum [this one] not officially a part of LucasArts or LucasFilms.
Though I must admit I am flattered you'd think he'd give me the time of day. :)
Canonically, the Exile had brown hair, brown eyes (iirc) a cyan lightsaber
Again, according to whom? Maybe provide a link to who said this. Get me that link to who said it and I might believe you depending who said it. Until then:
and was light-side aligned. Also she was a girl.
These are the only definitive things about the exile thus far. Until the Revan Novel.
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Either way, George Lucas admits to allowing EU-canon into his canon. Then he cannot complain about something (like the inclusion of yellow blades) he allowed and expect it to fly very far. As it is he already comes across as somewhat pat and more into profits, if only slightly so. At least he made a wise decision in letting EA do what it does best.
He always searches around and allows it into Star Wars (Aayla Secura, General Grievous etc.) Yes. I call it skimming the public trough for ideas. Great for getting out of a creativity bind when you get writers' block. :D
and you gotta remember that this IS 3,500 years BBY. I think anyone here is already fully aware of that and the other details. ;)
You're quite annoying, do you know that?
www.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exile)
You're quite annoying, do you know that?
www.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exile)
No, he's right, you need to show your sources when you make claims. That's, just, standard.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061023001811/starwars/images/5/5e/Exilefemale2.jpg)
You're quite annoying, do you know that?
Am I, now? Okay then how's this?
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/images/smilies/large/smiley_smug.gif)
08hHUn2_Uh4
No, he's right, you need to show your sources when you make claims. That's, just, standard.
Thank you. Though I do enjoy being annoying. :dev11: Wanna find out HOW annoying? :dev9: :lol: /reply
Now...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061023001811/starwars/images/5/5e/Exilefemale2.jpg)
<sigh> I thought that's what was being referenced. Master Finch, do not take this personally: Unfortunately that doesn't count as an official canon source, at least any more than if I were the editor of that article and to have put a pic of my female exile jedi weapons master wielding 2 silver blades in there. :) I would like official clarification. The only thing we have clarified so far is of her gender and alignment. Female, light side.
If anyone is interested, I have found some perhaps updated material but unfortunately cannot find the origin of the cinematic used within Torment Gamings TOR guild promo. P85dvtNacBg
As you can see, the hooded Dark Jedi in possession of an HK series droid is on what at least 'appears' to be tattooine (given climate and building architecture) and pause at about 0:22, you'll see the ebon hawk is initially captured onscreen.
This might be evidence that the Droid is HK-47. If so, then one could reasonably speculate that the Dark Jedi is Revan, but there is nothing official confirming this. For all we know it could just have been prematurely thrown together simply to generate interest in the game. (The comic threat of peace shows a different version of Satele Shan, for example, than what we saw in the Hope cinematic trailer).
I'll divert for a moment: There is no confirmation as yet (that I know of) who this Dark Jedi actually is (except that he and the droid are seen on the initial cover art for the confirmation announcement of SWTOR), but the HK droid looks identical to HK-47.
I am not going to say this was the same HK-47 but the coincidences are hard to ignore. Then of course in a trailer released late last year:
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As we all know HK-47 was taught the term "meatbag" by Revan himself. This IS the HK-47 you're looking for. At the end of TSL the Exile had possession of HK-47. Now 300 years later the droid is found in a complex Revan built holding his secrets. So the droid came back into Revan's possession at some point and this proves it.
So back to the the first trailer, the Dark Jedi is walking towards someone or something. Waves a "hold" command to the droid. Next scene we see him locking blades with someone else wielding a blue lightsaber.
This is a bit speculative, I must admit. I'm not sure I like it either, personally. :D
Long story short: Suppose if the Dark Jedi were to be Revan, then the only other thing we would have to go off of as to who he is fighting, evidence wise, is the Vision of Revan in Ludo Kressh's tomb, which the Exile had to fight. If that vision in the tomb was a representation of the future to come, or at least was a present representation at that time of their power if they were to fight, does that not imply something? Maybe that this other person is the Exile perhaps?
So this SWTOR teaser cinematic may (OR may NOT) be evidence that the Exile in fact wielded a blue lighsaber--that we know of at that particular point in time. Afterall, the color of Revan's orignal lightsaber (or sabers) is still debatable, too. ;)
So before that, the Exile could have wielded a single cyan saber, or two silver sabers, maybe an orange blade with a short violet blade. Perhaps a double bladed red. However she had to have a single blade of an othodox color by this point by this point because that's the commandment of Uncle George allmighty who was involved with this project.
So.....Anything is possible.
We will have confirmation late this fall, though, when the novel "Revan" by Drew Karpyshyn (
http://www.starwarsmmo.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sdcc_revan_img.jpg)is) released and these details are fleshed out.
Am I, now? Okay then how's this?
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/images/smilies/large/smiley_smug.gif)
08hHUn2_Uh4
Thank you. Though I do enjoy being annoying. :dev11: Wanna find out HOW annoying? :dev9: :lol: /reply
Now...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061023001811/starwars/images/5/5e/Exilefemale2.jpg)
<sigh> I thought that's what was being referenced. Master Finch, do not take this personally: Unfortunately that doesn't count as an official canon source, at least any more than if I were the editor of that article and to have put a pic of my female exile jedi weapons master wielding 2 silver blades in there. :) I would like official clarification. The only thing we have clarified so far is of her gender and alignment. Female, light side.
If anyone is interested, I have found some perhaps updated material but unfortunately cannot find the origin of the cinematic used within Torment Gamings TOR guild promo. P85dvtNacBg
As you can see, the hooded Dark Jedi in possession of an HK series droid is on what at least 'appears' to be tattooine (given climate and building architecture) and pause at about 0:22, you'll see the ebon hawk is initially captured onscreen.
This might be evidence that the Droid is HK-47. If so, then one could reasonably speculate that the Dark Jedi is Revan, but there is nothing official confirming this. For all we know it could just have been prematurely thrown together simply to generate interest in the game. (The comic threat of peace shows a different version of Satele Shan, for example, than what we saw in the Hope cinematic trailer).
I'll divert for a moment: There is no confirmation as yet (that I know of) who this Dark Jedi actually is (except that he and the droid are seen on the initial cover art for the confirmation announcement of SWTOR), but the HK droid looks identical to HK-47.
I am not going to say this was the same HK-47 but the coincidences are hard to ignore. Then of course in a trailer released late last year:
GzR4uwTcL8o
As we all know HK-47 was taught the term "meatbag" by Revan himself. This IS the HK-47 you're looking for. At the end of TSL the Exile had possession of HK-47. Now 300 years later the droid is found in a complex Revan built holding his secrets. So the droid came back into Revan's possession at some point and this proves it.
So back to the the first trailer, the Dark Jedi is walking towards someone or something. Waves a "hold" command to the droid. Next scene we see him locking blades with someone else wielding a blue lightsaber.
This is a bit speculative, I must admit. I'm not sure I like it either, personally. :D
Long story short: Suppose if the Dark Jedi were to be Revan, then the only other thing we would have to go off of as to who he is fighting, evidence wise, is the Vision of Revan in Ludo Kressh's tomb, which the Exile had to fight. If that vision in the tomb was a representation of the future to come, or at least was a present representation at that time of their power if they were to fight, does that not imply something? Maybe that this other person is the Exile perhaps?
So this SWTOR teaser cinematic may (OR may NOT) be evidence that the Exile in fact wielded a blue lighsaber--that we know of at that particular point in time. After all, the color of Revan's original lightsaber (or sabers) is still debatable, too. ;)
So before that, the Exile could have wielded a single cyan saber, or two silver sabers, maybe an orange blade with a short violet blade. Perhaps a double bladed red. However she had to have a single blade of an orthodox color by this point by this point because that's the commandment of Uncle George almighty who was involved with this project.
So.....Anything is possible.
We will have confirmation late this fall, though, when the novel "Revan" by Drew Karpyshyn (
http://www.starwarsmmo.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sdcc_revan_img.jpg)is) released and these details are fleshed out.
This was a joy to read! You are so right about George, too! I, sure, hope this topic continues. This is fun! By the way, the TOR timeline has Revan using both a Sith red and a Jedi blue lightsaber, at separate times and together in the Mandalorian, and Jedi Civil War cinematics.
You're quite annoying, do you know that?
www.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exile)
aaah crap! I wish you hadn't said that, you have no idea what you've started. :raise:
^^ This. I have *always* had an issue with the saber hilts and blades we have seen in TOR thusfar. It looks too.... cut and dry? The lightsabers in BioWare's KOTOR looked a kagillion times better than what's in TOR right now. And that game is what? 200 years old now? If it isn't broke, do not fix it.
I don't think the hilts are a problem. I mean, look at the ones in JKA!!! Those things are HUGE compared to TOR. Now, it's the BLADE I'm worried about. I mean, come on! Those don't even look like LIGHTSABERS!!! Now, if Bioware doesn't improve this, I will give up on them.(well, just the star wars games.)
I think it depends on how you look at it. From my perspective those lightsabers that we've all seen in the games, you both mentioned, are from different SW time periods. So I look at this way, the lightsaber design could have changed over the years from K1 to JKA; they could of evolved over time in each SW period. Technology always evolves in the real world, look at the automobile as an example.
Ah yes. Lady Jim-Jim, anybody? :dev11:
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King Lloyd-o-niedas... anybody?
JUO8Mw73isY
@ DarthJacen: Yes I am actually relatively familiar with the timelines.
http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/5/50/402px-Jedi_Revan.jpg)
As you saw on the novel cover, Revan wielded a green lightsaber. Drew K. has stated on his own website this novel covers the events that happened *after* KOTOR 1 and 2.
We have art of a typical representation:
http://swtorunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/darthrevan-219x300.jpg)
As we see here in the comics during the mandalorian wars, once Revan donned the mask, he raised his lightsaber, which at that point looked a sort of indigo color. Between violet and blue.
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/6d/RevanIsBorn-KotOR42.jpg)
In the timelines Revan is seen fighting Mandalore the Ultimate. We all know it was hand to hand, but the TOR timeline has an interesting portrayal:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/1/11/MtheUvsRevan.jpg)
I do know that in the timelines also, a redeemed Revan is portrayed in them as fighting malak with a blue saber (alongside Bastilla, not in the picture).
http://mmogamerchick.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/malak-and-revan.jpg)
Now while portrayals might not be 100% accurate, I wonder if they aren't hinting at something else. More on this in a sec.
Revan is the only one who could have picked up mantle of the force and heart of the guardian. Turquiose just off cyan, and a red orange, a slightest bit different than orange and bronze in TSL. I think these items given their rarity (and obviously *tremendous* value) would have been put into the vault of the Jedi order. That's just my opinion, but I really doubt we're going to find them in the loot of Revan's complex. However it is worth noting another comic book (Shadows and Light?) in a vision of one character it showed Malak dead at a masked Revan's foot. Behold:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/2/22/Shadows_and_Light.jpg)
As we saw in the vision of Revan in KOTOR2:TSL he wielded violet and red.
Art:
http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/f/f2/Darth_Revan.jpg)
Real, partial capture:
http://img.youtube.com/vi/hwsQPXFX3s8/0.jpg)
BTW In one of my photo albums here, I have a picture of a hand crafted silver lightsaber "prop" of my own IRL if you're interested to look.
Given that and the chosen appearance in the timelines, PMHC04 in the KOTOR game file, which is the long dark hair "jedi mullet" most closely resembling Anakin Skywalker, I'd say BioWare is going for a sort of Anakin Skywalker thing. (I chose the head because it most resembled me irl, long dark hair--that was in 2006!)
I have a theory on why they'd do that: Darth Malgus.
Hint: Descramble the name "Veradun", the birth name of Darth Malgus, and you get 3 possibilities.
1) nuVader: which to us in our timeline irl Malgus is sort of the new Vader for us.
2) unVader: maybe this is a hint of what to do if/when you confront Malgus. Don't kill him because there may be somebody under his Vader-ish exterior that even he isn't aware of (a subject of my current interest as we speak)
3) u d revan: You, Darth Revan?
Credit to Darth Hater and 'neantibi' for the following image:
http://darthhater.com/uploads/blog_images/6459/revan.jpg)
The image on the right is from timeline #6, BEFORE Revan is brought up in #7-9. This particular image is shown just after Gnost Dural recites the Sith retaking Korriban (in further details on the Return cinematic as you know).
This image may not be the fully accurate portrayal of the individual in question, but the timing of its showing might imply it was shortly after the retaking of Korriban. Or I could be way off. Is it unreasonable that maybe Malgus went down onto the surface of Korriban to relish the victory in person?
I don't want to derail the thread anymore though. I am currently working on a video right now actually. I'll invite criticism. Would anyone like me to start a thread on it and treat you LF'ers to it before I put it up on YouTube?
I suppose there's a little something I could show you all right here though, but I warn you, you might not like it.
I'm telling you, you really should think twice about it.
Don't do it.
I swear you're gonna be sorry.
Turn back, while you still can.
I mean it.
Don't continue unless you want to know an ugly truth.
I'm warning you.
This is your last chance, seriously.
Ok fine, you win. Here it is! :D (
http://www.dafk.net/what/)
Cool beans, eh?
Am I, now? Okay then how's this?
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/images/smilies/large/smiley_smug.gif)
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Thank you. Though I do enjoy being annoying. :dev11: Wanna find out HOW annoying? :dev9: :lol: /reply
Now...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061023001811/starwars/images/5/5e/Exilefemale2.jpg)
<sigh> I thought that's what was being referenced. Master Finch, do not take this personally: Unfortunately that doesn't count as an official canon source, at least any more than if I were the editor of that article and to have put a pic of my female exile jedi weapons master wielding 2 silver blades in there. :) I would like official clarification. The only thing we have clarified so far is of her gender and alignment. Female, light side.
If anyone is interested, I have found some perhaps updated material but unfortunately cannot find the origin of the cinematic used within Torment Gamings TOR guild promo. P85dvtNacBg
As you can see, the hooded Dark Jedi in possession of an HK series droid is on what at least 'appears' to be tattooine (given climate and building architecture) and pause at about 0:22, you'll see the ebon hawk is initially captured onscreen.
This might be evidence that the Droid is HK-47. If so, then one could reasonably speculate that the Dark Jedi is Revan, but there is nothing official confirming this. For all we know it could just have been prematurely thrown together simply to generate interest in the game. (The comic threat of peace shows a different version of Satele Shan, for example, than what we saw in the Hope cinematic trailer).
I'll divert for a moment: There is no confirmation as yet (that I know of) who this Dark Jedi actually is (except that he and the droid are seen on the initial cover art for the confirmation announcement of SWTOR), but the HK droid looks identical to HK-47.
I am not going to say this was the same HK-47 but the coincidences are hard to ignore. Then of course in a trailer released late last year:
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As we all know HK-47 was taught the term "meatbag" by Revan himself. This IS the HK-47 you're looking for. At the end of TSL the Exile had possession of HK-47. Now 300 years later the droid is found in a complex Revan built holding his secrets. So the droid came back into Revan's possession at some point and this proves it.
So back to the the first trailer, the Dark Jedi is walking towards someone or something. Waves a "hold" command to the droid. Next scene we see him locking blades with someone else wielding a blue lightsaber.
This is a bit speculative, I must admit. I'm not sure I like it either, personally. :D
Long story short: Suppose if the Dark Jedi were to be Revan, then the only other thing we would have to go off of as to who he is fighting, evidence wise, is the Vision of Revan in Ludo Kressh's tomb, which the Exile had to fight. If that vision in the tomb was a representation of the future to come, or at least was a present representation at that time of their power if they were to fight, does that not imply something? Maybe that this other person is the Exile perhaps?
So this SWTOR teaser cinematic may (OR may NOT) be evidence that the Exile in fact wielded a blue lighsaber--that we know of at that particular point in time. Afterall, the color of Revan's orignal lightsaber (or sabers) is still debatable, too. ;)
So before that, the Exile could have wielded a single cyan saber, or two silver sabers, maybe an orange blade with a short violet blade. Perhaps a double bladed red. However she had to have a single blade of an othodox color by this point by this point because that's the commandment of Uncle George allmighty who was involved with this project.
So.....Anything is possible.
We will have confirmation late this fall, though, when the novel "Revan" by Drew Karpyshyn (
http://www.starwarsmmo.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sdcc_revan_img.jpg)is) released and these details are fleshed out.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Complete_Star_Wars_Encyclopedia)
It's generally believed that she was brown hair, cyan lightsaber. Like it's generally believed Revan is male (comics, etc.)
So y'know.
#1 for effort though.
Ah yes. Lady Jim-Jim, anybody? :dev11:
6qRQynlwYLc
King Lloyd-o-niedas... anybody?
JUO8Mw73isY
@ DarthJacen: Yes I am actually relatively familiar with the timelines.
http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/5/50/402px-Jedi_Revan.jpg)
As you saw on the novel cover, Revan wielded a green lightsaber. Drew K. has stated on his own website this novel covers the events that happened *after* KOTOR 1 and 2.
We have art of a typical representation:
http://swtorunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/darthrevan-219x300.jpg)
As we see here in the comics during the mandalorian wars, once Revan donned the mask, he raised his lightsaber, which at that point looked a sort of indigo color. Between violet and blue.
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/6d/RevanIsBorn-KotOR42.jpg)
In the timelines Revan is seen fighting Mandalore the Ultimate. We all know it was hand to hand, but the TOR timeline has an interesting portrayal:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/1/11/MtheUvsRevan.jpg)
I do know that in the timelines also, a redeemed Revan is portrayed in them as fighting malak with a blue saber (alongside Bastilla, not in the picture).
http://mmogamerchick.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/malak-and-revan.jpg)
Now while portrayals might not be 100% accurate, I wonder if they aren't hinting at something else. More on this in a sec.
Revan is the only one who could have picked up mantle of the force and heart of the guardian. Turquiose just off cyan, and a red orange, a slightest bit different than orange and bronze in TSL. I think these items given their rarity (and obviously *tremendous* value) would have been put into the vault of the Jedi order. That's just my opinion, but I really doubt we're going to find them in the loot of Revan's complex. However it is worth noting another comic book (Shadows and Light?) in a vision of one character it showed Malak dead at a masked Revan's foot. Behold:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/2/22/Shadows_and_Light.jpg)
As we saw in the vision of Revan in KOTOR2:TSL he wielded violet and red.
Art:
http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/f/f2/Darth_Revan.jpg)
Real, partial capture:
http://img.youtube.com/vi/hwsQPXFX3s8/0.jpg)
BTW In one of my photo albums here, I have a picture of a hand crafted silver lightsaber "prop" of my own IRL if you're interested to look.
Given that and the chosen appearance in the timelines, PMHC04 in the KOTOR game file, which is the long dark hair "jedi mullet" most closely resembling Anakin Skywalker, I'd say BioWare is going for a sort of Anakin Skywalker thing. (I chose the head because it most resembled me irl, long dark hair--that was in 2006!)
I have a theory on why they'd do that: Darth Malgus.
Hint: Descramble the name "Veradun", the birth name of Darth Malgus, and you get 3 possibilities.
1) nuVader: which to us in our timeline irl Malgus is sort of the new Vader for us.
2) unVader: maybe this is a hint of what to do if/when you confront Malgus. Don't kill him because there may be somebody under his Vader-ish exterior that even he isn't aware of (a subject of my current interest as we speak)
3) u d revan: You, Darth Revan?
Credit to Darth Hater and 'neantibi' for the following image:
http://darthhater.com/uploads/blog_images/6459/revan.jpg)
The image on the right is from timeline #6, BEFORE Revan is brought up in #7-9. This particular image is shown just after Gnost Dural recites the Sith retaking Korriban (in further details on the Return cinematic as you know).
This image may not be the fully accurate portrayal of the individual in question, but the timing of its showing might imply it was shortly after the retaking of Korriban. Or I could be way off. Is it unreasonable that maybe Malgus went down onto the surface of Korriban to relish the victory in person?
I don't want to derail the thread anymore though. I am currently working on a video right now actually. I'll invite criticism. Would anyone like me to start a thread on it and treat you LF'ers to it before I put it up on YouTube?
I suppose there's a little something I could show you all right here though, but I warn you, you might not like it.
[Ok fine, you win. Here it is! :D (
http://www.dafk.net/what/)
Cool beans, eh?
They never did finish the timeline, though, I'm very disappointed. Anyway, I happen to think that Revan is long dead by the fall of Korriban, which was redepicted in the latest cinematic by Industrial Light and Magic. I have the wallpaper to prove it. I'm fairly certain that you are looking at Malgus' hood. Although, remember that the artist involved used a very similar art style throughout the timeline.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Complete_Star_Wars_Encyclopedia)
Better. :golfclap:
It's generally believedconfirmed that she had brown hair, cyan lightsaber. Fixed.
No need to shy away now. :)
↑ The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, By using File:Exilefemale2.jpg, a screenshot provided by a Wookieepedia user, the publishers of The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia have canonically established that the Jedi Exile's hair is brown
↑ The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, By using File:Exilefemale2.jpg, a screenshot provided by a Wookieepedia user, the publishers of The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia have canonically established that the Jedi Exile used a cyan lightsaber
The links in that page and the link it took you another post to come up with were all you had to say. Still, we will see if Uncle George Allmighty hath decreed differently as per his archaic orthodoxy (personally I kind of hope not).
Like it's generally believed Revan is male (comics, etc.)Whoa, whoa. Believed? Try confirmed. (
http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20110422) By Drew Karpyshyn himself.
So y'know #1 for effort though.
No no, I believe that prize (
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3100/cookiemonsterabusingcookiedoug1.png) goes to you. For putting your money where Red Foreman's foot is. Cheers mate! :D
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They never did finish the timeline, though, I'm very disappointed. What are you talking about, unfinished? It has 12 parts and has been transcribed into a physical form for those who pre-ordered SWTOR. :confused:
Anyway, I happen to think that Revan is long dead by the fall of Korriban,
The Developer Walkthrough of Taral V would beg to differ:
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Forward to 1:59.
"The darkness will consume all it touches. Stars will burn black, ashes raining on lifeless worlds. Everything ends. The prisoner holds the darkness at bay. Lost inside it for 300 years, his strength will fail, then he will become the darkenss."
Now it could just be me but isn't three-hundred years ago from this point when Revan left for the outer regions?
Also please explain what those sith were talking about with "reborn" in the Mysteries of Revan trailer I linked above. Seems to me they are leaving it ambiguous to somehow suggest Revan might still be alive. I am hoping for Revan to be nothing more than the cliche force ghost by this point as well but these two videos have shaken that.
You're welcome to try to shoot these down (that would certainly make me feel better). I'm not so certain anymore that Revan is long dead. While we're at it, how could a human emperor live for 1300+ years and still look about 25? (Ref: blood of the empire comic) Do you have any ideas? I certainly have one.
What I am getting at is that while Revan's original physical form is, in all likelihood, dead, this sith emperor has been using a certain power combined with a certain technique, pressing Revan (and for all we know the many other tortured servants of the empire) into service for lifetimes longer than is natural. I mean, do you really think what Sidious did to Bevel Lemelisk (
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bevel_Lemelisk) as punishment was a new idea of his time? The essence transfer power + clone/regenerate idea was very, very old by that time. Ancient.
which was redepicted in the latest cinematic by Industrial Light and Magic. I have the wallpaper to prove it. Be my guest. Both counts.
I'm fairly certain that you are looking at Malgus' hood. Although, remember that the artist involved used a very similar art style throughout the timeline.
Compare this to when Malgus' back is turned on the decieved cinematic.
While I agree this is supposed to be depicting malgus, look again, more carefully:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100223181837/starwars/images/thumb/e/ec/Sith_seize_Korriban.jpg/676px-Sith_seize_Korriban.jpg)
The hood is pulled back. Do you notice the red stripes on each side?
Look at the head closer and you'll see, what appears to be tatters on the left side are actually separate hair strands. The head is drawn and shaded in a manner grainy and fibrous like strands of hair. Just like their depictions of Revan in later videos. If it were a hood, the shading would be more flatly consistent like the cape. If you have friends in forensics, ask them to take a look at this. Image here (
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fall_of_Korriban).
Once you finally see what I am talking about: Why would they depict malgus like that if they weren't trying to suggest something?
I have to say, and I'm not being sarcastic, but those walls of text frighten me. I appear to have stumbled into hardcore fans..
..
I like it!
They never finished the timeline. There are still seven slots left to fill.
http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/timeline)
I'm going with the assumption that Revan is dead until proved otherwise.
It might be hair, but a side-by-side comparison with the Revan and this dark figure maybe similar, but I don't think they match. I do know a forensic artist, but he doesn't work for free. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyYbvVAtlWk&feature=related)
By the way, I, hope, that the Duel of the Fates theme is in the game! :)
@ Finch. Hey, I decided even if I can't play the MMO, I'm in it for the storyline. I want to see this darn thing through. I'm glad you've joined on board. :D
They never finished the timeline. There are still seven slots left to fill.
http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/timeline) Does it not seem as though these may be already completed and they are waiting to be released during the game? There's probably time for just one more. Or the spaces may continue to remain blank indefinitely. Who knows?
I'm going with the assumption that Revan is dead until proved otherwise.
Disappointing. I was hoping you'd try to negate the videos. :) Guess I got my hopes up too high.
It might be hair, but a side-by-side comparison with the Revan and this dark figure maybe similar, but I don't think they match. I do know a forensic artist, but he doesn't work for free. :)
You couldn't just casually ask him with a picture in hand "is this a hood or hair?"
That's fine but you are, perhaps intentionally, missing the point: they threw that inconsistency in there. It is no accident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyYbvVAtlWk&feature=related)
By the way, I, hope, that the Duel of the Fates theme is in the game! :)
I think it will be. Didn't they say they were using various tracks from the movies and the games? At least they seem to have used it so far.
Objection: Speculation, your honor! Stick to the facts and let others draw the conclusions.
My other objection is hearsay! You can't used he said, she said this, when you're making an argument.
Again, you keep drawing conclusions that may come back to haunt you when the game comes out.
*coughs and puts on his best HK Droid voice*
Logical speculation: Perhaps I should remind you that no Human can survive decaying of the flesh for 300 years, not even one so attuned in "the Force" as Lord Revan himself.
*coughs*
P.S. You know canonically he returned to the Light Side, and was named the Prodigal Knight. It's in all the comics and stuff and the game and stuffness.
We know this, and this is stated in the timeline, too.
Back to topic, anyways.
The lightsabers (which I have been staring at for a while) are too.. roddy. Like the toy lightsabers, they're just too sort of physical. The lightsabers in the film are animated against live action, but the whole SW:TOR is animated in a sort of cartoony way so I think the lightsabers are made to fit in with that. But still, I think they should make it like the originally were - lightsabers, not swords - instead, and have the colours back to normal. (Royal blue for blue, purple for violet etc.).
Logical speculation: Perhaps I should remind you that no Human can survive decaying of the flesh for 300 years, not even one so attuned in "the Force" as Lord Revan himself. There are ways. Remember that girl from the KotOR comics who survived for 4,000 years and eventually appeared in the Legacy comics? And in those Legacy comics, there's Darth Krayt who was well on his way to becoming 200 years old.
There are ways. Remember that girl from the KotOR comics who survived for 4,000 years and eventually appeared in the Legacy comics? And in those Legacy comics, there's Darth Krayt who was well on his way to becoming 200 years old.
With amazing manipulation of the Dark Side, maybe. Or.. cryogenic freezing. That seems pretty standard.
Just a friendly reminder, folks - if you're going to post, or even quote, multiple images, especially large images, PLEASE use the 'hidden' tags, otherwise it makes the thread both needlessly long and difficult to follow.
With amazing manipulation of the Dark Side, maybe. Or.. cryogenic freezing. That seems pretty standard. Yes, well, none of that can be ruled out in Revan's case, I think.
Yes, well, none of that can be ruled out in Revan's case, I think.
He r light side bruv.
He r light side bruv.
That wouldn't stop Revan from using techniques or artefacts he knew about from his time as Dark Lord of the Sith.
Just a friendly reminder, folks - if you're going to post, or even quote, multiple images, especially large images, PLEASE use the 'hidden' tags, otherwise it makes the thread both needlessly long and difficult to follow.
I lost track of what this thread was about on page 2 somewhere and gave up. lol