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[Debate] Starkiller alive?

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01-07-2010, 4:54 PM
Bah; ultimately, it doesn't matter anyway. He "lives" because Lucas Arts was lazy and felt more like making a game with [2] shiny graphics and implausibly large super rancor monsters that'd draw in cheap money [1] than put in effort and make a game with a logical plot.

I am skeptical about what they are going to do about Starkiller's "supposed" death ("Palpatine and Vader were able to shield themselves with the Force and believed Marek was dead." wookieepedia) but:

[1] We have no clue how the game is going to be (plot wise), why don't we just

wait for it to come out and have a rational explanation

before flaming about there being no effort put into it.


[2] Shiny Graphics? I assume that you mean good graphics (life-like, good nice landscape, etc)...So do you want good graphics in a game?? Or is my understanding correct, that you would rather have crappy graphics?
 Sepp Omek
01-07-2010, 7:47 PM
We don't know much at this point.Was it stated that this game was to take place after the events in TFU? If not it's possible it could take place during the first one.

Maybe the trailer is showing an event that took place during Starkiller's life that ended up setting the stage for whatever occurs in the second game.

He may not even be the main character.Maybe what happens next introduces us to a new character and they were only showing the part with starkiller to gain our interest.

Your guess is as good as mine.
01-07-2010, 10:59 PM
We don't know much at this point.Was it stated that this game was to take place after the events in TFU? If not it's possible it could take place during the first one.This is when paying attention comes into play. Watch the trailer and listen to every piece of dialogue you hear. That can give you clues.

For example you overlooked Juno's voice. She asked, "Will I ever see you again?" Guess when that was spoken? On the Death Star; right before he went to go confront the Sith to save the Rebellion.

So if you analyze that, you know that means Starkiller is remembering as a past event which means this is after his "death", which means it's after the events of the first game.

Also, Starkiller looks older in the trailer. That should have been another hint to anybody, not just you. ;)
 Sepp Omek
01-08-2010, 3:34 AM
Yeah i probably should have paid more attention.I just saw the trailer once and didn't look into it too much until today.I was playing the first one and got to thinking "Oh yeah there's a second one coming out.....but he's dead >.> "

Well I'm sure there's an interesting explanation behind it......whether is ends up being complete bs or not.
01-08-2010, 10:02 AM
Yeah i probably should have paid more attention.I just saw the trailer once and didn't look into it too much until today.I was playing the first one and got to thinking "Oh yeah there's a second one coming out.....but he's dead >.> "

Well I'm sure there's an interesting explanation behind it......whether is ends up being complete bs or not.

Yeah same here. I think the trailer is pretty interesting it gives a lot of clues like shem said. I dont think it end up being bs.
01-08-2010, 6:11 PM
I for one am really interested in see how they explain how Starkiller is still alive. I mean Vader did bring him back to life before maybe he could do the same again. I mean when I was playing TFU and *Spoilers* Vader Betrayed Starkiller and threw him out the window I thought he was really dead. *Spoilers end* So they could do the same thing again which would explain why we hear Vader in TFU2 teaser. But it'll be very interesting to see what happens. But I will say that this has increased my hype for anything Star Wars. This and The Old Republic But thats another topic.
01-17-2010, 8:45 PM
I don't know why you guys are so stuck on cloning and resurrection. Starkiller either died on the Death Star, or Proxy did. I know Marek is not one for fear. Here are two possibilities:

1. The Netherworld is a huge place, much larger than people can think. Its the heaven of Star Wars people, come on. So, if Marek really did die, then that would be the netherworld. Because, I bet that developers want to give people a look on what the Netherworld is. Pretty much, it is what you want it to be, like the Nexus in Star Trek Generations. Watch it sometime.
Picard "died" and got in the Nexus. In that movie, it was referenced you could go anywhere at anytime. Picard went with Kirk out of the Nexus. So basically, Picard called himself out of the Nexus, nobody called him back. So, it seems that the Netherworld is the Nexus of Star Wars. So, I think that trailer had a few references to that movie. Visually.

2. After Proxy was destroyed, Galen trained himself with Yoda. Yoda speaking to him gives it away. Also, that cave on Dagobah has some power, so If this was the case, then that cave changed surroundings to an arena, like in the trailer.

So yeah, thats my 2 cents :carms: Again, I highly doubt this game will use cloning. The whole concept has been done to death.
01-18-2010, 3:06 AM
Some Great Discussion & Debate here, yet he could've sensed through the force that the Emperor wanted him Dead by turning up at the death star an used Proxy or a Clone, but in order to find out about Kamino, he would've had to find out from Kota, which was never mentioned in the book or the game, the book series shows later on, that Palps stops using Kamino Clones an starts using another Facility, linking to the Separatists before that war was over an Order 66 came in.
The Force itself has been used to cover to make it look as if someone is dead, it happened when Luke Skywalker did it, an Ben Skywalkers connection to the Force was Restored in the Legacy Series, so that is still open for a plausability, knowing at what lengths Darth Vader wanted to Tear Down the Emperors Empire, an He Achieved that by being the Source of Creating the Rebellion, remember what Palps said to Darth in regards to that.
So still Apart from it being between Episodes 3 & 4, could this be showing The Ultimate Light Side Edition of The Force Unleashed, seeing it showed a Light Side Ending in the Book, plus also showed of it in the Game, as well as its alternate as Dark Side, That Darth could now be using Galen Marek, seeing what Darth saw Marek Achieve in front of His Eyes as a Light Sider, an being sent to other parts of the Galaxy to Help Bring Down Palps Empire, an according to the Dark Lord Rise of Vader book, showing it was Anakins/vaders Point of View after his fight with Kenobi, he seemed to have known something was up when Palps started speakin of the dark side an his practices, even though he did what he did with the Jedi Purge, it set the Future of the Jedi to Adapt to Changes it needed to do to Survive into the next Eras, just as the Sith again Adapted itself later on in the Legacy Series bringing itself to see how important it needed its own form of Jedi Council but a Sith Council, but every still wanting to be top head honcho.
01-18-2010, 1:06 PM
could you unbold that? I can barely read it. Plus, that does not really make sense
01-18-2010, 3:20 PM
The Bold, it destroys my eyes.
01-18-2010, 3:59 PM
back on topic. The whole idea of cloning Starkiller is absurd. If it was a clone, I will never play TFU 2, unless it gets good reviews :p
01-19-2010, 4:07 AM
I agree the cloning is getting out of hand, lets just hope they don't clone Galen Marek. He is too good a character to be cloned
 Dark Phoenix
01-21-2010, 8:32 PM
force users can mask their force powers to stay hidden from other force wielders...and well im not sure if they can mask the force energy of others...if so...then maybe vader did that to starkiller...and maybe when starkiller 'died' he was just in a vader masked starkiller's power (if that's possible) and took him somewhere to heal just like in TFU1 when vader stabbed him and threw him into space then kept him on that medical ship. that's just my opinion...we wont know until the game comes out which i am 2 immpatient to wait for
 Zerimar Nyliram
01-23-2010, 12:01 PM
I really hope he's not connected to Vader anymore. You can only have him be betrayed by him and then brought back later only to be revealed that it was a ruse so many times before it gets lame. I hope Galen is completely free of the Sith now, fighting against the Empire either on the side of the Rebels or as a loner.
07-16-2010, 11:39 AM
I don't see why this long, boring, tedious cap is going on. I want to settle this once and for all. Go to, the Star Wars Wiki. Search for TFU II. It specifically states that Vader took his dead body to Kamino, cloned him, and the clone gets "residual genetic memories" from his original self. He hijacks Vader's TIE fighter, and escapes to Cato Neimoidia, where Kota is executed in a gladitorial match like the Colusieum fight at the end of Episode II. That is why the "arena" in the trailer is shown, it is not The Netherworld!!!

There is no resurrection, there is no concealment of his death, nor is there playing as him in the Netherworld, or anything else! There is only the clone.

Thank you for reading the CORRECT story. Korr800 out.
07-16-2010, 11:09 PM
Korr800 is also a baka o.o

"Wookieepedia" is like anything else on the internet half the time you try to look for info, false or barely having detail, in certain cases they give a good amount but UNTIL the info on that place is made by the people who made the game, i won't read it.
07-17-2010, 11:13 AM
Yeah Wookieepedia and Wikipedia are to be taken with a pinch of salt.
 Titan's pk
07-17-2010, 2:25 PM
it goes like this...
Darth Vader i think again hides star killer from emperor and creates a clone who gets memories of Juno and kota and tries to find them again. but what the clone doesn't know is Darth Vader betrayed the real star killer so he has Darth Vader telling him what to do and kota telling him that Darth Vader will betray him as he doesn't know who to believe

as far as i know that is the story.

but it is certainly a clone
07-17-2010, 5:48 PM
Or they used there massive force powers to bring him back to life without cloning him
07-17-2010, 7:34 PM
The only times where a power like this was used. in the Legacy comics where Cade Skywalker uses "Force Resuscitation" to revive his friends and loved ones. and that's over a hundred years after the events of this game(i believe)
07-18-2010, 10:15 PM
Because Rahm Kota felt him become one with the force?

Bah; ultimately, it doesn't matter anyway. He "lives" because Lucas Arts was lazy and felt more like making a game with shiny graphics and implausibly large super rancor monsters that'd draw in cheap money than put in effort and make a game with a logical plot.

Maybe not. Vader was the first one to get to his body, and hes far more powerful then Kota. What if Vader felt a spark of life in him and repressed it? Kota would have felt him disapear in the force and Palpatine might not have noticed it because honestly how much power would Vader have had to use to repress his spark? Not much after that explosion. Vader could have said he was dead to force the emperor not to brouch the subject. Also Palpatine lefty the body with Vader, he could have taken it and brought him to Kamino. Finally implausibly large Super Rancors?? Dude NJO had a ****ing living Planet! How is it not possible that the empire didnt create the damn thing???:eek:
07-19-2010, 2:42 PM
Well... technically Vader-Galen is a sort of master-apprentice relationship... so he should feel better when it comes to galen's spark.
07-19-2010, 5:57 PM
Hes Is the real Galen and he was cloned, but thats just my opinion. Only time will guys,
i wonder if they will clear up what happened to him in the final battle. i want to know
how he was able to survive. :) p.s cheeese !!!
07-19-2010, 9:26 PM
i like to think so too, and as for vader telling him hes a clone of a dead original one thing to say, vader is not the most trustworthy guy around as seen here
07-22-2010, 5:10 AM
Starkiller isn't a clone, from what I can gather. He is mentioned on the newer holorecords on the site. You are called subject 1138 on the holocom on the level Empirical on the 1st game, and this same name is mentioned as 'returning' to Kaimino while the klaxons wail and starships scream overhead. I believe that the Galen you play as has been manipulated into thinking he's a clone, while Vader keeps him alive to attempt to successfully clone him. 1157, the one in the tank, is the successful clone.

Or.... the Starkiller you played as for the majority of the first game, after Vader betrays you, was another clone. That'd be weird.
07-22-2010, 5:22 AM
With regards to Shem's anti clone points.
If learning is based on knowledge and practice, and a clone has the memories of Starkiller, it's entirely plausible that he could raplidly develop his Force potential and moves to become just as strong as Galen was when he was cloned. As for memories beyond the cloning point, we have Force Connections etc.

The only thing I have trouble with is so far, rapid cloning requires Force-canceling Ysalamiri, which create Force "blind" clones, who can't feel the Force at all.

If alchemy, I don't see any Sith at the time of the films being capable of alchemy, save perhaps Palpatine, who wouldn't have any motive for doing so, that could involve Vader. It was Palpatine's attempts to use Galen to kill Vader that opened Vader's eyes to the traitorous nature of Palpatine. It was at this point that he began training his own apprentices to defeat his Master, so he wouldn't plan to clone Marek, a potential replacement, for Palpatine.
07-23-2010, 9:18 PM
@Sage - Vadar knew about Palpatines "traitorous nature" before this game in the books, its just he is once more shown.

Subject 1138 -- Galen Marek.

- He could've been cut off from the force when he used such a huge force repulse against palpatine or He was in a near-death state, Hell there are people in the real world who "Die" but then can be brought back. Don't forget there was also a Jedi trance that made the heart beat so faintly that they appeared dead (I don't presume he has this however seeing as how it was an ancient trance used by few).

-Do to his near death experience he also has a coma or vadar worked on suppressing his memory with the technology at Kamino. While at Kamino vadar does clone him as seen in the trailer. Galen finally heals and right now currently a blank slate, due to his coma and the new memories possibly imprinted, does not question he is a clone. When he does have the visions he begins to have doubt and that is when vadar tries to keep him under control by telling him he is a clone. The clone begins to believe his master for a moment until his memories begin to resurface more and more. The final stepping stone to realizing that Vadar is not telling him the whole truth is in the Trailer "Vadar has betrayed me for the last time" this is when he begins to believe he is the true galen but with no proof to go on he goes off to find himself <Follows with the Storyline as to Find out if he is a clone or not> so he goes for Kota in hopes to also perhaps find Juno at the same time.

It would seem it would be going ^ that way to me...but they might do something slightly diffrent...
07-24-2010, 4:58 AM
Man... If you guys have seen the betrayal cinematic.... Vader tells him... "You have served your purpose well" which implies he did work for vader, "But i have no further use for you" strengthens my point even more... Isn't that more than enough... He is not a clone...
07-24-2010, 9:44 AM
He's a clone. He was grown... in a vat...

I wonder if we can make that line into an internet meme.
07-25-2010, 10:14 AM
Or.... the Starkiller you played as for the majority of the first game, after Vader betrays you, was another clone. That'd be weird.


So the ending levels are actually Galeen Marrek instead?
That would make sense for how Kota reacts to him "seeing" starkiller again though (esp the TFU2 trailer ones).
 Darca Lar
07-25-2010, 4:09 PM
He could be the first successful clone, but failed in the fact that he still contains the memories Vader may not want. Vader's just as manipulating as his master, the trailer doesn't offer much other than the clones we know to be clones.
07-25-2010, 5:09 PM
Juno mourned Starkiller as dead...but now he is back, purged of all memories and programmed to kill. And as fate brings Juno and Starkiller closer to reuniting, with Darth Vader determined not to lose his assassin a second time, they will both have to make a stand. The prize is freedom. The punishment for failing will be eternal enslavement to the dark side of the Force...

This is an entry from the Amazon product page for the book. Alot say the books are just as canon and i agree. this shows that starkiller is most likely alive just purged of memory similar to Revan
07-26-2010, 9:46 PM
I know some have been throwing in their ideas in other threads about how Starkiller could have survived, but I thought we should have a thread to actually debate the matter.

So what do you think? Was he actually still alive some how? Did he use some sort of ancient Force Power(essence transfer), or perhaps a new found power? What if Vader lied about him being dead, used the force to conceal his life through the force, and salvaged him once again?

I think Vader could have been masking Starkiller's life from the emperor so that he could try his hand again at claiming the Mantle of Dark Lord. Vader's quotes from the new game trailer maybe some what of a hint.

I'd like to also share that on wookiepedia there has been a small discussion that Starkiller is in fact dead, and the place we see him in in the trailer is the Netherworld. well of course its not tht starkiller is dead but when darth vader try to make a clone army of him one of the clones started getting his memorys back thus starkiller is reborn
11-12-2010, 3:26 PM
You cant clone dead tissue/ cells. the cloning process in star wars shows it only touching the fine line of cloning, the perfect clone would not be phsycally linked to one another, nor share the memories unless the original was alive ,read the science behind star wars and you will see. To clone Master Sifo-Dyas's dna for the medicholrine gene for greivas "Star wars" visionaries" they had to keep him under a medical koma when he was half dead, so he wouldnt wake or die. Therefore able to retreive the dna and clone that specific part.
So to conclude, i must suggest that the original G Marek is and will certainally be in a near dead state but kept ( like a vegitable ) in one of those komas, thats why the mentally unstable clone ( the one you are playing as ) is phsycally attached to his memories. Vader wants to remove this and clone one who is not then he will destroy the original. p.s - this is to some content probably true but i am on the other hand just speculating. lol
11-13-2010, 3:55 AM
Starkiller need not be alive. The "Spirit" of force users exists long after their death. The force is the glue of the GFFA and I would not be surprised if it complicates cloning.
 Zerimar Nyliram
11-13-2010, 8:05 PM
Actually, that's not right: In Star Wars, the ability to preserve one's consciousness after death is a technique that one must learn and perfect, and very few knew of it at the time of the movies. I can find no evidence that Galen knew of this technique, so I would assume that he faded into oblivion as any other soul that doesn't possess this secret knowledge. In fact, the novelization of the first game supports this for it describes Galen's soul rising from his body and then dissolving into nothingness.

Good post, Smith_Stalker. I hope you don't turn out to be one of those people that signs up for Lucas Forums only to make a single post and then goes away forever. ;)
11-14-2010, 1:46 AM
It's hard to say but I'd like to say that Starkiller is alive. Considering the Distant Thunder cutscenes I like to think that Vader showed the Dark Clone the "dead" body of Starkiller and then after that Vader awakens or resurrects Starkiller and he has amnesia like Revan did in KotOR. Either that or that there's the Dark Clone and a good clone(the one we control in TFU2) and the original is still alive but in stasis.

Who knows though, the Distant Thunder cutscenes may not even be canon, and may only be used to create some sort of an infinities backstory to the Dark Clone just for the Dark Side ending.
 Zerimar Nyliram
11-15-2010, 11:21 AM
They're canon. It's the only thing the make sense. As I explained in another thread, everything up to the moment where you make that dark side/light side choice is canon, including everything going on behind the scenes. That means that, for the events of the non-canonical dark side ending to play out, everything before then in the canonical portion of the story has to take place. The Dark Apprentice doesn't just "poof" into existence at that point. Therefore, he exists in the canonical story, but doesn't show his face.
 Mandalorian Mercenary
12-06-2010, 4:56 PM
Yeah, it'd be kind've cheesy if the dark apprentice just popped out of thin air and stabbed Starkiller..

I believe this Galen Marek is a clone. Just because he had memories that the original Starkiller had doesn't mean he IS Starkiller. Remember, the clones of Jango Fett would often have memory flashbacks from HIM; and he died in Episode II.
 Darca Lar
12-07-2010, 5:43 PM
You know, i'm gonna change my answer to alive. But I think he will truly be dead by the end of the third installment.
 Mandalorian Mercenary
12-07-2010, 8:16 PM
Wait, there's a 3rd one coming?
 Sordid Dreams
12-08-2010, 11:29 AM
The ending (or lack tereof) of TFU2 definitely indicates a planned third installment. I guess it depends on how it sells. If it makes a profit, then of course LA isn't going to let the franchise die.
 Zerimar Nyliram
12-08-2010, 4:43 PM
I don't know about that. Look at Knights of the Old Republic.
 Mandalorian Mercenary
12-08-2010, 6:11 PM
Indeed. Did you ever chase/fight Boba Fett in your game? I have it for PC, and I never got to fight or see him except for the brief cutscene with Vader.. :/
 Sordid Dreams
12-08-2010, 6:33 PM
Exactly, look at Kotor. The first one was a huge hit, so they rushed a sequel out. That, due to being rushed, was significanly less well received and suffered much worse sales. And they axed the series.

There's a cutscene with Boba Fett and Vader, then you see Fett grab Juno and drag her away on the... Salvation or whatever that ship's name is, and then once you get to the hanger you see his ship blast away just as you enter the room. All in all, less than 30 seconds of screen time.
 Zerimar Nyliram
12-09-2010, 3:00 PM
Yeah, it seems a complete waste of the character. We should've had more interaction with him, possibly even battling him as a boss. It's weird because when I read the part of the novel where Starkiller reaches hanger where Fett is abducting Juno, I though for sure there would have been ample interaction with the character in the game at that point. But nope! We barely even catch a glimpse of his ship departing, which was far less dramatic than it was in the novel and graphic novel (wherein Fett blasts out into space with Juno in his grasp and merely slaps a breathing mask on her, which is just retarded. I suppose, in a way, the way it played out in the game was good in that respect).

If you want to gain better insight into Boba Fett's role in the story, I suggest reading the graphic novel because that's about it. Unfortunate, yes.
 Sordid Dreams
12-09-2010, 5:43 PM
Oh, and speaking of underwhelming, what about that bit where Juno is seen lying in the middle of an empty room? There was no indication of what knocked her out and the placement is so conspicuous that it just screamed TRAP! in my face. I thought she'd been knocked out by Fett and placed there as bait. But nope, guess not. :(
 Mandalorian Mercenary
12-09-2010, 7:08 PM
Where was that again? ^^ And change your costume to a Nemoidian, it looks so stupid it's hilarious xD
 Sordid Dreams
12-09-2010, 7:53 PM
That's on the Salvation, right before you encounter the Terror Troopers for the first time. You see Juno on the floor through some glass (which, unlike any other glass in the game, is inexplicably Force- and lightsaber-proof). Then you backtrack a bit, take the long way around, and smash through an identical looking glass just as Fett takes her away.
12-10-2010, 1:28 PM
thank you Zerimar Nyliram hahah but no i am not a one time replyer, :) i have joined this forum as i am a loyal brethern to the Star Wars Universe and from knowledgeable terms i have read contless times i came up with that theory lol any questions just ask lol
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