Posts on ACORN were moved from the Bank bailout bill to this thread which Yar-El had originally started (other posts got inserted ahead of it due to them being posted earlier than Yar-El's initial post in this thread). Some of the conversation may sound a bit disjointed in the first few posts as a result--the system merges posts by time of post, not by what thread they were moved from. --Jae
Not sure if anyone else has posted this but the Democrats tried to sneak a bunch of funds for Acorn into the bailout bill.
Acorn is a leftwing activist organization, that has gotten in trouble for voter fraud.
Oh and Barack Obama was not only their lawyer, but also served in a leadership role.
Because obviously giving funds to a group that helps out low income families is so much worse than say...getting money for a bridge and not building it....while keeping the money.
Because obviously giving funds to a group that helps out low income families is so much worse than say...getting money for a bridge and not building it....while keeping the money.
Problem is that's not what they do, they in reality register people that don't even exist to vote and then flood polling places with phony votes for Democrats.
And Senator Obama has extremely close ties to Acorn.
Thing is if the Democrats hadn't blocked legislation recommended by Bush in 2003, or legislation that McCain supported twice once in 2005-06 and once in 2007, we wouldn't be in this mess.
But the Dems didn't want to lose their kickbacks from Fanny/Freddie. (sp?)
Obama's Connection to ACORN?
It sounded like a second topic, so I opened up a new thread. Who is ACORN and what is Obama's connection.
The National Review: Inside Obama’s Acorn (
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=)
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: Barack Obama's Closet (
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/datelinedc/s_488184.html): But back in Chicago, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is more important than Iraq or Washington. ACORN and its associated Midwest Academy, both founded in the 1970s, continue to train and mobilize activists throughout the country, often using them to manipulate public opinion through "direct action." It's sometimes a code for illegal activities.
Wall Street Journal: Democratic Ally Mobilizes In Housing Crunch (
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121745181676698197.html)
I'm reading up on ACORN now. Another poster had made a connection between Obama, the $700 billion dollar bail out, and a radical group called ACORN. Who are they? Where is the connection? What do they have to do with the bail out?
Original post: Not sure if anyone else has posted this but the Democrats tried to sneak a bunch of funds for Acorn into the bailout bill.
Acorn is a leftwing activist organization, that has gotten in trouble for voter fraud.
Oh and Barack Obama was not only their lawyer, but also served in a leadership role.
Problem is that's not what they do, they in reality register people that don't even exist to vote and then flood polling places with phony votes for Democrats.
Not that this is particularly unique to the Democrats.
And Senator Obama has extremely close ties to Acorn.
Considering it's a major political origination in his home town, that's hardly surprising.
Thing is if the Democrats hadn't blocked legislation recommended by Bush in 2003, or legislation that McCain supported twice once in 2005-06 and once in 2007, we wouldn't be in this mess.
"this mess" has been a long time building. And it's blame lies with everyone from the average american to the federal reserve. Democrats and Republicans alike. Also, in case you didn't notice, in 2003, Republicans controlled Congress.
Is the solution "give them more money"? Not really. Will it help? probably for a while. But the inherent problems remain in the market with bad lending policies and little oversight.
But the Dems didn't want to lose their kickbacks from Fanny/Freddie. (sp?)
And neither do the Republicans.
How often is "sometimes"? What does the writer consider an "illegal activity"? Is it one defined by a clear law, such as breaking and entering, or is it protesting without a permit? Boycotting some goods or something?
"Dateline DC" seems to just put things next to each other and then presume that they have something in common. Because the disappearance of some guy is right next to where he's talking about other things, we are left with the conclusion they are related, which in reality they have nothing in common.
And lets be fair, if big business lobbyists can get money from congress to do stuff that is beneficial to the Senators, such as giving massive money to oil companies while they're making windfall profits, it's hardly unbelievable to think the other side might give money to people who support it. If the housing crash is kicking people out of their homes, then to avoid them living off our taxes and in the streets, we need to get them a home. Government-created projects are what helped bring us out of the Great Depression, it worked, and so it can again.
You aren't denying that ACORN is involved in Voter Fraud? Strange. I don't know anything about ACORN or it's connections to Obama, but the fact that you're so blithe about the fact that Obama is connected to an organization accused of Voter Fraud concerns me.
You aren't denying that ACORN is involved in Voter Fraud? Strange. I don't know anything about ACORN or it's connections to Obama, but the fact that you're so blithe about the fact that Obama is connected to an organization accused of Voter Fraud concerns me.
I'm not denying or attesting to it, I'm saying IF it's true, it's not entirely unbelievable. I haven't found a lot of information one way or the other so I'm not sure.
I'm not denying or attesting to it, I'm saying IF it's true, it's not entirely unbelievable. I haven't found a lot of information one way or the other so I'm not sure.
It was beyond merely involved, he was a lawyer for them and helped train their activists. That was his "Community Organizing" experience.
Registering convicted Felons, dead people, illegal aliens, people that don't even exist, and people's pets to vote is illegal activity putting it mildly.
And Obama was not only their lawyer, but he helped train their activists, what do you think his "Community Organizing" experience was?
Registering convicted Felons, dead people, illegal aliens, people that don't even exist, and people's pets to vote is illegal activity putting it mildly.
A lot of groups do that on all sides. How the hell do you think Ross Perot got so many votes in '92?
And Obama was not only their lawyer, but he helped train their activists, what do you think his "Community Organizing" experience was?
I don't see how him representing someone legally makes him "one of them". Also, we know his community organizing records and what he did as an organizer.
Besides, George Bush used to do coke, drive his car and drink a beer at the same time.
We still elected him.
Acorn workers have been implicated in voter fraud in WI in 2004 (
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=780716) and again in recent months--it's a pretty big issue here.
That does not mean Obama even knew about voter fraud in Chicago.
Then again, I take that back--everyone knows there's voter fraud in Chicago. However, whether Obama was involved in it or not is another issue.
Acorn workers have been implicated in voter fraud in WI in 2004 (
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=780716) and again in recent months--it's a pretty big issue here.
That does not mean Obama even knew about voter fraud in Chicago.
Then again, I take that back--everyone knows there's voter fraud in Chicago. However, whether Obama was involved in it or not is another issue.
Ah but he was their lawyer and helped train their people in Chicago back when he was a Community Organizer.
Ah but he was their lawyer and helped train their people in Chicago back when he was a Community Organizer.
no, he didn't. He represented their people in legal situations. His records as community orginizer do not include "training activists". Unless you've got some links to back you up?
Ah but he was their lawyer and helped train their people in Chicago back when he was a Community Organizer.
Do you have a source beyond Fox News, Rush Limbaugh or any other bias entertainment source? Is this a similar type of attack as the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry or Jerry Killian attacks on President Bush’s military record?
Ah but he was their lawyer and helped train their people in Chicago back when he was a Community Organizer.
Again, simply being legal counsel in court hearings does not provide one privileged information to all acts that take place, simply what happens when he represents them and what he's representing them for.
And just because they're known vote frauders doesn't mean his association is something negative. Thousands of non-douchebags join PETA despite it mainly being pretentious douchebags.
Ah but he was their lawyer and helped train their people in Chicago back when he was a Community Organizer.
That doesn't mean he trained them to commit fraud, or that he even knew that some people were committing this fraud. When I became a deputy registrar in Ohio and was registering voters, I was carefully informed by the staff about the law regarding those registrations, and what to do and not do (e.g. don't register dead people, etc.). In fact, if he knew about fraud and didn't do something to stop it, he'd have been disbarred and likely brought up on charges for violating election law.
I dunno Jae, a lot of people get away with a lot of stuff. I'm not saying he's guilty of any wrongdoing, just pointing out that with Chicago being what it is, it is pretty suspicious.
Of course I had a friend who was a defense lawyer. He defended several people that were pretty well guilty. He didn't want to know if they had really done it or not, instead he always started with the assumption that the accusations were false.
He was more than merely a lawyer for them:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0)
This also ties into the bailout, but the two are interrelated
http://www.thenextright.com/ozarkguru/major-earmark-in-democrat-bailout-agreement)
From article
In the "agreement in principle," there is the effect of a major "earmark" which commits money from future "profits" to be given to nonprofits organizations like ACORN, National Council of La Raza and potentially the National Urban League. This agreement clearly evidences that the Government expects to benefit in the future from the bailout when the values of property rises and mortgages or properties are then sold by the Federal government. The agreement -- "Directs a certain percentage of future profits to the Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund to meet America's housing needs."
In the proposed bailout agreement, Sen. Christopher Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee and other Democrats desire to pre-direct that future funds (profits) not be returned to the taxpayers via the treasury but that they be used to underwrite potential questionable (maybe even illegal activities) of certain nonprofits which have had a hand in promoting and expanding access to "no money down" loans for minorities, illegal voter registrations and extensive lobbying activities.
The article goes on to say:
ACORN is the agency where Sen. Barack Obama worked as a trainer for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform (ACORN), whose affiliate, Project Vote, is known for voter fraud. It is this same organization from which a large part of the mortgage mess has grown. After Harvard Law School, Obama provided legal representation for ACORN. Obama sat on the boards of the philanthropic Woods Foundation and the Joyce Foundation which both funneled millions of dollars to ACORN.
I think it's more than just a legally representing them in a court case.
What does this article have to do with Obama training ACORN in how to perform illegal acts?
In those years, he also conducted leadership-training seminars for ACORN's up-and-coming organizers. That is, Obama was training the army of ACORN organizers who participated in Madeline Talbott's drive against Chicago's banks.
Oh my God, he conducted leadership-training seminars. Well I’m in trouble too, because I have done the same thing within my company and the community. Again, what does that have to do with voter fraud?
What was Obama connection to illegal activity with ACORN? The only thing I see illegal about ACORN is voter fraud, so what is Obama connection to voter fraud? Saying he trained members has nothing to do with it, unless he trained them in how to commit voters fraud.
I think it's more than just a legally representing them in a court case.Yes, but there is nothing illegal or unethical about being associated with them unless he was involved in illegal activity or knew about the activity.
I helped train a group of accountants to play volleyball as a team for the company picnic, by the end of the next year their firm was out of business due to fraud which involved members of the team. I also had donated money to a charity drive conducted by their company. I’m I guilty by association?
People committing illegal activities usually don’t advertise that they are involved in illegal activity. So unless there is proof that Obama was involved in the illegal activity or proof that he has spider sense I will hold him blameless.
Quoting the Article again:
ACORN is the agency where Sen. Barack Obama worked as a trainer for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform (ACORN), whose affiliate, Project Vote, is known for voter fraud. It is this same organization from which a large part of the mortgage mess has grown. After Harvard Law School, Obama provided legal representation for ACORN. Obama sat on the boards of the philanthropic Woods Foundation and the Joyce Foundation which both funneled millions of dollars to ACORN.
Also I need to find the source again, but on at least one of those foundations, Obama was in charge of finances and that was his "executive experience."
Again, what is illegal about this?
ACORN is not a drug cartel or a prostitution ring. Working for them does not make Obama a criminal, no more than working for Enron or Arthur Anderson made my friends criminals.
So what proof do you have that Obama was involved with voter fraud? Do you have proof of any other illegal activity performed by ACORN? If so, where is the proof of Obama’s involvement or knowledge?
Just because the author of the article used illegal sounding terms like funneled, does not make it illegal. Obama sat on the boards of the philanthropic Woods Foundation and the Joyce Foundation which both contributed millions of dollars to ACORN Fixed! Feel better?
Again, what is illegal about this?
Aside from him being involved in forcing banks to make the loans that caused this mess, and potentially being involved in voter fraud. At very least he needs to be investigated.
ACORN is not a drug cartel or a prostitution ring. Working for them does not make Obama a criminal, no more than working for Enron or Arthur Anderson made my friends criminals.
No, they just violate federal law and try to hijack the election process to get radicals elected into office.
So what proof do you have that Obama was involved with voter fraud? Do you have proof of any other illegal activity performed by ACORN? If so, where is the proof of Obama’s involvement or knowledge?
There is enough there to demand further investigation.
Just because the author of the article used illegal sounding terms like funneled, does not make it illegal. Fixed! Feel better?
Actually I don't feel any better, because you're distorting the article, those two foundations were supposed to be funding education, and instead they are funding a left-wing radical organization and Ayers' pet projects.
I trained a gal to do preliminary tests at one of the offices I worked at. A few weeks later we discovered she was involved in some cash missing from the cash drawer (which mysteriously 'reappeared' under a printer when she was confronted with the discrepency). We also discovered right around the time she quit that some peoples' personal items also had gone missing while she was around, and the theft problem went away when she quit.
I trained her. The office manager trained her on correct handling of the store's money and cash register. We followed policy, but this girl was just a thief (alleged of course). We were not guilty of her theft, and in fact trained her on appropriate company policy. However, we couldn't make her follow it. It also doesn't make us thieves because she was one--you're implying that Obama a. knew and b. condoned the illegal behavior, and we just don't know if either is true.
Sure, people can investigate if there was any evidence of Obama telling people to register voters fraudulently, and if legitimate evidence is found, it should be brought to light. However, I don't think we'd ever find that kind of evidence, because I don't think Obama had much to do with the day-to-day activities of the registrars themselves.
I trained a gal to do preliminary tests at one of the offices I worked at. A few weeks later we discovered she was involved in some cash missing from the cash drawer (which mysteriously 'reappeared' under a printer when she was confronted with the discrepency). We also discovered right around the time she quit that some peoples' personal items also had gone missing while she was around, and the theft problem went away when she quit.
I trained her. The office manager trained her on correct handling of the store's money and cash register. We followed policy, but this girl was just a thief (alleged of course). We were not guilty of her theft, and in fact trained her on appropriate company policy. However, we couldn't make her follow it. It also doesn't make us thieves because she was one--you're implying that Obama a. knew and b. condoned the illegal behavior, and we just don't know if either is true.
Sure, people can investigate if there was any evidence of Obama telling people to register voters fraudulently, and if legitimate evidence is found, it should be brought to light. However, I don't think we'd ever find that kind of evidence, because I don't think Obama had much to do with the day-to-day activities of the registrars themselves.
Difference between you and Senator Obama, you haven't taken steps to hide your associations. You were honest and upfront about it, he was trying to hide it.
Difference between you and Senator Obama, you haven't taken steps to hide your associations. You were honest and upfront about it, he was trying to hide it.
In order to "hide" something, you have to have done it in the first place. Since he hasn't done anything, he's not hiding anything. See the logic here?
In order to "hide" something, you have to have done it in the first place. Since he hasn't done anything, he's not hiding anything. See the logic here?
Uh it has come out that he was hiding the depth of his association to these people and organizations.
For example his 'Ayers merely neighbors and out children went to school together' explanation. It turns out they were on the same boards together, heck they even made the rules for one of the foundations they both were on. Top that off his kids and Ayers' kids couldn't have gone to school together, see the problem with his story.
Uh it has come out that he was hiding the depth of his association to these people and organizations.
For example his 'Ayers merely neighbors and out children went to school together' explanation. It turns out they were on the same boards together, heck they even made the rules for one of the foundations they both were on. Top that off his kids and Ayers' kids couldn't have gone to school together, see the problem with his story.
So, he knew this guy better than he said. Does that make him a terrorist? No, it doesn't. He probably wanted to keep it low 'cause he knew all the media morons would have a field day with it and it would distract from ACTUAL issues.
Hey, I'm not the biggest fan of Obama, but seriously, there are far more important things to talk about.
Hey, I'm not the biggest fan of Obama, but seriously, there are far more important things to talk about.Well if the Right can’t find anything real to criticize Obama on, the just must rely on making stuff up. Obama is a Muslim. Obama is friends with terrorist. Obama did illegal activity for ACORN. We have no real proof mind you, but if he wasn’t guilty he could prove his innocents.:rolleyes:
Now that the polls are going against John McCain I look for more of these scare tactics from the right.
Well if the Right can’t find anything real to criticize Obama on, the just must rely on making stuff up. Obama is a Muslim. Obama is friends with terrorist. Obama did illegal activity for ACORN. We have no real proof mind you, but if he wasn’t guilty he could prove his innocents.:rolleyes:
Now that the polls are going against John McCain I look for more of these scare tactics from the right.
I'd like to see evidence to these things, but I do not believe Obama is a Muslim. That was a rumor that has never been proven. Obama has said he's Christian. And even if he was Muslim who cares. Why would that be a bad thing? It should'nt.
You may say because we are in a war fighting Muslims. No. We are fighting terrorists who happen to be of Muslim faith. Muslims are not bad. It's those extremists who pervert the religion, it's those few who have twisted Muslim faith to ensite violence and holy war. But it is not a bad religion. And even if Obama was Muslim that's not a bad thing. There are extremist Morman cults who have raped children. Does this mean the Morman faith is bad? No the Morman faith is not bad. Because a few Catholic leaders raped young boys does not make the Catholic faith bad. The individuals who did the wrong are at fault, not the religion.
A religion isn't bad, people can be bad, and people can manipulate. I believe most Muslims are good people who some openly disagree heavily with our culture and what they deem as sinful. They have every right to have an opinion as do other religions.
So to say Obama's Muslim and that would be a bad thing in my opinion is wrong. Yeah I'm a conservative and I can point out when someone in my opinion is wrong about even the guy I'm not voting for.
I'd like to see evidence to these things, but I do not believe Obama is a Muslim. That was a rumor that has never been proven. Obama has said he's Christian. And even if he was Muslim who cares. Why would that be a bad thing? It should'nt.
Not sure what this has to do with his ACORN association
Well here's some key things you aren't paying attention to :
1. Obama's father and step-father were Muslim
a. under Islamic Law you are born a Muslim if your father was Muslim, and it is sacrilige of the highest order if you reject Allah after being a Muslim.
-. I don't see Muslim groups calling for his head in fact groups like Hamas are actively supporting him.
2. If he is actually a Muslim and not a Christian it wouldn't really be that big of a deal, IF assuming he's a Muslim had been up front and honest about his faith. But if he is actually a Muslim and it comes out, then his campaign is finished because he'd have been lieing to everyone and the idea emerges, with his aide's secretly meeting with Hamas, that he's actually a sleeper agent.
That's Obama's problem compared to McCain.
McCain has been up front on negatives and if something is his fault he takes responsibility, but Obama on the other hand accuses people whom criticize him of being "fear-mongerers", racists, etc.
Not sure what this has to do with his ACORN association
Well here's some key things you aren't paying attention to :
1. Obama's father and step-father were Muslim
a. under Islamic Law you are born a Muslim if your father was Muslim, and it is sacrilige of the highest order if you reject Allah after being a Muslim.
-. I don't see Muslim groups calling for his head in fact groups like Hamas are actively supporting him.
2. If he is actually a Muslim and not a Christian it wouldn't really be that big of a deal, IF assuming he's a Muslim had been up front and honest about his faith. But if he is actually a Muslim and it comes out, then his campaign is finished because he'd have been lieing to everyone and the idea emerges, with his aide's secretly meeting with Hamas, that he's actually a sleeper agent.
That's Obama's problem compared to McCain.
McCain has been up front on negatives and if something is his fault he takes responsibility, but Obama on the other hand accuses people whom criticize him of being "fear-mongerers", racists, etc.
His relations being Muslim does not make him (Obama) Muslim. Just because a religion says your father and stuff were Muslim and says that makes you Muslim does not prevent that person from choosing not to be Muslim.
I simply was responding to others who saw claims by people saying Obama is Muslim like that would be a bad thing.
I think Muslims like him or prefer him over McCain because they think he won't be as tough or do the things McCain might do if elected.
And you said IF. Again it has not ben proven. McCain like you I'm voting for. I'm voting more for Palin though. But I believe this about him being Muslim is a rumor nothing more. A Christian family has a son and that son can choose to be athest. A family of Mormans can have a daughter that can choose to be Catholic. No matter what a religion says we can choose to follow it, continue to follow it, not follow it, and change. We live in a country where you can have freedom of religion or freedom not to have a religion. regardless if one religion considers that sacrilige.
If he turns out to be a sleeper agent IF elected I'll say your right. But at this point this him being Muslim is just a rumor not fact.
I'm just pointing out that I'm not talking about the religion itself, I'm talking about being straight up and honest with the American People, if it comes out that Obama is actually a Muslim (assuming he is), it hurts his credibility. Just like his credibility would be hurt if people actually reported about how close his associations with Ayers and ACCORN are.
I'm just pointing out that I'm not talking about the religion itself, I'm talking about being straight up and honest with the American People, if it comes out that Obama is actually a Muslim (assuming he is), it hurts his credibility. Just like his credibility would be hurt if people actually reported about how close his associations with Ayers and ACCORN are.
I agree he's lied about other things. I agree that if any candidate lies that hurts their credibility. But again it has yet to be proven that he's Muslim. But if it is proven then yes him saying he's Christian would be a lie. But currently it's a rumor that is not the same as the facts he's been wrong on or lied about.
I agree he's lied about other things. I agree that if any candidate lies that hurts their credibility. But again it has yet to be proven that he's Muslim. But if it is proven then yes him saying he's Christian would be a lie. But currently it's a rumor that is not the same as the facts he's been wrong on or lied about.
Back to topic, the fact he's involved in Chicago Politics and his "community organizing" is tied directly to a group that is well-known for voter fraud is pretty damning.
Back to topic, the fact he's involved in Chicago Politics and his "community organizing" is tied directly to a group that is well-known for voter fraud is pretty damning.And McCain just added $150 billion in pork to the bailout bill, how about we call it even and admit that Obama, McCain, and every other politician in this country is crooked as ****?
And McCain just added $150 billion in pork to the bailout bill, how about we call it even and admit that Obama, McCain, and every other politician in this country is crooked as ****?
It wasn't him who added the pork to the bill, he voted for the overall bill rather than see the entire bill tank and watch the economy collapse.
Also wasn't Obama supposed to be a new kind of politician, by your statement, he's just more of the same.
And McCain just added $150 billion in pork to the bailout bill, how about we call it even and admit that Obama, McCain, and every other politician in this country is crooked as ****?
I agree. Both Obama and McCain were for the bailout bill which regretfully just passed today. I feel it's the same bill as before, but with a lot of pork and regulations added in to regulate stuff, but worded to where it really cannot be enforced. Also, it gives Polsin and the same people who did this stuff the power. The same guys on Wall Street who did the wrong things in the first place. And you wonder why congress's approval rating is so low. The majority of their constituents (us) contacting them they've ignored. The politions we elected. So they work for us. And they should listen to us because we basically employed them.
The last time they said it was simply because the bill wasn't explained well enough. Yes it was. I feel that even with a bill we are going to go down hill here. It's just I don't want those that barrowed more than they should've, and made the bad decisions should get a bailout.
I agree. Both Obama and McCain were for the bailout bill which regretfully just passed today. I feel it's the same bill as before, but with a lot of pork and regulations added in to regulate stuff, but worded to where it really cannot be enforced. Also, it gives Polsin and the same people who did this stuff the power. The same guys on Wall Street who did the wrong things in the first place. And you wonder why congress's approval rating is so low. The majority of their constituents (us) contacting them they've ignored. The last time they said it was simply because the bill wasn't explained well enough. Yes it was. I feel that even with a bill we are going to go down hill here. It's just I don't want those that barrowed more than they should've, and made the bad decisions should get a bailout.
It was this bill or total collapse because the Democrats in the Senate went on vacation immediately after the passage of this. Also the Senate had to attach this bailout to a bill already there, otherwise they couldn't have even brought this up.
Granted President Bush could use military force to drag the Senators back kicking and screaming if need be, but that wouldn't have gone over very well.
It was this bill or total collapse because the Democrats in the Senate went on vacation immediately after the passage of this. Also the Senate had to attach this bailout to a bill already there, otherwise they couldn't have even brought this up.
Granted President Bush could use military force to drag the Senators back kicking and screaming if need be, but that wouldn't have gone over very well.
I believe that since this bill puts the same overall athority to the same people who messed us Wall Street that the same problems will happen again.
I believe that since this bill puts the same overall athority to the same people who messed us Wall Street that the same problems will happen again.
What else could they do, you advocating President Bush to have used the Military to haul the US Senate back in.
What else could they do, you advocating President Bush to have used the Military to haul the US Senate back in.
I'm not advocating that about Bush. I'm simply saying whether we have a bailout bill or not I simply believe we are going to have a tough time here anyway. And the last thing I want to do is give Wall Street a bailout when they and others caused this mess in the first place. And this bill gives those who did this mess in the first place the power overall.
So yeah I agree with the majority who called their congressmen and said don't pass this bill. Sadly they passed it. And I think Bush is going along with the bill to get himself out of the hot seat for the overspending he was responsible for too.
Some sources that talk about Obama and ACORN:
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20143051&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=623508&rfi=6)
http://texasholdemblogger.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/acorn-caught-cheating-in-michigan/)
And Obama is paying ACORN?!?!?
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_584829.html)
Granted I'm having to use a lot of letters to the Editor and what not, but most news outlets are actively supporting Obama.
And that's another reason why I believe the majority of the drive by media is pro Obama.
Also wasn't Obama supposed to be a new kind of politician, by your statement, he's just more of the same.Woah there pal, I like to split my scumbag politicians into groups, like a big scummy rainbow stretching from one end of the country to the other.
Woah there pal, I like to split my scumbag politicians into groups, like a big scummy rainbow stretching from one end of the country to the other.
Well what I've pointed out thus far is the tip of the iceberg, he's represented them in voter fraud cases.
He's also planned out some of their other activities.
Anyways Obama's even lied about working for ACORN.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-claims-he-never-worked-for-acorn)
Well what I've pointed out thus far is the tip of the iceberg, he's represented them in voter fraud cases. Stretching the truth?
Obama was one of the lawyers who represented ACORN in a suit against the state of Illinois. This was not a criminal case and voter fraud is a criminal case.
ACORN first case of voter fraud happened in 2004, please explain to me how Obama represented ACORN when by the time the case got to court he was and United States Senator.
Stretching the truth?
Obama was one of the lawyers who represented ACORN in a suit against the state of Illinois. This was not a criminal case and voter fraud is a criminal case.
Wasn't that a situation of Illinois was about to take dead people and people that had moved out of state off the voter lists?
Or was it the one that caused this current mess involving sub-prime mortgages?
ACORN first case of voter fraud happened in 2004, please explain to me how Obama represented ACORN when by the time the case got to court he was and United States Senator.
The first case of them getting actually caught that you know of I think there were some other cases before that I can look around, anyways...
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/surprise-acorn-busted-in-michigan-voter.html)
Wasn't that a situation of Illinois was about to take dead people and people that had moved out of state off the voter lists? No it was what the Republican's consider holy un-American allowing everyone eligible the right to vote.
Or was it the one that caused this current mess involving sub-prime mortgages? Confusion. McCain was the one that voted to deregulate the banking industry. Even after voting to deregulate the Saving and Loans industry that lead to our last major banking bailout.
A few loans in the Chicago or even the state of Illinois does not add up to 750 billion dollars.
The first case of them getting actually caught that you know of I think there were some other cases before that I can look around, anyways... For there to be a case in which Obama represented them, then by the very definition they would have had to get caught first. Criminal Case - A lawsuit brought by a prosecutor employed by the federal, state or local government that charges a person with the commission of a crime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_597487)
Also ties YouTube financially to Obama's campaign since YouTube is owned by Time Warner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2Io&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_313445)
No it was what the Republican's consider holy un-American allowing everyone eligible the right to vote.
I don't consider someone whom died in the Civil War to be eligible to vote.
Confusion. McCain was the one that voted to deregulate the banking industry. Even after voting to deregulate the Saving and Loans industry that lead to our last major banking bailout.
If you believe that the suit involving Obama lead to this mess, then you must be a Republican member of the House of Representatives and have no true understanding of the scope of this mess. A few loans in the Chicago or even the state of Illinois does not add up to 750 billion dollars.
Watch the videos and it tells you who caused this mess.
For there to be a case in which Obama to represent them, then by the very definition they would have had to get caught first.
Blocking them from taking dead people off voter registration is supporting them.
And as far as voting for the Deregulation, Senator McCain wasn't present for the vote. So he couldn't have voted yes.
Also ties YouTube financially to Obama's campaign since YouTube is owned by Time Warner.
YouTube is owned by Google, kthnx.
Watch the videos and it tells you who caused this mess.
Watching obviously biased videos will really change people's minds. Right. :rolleyes: