Am I the only one who is bothered by the fact that the Apprentice holds his lightsaber backwards? I really wish he would hold it normally because it looks better that way.
If he holds it normally, the player won't be able to see it from a third-person perspective.
Holding a lightsaber normally isn't new and edgy enough. Didn't you get the memo?
You're not the only one, but I do not understand why this bothers people.
Probably because it just feels like a change for the sake of change.
I can understand that... but the fact that it's backwards alone doesn't bother me. I've seen other posts where people are legitimately bothered by the fact that it's backwards.
I think the conventional way looks better, that's all I'm saying.
I wont feel any differently about the game because of it (there are much better things like the lack of content for the Next Gen Consoles to worry about), I wont lose sleep over it either, I just think it looks dumb.
Sorry if it came across this way, Fortune, but I really didn't intend to criticize your viewpoint. I was really speaking about an earlier thread on the topic where people seemed genuinely upset by it.
There's another topic a little down this one commenting on the "fancy" way the Apprentice holds his saber. I shall repeat my comment there: People, you're way to orthodox.
Personally I like an accurate representation of Shien, lol (not like kotor where changing styles just changes stats).
I like it, I think it looks cool. But I'll have to wait and see how it looks and plays in-game, though. Still, I think it'll be great.
The form is called "Shien" and I like it better, mainly because it isn't used in any other game that I know of :)
I think it looks pretty tight, it's a good way to break the mold as far as lightsabers go.
Plus it's pretty much bad ass.
I agree - I think it looks cool too and I think it adds an element of the Apprentice being an arrogant bada$$.
It really doesn't bother me. I think that it is pretty cool actually. It is different. Starkiller is a different kinda guy I guess. To me, he really isn't 'conventional'. ;)
It's awesome, no one else uses Shien as their primary form, I love Shien, whenever I'm having a saber fight with a friend I try to use Shien, it's fun, and hard... ;)
I think it's something new and kinda cool, edgy, ya know? If you think of the first time you saw Darth Maul's dual lightsaber, and thought "Oh cool, I hadn't thought of that" Or Dooku's curved hilt, it's not traditional, but neither is the SA. He's unleashed, a bit rough around the edges, and I think it was very fitting to have a new force 'wrecking ball' come out with a badass way of holding his saber.
that being said, I can see how it would bother some... just the same way not being able to dual wield is bothering some.
Yeah, it's new, it's cool, it's different, it's Vader's Secret Aprentice...:lol:
I like it, its aggresive and it fits the apprentice's character well.
It's a personal style. We see a lot of different styles all over the movies and Expanded Universe (Count Dooku being particularly noteworthy), so Starkiller's style doesn't bother me one bit.
that being said, I can see how it would bother some... just the same way not being able to dual wield is bothering some.
despite the fact that jar'kai is my favorite style, the fact that you can't do it in this game still doesn't bother me. XD
SA's shien looks too cool for disappointment :)
Holding a lightsaber normally isn't new and edgy enough. Didn't you get the memo?
He's only expecting to get enemies from behind. With his uber-coolness radiating so strongly, no one would dare attack from the front.
He's only expecting to get enemies from behind. With his uber-coolness radiating so strongly, no one would dare attack from the front.
OR...his eyes shoot Force Death-Beams! XD
It doesn't bother me, but I do wonder: What possible advantage is there to holding your lightsaber like that? I mean, yeah, you can hold your lightsaber any way you want and call it a new form, but how exactly is that helping?
It doesn't bother me, but I do wonder: What possible advantage is there to holding your lightsaber like that? I mean, yeah, you can hold your lightsaber any way you want and call it a new form, but how exactly is that helping?
it has the element of mystery. not many people use Shien as a primary style, so not many would know how to counter it well either. keeping your opponent guessing is half the battle.
I personally think it's kinda cool to have the change. I would be a little unconventional in my saber holding if i was that powerful
If he holds it normally, the player won't be able to see it from a third-person perspective.
In JK, JK2, JA, BF2 (I cant think of any more at the moment) the 3rd person perspective shows the lightsaber.
Believe it or not, it is a bit more defensive with a different attack style added. It also is a way to hold a sword (anyone seen equilibrium. I know it's not real but the idea for such a grip had to come from somewhere)
it has the element of mystery. not many people use Shien as a primary style, so not many would know how to counter it well either. keeping your opponent guessing is half the battle.
I agree. The imprevisibility of the form is it's strong point.
It's different, it bugs just a little, because I don't know how he'll swing :lol: I love to watch Shien in use when fighting with friends, because they always hit something sensative :xp: I'm curious to see how'l he'll swing and fight...
I think he is a Shien user - after all, Vader is his master, and as Anakin he was most proficient in Form V.
If he holds it normally, the player won't be able to see it from a third-person perspective.
If I am correct the Jedi Knight games were in 3rd person and I never had a problem seeing the lightsaber. Regarding the original post, I think they just did it so the SA would stand out, wich I hardly see as a good reason.
I didη't claim that it was a good reason. I was simply repeating what one of the game designer persons said[ about it].
Here is a Wii gameplay video that was put out several days ago:
http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/885367/star-wars-the-force-unleashed/videos/forceuwii_070208.html)
I'm watching it right now and not seeing the apprentice use the reverse grip, it looks like he is holding his lightsaber like we're used to. TBH I kind of like the reverse grip for him, makes him like "I'm too badass for a normal grip".
Cool, I bought a wii last week, so I've got 360 and wii versions a comin :) best of both worlds, Oh yeah thats master Kavar from TSL speakin to the apprentice...
I don't know what all the fuss' about.
It looks cool as hell.
I'm watching it right now and not seeing the apprentice use the reverse grip, it looks like he is holding his lightsaber like we're used to. TBH I kind of like the reverse grip for him, makes him like "I'm too badass for a normal grip".
Makes sense. If people are meant to hold the Remote as a saber grip, then the devs must assume that most people won't have training on holding the saber that way.
It's kinda like Twilight Princess. Everyone knows Link is left-handed, though on the Wii version he holds his sword on the right hand, since most people are right-handed.
Here is a Wii gameplay video that was put out several days ago:
http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/885367/star-wars-the-force-unleashed/videos/forceuwii_070208.html)
I'm watching it right now and not seeing the apprentice use the reverse grip, it looks like he is holding his lightsaber like we're used to. TBH I kind of like the reverse grip for him, makes him like "I'm too badass for a normal grip".
That is probably just for the Wii version. :giveup:
That is probably just for the Wii version. :giveup:
That's what I said. People may have some problems holding and shaking the remote the way the Apprentice does.
That's what I said. People may have some thing holding and shaking the remote the way the Apprentice does.
That would be even more absurd than holding it "normally".
It doesn't bother me, but I do wonder: What possible advantage is there to holding your lightsaber like that? I mean, yeah, you can hold your lightsaber any way you want and call it a new form, but how exactly is that helping?
Well, since he is obviously a force user he is never unarmed even without his lightsaber, as in the saber being his secondary weapon. So how he "holds" the saber is not too important then, as long as it provides easy access.
If he likes to swing the blade two-handed then the reverse grip is of no good/ill effect, one simply revert to normal two-handed grip during a swing.
Now for MY OWN OPINION, WHICH PROBABLY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEV'S MARGINAL UNDERSTANDING OF BLADE COMBAT:
Well, a two-handed grip on a (short) staff type sometimes uses a reverse grip, so that both your thumbs are pointing at each other (well not really, but you get the picture) like the tusken raiders. Since you would hold the 1/3-1/4 of the staff only (if you don't want to switch tips) it is quite usable for lightsaber styles.
Remember that lightsaber is more like a staff (that cut things) than a sword in many says. You never have to worry about the cutting edge, blade direction and such, allowing you to do many things impossable with a regular vibro sword.
Obviously there are disadvantages also for the omni direction supper cutter. The lack of a non-cutting blade means parrying can be hard, as well as super close range encounters. The super cutting ability definitely helps here in really close range, but there are enough stuff in this universe that can at least withstand the "hot blade through butter" cutting speed by slowing it down significantly (ignoring those that can actually parry or disable lightsabers) Your weapon being stuck (or even slowed) for a moment spells big trouble. Hack, even an armor that can take an extra whacking would spell trouble also. Force power helps, but at this range sharp pointy things poses almost as big a danger, if not more.
I think it lends itself to the way the apprentice character is supposed to act. He is a human weapon, and the behind lightsaber pose looks more aggressive. The traditional jedi stance makes for easier defense.
I always laugh when I think about how some people are so neurotic that they get upset because of how someone holds something.
Well in an interview with Hayden during E3. They stated he holds his lightsaber behind him because of all the intense force powers he is using. Having the blade infront of him might disrupt some of the force using supposedly and it lets you see the lightsaber. Imagine having that shiny red beam of death infront of you while channeling a lightning attack haha.
Yeah, it'd seriously disturb the sight of the screaming enemies.
It's a gimick, plain and simple
I think they way he holds his lightsaber backwards like that is actualy really cool. I heard it was to defeclt lazer fire from behind.
Well in an interview with Hayden during E3. They stated he holds his lightsaber behind him because of all the intense force powers he is using. Having the blade infront of him might disrupt some of the force using supposedly and it lets you see the lightsaber. Imagine having that shiny red beam of death infront of you while channeling a lightning attack haha.
Mumbo jumbo. It's just to make it him look cool, there's nothing else to it, like others have said.
What's wrong with looking cool? I do it all the time. :cool: