something I noticed, was that in the demo of DMM and Euphoria the guy presenting the whole thing used a computer to do it, makes me wonder if they're really considering it, I hope so

something I noticed, was that in the demo of DMM and Euphoria the guy presenting the whole thing used a computer to do it, makes me wonder if they're really considering it, I hope so

I hope so too M@RS, very much so that words can't describe.

LA owes the PC of what they've become today, because of Jedi Knight and other old games

I'm in total agreement with you Mars.

I won't even bother bringing Gaming Laptops into this because they would be even more versatile than any Cnnsole, adding in the Mobility to "Play-as-you-Go" for gamers that have school and/or other social habits like Vacations, Roadtrips, etc.

and also cost a hell of a lot more, lol

yeah, lol, all I can say is that if LA doesn't make TFU for PC I'm working on a skin that will included in a mod to re-create TFU, sadly it is only for Jedi Outcast as I don't have Jedi Academy (sigh) but I need a couple of things ironed out and it (skin) will be close to done check this thread out

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?p=2469265#post2469265)

and also cost a hell of a lot more, lol

Like I said, it's an alternative, not THE only alternative.

something I noticed, was that in the demo of DMM and Euphoria the guy presenting the whole thing used a computer to do it, makes me wonder if they're really considering it, I hope so
They kind of use computers to make it.... I don't think that really means anything.

well if it works on the PC then they basically know that the game will, that was one their reasons for not making it for PC was because they said it might be too advanced, but it's not

They kind of use computers to make it.... I don't think that really means anything.

not to mention those videos had noticeable lag >.<

not to mention those videos had noticeable lag >.<

What do you mean "kind of" use computers to make it? What else do you think is used to make the games, the consoles themselves? Cameron Suey's statement is clearly bogus, because no console has the power to bring out TFU's absolute maximum potential the way a PC could. You wouldn't need a $4,000 PC, not even a $2,000 or $1,500 PC to bring out TFUs potential. TFU on Wii, PSP, PS2 and DS are the ones that will be a "Watered Down Experience" and won't have DMM or Euphoria. These consoles and handhelds can't even hope to compete to even a Mainstream PC.

He was being sarcastic...

lol why was i quoted? XD

and you continue to spew price figures that only people who build their own rig can afford, which is a miniscule portion of computer users. face it, the consoles exist and are successful for a reason: they can compete with the pc when it comes to entertainment value. Just because they aren't a digital omnitool doesn't mean they are bad.

but i have no doubt that such a concept is beyond the scope of your imagination...

lol why was i quoted? XD

and you continue to spew price figures that only people who build their own rig can afford, which is a miniscule portion of computer users. face it, the consoles exist and are successful for a reason: they can compete with the pc when it comes to entertainment value. Just because they aren't a digital omnitool doesn't mean they are bad.

but i have no doubt that such a concept is beyond the scope of your imagination...

Can you show me where I said they were bad? And you continue to spew figures of the masses of players that exist as console gamers, completely ignoring the fact that there is also a huge number of PC Gamers (hmm, World of Warcraft comes to mind and that is only ONE game - 10-20 Million WoW players last time I checked). Yes, there is a great number of console gamers, but there is also a great number of PC gamers, regardless if you can grasp that truth or not. World of Warcraft is proof in itself, not mentioning how many other PC games have millions of users.

Beyond the scope of my imagination? Simply brilliant...

something I noticed, was that in the demo of DMM and Euphoria the guy presenting the whole thing used a computer to do it, makes me wonder if they're really considering it, I hope so

This was answered before but I can't help: What exactly do you think the devs use to make their games?

a computer, but I'm not really sure, I'm not so crazy about games that I know everything about em' but I figured they used PCs. IF they make a game on a PC, then doesn't that mean that they have a game for PC already right?

IF they make a game on a PC, then doesn't that mean that they have a game for PC already right?

Of course it doesn't. Otherwise, every game would be a pc game, why not? Unless you're suggesting Pong was made on an abbacus.

heh heh, nope but I'm just saying...

He was being sarcastic...
Correct.

[...] the fact that there is also a huge number of PC Gamers (hmm, World of Warcraft comes to mind and that is only ONE game - 10-20 Million WoW players last time I checked). Yes, there is a great number of console gamers, but there is also a great number of PC gamers, regardless if you can grasp that truth or not. World of Warcraft is proof in itself, not mentioning how many other PC games have millions of users.
WoW is an MMO, though. They probably play it because it's an MMO (a genre relatively scant on consoles) rather than because it's a PC game. I'm not too sure that WoW players would be especially likely to buy TFU.


I found some statistics on the ESA's website (http://www.theesa.com/facts/salesandgenre.asp) regarding sales of console games and PC games (in 2007):

* Game console software sales totaled $6.6 billion with 153.9 million units sold;

* Computer games sales were $910.7 million with 36.4 million units sold;
Perhaps this will help people understand LucasArts's reasoning a little better?

Also, I remember hearing that for Knights of the Old Republic something like 85% of the game's sales were on console, so LucasArts knows first hand how much better console games sell than PC. I'm not saying I like it but it does make good business sense.

Also, I remember hearing that for Knights of the Old Republic something like 85% of the game's sales were on console, so LucasArts knows first hand how much better console games sell than PC. I'm not saying I like it but it does make good business sense.

There's also a lot of games that are complete failures because many companies refuse to consider the fans. There are tens of thousands of fans that have been and still are bashing LA because they completely dismiss the PC fanbase with bogus excuses regarding the PC version (or lack, thereof). C&C3 Kane's Wrath is an example of a game that would have been great, but EA resolves their problems by focusing on and working to release an entirely new game while taking no care or consideration for the people that have bought the previous one. Kane's Wrath has been out for 3 months now, which might I add is extremely buggy and unbalanced to the point where many people have already stopped playing it and yet, still no patch has been released.

Let's also mention that many, MANY hardcore console gamers are also hardcore PC gamers.

Dude, the console base is substantially larger than the PC base. You just need to accept that. :)

Dude, the console base is substantially larger than the PC base. You just need to accept that. :)

I have accepted it, but I'm saying that the JK series, even though TFU isn't technically JK, it's based on the same concept of gameplay as JK and fans since the beginning deserve the game as well for the PC. Since Jedi Academy was a disappointment and Jedi Outcast being the much better one of the two. We've been waiting a long time for a breakthrough sequel for the PC, and believe me, I'm not the only one who thinks so.

deserve

I'm sorry what? Deserve? Since when does LucasArts owe you anything?

I bought JK2 and got 2 years of MP gaming out of it, and another year with JA. Good value for money I'd say. And TFU is in no way shape or form a follow on from the JK series.

maybe TFU would only be able to run on Vista, and with all of the problems i have heard that Vista has with running games, Lucasarts just doesent feel like dealing with Vista's crap for the time being

I'm sorry what? Deserve? Since when does LucasArts owe you anything?

I bought JK2 and got 2 years of MP gaming out of it, and another year with JA. Good value for money I'd say. And TFU is in no way shape or form a follow on from the JK series.

What, did I stutter? Fans have been waiting patiently since JK3 (JK2 was much better in my view) and your statement seems to imply that I'm the only one that wants a PC version. If that's the case, you have tens of thousands of people who would disagree with you. It would be like if Blizzard suddenly converted Starcraft 2 to consoles only and stopped producing PC versions. It would be dismissing the millions of fans/players that have been playing it since 1998 and that have given the game the popularity it has today.

Even though TFU isn't a direct link or sequel of the JK series, it is still based on the same concept of game play, not to mention there has been no word of a JK4 and the likelihood of one seems remote.

http://forums.lucasarts.com/thread.jspa?threadID=120668&tstart=0)

You know phrases like "did I stutter?" really have no place on a forum where we are reading what you are saying, not listening to you speak. Yes, I can be extremely pedantic when I want to be.

You're still missing the point completely. You seem to be under the impression that this is another JK game or somehow connected with the series. This is not a JK game. If it were then it would be another matter. I'd be right there with you complaining if it wasn't coming out on PC, but the fact is this is another game completely.

and your statement seems to imply that I'm the only one that wants a PC version.

It implys no such thing. Please don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. Of course I know there are thousands of people who are just as pissed off as you are, and I know my point of view would not be popular with them either, but I don't care.

it is still based on the same concept of game play

No it isn't. The concept of gameplay of TFU is all about kicking ass with the force. Just because you could use a lightsaber and force powers in the JK series, doesn't make it the same game.

Look, I want another JK game just as much as you do, trust me. I absolutely love the JK series, but you have to seperate this game from them in your mind. TFU is meant to appeal to the masses of young next gen console gamers. LA has made the decision that it would not be financially viable to release it on PC and you will just have to live with that.

I didn't intend on buying a 360, but when I realised I wouldn't be able to play Halo 3 unless I did, I went ahead and bought one. After playing the first two games, reading the books and investing alot of time in the Halo universe, I wasn't about to miss out on the last instalment. It was one of the best things I ever did as a gamer. I've played so many console exclusive awesome games that I would have missed out on. I really don't understand why people simply can't have both a PC and a console. Why must they be mutually exclusive? And with the news that TFU will not have MP (apart from crappy dual on the Wii), then the need for it to be on PC is really a moot point.

You know phrases like "did I stutter?" really have no place on a forum where we are reading what you are saying, not listening to you speak. Yes, I can be extremely pedantic when I want to be.

You're still missing the point completely. You seem to be under the impression that this is another JK game or somehow connected with the series. This is not a JK game. If it were then it would be another matter. I'd be right there with you complaining if it wasn't coming out on PC, but the fact is this is another game completely.



It implys no such thing. Please don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. Of course I know there are thousands of people who are just as pissed off as you are, and I know my point of view would not be popular with them either, but I don't care.



No it isn't. The concept of gameplay of TFU is all about kicking ass with the force. Just because you could use a lightsaber and force powers in the JK series, doesn't make it the same game.

Look, I want another JK game just as much as you do, trust me. I absolutely love the JK series, but you have to seperate this game from them in your mind. TFU is meant to appeal to the masses of young next gen console gamers. LA has made the decision that it would not be financially viable to release it on PC and you will just have to live with that.

I didn't intend on buying a 360, but when I realised I wouldn't be able to play Halo 3 unless I did, I went ahead and bought one. After playing the first two games, reading the books and investing alot of time in the Halo universe, I wasn't about to miss out on the last instalment. It was one of the best things I ever did as a gamer. I've played so many console exclusive awesome games that I would have missed out on. I really don't understand why people simply can't have both a PC and a console. Why must they be mutually exclusive? And with the news that TFU will not have MP (apart from crappy dual on the Wii), then the need for it to be on PC is really a moot point.

Not everybody wants to dish out tons of cash every year or 2 for the ability to play a game or two, also mentioning that the prices are becoming more and more obscene because they add in these breakthrough technologies, like Blu-ray for PS3 when it isn't needed, especially since I can get a Blu-ray drive for my PC for less. My PC is perfectly capable of running high-end games and I see no point in spending cash on a totally separate platform that will have, at most, the same potential and replay value my PC has.

As for the next JK and TFU being seperate, re-read my post and notice how I mention "JK4" and "TFU". And why it seems lI refer to TFU as the next JK installment is because LA has completely neglected the JK series. Jedi Academy was a disappointment with poor graphics, poor cutscenes, and all the little things that were worse in JA than in JO. I loved the JK series regardless because I'm a fan, but to me, Jedi Outcast was far better overall and that came out 6-7 years ago, As well from what I've read, there appears to be no plans for the next installment anytime soon.

Not everybody wants to dish out tons of cash every year or 2 for the ability to play a game or two, also mentioning that the prices are becoming more and more obscene because they add in these breakthrough technologies, like Blu-ray for PS3 when it isn't needed, especially since I can get a Blu-ray drive for my PC for less. My PC is perfectly capable of running high-end games and I see no point in spend cash on a totally separate platform that will have, at most, the same potential and replay value my PC has.

Then don't buy one, don't play TFU, just carry on bitching about how you can't play it. That makes much more sense.

Then don't buy one, don't play TFU, just carry on bitching about how you can't play it. That makes much more sense.

I will, you go ahead and continue buying a new console every year, filling the pockets of console companies because you fall for their "buy our new console to play this game ONLY on this system or you won't be able to play it" trap. That makes sense too.

I will, you go ahead and continue buying a new console every year and fill the pockets of console companies because you fall for their "buy our new console to play this game ONLY on this system or you won't be able to play it" trap. That makes sense too.
What is there to "fall for"? You either play the game or you don't. If you want to play it, then you buy the console. I'm not an avid gamer, by any stretch of the imagination, but I plan on buying a 360 for TFU alone. (I'm also buying it for the Wii, which I already own but rarely use - it's for social gatherings and my kids mostly).

Secondly, most console players already have a console, so they don't have to buy it just for the game. It's crazy, I know, but there are other games for the 360!

Yeah, most console gamers "already" have a console, many PC gamers like myself, do not. I'm not rich, a next-gen console for me, as a student, would be an investment, not a luxury. It would be easier to pay 40-60 to buy TFU for PC than it would for me to pay 300-500 for a console + the game + any accessories or other fancy gadgets that are out for new consoles these days. I live in Canada by the way, so prices in the USA in no way reflect the prices of things here. An item that may cost $200 in the USA would cost $400 or $500 here, even with the two dollars being equal.

That's fine - it's a decision you need to make for yourself (whether or not it's a worthwhile investment). I finished college not too long ago, Cyne, so I can understand your frustrations there.

However, I disagree that LA should make a PC version of TFU just to appease the PC-only gamer market, which is already small and diminishing more and more as time passes.

Well, the way I see it is, they're making TFU for virtually every console and handheld that people use these days, they should just go all the way andmake it for PC too, regardless of the financial side of things (because let's be honest, it's not like they need the money). If that was the main reason for not making a PC version, Cameron Suey should've just said so instead of making up non-sense like TFU on PC would be "Watered Down" and that a PC couldn't handle it.

I also respect your opinion about the no TFU for PC thing, we can't all see eye to eye.

I will, you go ahead and continue buying a new console every year, filling the pockets of console companies because you fall for their "buy our new console to play this game ONLY on this system or you won't be able to play it" trap. That makes sense too.

Yep, I'm Microsoft, Sony and Nintendos little bitch who has had countless hours of gaming pleasure on their consoles. Damn, I'm such a sucker.

Wow, you thought of that one all by yourself? I'm impressed! Such a brilliant, well thought out counter-argument. Kudos! The fact that you own all the consoles and that console companies targeted demographic is from youth to teen, you show all the makings of an immature teenager (including the intelligent "countless hours of gaming pleasure statement") that would do and pay anything to play a video game.

Can't think of an intelligent response to it? Such a shame.

Wow, you thought of that one all by yourself? I'm impressed! Such a brilliant, well thought out counter-argument. Kudos! The fact that you own all the consoles and that console companies targeted demographic is from youth to teen, you show all the makings of an immature teenager (including the intelligent "countless hours of gaming pleasure statement") that would do and pay anything to play a video game.

Please learn to read before you look and sound more immature and stupid than you already do. Anyway, as much as I'd like to continue this battle of wits with you, I can see that you're obviously unarmed. Good Day.

So now you've resorted to name calling. Tut tut.

Immature? I'm 36 years old. :)

Stupid? Hardly. The mere fact that I've presented my arguments clearly and concisely without having to resort to flaming shows the complete opposite don't you think? ;)

Please learn to read before you look and sound more immature and stupid than you already do. Anyway, as much as I'd like to continue this battle of wits with you, I can see that you're obviously unarmed. Good Day.

Oh come now. I was just starting to enjoy our little "battle of wits". Don't run off so soon.

36 years old with almost 8,000 posts on a video game forum? That's not immature? (excluding game/mod developers and moderators, and in your case, this doesn't seem to be one of those cases) Sorry to break it to you, age has no bearing on maturity level, there are plenty of 30-40 year olds that have the maturity level of a high-schooler as well of plenty 20 year olds that have the maturity level of someone 30-40.

My post count has a bearing on my maturity level? Oh dear, I think you've just upset rather alot of people in this forum.

Please do learn how to use the refresh function. Anyway, I know this concept is hard for you to understand, but I must now return to some more important life priorities. So to that end, you can continue to flood this thread with your useless posts. Enjoy.

Trying to cover your ass with a little edited parenthesis is quite laughable. But you've still called all the non mods with a high post count immature. I'd like to know how you've come to this wonderfull conclusion.

Please do learn how to use the refresh function. Anyway, I know this concept is hard for you to understand, but I must now return to some more important life priorities. So to that end, you can continue to flood this thread with your useless posts. Enjoy.

Another one bites the dust. Bye bye. :wavey:

I agree with Cyne, LA should respect the PC gamers, (that's how they got big in the first place) I just hope they realize that :(

was cyne beaten by an old sega genesis console when he/she/it was little?

it would explain the hatred of consoles and the possible mental retardation at the same time

just saying..it happens...and now to go harass that wee midget who likes to get pissy easily

Please do learn how to use the refresh function. Anyway, I know this concept is hard for you to understand, but I must now return to some more important life priorities. So to that end, you can continue to flood this thread with your useless posts. Enjoy.

Wow. Just wow.

Have an infraction for being a complete ass, free of charge. If you don't want another one, then learn to play nice with others.

Wow. Just wow.

Have an infraction for being a complete ass, free of charge. If you don't want another one, then learn to play nice with others.

Yeah Cyne that was way out of line you jerk!!!!

You know, originally Lucasarts wanted TFU to be a Super Wookie like game not what it has become, so I don't understand how Cyne came up with JK and TFU being similar, just because they both use lightsabers and force-powers?