Has anyone noticed that Revan's name is an anagram? When I made my male Revan's surname, Varen (Being an anagram of Revan), I noticed that it was an anagram of Raven. Was this the developer’s intentions or was it a coincidence?
I don't remember if it was here or on Obsidian's forum, but it has been noticed before that Revan could be an anagram of Raven, as in the poem "The Raven" by Edgar Allan Poe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_raven)
It has also been noted that the name bears resemblance to the word "Revenant", which in fiction usually refers to someone who has returned to life for some specific goal, usually to avenge his or her death, which would fit very well with Revan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenant_%28fiction%29)
Possibly also an allusion to the word, "revanchism". A policy directed towards recovery of territory lost to an enemy.
http://www.allwords.com/word-revanchism.html)
Revanchism finds it's roots in the French word "revanche"
1. The act of retaliating; revenge.
2. A usually political policy, as of a nation or an ethnic group, intended to regain lost territory or standing.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Revanchism)
However I do prefer the word "revenant" in regard to being the inpiration for Revan.
revenant - One who returns after death (as a ghost) or after a long absence.
Revenant is from French revenir which means "to return".
http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2002/08/09.html)
I always did believe it to be an anagram of Raven. I thought it was supposed to be a reference to Raven Software, the makers of Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy.
Actually, on the Revan homepage on Wookiepedia, it says that it is most probably symbolising the word 'Ravenous,' meaning desperate hunger.
Actually, on the Revan homepage on Wookiepedia, it says that it is most probably symbolising the word 'Ravenous,' meaning desperate hunger.
My dear Spitfire, NEVER believe in any wiki. Just keep it in your head and look for a more credible source. :)
Actually, on the Revan homepage on Wookiepedia, it says that it is most probably symbolising the word 'Ravenous,' meaning desperate hunger.
Revan wasn't really hungry. He was dead. Ravenous more applies to Nihilus, who eats the Force from anything living.
Revan wasn't really hungry. He was dead. Ravenous more applies to Nihilus, who eats the Force from anything living.
Though I agree that ravenous seems like Nihilus, I'm pretty sure that Revan isn't a undead.
Has anyone noticed that Revan's name is an anagram? When I made my male Revan's surname, Varen (Being an anagram of Revan), I noticed that it was an anagram of Raven. Was this the developer’s intentions or was it a coincidence?
I would have thought "Never", but I guess your's is better . . .
Why is Revan like a writing-desk?
Seriously, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
It has also been noted that the name bears resemblance to the word "Revenant", which in fiction usually refers to someone who has returned to life for some specific goal, usually to avenge his or her death, which would fit very well with Revan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenant_%28fiction%29I) like this explanation of it, that fits well with Revan's character.
I think Bioware would've most likely gotten the word from Revenant, because that's the side we see of him mostly in the game. However in the KotOR comic recently they referred to a mysterious character, that we can only assume is Revan, as "the Revanchist leader" - and I like that word as well.
The 'Raven' is our best bet since the Raven has always been associated with black. If anyone hasn't noticed, Revan's signature robes are black. ;)
Actually they are green... :) so there's no tellin' what Revan could mean... except I saw somewhere, but I don't know where, that Revan means Ressurrected.(SP?)
Maybe it just sounded cool to the writer. Why does it have to mean anything?
You know I gotta be with Jimbo Fett on this one. I think they didn't put any more thought into other than "heh heh....hey Beavis....this sounds cool."
It's like the names Sidious, Tyranus, Maul, Vader, etc.... They're not meant to be anagrams of anything. No further thought went into them other than "hey they sound like bad things, that's cool"
It doesn't have to mean anything, no.
Does that mean we can't speculate about it?
Ooo, okay. Good speculation material. Maybe the devs thought, "We'll tell the story of a dethroned character who will come back and claim what's rightfully their own. Let's play on the word 'revenant', shall we" and came up with the name Revan, which is also an anagram of 'Raven', hence the black robe. What's more, Murad the Fourth of the Ottoman Empire had to go back to Istanbul due to his illness after taking Revan (Armenia today) from Iranians. Iranians took advantage of his absence and reclaimed the territory, but soon Murad recovered and marched back to Revan. The Revan Campaign was concluded with utter defeat of Iranians. Reminds me of something, well... on the tip of my tongue, but I can't quite make it out. hehe
That's cool info. I'm not up on my Islamic/Middle Easter history very well.
Thanks. I just couldn't overlook it, when I first heard the name and more so after I realized who the protagonist was and how the plot would probably progress.
"The Revan Campaign"
Wow. You learn something new everyday. Props for that info dude.
It's like the names Sidious, Tyranus, Maul, Vader, etc.... They're not meant to be anagrams of anything. No further thought went into them other than "hey they sound like bad things, that's cool"
I'm pretty sure Vader was an intentional reference to the Dutch word for father "Vader".
Honestly I think that is mere coincidence. note this from starwars.wikia.comFurthermore, it is also worth noting that in the original scripts for A New Hope, the name "Darth Vader" was given to a normal Imperial general.To me that doesn't like they were planning to have him be the role he is now. I think it's just that the name sounds like invader, evader, or elevader (just kidding on that last one).
It's like the names Sidious, Tyranus, Maul, Vader, etc.... They're not meant to be anagrams of anything. No further thought went into them other than "hey they sound like bad things, that's cool"
Sidious. Insidious.
Tyranus. Tyrant.
Traya. Betrayal.
Nihilus. Nihil (latin for "nothing")
Not anagrams, no. But they clearly seem to be inspired from other source. At least I have no doubt about that. Doesn't mean it applies to all, though.
Honestly I think that is mere coincidence. note this from starwars.wikia.comTo me that doesn't like they were planning to have him be the role he is now. I think it's just that the name sounds like invader, evader, or elevader (just kidding on that last one).
George Lucas told Rolling Stone that "Vader" was a form of "father." So unless you believe he was lying (or forgot somehow), Vader was an intentional reference to father.
Well, it proves that he KNOW about the Vader-Father connection. He might have thought of the name Vader first, and found out the Father thing afterwards. It is quite common to look up names and what not you have created, just to make sure that it is not something really silly/funny/obscene in other languages.
Now, is there s Anagram for "Darth Sunshine"?
Well, it proves that he KNOW about the Vader-Father connection. He might have thought of the name Vader first, and found out the Father thing afterwards. It is quite common to look up names and what not you have created, just to make sure that it is not something really silly/funny/obscene in other languages.
So what's your theory? That he found out it meant "father" while making ANH, so he decided to make him Luke's father? Or he found out that the name just happened to fit in with his idea that he would be Luke's father?
Both seem rather unlikely.
My dear Spitfire, NEVER believe in any wiki. Just keep it in your head and look for a more credible source. :)
:lol: Wikipedia is edited by the general public after all!
TRUST WIKI SOURCES!!!!!
Okay, they're not guaranteed to be accurate, but here's the thing: They are. For the most part, they're right, and wrong things get often fixed. Please do take everything you read with a grain of salt, because it most certainly can be wrong, but don't pretend there's some intellectual superiority in disregarding anything you learn in a wiki.
Pet peeve out of the way.
All the movie darth names have very obvious linguistic etymologies. It's a combination of evil word and sounds cool.
Revan doesn't have so obvious a connection (maybe Bioware is just a little more creative than George Lucas, JUST SAYING ;)) and I haven't heard of any actual stroy of the origin, but it's likely that it was influenced by most of the things people mentioned.
Just like Vader is related to Father, invader and other things, Revan is probably related to raven, revenant, and ravenous. I can't say for sure, I wasn't there, but I'm guessing that they just went through a process of thinking of cool, relevant words, and turning them into the cool name Revan. That's gotta be how most names are made up.
TRUST WIKI SOURCES!!!!!
Okay, they're not guaranteed to be accurate, but here's the thing: They are. For the most part, they're right, and wrong things get often fixed. Please do take everything you read with a grain of salt, because it most certainly can be wrong, but don't pretend there's some intellectual superiority in disregarding anything you learn in a wiki.
Pet peeve out of the way.
I'm glad someone agrees with me. I think some people hear about the (very few) cases where some high-profile person has his or her entry vandalized, and they assume that Wikis are inherently flawed. For others, it's just another symptom of groupthink. It's trendy for "elite computer users" (geeks is too negative a term) to bash Wikis, so that's what most of them do.
Anyway, at least Wikis have a system in place for errors to be corrected. "Normal" media sources (such as newspaper, magazine, and TV) usually have to do a lengthy investigation before they realize one of their reporters was making stuff up. Also, traditional media and blogs are just as likely (if not more so) than Wikis to be biased in some form. Every writer has an agenda - the nice thing about Wikis is that multiple writers with different agendas can all contribute, making the final product more likely to be balanced.
Has anyone noticed that Revan's name is an anagram? When I made my male Revan's surname, Varen (Being an anagram of Revan), I noticed that it was an anagram of Raven. Was this the developer’s intentions or was it a coincidence?
I thought an anagram was supposed to be a word that has been jumbled around to make another word with all the letters intact; for example the word "Torchwood" is a perfect anagram of "Doctor Who". The answers on the thread suggest that Revan could possibly be a play on various different words or meanings; an anagram? Possibly not but a name with hidden meaning, i suspect most definately.
Well, What I say is, the Vader name might be a conincidence that it fits into "some" aspact of the character originally unintended to, and to be found out a bit later.
Its like "Hey Vader, now thats a cool name! let mecheck on its other meanings so it does not mean soemthing stupid in quenya or something. Hey, it means Father also, booya! We will use it" Or soemthing along those lines.
Point: Don't Dwell on HOW a name is created too much, but enjoy the cleverness of such naming.
On Wiki:
To be fair other than deliberate alternations most entry is reasonably accurate, this holds for wookiea too. So the general content is correct.
When it comes to things like ambiguous topic and conflicting sources though, there might be difference in opinions and edit-wars. This is especially true when decisions of some authority iss questioned. Or some parties wishing to silence voices of alternative opinion.
On Wiki:
To be fair other than deliberate alternations most entry is reasonably accurate, this holds for wookiea too. So the general content is correct. .
Agreed.
Wiki and Wookiee are cool places to learn stuff, but if your going to call someone on it get the source material, cause unless it's word for word, it's someones take on what they read, and people tend to bridge the info with there own words which are somtimes wrong, misleading or over simplified.
TRUST WIKI SOURCES!!!!!
Okay, they're not guaranteed to be accurate, but here's the thing: They are. For the most part, they're right, and wrong things get often fixed. Please do take everything you read with a grain of salt, because it most certainly can be wrong, but don't pretend there's some intellectual superiority in disregarding anything you learn in a wiki.
Just had to quote this bit for emphasis.
But anyway, for Revan I would have to go with it being a play on revenant. Bioware do seem to have thought about the names in such a way.
Did you know that Ahto (city on Manaan), is a god of the sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahti)
Oh yes, I used a wiki link deliberately.