http://www.panzerfaust.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=3)

I'm, uh, speechless. Seriously.

I weep for our future. :ball:

... that site makes me cry. :(

Need proof that people are stupid? Look no further my friends!

That is sickening... I can't beleive some people think like that.

seeing that inspires me to pull out my "**** you nazi scum" signature pic I used at another forum. I sat and read through about 30+ of the threads, and I gotta say, some of these people don't even know close to **** about hitler or the nazi party. Kinda funny, but very sad. :(



how about this for a new avatar? :p

That makes me sick, we should all sign up and tell them what sh**s they all are.

Wow, that's the most intersting site....

Originally posted by jon_hill987
That makes me sick, we should all sign up and tell them what sh**s they all are.

Star Wars Vs Nazis huh?

i dont think its the way foward, just leave them to wallow in their crap

Star Wars Vs Nazis huh?

It would never happen, their mods would ban anyone who posted against them.

Personally, I think that it would be no grat loss if that board's sql file..."magically dissapeared." Anyone else agree? (BTW, the SQL file is where all posts and user info is kept)

Originally posted by jon_hill987
That makes me sick, we should all sign up and tell them what sh**s they all are.

We would do very little, and the administrators would have our I.P. addresses.

So it's not a good idea, unfortunately.

Originally posted by Tyrion
We would do very little, and the administrators would have our I.P. addresses.

So it's not a good idea, unfortunately.

Thay can trace you then? Damn.

I don't think getting rid of the SQL file is a good idea, that must be ilegal.

Still, even though I have cooled down now, I still wan't to do something about it.

Yes, unfortunately since it is Minnesota-based, it would be within US jurisdiction if I "lost" their SQL file. However, it would be hard to trace...but I wont do that, as it would be a worthless and futile gesture, utterly wasted on that scum. </soapbox>

Just a thought, as it is within US jurisdiction is that website legal? I mean a peadiphillia website isn't, wouldn't it be shut down if it was reported?

Have they learned NOTHING? Intolerance and hate has gotten anybody anywhere. I suppose Ignorance and predjudice will never go ut of style.


...besides, I got that topped...

Here: (http://web.archive.org/web/*/jesusi****ler.com)

just type in "jesusis hitler.com (without the space) in the "enter web address" bar, and there it is. the website is no longer there but with the wayback machine, you can stil visit it...
if you have questions, post.
edit: the reason I couldn't post a direct link to the website is if I spell it the program will think I'm typing a dirty worn in it: see?

i say leave them, one way or another people like that get whats coming to them in the end

Originally posted by kipperthefrog
...besides, I got that topped...

Here: (http://web.archive.org/web/*/jesusi****ler.com)

I think that one was a joke:

-Jesus and Hitler have never been spotted in the same place.

-Both Jesus and Hitler enjoy pineapple on their pizza.

-Mein Kampf is the sequel to the Bible.

-Both Jesus and Hitler are fans of the Canadian "sport" curling.

Myth: Niether Jesus nor Hitler ever employed groups of goblins as assasins.
Fact: Jesus and Hitler BOTH employed groups of goblins as assasins.

Myth: Prayers have always ended with the standard amen.
Fact: Prayers were originally concluded with a Heil Jesus! Over time and through translations it was shortened to the now known 'amen'.
That can't possibly be serious.

racism and stupidity:

IT WAS A BIT OF A COCK-UP ..HE SOUNDED WHITE OVER THE PHONE

Dec 6 2004

BNP MAN'S AMAZING ADMISSION

By Daniel Thomas And Greig Box


BNP members who mistakenly hired a black DJ for their Christmas party proved yesterday they were not just racist but STUPID.

Official Bob Garner said: "There was a bit of a cock-up. The chap who booked him didn't realise. The DJ sounded white on the phone."

Labour MP Martin Salter said last night: "This just shows they'll never be a legitimate political party.

"They're just poisonous bigots who think they can tell the colour of someone's skin from the other end of a phone line."

Some members of the far right group were so outraged by the blunder they walked out of the hotel where their party was staged.

And those that stayed had to keep their bigoted beliefs secret instead of parading them in end of year speeches.

Garner, branch organiser for Croydon, South London, admitted: "Everyone was a bit alarmed when the DJ turned up.

"A lot of people weren't happy - I wasn't, really - and one or two walked out. But some younger members thought it was a bit ironic and danced away the night.

"Traditionally someone stands and says what's happened in the year or in the elections. But it was a bit difficult to say we were even the BNP. We even had to be careful what we said when we did the raffle so we didn't offend this guy.

"What are you supposed to do? Tell him to clear off? It was very, very embarrassing."

The Christmas party was held by the BNP's Central London branch at a hotel in the centre of the capital.

Guests included BNP London mayoral candidate Julian Leppert and Euro spokesman Chris Roberts. BNP leader Nick Griffin was not present. Party spokesman Dr Phill Edwards said: "What's the problem?

"No one expressed any ill-feeling towards the DJ. They didn't insult him or pick on him. Some walked out - but so what?

"It's a free country. If we want a white DJ, that's our choice. Other ethnic groups help each other, so why shouldn't we?"

Another BNP member said: "A DJ came in and, yes, he was of African origin.

"But as a party we don't have any animosity towards particular individuals. Our gripe is that the indigenous people feel our city is being overtaken by internationalism."

The BNP's constitution stipulates that all members must be of "British or closely kindred native European stock".

In this year's local and European elections the racist group won 900,000 votes.

But despite fielding a record number of candidates, the party is thought to be in disarray.

White supremacist members are dismayed at attempts by Griffin to make the BNP appear respectable.

They are also shaken by suggestions to allow members of ethnic minorities to join.

Such a move would split the BNP and possibly result in a challenge to Griffin. The issue arose last year when an Asian man threatened to sue the BNP after being barred.

The Government is considering banning BNP members from joining the civil service.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14947504&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=it-was-a-bit-of-a-cock-up---he-sounded-white-over-the-phone-name_page.html)

As someone said in this thread (but seems to be gone now) If there was a conection with a particular group of people. the website would be illegal.

A quick search found this.

http://www.panzerfaust.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1856&highlight=klux+klan)

So who should this website be reported to?

Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin
I think that one was a joke:


That can't possibly be serious.

eirther it was a sick joke or he is completly insane.

Originally posted by jon_hill987
As someone said in this thread (but seems to be gone now) If there was a conection with a particular group of people. the website would be illegal.

A quick search found this.

http://www.panzerfaust.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1856&highlight=klux+klan)

So who should this website be reported to?

That person is a member.

It'd be like me posting a link to the KKK or something here. I don't own LF or anything, so LF wouldn't be illegal.

I think it would be different if the owner posted it. But even then, that member didnt say they were a part of the KKK. So, it's not illegal. Plus, that's a popular site, some kids at school know about it when I was telling them about it today at lunch.

Originally posted by toms
racism and stupidity:



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14947504&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=it-was-a-bit-of-a-cock-up---he-sounded-white-over-the-phone-name_page.html)

Wow. Racism and stupidity in a nice, neat package. Does BNP stand for British National Party? Reminds me of Buchanan's party over here in the U.S. in some ways.

edit - Nevermind, answer found.

^^ the best nazies over there are those with names like Aryan_Jihad

I have an urge to gas these guys. Seriously.

Sometimes, I just can't believe people like that still exist. They are a shame to humanity.

I've been reading a bit and I'm very worried by people like this. Some of them have children. Those kids will just keep on the legacy of bigotry.

and i suspect those kids will be getting homeschooled in all the "CORRECT" ways to think and behave.... sigh...

This is hardly a debate.

Most everyone agrees that the panzerfruast guys are nothing but ignorant, intolorent, hateful, trashy scum. They are a discrace to the human race.

They probably were tuaght by previous generations from the days of hanging blacks and gassing jews. They will next pass on thier intolerent predudice ways on from generation to generation.

Even back in the days of cavemen, they were predjudice of other clans.

what mankind needs is a common enemy to share rather than each other.

Originally posted by kipperthefrog
This is hardly a debate.

Couldn't agree more. The debate should be if we can/should do something about it/them.

I can.

Let people believe waht they want.

It's not our business telling them who they "HAVE" to like and tolerate. Let them have their own opinions.

you all fail. This is a place for serious discussion AND debate.

That said, like I've said before. Whatever, they'll get what's coming to them. Everyone gets what they've given.

what they believe might be one thing, what they do towards others another.

i remember sitting in a tram on december 25 in 1999 with a gun in front of my face.

well, i don't really care if it were nazis or little schoolgirls, but they were nazis as a matter of fact, and i've experience such things not only once. the behaviour in which their "beliefs" result is cleary not tolerable. not one single bit.

violence in general is not tolerable.

Originally posted by Acrylic
I can.

Let people believe waht they want.

It's not our business telling them who they "HAVE" to like and tolerate. Let them have their own opinions.

Wow. I never thought I'd see the day where I'd agree with Acrylic. While I don't agree with the philosophy of any racist orginization, it's their belief. Nothing we say here, or there in their forum will change their minds. Making a thread about this sort of thing, and whining about it is just that. Fruitless. And whining.

That said, can you make wine without fruit?

Originally posted by CapNColostomy
That said, can you make wine without fruit? I was under the impression grapes wer still considered a fruit.

You can make rice-wine without fruit.

But is Sake/Rice-wine technically a wine? Let's review the evidence...

Sake is brewed in a manner consistent with beers, in that it is made from grain, and has yeasts added to convert starches to sugars.

But it is brewed in a manner consistent with modern white-wine production in other respects, and the alcohol content is typically comparable with wines at 16% rather than beers which hover around 4%.

So is Sake a wine? Well the dictionary definition reads:

A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various kinds of grapes, usually containing from 10 to 15 percent alcohol by volume.

A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various other fruits or plants.

So you could call Sake a wine, yes.

Is it a beer?

A fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt and flavored with hops.

A fermented beverage brewed by traditional methods that is then dealcoholized so that the finished product contains no more than 0.5 percent alcohol.

A carbonated beverage produced by a method in which the fermentation process is either circumvented or altered, resulting in a finished product having an alcohol content of no more than 0.01 percent.

A beverage made from extracts of roots and plants: birch beer.


This definition is more concrete but still leaves room for Sake.

So upon reflection I would say that while Sake has more in common with a wine than it has in common with a beer, it is really NEITHER.

Originally posted by jon_hill987
Couldn't agree more. The debate should be if we can/should do something about it/them.

if there is somthing that should be done, what CAN we do about them?

Originally posted by Acrylic
I can.

Let people believe waht they want.

It's not our business telling them who they "HAVE" to like and tolerate. Let them have their own opinions.

I agree. I'm not a racist in any whay, but what they believe in a belief system. They have the freedom and right to speak their minds like this. Of course what they think will offend people, but let's not forget there are many different belief systems (ways of living, religions, etc) that offend other people also.

There are legions of stupid people and kooks all over the internet. Just like there are stupid and nutty people in the world, there are plenty of them around here too.

Remember the internet is typically the playground of the privileged (relatively), those who live in first world nations or who are part of the upper classes elsewhere, as it requires a computer and online access.

Of course in some countries internet cafes are starting to make this more equal but it still costs money.

So in a sense, one could say that those who have the leisure time & money to waste, can tell their "sad stories" a bit easier. ; )

Maybe, or maybe I'm just rambling on incoherently. Maybe to someone else out there I'm the crazy one. Who knows!


But all this "attack their site they deserve it stuff" whether you agree or not, I think is wrong-headed. If you believe in free speech, then you allow people like this, dumb as they are, to have their stupid opinions. As long as they aren't hurting anyone of course.

Hacking people's websites isn't exactly a legal thing to do, and it doesn't determine who's right.

Let's not turn this into a Something Awful type of site where we post a website link and then go "hey, wouldn't it be great if somebody attacked them and took their site down.... wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more!"

I suggest combating this kind of stupidity with knowledge & education. We can cry all day about problems like these, but anger alone won't solve them.

So yes, denounce them, debate them if you feel like it, but death threats and/or hacking and other manuvers will not get supported here (deserving as the target may be).

My 2 cents...