I bought the original Jedi Outcast and really enjoyed it!! The only thing that ruined it for me was that during multiplayer matches with bots the sabre duels were dumbed down. What I mean is that there was no clash of sabres and a duel to see who could overpower the other. The single player sabre duels were awesome!! My question is, has that changed with this game at all? Are there real sabre duels in multi play now with the sabres locking together and players leaning trying to edge out the other? I havent installed Academy yet , just asking. I'll be very angry if its still the same.:mad:

It's very close to "the same" as JK2 1.04 (though with minor differences that will bug some people, delighting others; and I don't mean just the obvious ones like the addition of katas, roll stabs, twirls, dual/saberstaff and the removal of flip kicks).

Saber locks are very rare, it's nothing like SP (just like Jedi Outcast's MP).

However, you can setup a server that is Duel, and you can increase the saber locking frequency with cvars if you wish, so if you want saber locks, you can get your saber locks (this was also true of Jedi Outcast).

The default settings aren't very conducive to clashing sabers and saber locks, but with cvars you can do it.

saberlockfrequency (I don't recall the exact spelling) and d_saberspstyledamage 2 (sabers do idle damage and "clash" when close to each other) are good ones to look up and implement! (note: you do NOT need mods or cheats to get these to work, you just have to put them in your server.cfg file as the admin!)

You want these lines in your jampconfig.cfg file or jampserver.cfg file:

seta g_saberLocking "1"
seta g_saberLockFactor "20"

That gives you the maximum amount of saber-locking, but you have to be in Duel (g_gametype 3) mode, or maybe Power Duel mode, I don't know, I haven't played it.

You will have saberlocks in Duel mode, but if you use enhanced bots they will usually win (especially if you are dueling a bot that has dual sabers: they will hold the lock with one saber, then toss the other one so it circles around you and hits you in the back. I hate that move).

If you want good duels, spawn NPCs instead. Either use /devmap <mapname> to start the map with cheats, or use a mod that allows you to spawn NPCs without cheats. Then you can spawn the single-player opponents like Tavion, Alora, Reborn Master, etc. to duel against.

Don't limit yourself to the standard duel maps either, most of the best 3rd-party maps are duel maps. Try these (especially Sunset on Coruscant):

Fearis Incident

http://www.lucasfiles.com/?s=&action=file&id=531)


Orbital Extreme by GothiX

http://www.pcgamemods.com/3267)

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=21140)


Sunset on Coruscant by rgoer

http://www.pcgamemods.com/5013)

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=25574)


Duel Dustball by Gonk

http://www.pcgamemods.com/4212)

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=23833)


ffa_sarlacc1 by livingdeadjedi

http://www.pcgamemods.com/2958)



Crystal Palace by Keiran

http://www.pcgamemods.com/5018/)

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=26203)


Restless Endeavor by Blood Asp

http://www.pcgamemods.com/3154)



Gulf of Souls by wedge2211

http://www.pcgamemods.com/5022)

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=26236)


The Deathstar: Dockingbay 3207

http://www.lucasfiles.com/?s=&action=file&id=515)


Shankian Dreams by Eagle_e7

http://www.pcgamemods.com/3084)


Imperial Indulgence by Thrawn42689

http://www.pcgamemods.com/5012)


phZ’s Hoth Summit by phZ

http://www.pcgamemods.com/5011/)

I dont play on servers, i have 56k dial up. anyway how do you increase the chances of saber locks in mp and sp. is here cheats, a mod? thanks

Originally posted by sora
I dont play on servers, i have 56k dial up. anyway how do you increase the chances of saber locks in mp and sp. is here cheats, a mod? thanks

You can download the Realistic Effects Mod

http://www.lucasfiles.com/index.php?s=&action=file&id=608&PHPSESSID=6181e2a36aa6c433009663560dabfddc)

At the main menu you can choose whether to make locks happen after sometime, never have locks, or VERY often. I now i get more locks most of the time. but I think its only for single player.

Originally posted by |GG|Crow_Nest
You can download the Realistic Effects Mod

http://www.lucasfiles.com/index.php?s=&action=file&id=608&PHPSESSID=6181e2a36aa6c433009663560dabfddc)

Uh... WTF does that mod have to do with the chances of lightsaber locks?! :confused:

That mod does nothing except cosmetic changes in gun, Force, and explosion effects. It does nothing for lightsabers.

nah ive tryed that mod out a couple days ago, didnt like it. TK do you know of any cheats, or other mods i could use to increase the randomness? thanks

Originally posted by TK-8252
Uh... WTF does that mod have to do with the chances of lightsaber locks?! :confused:

That mod does nothing except cosmetic changes in gun, Force, and explosion effects. It does nothing for lightsabers.

Didnt you read what i said? You go to the main menu and go "setup" go advance and you'll see a bunch of crap. Turn the Saberlock thing to "often"

yeah but also that mods for sp, like you said GG crow_nest. i manly whant it for mp so its not so swing and hope you hit . in the saber lock you have to depead on your strenght and how many times you can click your mouse( stupidest thing ever) to dominate your opponate and defeat him/her/it/thing.

Originally posted by sora
yeah but also that mods for sp, like you said GG crow_nest. i manly whant it for mp so its not so swing and hope you hit . in the saber lock you have to depead on your strenght and how many times you can click your mouse( stupidest thing ever) to dominate your opponate and defeat him/her/it/thing.

I wasnt talking about how to win a saber lock, and i already know that since jk2. Well you said you wanted something to make locks more often for both MP and SP, so there you go.

Crow Nest, that mod does nothing with the chances of lightsaber locking. Where did you get the idea that it does?

I'm sure that there is a cheat or CVar to increase the randomness, but I don't think there are any mods. There's the CVars that Kurgan and Amidala suggested for multiplayer, but I don't know of any single player ones.

Yea, the realistic effects mod doesnt do anything as far as sabrelocks, theres nothing in setup that changes things. I'll look again.

Originally posted by TK-8252
I'm sure that there is a cheat or CVar to increase the randomness, but I don't think there are any mods. There's the CVars that Kurgan and Amidala suggested for multiplayer, but I don't know of any single player ones.

Hey TK, whats a CVar?

A CVar is a... well, its hard to explain... it's just a server setting, a variable. CVars often start with "g_" or "cg_".

well ive seached everywhere for a cheat for the saberlocks to up the randomness. i couldnt find anything for mp. and arnt CVars only for servers?

LOL, I'm not a dueler, but just to clarify stuff up for GG Crow_Nest, I didn't do anything with sabers. I just don't want to mess with them, as I think they are made nicely. The clashing and locking aren't my concern. I doubt they ever will be.

I'm surprised anyone even brought up my mod. Just to continue this out of topic post, do you think I should create a better version (version 2) of the Realistic Effects Mod?

:fett:

Technically, when you play a single player game, you're hosting a "server." The "disconnect" command works in single player too. So there are CVars in single player. Heck, "helpusobi 1" is a CVar. It's either a 0 (no cheats) or 1 (cheats enabled).

For a full list of CVars, type "cvarlist" in your console.

You can also see a full list of commands. Type "cmdlist" to see them.

sure, fix the crossbow. when it fires it starts out green then turns to red, fix that, and bigger explosions!. and do you know of a way to up the randomness of saberlocks in mp, cheat or something? one more thing. did you get my pm?

Yeah, I got your PM and I sent one back.

:fett:

Sora, just go to your start menu on the desktop, find Lucasarts in your list, right click on that and press Explore. THen go to the list on the right and find Program Files, click that. Find the Lucas Arts folder and click there. Find the base folder and click there. You;ll see config files, pk3 files etc, etc. Look for jampconfig and theres another one but I forgot what its called, youll see it. Click on that, and it will say windows cant open file. You just go ahead and search manually and it will bring up the CVARS list. Now look for saberlockfactor and change it to 20. Theres another config file in a different list that has saberlockrandomness, and that one is set to 2. I havent changed that one yet but I did do saberlockfactor to 20 and it didnt seem to do much actually. I think I'm going to mess with the randomness cvar and see what that does, or maybe up the saberfactor to 30 and it might work better.

I dont know why, but no one has mentioned the saberlockrandomness cvar. I'm wondering if I'm the only person whos noticed it. I see alot of talk about saberlock factor but not randomness. I'm going to experiment with it as it seems that maybe that will change the saberlocks more than factor maybe. I dont know, but it seems that upping the randomness of saberlocks might work better.

I just upped the saberlockrandomness to 10 from 2 and it didnt seem to do anything. I'll do something different. I'm also going to try and up saberlockfactor to 30 and see what it does.

You know that if you increase the locking factor etc. on your computer, it doesn't affect any MP server you connect to. So, if the lock factor is 20 on the server putting yours high will have an effect, but if not, then even if yours is high, it's not going to do anything.

Also FYI, g_ commands are server variables, that change actual gameplay. cg_ commands are client side, and they change how things look, not what they do.

Originally posted by Faceless16
. Now look for saberlockfactor and change it to 20. Theres another config file in a different list that has saberlockrandomness, and that one is set to 2. I havent changed that one yet but I did do saberlockfactor to 20 and it didnt seem to do much actually. I think I'm going to mess with the randomness cvar and see what that does, or maybe up the saberfactor to 30 and it might work better.

I found the saberlockfactor and changed it to 30. now i also found saberlocking, should i change that to? thanks for trying this out actully.

Also, saber locking was largely taken out of MP duels, because there was so many people using saber break scripts, that it just got stupid being in a lock for about 2 secs, then being killed.

Its ok in SP, and on your own servers, but I would not count on it in other MP servers.