I don't know if this has been posted before but I'm new so please forgive me. I'm just wondering if there is a level editor for the game TPM available somewhere. I just the game and create my own Star Wars level would be incredible. I think there is a programmer from Big Ape so maybe you could answer me. Thank you http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

To my knowledge, there is no editor available to the public. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/frown.gif) But if you wanna make your own levels, might I suggest you get Jedi Knight? http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif)

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[This message has been edited by Boba Rhett (edited March 04, 2001).]

I already have Jedi Knight. I also have Spork. But I'm getting tired of the graphics. It's good but I've played so much now. Maybe if you could put the textures from TPM in JK.

Haven't you heard about The discovery of 16 bit mats in Jedi Knight?

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I never heard of that but it would be INCREDIBLY COOL! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif) Uhhh...Zanzibar? Is it possible?

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The discovery of the 16 bits mats? Is it real or you are laughing at us? I just want something that makes TPM longer.

If I could only make my own TPM levels...

Take a chill pill guys. I said Jedi Knight and besides, TPM already uses 16 bit *mats doesn't it?


*or whatever the heck they are.

No, there is no level editor or other mods for TPM. Zanzibar has a few new skins ( Mace Windu ), but he can't release them because...well...LEC doesn't allow him to. Shame on LEC!

God, don't I wish...

In truth, the tool that we built TPM with is still lurking around here - we even made Simpsons Wrestling with basically the same tool with a few tweaks. However, LEC and Big Ape jointly own the tool, so we can't release it to the public.

Even if we DID release it, it is INSANELY complicated. There seriously isn't even a manual for it. There are many many MANY little things that were basically hacked in, and I don't think there's any one person here that knows everything about the tool.

Short answer? Sorry, but no, the level editor for TPM won't happen.

You can't even give us some skins? Or at least tell us what to do to play as Darth Maul or some other character from the game? (If it's possible, of course)

I'd like to be able to play as the Coruscant Mercenary guy!!! he's awesome!!!! c'mon zanzibar, we won't tell lec about it!!!!!!

LEC has the exclusive rights to any Star Wars critters that are distributed, and because of that, Big Ape can't distribute any models/levels directly; they would have to go thru Lucasarts. Their QA dept has to approve anything that is released thru LEC, and that adds up to quite a bit of time and effort that LEC doesn't want to spend.

The only 'completed' skin I have is of Mace Windu, and quite simply, he doesn't even look that good. I built him in an afternoon after TPM PC went gold, for our hacked-together multiplayer version.

oh man!!! multiplayer?!?!?! hmm...maybe after episode gets released on video, lec will allow the stuff to be released. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif)

WHAT!? You mean that you guys at Big Ape are playing TPM in multiplayer? That's not fair! I wanna play!!!!!!(crying)

HOLY BANTHA POODOO MULTIPLAYER?!?!

Zanzibar, you've just awaken something in all TPM now!!!

It would be so kewl to have an editor for TPM. And multiplayer... That would be kewl!

Or being Darth Maul...

*sighs, sits beside Bakudo and cries also*

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I have an idea. Just tell us what tools (software) we need to make a level editor and a multiplayer mod for TPM. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

*hopes that Zanzibar invites us at Big Ape to play a little multiplayer game of TPM*

GAH! I knew I shoulda kept my mouth shut about that one...

The multiplayer version was a hack; we did it at a time when we were hoping that LEC would use the same engine for a sequel game featuring Obi-Wan. But, TPM's sales weren't as good as they had hoped (not a BAD seller, mind you, but basically ALL of the Ep1 licenses across the board, meaning toys, fast food sales etc. were substantially below expectations), and personally I think that Big Ape got most of the blame for it.
But I digress...

Anyways, we started slapping together a multiplayer version just to play around with. Some of our team was down at LEC working on the PSX version, and the rest of us had little to do, so our programming guys took a crack at it. It was buggy, it crashed often, the lightsabers didn't work for reflecting shots etc, but it was fun. The "naughty naughty" view cheat was MANDATORY. One of our level guys did a demo level with lots of nooks and crannies. I'll see if I can dig up an old screenshot of the level.

One of the most fun things was there was this pit in one corner that you could jump into if things got hairy - there was water down below. I got a hold of the only Thermal Detonator in the level, and just then, saw our programmer Denzil jump into the pit...you can guess what I tossed in there after him. He was not amused http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif)

As for what tools you'd need for level building, it's solely built by the Big Ape/LEC tool, which goes by the name of Obi or Zanzibar, depending on who you ask http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif)

For the lack of other solutions...ZANZIBAR GO YELL AT BIG APE AND LEC AND TELL THEM TO GIVE US THE EDITOR THINGY NOW!!

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What Redwing said. Just give us the demo. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasssssse. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

Jeeez, give it up guys. He CAN'T do it and even if he did there would only be like 12 people in the world who knew how to use it the thing. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/rolleyes.gif) Are you guys even reading his posts? http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/tongue.gif)

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We do know he can't. It's just that we want it so much. I always wanna play!

Yeah Rhett I understand he can't, I just like whinning... sue me http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif)

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*calls lawyer*

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*calls...my mother*

*calls pizza place*... What? I'm hungry!

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LOL! Superbuen! Ah,it would be so cool to have the editor. The only level editors I have now are the Tomb Raider editor and the Worldcraft editor (Half-Life). But I want to make a Star Wars level!

P.S. I have Jedi Knight but I don't feel like making levels for it, I'm getting tired of it. I've played so much.

WorldCraft, ay? I just got Half life a few days ago, do you know were I could find some very newbie friendly tutorials on using it? BTW, I think you should at least try making jk levels out and see if you like it. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

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The level editor for Half-Life is included with the game. I think it's in the directory in which you've installed it. Or on the CD. And there is a tutorial included with it. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

I found JED waayyyyyy too complicated for me... I tried making a level, but well it was too complicated and sooooo long... I just want a simple editor where bing bang I have a level...

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Would you like me to show you how to use it? http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

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Well I'm at work now...

I found the tutorials just too long... I want to make a kewl simple level where I can shoot some stuff ya know... I dunno...

Sure help me Rhett http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

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Most newbies have problems saving so that's what i'm going to tell you how to do.First i'll tell you the buttons you need to know how to use. "The FOOL proof way. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif)

NOTE: MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A NEW FOLDER TO SAVE YOU THINGS TO. Might as well name it "my level"

1. Start up jed. There should be a box on the screen. That is you room.

2. If you press F12 it will give you a 3d preview of the room. You can move around in it with the arrows and page up/down.

3. When your in the 3d preview you can "mat" the walls by double clicking them.

4. Go ahead and color the walls now.

5. Now go to file>save and save the level into the folder you made.

6. then go to Tools>Episode editor. In there give the level an Episode name a level name and some text when the level loads.

7. NEXT IS VERY IMPORTANT, while still in the episode editor hit UPDATE then SAVE.

8. Then go to file and hit the save button in there just to be safe.

9. Then in hit File>Save JKL.

10. When the jkl is done saving, hit, File>gob project.

11. It will promt you to then save the level. Save it to Your Episode folder in your Jedi Knight folder.

12. Fire up Jedi Knight and go to single player levels and select your level and play it.

*MORE TUTORIALS TO COME*

P.S. Force long post. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif)

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[This message has been edited by Boba Rhett (edited March 09, 2001).]

Questions, comments?

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Thanks M. Teacher. Will there be an exam this week? http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

YES. Our next lesson will be on commonly used commands in JED. It's a MUST read. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif) I think I will move this over to the JediKnight Board though.

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Dude this is great, I'm doing it right now!

Can't wait for Lesson II http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

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Kewl I just made my first box... I mean level lol http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

Can't wait for more now!

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rhett, i suggest that you show him how to use the Goal! plugin, that way he can make objectives, like when you kill a boss/enemy you can make the person say something, and if you kill the 'boss' or primary enemy, you'll beat the game. oops, i just leaked out some more info.

We'll do that in about lesson 3 or 4. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif)
The Next lesson will be on the commands used to edit. Like the ones you'll need to expand your level and make it not as boxy as well as some commands to make editing easier. The tutorial after that will probably be on using cogs in your level, i'm not sure yet. Maybe I should also make a tutorial on using custom things in your level and how to make those things. And maybe a tutorial on how mods are made.
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[This message has been edited by Boba Rhett (edited March 09, 2001).]

Well hurry up and do it then dude http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

I wanna know how to make more rooms! I wanna know how to put some enemies, I wanna know, I wanna I wanna I wanna aaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhh...

Ok I'm done http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif)

I can't wait... I think I've been bit by the Editing bug!!! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/biggrin.gif)

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OK. I just got back from Kansas City. Keep your eyes peeled!! New tutorial coming tonight!!

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<center><h3>Now class, todays lesson will be on commonly used commands in JED.</h3></center>


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<td width="23%">Key</td>
<td width="35%">What it does</td>

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<td class="bold">R</td>
<td> You use this by holding down R and moving your mouse across the screen. It will allow you to turn you level to view it and to put it in a position to cleave.</td>

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<td class="bold">C</td>
<td> Puts you into cleaving mode. Use it by holding down your mouse button adn dragging were you want the cut made.to your level.</td>

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<td class="bold"> NOTE: TO CLEAVE YOUR LEVEL AFTER YOU ROTATED IT YOU MUST HIT COMMANDS>GRID_TO_VIEW.</td>

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<td class="bold">F10</td>
<td> This will bring up the consistancy checker. You should get in the habbit of checking this every time you make a change to your level.</td>

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<td class="bold">- and +</td>
<td> Zoom in and out on the grid.</td>

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<td class="bold">Insert</td>
<td>Will insert one of whatever you have selected, wether it be a sector or a thing.</td>

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<td class="bold">Delete</td>
<td>Will delete whatever you have selected.</td>

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<td class="bold">X</td>
<td>This will extrude the surface you have selected. "i.e." It will create a new sector hooked on to the original one.</td>

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<td class="bold"> NOTE: This can be done in 3d preview too.</td>

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<td class="bold">< and ></td>
<td>These will scroll the texture on the wall you have selected, in 3d preview, up or down.</td>

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<td class="bold">Shift+< or ></td>
<td>These will scroll the texture on the wall you have selected, in 3d preview, left or right.</td>

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<td class="bold">Shift+< or ></td>
<td>These will rotate the surface you have selected in 3d preview.</td>

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<td class="bold">Shift+1</td>
<td>This will snap the grid to the top position. This is a very useful key.</td>

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<td class="bold">Shift+2</td>
<td>This will snap the grid to the side view.</td>

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<td class="bold">Shift+3</td>
<td>This will snap the grid to another side view</td>

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<td class="bold">Shift+4</td>
<td>This will snap the grid to the bottom view.</td>

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<td class="bold">Shift+mouse drag.</td>
<td>Do this when a thing or sector is selected to drag it around the level. VERY IMPORTANT!</td>

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<td class="bold">J</td>
<td>If you have to sectors placed beside each other and want to join them press this and it will do it for you. Sectors must be overlapping!</td>

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<td class="bold">Shift+1</td>
<td>This will snap the grid to the top position. This is a very useful key.</td>

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<td class="bold">View>View_things_as_wireframe</td>
<td>Ummm.. lets you view things as wireframes.</td>

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<td class="bold">N and P</td>
<td>Selects previous or next thing.</td>

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<td class="bold">F9</td>
<td>Will bring up the tools menu. In the tools menu you can resize, rotate, and manipulte things..</td>

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<td class="bold">F8</td>
<td>Will bring up the Episode Editor.</td>

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<td class="bold">S</td>
<td>Will put you in Sector mode.</td>

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<td class="bold">F</td>
<td>Will put you in Surface mode.</td>

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<td class="bold">T</td>
<td>Will put you in Thing mode.</td>

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<td class="bold">L</td>
<td>Will put you in Light mode.</td>

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<td class="bold">In the next tutorial</td>
<td>In the next lesson we will go over some more commands and also how to create glass and other things.</td>


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[This message has been edited by Boba Rhett (edited March 11, 2001).]

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[This message has been edited by Boba Rhett (edited March 11, 2001).]

Hmmmm... interesting....

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Thanks Boba Rhett.

I have been messing with the tutorials from massissi and I have been going from angrily frustrated to hopefully frustrated on level editing.

I can tell this is going to take me a while to get the hang of but your notes here help out a lot!

So far I have created 2 rooms made a hallway and adjoined them and textured the walls. I started on making a door but got tired. I will try again tonight.

Thanks. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif) Ya, some of massassis tutorials are pretty screwed up,out of date and frankly, many of them don't make much sense. It took me along time to get lots of my questions answered and now that I know them, i'm trying to make it easier for beginning level makers.

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Agreed. If I learn more about Jed myslef I am thinking about writing a 'Jed for Dummies' article and put it on my site.

lol once you learn how to mess with .ai files, you'll have alot of fun. I know how to do basically everything except cogging, which i'm not even going to try to learn, 'cause i'd get headaches.

But but but.... cog are the best part! *hangs head and walks out of post*

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