I read in another thread that there were some people who think that pornography isn't evil...I would like to discuss why pornography takes away ALL respect for women and men. How it leads to a pathetic life style. And how it effects the brain.

Ave Maria,

Andy

So.... discuss. :rolleyes:You're supposed to put up an argument why it's evil. I don't think it's evil because it doesn't injure or kill anyone. What is wrong with it? It's just watching a natural thing.

Andy ,yu Catholic ,i am ,and im dang proud of it .welcome to the forum ,and by the way ,great thread ,porn is intrinsiccally evil.

andy whats your phatmass screename ,mine is the same as it is here.

Originally posted by reelguy227
porn is intrinsiccally evil.
What the hell does 'intrinsiccally' mean?

Intrinsic knowledge is when you have knowledge by a personal experience, or so my english teacher says if that helps

Revlt Coranier, you say it isn't evil because it doesn't injure or kill someone...That isn't a very good arguement, here is why.

Well if everything that didn't injure or kill someone wasn't evil then stealing must not be evil, then greed must not be evil, then lying must not be evil. The list can go on and on. And when you said that

It's just watching a natural thing.

A natural thing that is solely for the purpose of reproduction, procreation. Not for entertainment. Sex is beautiful because it produces life. It produces daughters, sons, cousins, brothers, sisters, friends.

Pornography gradually cripples a man's ability to love. It is impossible to love a fantasy, but living in a world of fantasy allows a guy to escape from reality and evade the demands of authentic love. In a way, the fact that pornography allows men to indulge their lust without having to worry about pregnancy or STDs is part of the problem. It encourages him to live in a world in which sexuality offers only pleasure without meaning or consequences, in which no one gets pregnant, no one catches a disease, no one shows signs of guilt, fear, remorse, embarrassment, or distrust. No one suffers from the sexual activities of others and the men, at least, are always carefree, unrestrained. . . . The priority of lovingly protecting one's partner is of little concern in pornography because no harm seems possible...Pornography distorts love...The viewer is searching for love, but all they are getting is an obsession and a false view of love. Pornography drives a man/woman to value a woman only for what she gives him rather than for the person she is. Thus causing the viewer to lose respect for the person. They view the opposite sex as an object rather than a person. Love requires sacrifice...(For all the Christians look at Christ's love for you; for atheist's look at your friends love for you.)

Ave Maria,

Andy

couldnt have said it any better andy .yu go man !!!!!:cool:

In a way, the fact that pornography allows men to indulge their lust without having to worry about pregnancy or STDs is part of the problem. It encourages him to live in a world in which sexuality offers only pleasure without meaning or consequences, in which no one gets pregnant, no one catches a disease, no one shows signs of guilt, fear, remorse, embarrassment, or distrust. No one suffers from the sexual activities of others and the men, at least, are always carefree, unrestrained. . . . The priority of lovingly protecting one's partner is of little concern in pornography because no harm seems possible
Those are all good things about porn.

And you are right about just because it doesn't injure or kill it doesn't mean it's not evil. I should have explained. Those are SOME of the reasons it's not evil. My quote of you above lists a lot of great things about porn.

Those are all good things about porn.

Great Things???? So it is now great to distort Love. It is a great thing to have an fake illusion of love. It is great to fool yourself in thinking that is satisfying? It is great to view women as objects ? I sure hope you aren't married, and if you aren't I sure hope that when/if you do get married your wife knows you view her as an object of self-pleasure. She is nothing more than fullfilling your pictures you see. You idea of love becomes a woman's body...rather than a woman's soul.

Ave Maria,

Andy

and ur only 14, revlt coranier? does ur momma know you look at porn?

well fiat, your points are really good, but i think you're describing what happens to people who are addicted to porn. i look at porn accasionally (in my lower times i admit) but i dont regard women as objects, or treat them that way. but porn does degrade women and does push that message, so it becomes a problem of people not being able to distinguish between reality and fantasy, and if that's the case, anything could be potentially dangerous

-Z

Obarljamar...you are partially right. But the amount of times you view it doesn't chage what it is. I do agree that it may change the way you feel about it or the way you view it, but it does not change what it is. It is like if you are addicted to eating cookies. (Follow me here) When you are addicted to eating cookies you become very fat. However, if you occasionally eat cookies you still become fat, but at a slower rate and to a lesser degree. You may not think you are getting fat, but it add up and you suddenly find yourself 5 lbs. overweight...then 10 lbs. overweight...then you find yourself addicted to pornography...I mean cookies.

I agree anything could be potientialy dangerous, it's not the danger that is evil. It is what it is...what it does...and where it leads that is evil.

Ave Maria,

Andy

Fantasy kills Reality...Lust kills Love.

Ave Maria,

Andy

It encourages him to live in a world in which sexuality offers only pleasure without meaning or consequences, in which no one gets pregnant, no one catches a disease, no one shows signs of guilt, fear, remorse, embarrassment, or distrust.
:eyeraise: So....jerking off in general is evil too? Even if you're not looking at porn? And having sex with a condom is evil because you're not going to have a kid or contract diseases from it?

Sex is only okay if you might have a baby or get an illness and DIE? That is BIZARRE :indif:

and ur only 14, revlt coranier? does ur momma know you look at porn?
Oh noes! He looks at porn and is only 14, his mother is angerful!


Honestly, I have more respect for my girlfriend than almost any man I've ever met, and I look at porn all the time. It doesn't devalue women at all in my idea, it's just pictures of people having sex that's fun to watch.


ANd your analogy about cookies is completely wrong Voluntas. It's a magical thing called metabolism. If you only eat a few cookies every now and then your body will burn off the calories during your everyday activities, especially if you exercise. You'll only end up obese if you eat a LOT of cookies every day.

Originally posted by Fiat_Voluntas_T
Pornography drives a man/woman to value a woman only for what she gives him rather than for the person she is. Thus causing the viewer to lose respect for the person. They view the opposite sex as an object rather than a person. baseless generalizations. I look at porn a lot, I have a loving, lasting relationship with my gf, I don't see her as a sex object, I see her as someone I can spend the rest of my life with talking to, holding, and sharing my problems and life with, and I can see myself listening to her problems, and having a family with her. I am willing to comprimise my dreams for her. Porn has never effected my ability to have sex, the only thing that has ever really done that was a 7 shot of vodka.


and I don't get some falsified love when I look at porn, I get an erection and I masturbate to release my sexual tension.

ET Warrior...
You sure do have a sense of humor. What is the main purpose of sex...what is the outcome...not the side effects. It is procreation incase you aren't sure. (And if you want to talk about why masterbation and contraceptives are wrong we can, but not in this topic...let's stick to why pornography is evil.)
Let me get this straight ETwarrior...you think you respect you girlfriend more than anyone you know...(I wasn't just talking about your girlfriend in my earlier post, I was talking about women in general) So you say you respect all women...You respect them by looking at them naked...By watching them have sex...So this is respect?
Let's say your mom was in those picture's. Let's say your sister was in those pictures. Let's say in a few years your daughter was in those pictures. Some guy is viewing them, probably masterbating over your mom/daughter/sister...but then again...It doesn't devalue women at all in my idea, it's just pictures of people having sex that's fun to watch.

With Charity,

Andy

I believe porn is what you make of it. Like anything in life. If you really believe every girl acts like a porn star, you are mistaken. Though there are the occasional that want to be a porn star. But as long as you don't think of them as objects than they never will become them. I've watched porn for years, and not once have I ever though of women as a tool to just use.

Originally posted by Fiat_Voluntas_T
Let's say your mom was in those picture's. Let's say your sister was in those pictures. Let's say in a few years your daughter was in those pictures. Some guy is viewing them, probably masterbating over your mom/daughter/sister...but then again...
so someone finds my mother/sister/daughter attractive. Alright. I respect all women, doesn't mean I can't see them as the beautiful creatures they are. A naked body is wonderful and not dirty. And if my mother/sister/daughter wanted to do porn, that is their choice, not mine. I may not necessarily like them doing it, but it's their choice.

I dont recall ever looking at all women naked, so that means I dont' disrespect them all by looking at porn apparently. Only the ones who are willing to show off their bodies to the camera. I think if they're willing to do it, who am I to say they're wrong?


And I think talking about masturbation and contraceptives are fairly on topic in a thread about porn, so I'm just curious why contraceptives and masturbation are so wrong :dozey:

It is possible for you to respect one woman. But I am talking about what a woman is...what she deserves. Ask you mom or your sister or your girlfriend if they think pornography gives women the respect they deserve. See if they would like to have men watch them...masterbate over them. Because if pornography does give women respect then your mom, sister, grandma, girlfriend, and every girl you know should say yes. Tell me what they say...

With Charity,

Andy

ET warrior...let's finnish talking about pornography first.

ET warrior...you don't care who you look at on-line, and even if you did you still don't know her...so you are basically saying you don't care about who you are looking at, you don't care about who they are, you don't care about them as a person...All you care about is what you see. Appearance only...thus resulting in disrespect.

With Charity,

andy

I think if they're willing to do it, who am I to say they're wrong?

So if someone is willing to kill someone..."Who am I to say they are wrong?"

So if someone is willing to steal something..."Who I am to say they are wrong?"

So if someone is willing to rape someone..."Who am I to say they are wrong?"

You are a man...You should tell people they are wrong even when they don't want you to...You should stand up for women even when they don't think they deserve it, or when they don't want it.

With Charity,

Andy

if the woman CHOSE the profession then why the hell would she complain and call it wrong? That's stupid. That's like someone becoming a waiter and complaining that they're being objectified as a food service drone and not as a human.

Insanesith...

With all respect that is a poor arguement...I am saying that that fact that you are looking at it is wrong...Because there are women out there willing to pose for pictures doesn't justify their acts. It is assinine to say that because the women do it they are wanting respect. There are many many many women who think they don't deserve respect because of the way they have been treated. Just because a woman says she doesn't want respect doesn't mean you shouldn't give her respect...Be a man...stand up for the dignity of women.

With charity,

Andy

Exactly, all those other things you listed were HURTING other people. Porn hurts nobody. (unless it's bondage style, then somepeople get hurt :eek: )


And since you've never watched porn Voluntas, I'm going to tell you that there are, in fact, naked men in there aswell. So porn objectifies men just as much as women. :dozey:

ETwarrior...

You assume a lot...For 3 years I was addicted to pornography...I know what it does. Porn is a "gate-way drug" (so to say)...It not only hurts the individual...but it is one of the leading factors in rape...And I ask you how can rape not hurt someone?

In regards to your ...So porn objectifies men just as much as women. comment...I was mainly talking about women, because you are a male.

With Charity,

andy

Man oh man, if the women that complain so much about never getting the respect they deserve, than they either
A: are hanging around the wrong people that judge all women as tools.

or

B: Don't deserve any.

I believe anyone can strive to get respect if they work hard, so what if someone thinks your a tool at first, first impressions suck. Prove that you aren't a tool.

Tell the wife who is getting beat by her husband to just stand up for herself. Tell the girlfriend who is getting used to just stand up for herself. Tell the single mother of 6 to stand up for herself.

I don't know about you but it seems pretty difficult to:Prove that you aren't a tool. when you think you are.

And in regards to your: "B: Don't deserve it." Who are you to say who does and doesn't deserve human respect? The women who you say fit under option B. ("Don't Deserve it")...They deserve it the most!

With Charity,

Andy

Originally posted by Fiat_Voluntas_T
ETwarrior...

You assume a lot...For 3 years I was addicted to pornography...I know what it does. Porn is a "gate-way drug" (so to say)...It not only hurts the individual...but it is one of the leading factors in rape...And I ask you how can rape not hurt someone?

In regards to your ... comment...I was mainly talking about women, because you are a male.

With Charity,

andy you assume a lot too, how do you know I am not a woman?
I am a man, but that's beside the point.

I am a man, and I do respect woman, that doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to look at porn.

also, show me some proof porn is a leading attribute to rape. I never said women pose for porn for respect, I'm saing they chose that profression because they wanted to do porn.
I have yet to meet a woman that says she doesn't want respect.

Originally posted by Fiat_Voluntas_T
Tell the wife who is getting beat by her husband to just stand up for herself. Tell the girlfriend who is getting used to just stand up for herself. Tell the single mother of 6 to stand up for herself.

that crap has absolutely nothing to do with pornography, it's about psychological issues, and rage problems. People with a 50's ideology.

Porn attributes to Rape and child seexual abuse:

http://www.prtc.net/~morality/porno/research.htm)

http://www.dianarussell.com/porntoc.html)


http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/ds/cb991/page3.html)

http://www.afajournal.org/cover/pornography_4.asp)



http://www.bauercom.net/pornography_whats_the_big_deal.htm)


You will like this one... "Dr. Dolf Zimmerman and Dr. Jennings Bryant showed that continued exposure to pornography had serious adverse effects on beliefs about sexuality in general and on attitudes toward women in particular. They also found that pornography desensitizes people to rape as a criminal offense.2 "
http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0388_Effects_of_Pornograp.html)


I would love to stay on here longer tonight and talk, but I am going to watch a movie with my family.

With Charity,

Andy

that crap has absolutely nothing to do with pornography, it's about psychological issues, and rage problems. People with a 50's ideology.

It doesn't have to do with pornography...but it has everything to do with respect...I was showing the fact that not all women can stand up for them selves...(Like what Virtuosis said) I was showing situations where women can't stand up for themselves.

With Charity,

andy

It's my firm belief that there is always a solution to the problem. Of course a domestic abuse situation would not be solved by standing up to the abuser, but there are other ways to get out of it. I respect women who can think for themselves and find a way to go to a healthier situation. Those are the women who deserve respect, and although it is hard to deal with domestic abuse, I do not frown on the ones that seem like they are stuck in the situation. I would hope to give them courage and faith that they can get out of this situation and be more deserving of anyones respect..

It depends entirely on your view of what "evil" is. If you have no morals, are not a Christian, and do not believe in "evil" than for you, pronography cannot be evil.

Let's expose though for a moment a deeper topic: moral value. Where does it come from and why does it exist?

Example: Many of you say that pornography is acceptable because it does not harm another person. You're acceptance that harming another person as being "wrong" shows a positive moral value. After all if I said "I'm going to shoot up a playground and murder all of the children at recess" alarm bells would immeadiately go off in your head.

The very existance of that positive moral value proves that God exists (see C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity or G.K. Chestertons The Eternal Man). If we are all evolved throughout time from matter that has existed in a constant loop, then there would be no need for moral value. After all - all we are is matter, randomly put together. We can be morally stagnate, and use matter in such a way that it would cause death.

So if God does not exist, there is nothing wrong with murder. Some may thing "murder" is something we, as matter should have not done, but it really doesn't "matter". :D

If God does exist, and their are morals, then we must ask, how do we decide what is "evil" and what is "good".

Thus enter religion.

And I'll stop there for now.

You have some very interesting points there.

Although morals are something that is needed in society. Morals established by religion are for the people that want order in their life through a book, that tells them what they can and cannot do to enter heaven (which could as well be fiction). You will have morals as an atheist, I do. You set your morals as a person and not as a religion sets them on you. I believe that my morals are my morals and your morals are your morals so be it.

Great Point Brother Adam..

Ok these were my first thoughts..

If women are saying porography is “degrading themselves” why do so many strive for attention and scantly clad themselves? Do men respect those women more than the women who cover them selves up, no, they might feel a greater attraction to the women in the short shorts but they are not respecting or disrespecting either, they are acting on their attractions. In my opinion the attraction between men and women is the source of what some people refer to as disrespect and women degrading themselves. A man is attracted to the female body it’s as simple as that, is there anything wrong with viewing it, no. Respect doesn’t exist in attraction for a woman’s body and pornography it exists in the person. I can respect someone, that does not mean I’m attracted to them, as you respect your girlfriend for who she is not her body and vice versa (you respect her body not for her mind). What I see a woman saying that other women degrade themselves by showing herself in its natural form is that woman acting on how she was raised being taught that was wrong, shes saying she wouldn’t do that, so it’s automatically wrong in her eyes. A woman in the business of pornography is willing to show her body and that is her decision. I adore women both for their mind and their body but suppose there is no emotional pull between men and women and only a physical attraction, where is respect and disrespect? And to even go so far as saying there is no attraction emotionally or physically between male and female, sure people would get what they see as respect but what would they lose? They would lose what they live for, and life would be pointless. In closing I guess what I’m trying to tell you all, is respect is how you view it and in some cases the word “respect” does not apply, I know many of you will not agree with me and that is your decision.

Ok that’s my 2cents.


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Lemme guess, you are the guys that make Christian clans and spread the word of God and read from the bible while you are "slaying the monsters"?

Btw:

Porn > God

Ive looked at porn before. I was addicted for a while, like every guy is at smetime in their lives. That lasted for a week. But then I rarely ever look at porn, cuz it doesnt interest me anymore...

unless Im in it. heh. :p ;) :D

Originally posted by ZBomber
Btw:

Porn > God
You said it!

Pornography is human beings at their most primal of moments. That is what is so arrousing and interesting. It is pure. Nothing else matters when you are having sex.

Newsflash to the religious, SEX FEELS GOOD. That's right, it's not just for babies anymore! But seriously, sex is just sex. Yes there are diseases. Yes you can get pregnant. That is sex.

This question lies in morality. It makes me laugh when people think if you're an atheist you have no morals. It is a horrible misconception. I'm a better Christian than a lot of the ones I know. Let me just clear this up:

Pornography does intend to portray love. Nor lust as love. It simply portrays SEX. Noone watches a porn for the love story- there is none. If there was, more females would watch them than men ;)

It takes intelligence to decipher reality from fiction. Of course that's not how real life is. An intelligent person would know that it's not a lesson in love. An intelligent person would know of course that's not how you are supposed to treat a girl. I guess a real lesson would be not to let stupid people watch them.

I treat my girlfriend with the dignity and respect I would give myself. I never watch porn anymore, there is no need, and I just find it pretty stupid now, to tell you the truth. They really served me more as a sexual education video. (they never teach you this stuff in middle school)...

If anything, pornography degrades male self confidence, and lowers their self esteem("size" issues, making your mate have an orgasm, not "lasting" long enough), just as much as it objectifies women. But certain things are undeniable. There are certain traits that are attractive to men and women, and that won't change. That's why you don't see fat or ugly people in them, it is a fantasy. What do you guys think video games are? What are we posting on again? Why aren't you complaining about how evil it is to shoot people?

Originally posted by DieStarWarsGeek
Newsflash to the religious, SEX FEELS GOOD. That's right, it's not just for babies anymore!

:rofl:

We should start a campaign for pre-marital sex. The slogan will be

Sex: not JUST for babies anymore :thumbsup:


:D

Originally posted by ET Warrior
:rofl:

We should start a campaign for pre-marital sex. The slogan will be

Sex: not JUST for babies anymore :thumbsup:


:D F*CK YEAH!

(XD @ pun)

About the porn - women - disrespect - whatchwhilehavingsex thing.

There are people (men AND women) who like to be watched while having sex. And i don't think anyone who doesn't like it to be filmed while having sex will do porn movies.

And DieStarWarsGeek:
If anything, pornography degrades male self confidence, and lowers their self esteem ("size" issues, making your mate have an orgasm, not "lasting" long enough)
Very good point. (It's not a must, though.)

Sorry to dump this in here, but there are a few people who seem to genuinely want to debate this.

Thanks in advance Jais + SkinWalker. I've got another from SWBF.net I'll put in here for the same reason.

Pornography is of the dark side as Lust and greed are apart of the Dark Side.

In your heart when at women you look lustfully, adultery do you commit.

Use her you do, as means to your own selfish end.

Because the Human Person has a life force more unique and dignified then any other part of creation, never must they be used as a means.

Humans are more then objects.

Good is sex...

...but only if it is done out of Love.

If you do not believe this, that is why you fail...

to truly love.

Love is about more then pleasure.

Sex is about more then pleasure.

Pleasure is a big part of it, but the center it is not.

The sexual urge exists because we have an urge to give ourselves.

To give our selves requires totally means we must give all out heart mind and soul.

Nothing must we hold back.

A life long commitment is something that we must not hold back.

Co-Creatorship in Children we must not hold back.

Love must be given freely

and received fully.

Free, Total, Fruitful and Faithful is true love.

Is the way to life.

The sacrifice of Obi-won was one of Love (Close it was to Love between Husband and Wife, though it was not )

Let's list up all the undeniable facts:


1. Masturbating feels good.

2. Masturbating while watching porn feels even better.

3. Porn does not actually harm anyone.

4. Masturbation is healthy.


So, the obvious question is, where lies the problem?


Allow me to respond to the most common anti-pornography arguments:

A: Pornography is disrespectful for women and makes them objects.
R: Not actually. Pornography is in fact merely a media designed to give sexual pleasure to its viewers. I can assure you that practically all males are capable of distinguishing between pornography and real life. Playing violent PC games won't make you a mass murderer, just as watching porn won't make you think of women as objects.

A: Pornoghraphy increases the chance of people rape.
R: No. False. This only proves a lack of knowledge about raping in general.

I'll divide rapes into two groups: Coffee rapes ("First he raped me, then we had coffee, then he raped me again") and bush rapes (you know, the ones you hear about). The coffee rapes are often due to alcoholics reducing judgement, it might be because of failure to communicate, or it might be disrespect for women (which I have just explained has nothing to do with pornography). Bush rapes are, conturary to the myth, not about the sexual pleasure. It is about the feeling of dominance and superiority, and the forced sexual act is only a way of stating this. Nothing to do with pornography.

A: Sex is a sacred act and should only be done between two people who love each other and wants to spend their lives together.
R: Dude, come off it. As stated before, sex feels good. When people want to have sex and what they associate with it is their own case, but I'm not going to be some moralist about it and tell them it's wrong to do what feels good for them.

'Sides. The testicles produce sperm cells constantly. Obviously, it has to get out some time. In other words, if you don't masturbate and don't have an active sex life, you'll have the famous wet dreams. Which is also a sexual act. It's just like masturbation except that it's on an unconcious level. So anyone using that argument is in fact a hypocrite.

A: Porn is an abomination to GOD!
R: Whatever

The thing is, when your looking at the nude woman, you are using her! That naked woman is just there for you to look at, and use mentally. Tell me right now that you don't appreciate that woman for more than her body!

Crap.. my whole life has been altered due to porn! It might not injure people physically, but it does mentally. Yes, it does portray a false image of sex. Yeah, it does ruin lives (mine... kind of) My whole family was split apart because of it. And I guarantee, several thousands of families have been ripped to peices because it feels good, or its not just for babies anymore!

Think about the babies that lives are ruined because the parents had sex too early. The father leaves and the kid grows up with his/her mom only 14 years older than him/her.

I remember when I was.. maybe 2 or 3 years old, wandering around my house looking at stuff. I looked under one of my parents peices of furniture, and one of my dad's porn tapes was there. I still remember the pictures on the back of the box: A woman licking a man's penis.

Porn burns into your brain for a lifetime. That was... like 12-13-14 years ago, and I still remember it. I always wondered what was going on, why would someone do that? Why would someone want to do that?

And yeah, it might amaze you, but some women are in porn, but don't want to be. Theres this thing called money, without it you can't buy food or pay bills. Without food/water you DIE! Some women are so desperate and need money fast they will do what they have to do to get it, and the porn dudes pay up front, the woman just poses and gets paid, probably within the hour. I believe there are other ways to get money, but those people... took the easy way out?

Did you know in some countries the main source of income is prostitution? Yeah, maybe 80% of ALL the girls born in certain countries are doomed to become prostitutes, to sell there bodies to men, so the guy can have a little pleasure.

What does your pleasure cost? Its not right for you to enjoy something at someone elses expense! Simple as that, porn or not porn. Even the constitution states that your rights end when it violates someone else's rights.

What about the porn "producers" who think they can get extra money by filming children? You and I both know children (whether they want to be or not) shouldnt be filmed (like that)

There is a huge difference between having sex, and watching sex. In fact, many people argue that christianity is for the weak, the people who have nothing to believe in, or just mentally/physically weak. You know what I think? Porn is for the men who cant control there own sexual desires. A crutch for the sexually weak minded. (No offense, of course)

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This was kind of a thought out rant... so forgive any spelling errors/typing mistakes I made.


PS: Where did all the christians come from all of a sudden? Where have half of you been for the past... 2 years?! Check out the other threads guys!

Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
The thing is, when your looking at the nude woman, you are using her! That naked woman is just there for you to look at, and use mentally.
I look at a naked woman everyday. Heck and i am far far away from using her mentally. But if you are saying considering a body beautiful and being attracted by it is using it mentally, OK, then i am guilty. But A) that's basically why nature made made our bodies like they are, just for the reason of reproduction, B) tell me what's wrong with being attracted to a woman, especially if it's my partner and C) don't you think woman do look at man the 'same way'?
And she is not only there for me to look at her (naked). It just happens since we live together.

And yes i still remember my first porn movie too (i was like 13), mainly also because i found it ... "interesting". But i don't think i was wonder why somebody would want to do 'that'. I totally knew why, mainly becaus ei already "knew everything" about human sexuality.

And not that it made me a 'pervert'. I had my first sex with 16 and stayed together with that girl for 6 years and am still together with the girl after her, for 5 five years now. AN dyou know what? Sometimes we whatch porn together, because she wants it, not because of me. You know why she wants that? For the same reasons you accused us men of. Nice bodies and openly performed sex.

Our own genetics cause us to "use women" mentally all the time. Men think about sex all the time, do you think we imagine it without a woman attached? Even if we aren't currently looking at a naked woman, we're often thinking about them, and if we see a really beautiful woman on the streets it's natural to imagine what she'd look like naked.

There's nothing disrespectful about it, she should be flattered by it, because it's just nature at work.

why is the whole argument against straight porn?
what about male gay porn actors? what about male gay for pay actors? By people looking at them are they being objectified? or can only women be viewed as objects?